RAGE of the RHINOX - Ogre Kingdoms vs. Grand Cathay - Total War Warhammer 3

[@canadiancruelty]

I'm incredibly excited to see battles like this when the 3 games get merged. Watching stonehorns break through waves of skeleton chaff, and watching nurglite forces melt Karl Franz's face.

[@lutherabel2618]

"This does not have my consent!" -Karl Franz

[@lucasburghardt7955]

You can already do those two in normal map of warhammer 3

[@deadlysin8946]

The games are being merged? that would be epic.

[@lucasburghardt7955]

@@deadlysin8946 the games are going to get merged all 3 games in one gigantic map.

[@deadlysin8946]

@@lucasburghardt7955 when!!! i love my WH 2 races but love the new orcs. ETA?

[@pjadtron9415]

I've waited so long for my fat lads to hit the big screen, now the time has come. Many years of Warhammer 3 to come ladies and gentlemen. So much content...

[@milkandcookiesTW]

[@brianwalker7316]

"Find a new mineral you uninspired weiners!" The little joking snipes like these are one of the many reasons I love this channel 😆

[@atomato5378]

Uphill battle against ogres is an interesting strategy lol

[@darthplagueis13]

Welp, the Cathay player shoulda brought artillery because if you don't have a way to pressure the ogres, they are not going to easily give up their advantage.

[@josephdoria5237]

It’s definitely up there with getting involved in a land war in Asia

[@handleonafridge6828]

@@josephdoria5237 quite possibly as bad as going against a Sicilian when death is on the line

[@larrybarba7757]

As someone who plays Ogres on the table for a very long time... This moment was so satisfying

[@ripchuchin]

I just made my first ogre mawtribe army :) lots of. Mourn fang, stone horns beastriders xD 😆

[@ed8212]

14:18 Im actually glad they took off that easily, having them suffer pegasus knight syndrome would be the way worse outcome

[@redsalamander9999]

Judging from this battle, Ogres seem to be one of those factions that look at a glance like a one trick pony, but have enough options to throw their opponents a curveball every now and again. Interested to see how strategies evolve around countering the varied ways to play the ogres.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

They look definetly better than nurgle in that regard. The only thing they have is HP, which is absurdly high, but that's it.

[@lotusmoon8156]

Just want to say a massive thank you for casting land battles, personally much more fun for me to watch as there is actual benefits for getting your opponents out of potion etc knowing new untis will not come into play. Please keep them coming

[@lukaima5147]

Me too a fan of Land Battles, played 1 Dominion and then ran back to TWWH2 as there's no ladder for that in 3. Shame on CA.

[@lazygrouse]

The Rhinox also had a ton of health leftover so they could have accrued a lot more value if the match had gone longer. Awesome battle! The Ogre Kingdom looks like so much fun to play!

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

13:27 look carefully at the mounted ogre on very bottom

[@Farquaad3rd]

Flexing his corpulent yet nimble body

[@p47plane]

BEEEYBLAAADE

[@mylesdrake2949]

Can I ask a favor? When all the old world factions come can we have a Bretonnia vs Cathay where both builds focus on peasant? We need to put to the test who has the best peasants.

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

Just a quick thing I thought of. With the new transformation mechanic for the Cathayan dragons, Transformation of Kadon should be changed to allow the spell caster to actually turn into a Manticore. However, the longer you remain in that state drains your winds of magic in addition to the actual casting cost. Also speaking of Dragons, obligatory complaint about no breath attacks. Sad.

[@D4TTL]

I wasn't sure which campaign would be my first, but after this glorious video, it has to be Ogres my Lord! Thanks Indy :D

[@Mavyn316]

My problem is every time I see a video for a faction I think "That settles it, I'm going to play as these guys now" I legitimately want to play as every chaos faction, Kislev, Ogres... The only one I've ruled out is Cathay just because it isn't my personal aesthetic but literally everything else is up for grabs lol

[@D4TTL]

@@Mavyn316 same for me! It's been changing daily xD Cathay is last on my list as well!

[@Mavyn316]

@@D4TTL I didn't think I'd care about Slaanesh Then the ban dropped hahahaha They're so freaking fast...

