Rahdo Runs Through►►► Elder Sign

[@NathienSK]

Cool seeing Elder Sign here in 2017. Even after years, it' my absolute favourite. It might not be the best game, I just really like it - the theme, simple one-use items, custom dice decisions you ahve to make. And it can be infinitely moddified, if someone finds it too easy or hard. With all the fancy new games flooding us, is great to see appreciation for the Old Ones.

[@dandyprime5338]

This is my favorite board game of all time. I would highly suggest and recommend getting the Unseen Forces Expansion if you haven't already. It adds nearly double the Adventure Cards, plus the Blessed/Cursed mechanic with matching dice, and the Entrance Sheet is changed to four Entrance Cards that make the game more engaging and fluid. It also takes away the ability to buy Elder Signs, which to me, makes the game WAY too easy. The Grave Consequences Expansion is also a nice little addition that adds more flare and unique concepts to the game, like Phobias and the Epic Battle Deck.

[@supanitruteerayuth2635]

I just bought Elder sign and planning to buy Unseen Forces.Should I play core set by finish all GOO and then play again with Unseen Forces expansion or play 1 time with the expansion?Which one you recommend? thanks

[@TeChNoWC7]

As a counterweight opinion, I hate this game. Too random and punishing (punishing wouldn’t be a problem if it wasn’t so random and time constrained)

[@imaloony8]

I love Elder Sign! I've got all the expansions for it! Pete is my absolute favorite. I don't know why, but he always seems to do well. His dice are just always on fire. I remember once we had a Medusa Exhibit in play, which is extremely difficult to get through, and we had already failed it several times. Pete walked in and proceeded to bonk everything into submission with his guitar with no help from items or clues.

[@kathycoleman4648]

I'm researching before making my first game purchases. This video is very helpful. Thanks!

[@wtblessing]

Just read the rules and needed this so bad to see it in action. Thank you so much! I’ve read through a lot of the comments and can’t find it. And it’s not in the Klingon subtitles: 23:48 no! The wild can only be used as 1 investigate. Same mistake at 25:05

[@kurtthecat3995]

Helpful learning video by mentioning some easily forgotten rules.

[@negate5391]

26:15 are you sure you are allowed to remove one dice after another and re-roll the remaining dice till success/no dice left? It is my understanding that you can do this only once, after the first failed attempt.

[@PauloRenato23]

he played correctly as far as I know, if you think this is wrong, please provide a link to the rules and the page where the rules say otherwise :) Cheers

[@BobLee-df4zh]

Yes, if you fail you can re-roll at the consequence of losing one die.

[@thewanderer9371]

I love this game despite it being a bit shallow and a bit long to play. I enjoy it because the dice mechanics are fun and the theme is well presented. Put a soundtrack that matches the dark theme and roll some dice!

[@eateroftheworlds]

Thanks a lot. Going to test this bad boy tomorrow.

[@ultralala9722]

just bougth omen of deep yesterday, i like this game too

[@ivarandresosorio6461]

With Jennys ability you can discard a spell, common item, unique item or clue to get both red and yellow die

[@PauloRenato23]

timestamp please

[@DrMcFly28]

We usually focus by putting the die on the small investigator chit on the adventure card. Also, it's kinda weird to watch this game without the Unseen Forces expansion. I see UF as basically "the rest of the game they forgot to put in the package". :)

[@katpilkus9143]

This one took a while to get to the table, Radho

[@MrLinguist88]

1:57 great, now you have summoned him