[@D4TTL]

@@Mavyn316 yeah true! Slaanesh looks dope, I'm not sure I can handle their quick squishyness though, I'm more of a khorne/ogres guy! 😁

[@Mavyn316]

@@D4TTL True, honestly I want to give Nurgle a shot too since it should be plenty tanky, just worry about getting wrecked by missiles due to speed Rotflies look incredible though

[@ThijsSchrijnemakers]

Orge kingdoms lookin' good. Those shots of the Stonehorns crushing manflesh was just *chefs kiss* And hey, Gnoblars being touted as the worst of the worst etc, just a tarpit. They got 27, 26, 23 and 26 kills this game. They are the cutest

[@joshuacollins9346]

At the beginning it seemed like a mistake to go full cav and not bring iron blasters or lead belchers, but it really seemed to pay off. Super fun battle to watch.

[@uriclothbrok2682]

This was a lot of fun to watch! All those beautiful charges. You love to see it

[@HomerJSimpson999]

again a classic battles. this is my new fav channel

[@codygantz377]

I've NEVER been able to get into warhammer MP. I really enjoyed how you described the battle and tactics, glad i found this vid! Might have to give it a try after watching a few more haha

[@Admiralkirk95]

Was super afraid ogres would just get counterpicked into oblivion. Just spam anti large and projectiles. but the devs thought of that. Ogre charge helps to defeat charge defense and plenty of missile resistance.

[@realwolfingen8896]

but that kinda makes me afraid; how do you defeat this orge army then? any infantry gets just stomped, missle units cant be defended from ogre cav, and not every faction has mountrous units. like the only counter i can imagine is Large anti-large units.

[@Admiralkirk95]

@@realwolfingen8896 true enough. Something to be worried about.

[@ItachiUchiha-yc9nv]

@@realwolfingen8896 horse archers and mobility

[@Chocolouf]

@@ItachiUchiha-yc9nv Not all mobile archers have armour-piercing damage, Bretonnia will have a hard time.

[@ItachiUchiha-yc9nv]

@@Chocolouf y true

[@camille_leon]

Those halberds getting crushed around 7:45 was glorious.

[@Gelwain]

Ever since we got a taste of Mournefang cav in the second game, I've been waiting for this day. GLORIOUS MONSTROUS CAV!

[@paulschlacter4181]

That was pretty rough to watch with Cathay's positioning lol

[@DojacGame]

Your intro narrations are so good! I live for these videos

[@Guaguadeath]

When you did the first close up of the ogres shields on their stomachs I almost thought they had giant pot leaves painted on there lol 😂

[@leeroyjenkins6103]

Strange Cathay build they'll have to retry with jade halberds and lanterns "not skyjunks" and maybe two ironhails to help. LoS isn't an issue vs giant ogre units and the lanterns can focus down big things safely. I don't think I've seen any Cathay players use lanterns in any coverage yet. All the cav could've wiped out a leadbelcher I guess.

[@liamcullen3035]

I think the Jade Lancers were really good as a roadblock to stop the ogre cavalry. Lanterns would have worked great, but they'd also be sitting ducks against any leadbelchers. Risky!

[@denharte8670]

Thought this was Nurgle gameplay the way I got the sickness for that high-impact thickness.

[@zebjensen4251]

ive been waiting for months to see this and it's finally here the ogre kingdomes are finally here to paly!!

[@liamcullen3035]

I noticed in some N'Kari gameplay that Slaanesh's army ability says it charges up "when dealing damage to enemies with negative leadership values", meaning units don't need to rout, they just need negative leadership for Slaanesh to build its battle resource. Is it the same for ogres'? Or does the ogre abilty specifically say it charges when "killing routing units"? In which case, ouch, ogres are defs gonna be sad vs. undead and daemons. Cool battle! And I absolutely love the colour scheme of the Mountaineaters! Very nice!

[@jackjones7062]

“Mammoth sized” yeah that’s an understatement

[@twitchtveldenkoo2916]

I think the stonehorn is the coolest unit in all of the warhammer games. It's just a fucking huge pokemon. I love it

[@andyw.1164]

Next time pixelated Apollo whines that positioning doesn't matter in Warhammer I want him to watch that stone horn cavalry synchronized charge, pure beauty

[@Rohtix]

Indy, you didn't tell me that the ogres can do THIS kind of wild stuff. Look at the guy at the bottom at 13:27 !

[@thatguy1823]

good stuff excited to see more warhammer 3 content

[@samueljackson605]

@milkandcookiesTW is there a benefit of using the Stonehorn over the Hunter on a SH mount or is this a case like the corpse cart vs necromancer from VC?

[@AnarexicSumo]

Per Legend's review it's better to do a Hunter on Stonehorn. It costs more and uses a hero slot but it's better than a vanilla Stonehorn. The Harpoon Launcher varient is a bit different.

[@samueljackson605]

@@AnarexicSumo thought so. Prob use just a SH for cost efficiency but little else. If you can have a guy throwing harpoons, have do so lol

[@Michael-ib6ky]

2:06 preach sis, I feel like a very solid unit after I get my avocado mask too 🥑💅

[@skyehoeflich55]

I really wanna see Kislev, Cathay and the Empire all fighting in unison against a variegated horde of daemons

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

Bretonnia sad moment.

[@mithyc2948]

I keep hearing the kool-aid man saying "Oh Yeah!" every time the stone horn charges into infantry.

[@tntninja2878]

Imagine how nice those charges will be once we get Blood & Gore DLC

[@Bayonet1809]

If those Gorgers had just gotten a spa treatment I would hate to see one that hasn't.

[@thibautl334]

some good skaven memories with random units having amazing armor while wearing very little

[@insultinsultan705]

Still crazy that what has been nought but speculation and hope for years is here, and soon at that. Pinching myself!

[@paul-antoineleboeuf6357]

Love those land battles !!

[@danny_decheeto8300]

And this comes out just after I start making an ogre butcher for whfrp 4th edition. "Chef" is gonna be fun

[@mankdemelord6974]

I’m watching this video as I eat… just as the Ogres intended.

[@TCStink3]

A Stonehorn really is just a Terrakion, but *B E E G*

[@rellek4053]

100 armor seems a bit much for a mostly naked guy on a bull to me

[@chesterm2883]

another great classic land battle

[@KingWing26]

All these large units in the game... *smiles in Ungrim waiting for Mortal Empires to paint the map red with bonus anti large*

[@EisenKreutzer]

Ogre Kingdoms are an entire faction of minotaur doomstack charge hilarity. Me likey.

[@ttango22]

Yo was that a Nas “Ether” reference? Lmao love that

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

What was Cathay's plan? They wandered the best blocking infantry off into nowhere, leaving the Crossbows that were meant to do the killing barely supported and on Skirmish mode. Bonus versus Large doesn't meant immortal versus large.

[@austinmcwethy5373]

13:27 the ogre on the bottom did a glitchy 260 lmao

[@jabool5605]

Idk how interesting the ogre campaign mechanics are but this video really has me considering ogres for my first playthrough.

[@zernst2798]

Putting down a camp wherever you want and leading incursions from there seems pretty neat. Definitely not as flashy as the chaos factions though

[@gigiblorgo6884]

At 13:30 did the ogre juste spinned ? x)

[@brucerobinson5405]

I have a new favorite Video!

[@RawCauliflower]

I think Ironfist ogres could be quite good against light short-ranged factions like Norsca, Warriors of Chaos and Lizardmen. Edit: Also I think Nurgle is the worst faction and not the ogres, since they have very inflexible options. Nurgle does have some good qualities in domination, but are god awful in normal battles (as far as I can see).

[@MarvelOfRain]

He said "if the Ogres would be the weakest, they would be still fun to watch". But currently they are fun to watch and far from being the weakest. With the OP cannons they have I think they are tied for the best faction IMO.

[@zimtwiers9726]

@@MarvelOfRain They indeed are not weak at all. I dud not expect ogres to be a race thst could reasonably kite around

[@jordannguyen295]

A NAS REFERENCE? YO LOL so good

[@pjadtron9415]

Was that Cathay player drunk? He just let his archers get killed for free lmao.

[@wyverngaming3468]

The pathing on that map was honestly rage inducing, for some reason my crossbows decided that the shortest path back to a low ground point behind them was running a lap around the cliffs. Good times.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

no lol I explained it. Skirmish mode is weird and seems to be off or on depending on the unit, and I swear sometimes it changes between battles. So if you accidentally leave skirmish mode on by not checking through every single unit, it can screw you. His Crossbows had Skirmish mode on by accident, and then they pathed weird into a bad spot.

[@pjadtron9415]

I know but it was painful to watch happen.

[@swat6591]

When this game drops you need to do a big 3v3 good vs evil video again.

[@pickleinspector5948]

Halbreds are still useless against large units I see. They should slow down cav units like sfo does with the cavalry bane trait

[@wintersking4290]

I keep hearing llama riders and my brain can't take it lol

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@tincano-beans2114]

"Find a new mineral you uninspired weiners" wowee what did jade do to you?

[@shane544]

Man i love the 3k soundtrack

[@1987retroman]

Why are minimally armored orges on top of naked rhinos 130 armor?

[@ryanburke6354]

How does a stonehorn even eat without assistance? It seems like it's designer could've thrown it a bone and given it a trunk like an elephant so it wouldn't have to dig trenches trying to get the food in it's stupid face.

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

Hey Indy, you gonna drop a review for the game? I’ve seen some concerning stuff on the bugs and AI for sieges, even some shade thrown at the Daemon rosters feeling incomplete (although that one is a “no shit Sherlock” complaint lol), so was interested if you had similar issues. The bugs have been noted in previous vids, but was still curious.

[@thegiantcrow7416]

Unrelated question, Which Faction do you think is gonna get the first DLC? Or rather the faction that needs DLC first?

[@aqure9]

Is there a Cathy build that could handle Ogre cav rush?

[@nath28king]

im really curious, can you Missile Mirror the Ironblasters??

[@Singleshot316]

I remember a video showing what missile mirror can return…Zerkovich did a video on it two weeks ago.

[@AnarexicSumo]

Yes, you can missile mirror anything with a ranged attack stat on their card.

[@wyverngaming3468]

Another fun one! I am still disappointed I couldn't stalk my longmas!

[@milkandcookiesTW]

feelsbadman!

[@dragoons292010]

So are you gonna post the review?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

not doing a review, generally dont for Total War games. im going to be playing it, you'll hear my opinions and thoughts in every video i put out

[@Deailon]

What a spectacle!

[@curtisthornsberry4236]

Glad to see rynox are as crazy as they where in tabletop....wander if I can route/rundown a deathstar of them with a dwarf lord.

[@Chocolouf]

Were they as heavily armoured as they are in this game?

[@sigmundholt2313]

@@Chocolouf rynox where annoyingly armored. My warriors couldnt do much and it took my lord to crack them. The lord had an armor save that would make a space marine terminator blush. Rerollable 2+, with a 4+ invulnerable save, with a 4+regeneration save. Attacks just bounced off him while he swung his great axe

[@flashashwatts]

Hey I’m a casual fan but I wants to ask about the survival ability of all units it seems like charges for example did more damage in totalwar war hammer 2, am I wrong?

[@lotusmoon8156]

it does seem that way, but also remember that war2 used large unti size and war 3 uses ultra and only difference is model count and HP

[@lachlanmckinnie1406]

Jade is green. Warpstone is green.... A Cathayans just hairless Skaven with extra lizards?

[@klavicus2276]

Isn’t there a mod which makes chaos horses bigger? I so hope there will be a mod which makes rhinoxes a bit bigger cause even they are big Ogres look a tad too big on them

[@zaxan7194]

how does people have in the videos different banner colors? is a customizable thing now?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

yeah you can change your banner color when you pick your faction

[@zaxan7194]

@@milkandcookiesTW thanks! it´s truly a good feature, even if we don´t get army painter!

[@willfeen]

Wait wait wait.. did they just patch the Gorger unit size from 8 to 16?? I thought they were already very powerful as is..!

[@jdurthu4304]

Is it me or did the stonehorn charge against those pesants next to no damage? It looks like there are a lot of charge isues in the game. Flying units, chariots SEMs. But for sure it is to be expected, there will have to be some patching like with every game, that is mothing to worry about ;)

[@Necromacer67]

Woohoo an Indy video!

[@81llzvn]

Man, Ogres are fun to watch!

[@Epig420]

Ogres look super fun to play

[@alexsitaras6508]

My favorite monstrous cav units were stags and hippos. i wonder if that will change in game 3.....

[@alexocana1865]

13:27 360 mournfang

[@anyname4306]

Who is stronger: Skullcrushers or the Rhino Cav Crushers?

[@woot12598]

From my limited experience with dealing with Ogres I can still confidently say that the Stonehorn is fucking insane both in PvP and in the campaign. Outrageously tanky, heavy as fuck, and an attack pattern that rivals that of Settras pet cat. Is definitely not fun to run into a Gresious Goldtooth on the warpath with a stack of them at his back and an eye on your capital.

[@johnsinth8261]

Blessed battle satisfying

[@TheFabbielicious]

Charging looks so unsatisfying. Units are sent flying halfway across the map and take basically zero damage

[@justonhelf7513]

Are rhinox suppose to be the same size as Mournfang?

[@the_dropbear4392]

The ones pulling the Ironblasters and Scraplaunchers yes because they are young rhinox. Rhinox riders should be bigger.

[@jeybiijoba8530]

Hey Indypride, I had the occasion to test the game for press, but I witnessed some crazy performances issues. How is your feeling regarding this side of your experience ? (can't go over 40fps on the campaign map on a 5700xt)

[@milkandcookiesTW]

where on the campaign map were you having issues? Kislev and Glut Port area in the middle near Nurgle's start seems to run poorly, like 48-55 fps for me. rest of the map seems much smoother. Overall performance has been fine, barring a few Cathay battle maps in custom/mp that run very poorly

[@jeybiijoba8530]

@@milkandcookiesTW Yeah Kislev area and Prologue, not really better elsewhere though. Averaging 40fps in 1440p on campaign map, while battles are relatively smooth. Not pushing settings beyond medium also. I found the performance drop kind of harsh in regard to TWH2. But our build is far from being finished so yeah it's worrisome but there is hope.

[@jeybiijoba8530]

@@milkandcookiesTW Also I'm waiting to be able to manage display settings correctly before mentioning it in my review

[@vordtnidhogg491]

13:28 BIG SPIN

[@Arhatu]

I wouldn't charge on a bunch of hungry ogres.

[@Crytica.]

I still feel like if you look at those Stonehorns that 70 charge is not enough. Just me?

[@darthplagueis13]

Well, they do technically have a better charge since like all Ogre units (not including Gnoblars) they ignore 50% of charge defense.

[@rubz1390]

I feel like they didn't think the faction interactions through with the army abilities. Slaanesh and Ogre Army ability is going to be completely useless versus undead factions for example.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

...So? That's quite common, which is why some match-ups are stronger and some weaker, and why you need to adjust your set-up. Bringing Anti-Large against Dwarfs is kind of useless as well, but nothing's stopping you from it.

[@rubz1390]

@@HiddenEvilStudios That's not the same thing. Before you had bad matchups,but not ones that completely negated one factions core mechanics.

[@Drabo7]

damn this map is beautiful

[@Ake-TL]

Beasclaw raiders experience

[@Schacal6666]

How good are the Ogres?

[@zimtwiers9726]

their cannons alone make them really good

[@bigopzooka]

It's weird to me that the Rhinox are not even noticeably bigger then the mournfangs. I feel they need to be about 1.5x bigger, right now they are of similar size. if you google: "I didn't realise how HUGE Mournfang Cavalry are" and see the pics of the white painted rhinox and mournfang the size difference is obvious. Edit: I think it might be that the mournfang are slightly too large really. Shrinking them a little and increasing the rhinox in size would solve it.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

i think rhinox should be bigger yeah. theyre built on the same rigging/body it looks like

[@bigopzooka]

@@milkandcookiesTW Yeah seems to be the same skeleton. Though some more googling has made me realise that the stonehorn is also quite a bit bigger than it seemed to be in tabletop (I can only extrapolate from the google images, I dont have the models), with that I am fine though ;) Just seems nice if both beasts (mournfang and rhinox) were more distinguishable thats all Its still far less jarring than those dreaded chaos ponies :(

[@mathiasH9108]

ah yes the Lawnmow riders

[@darthplagueis13]

That's one pretty map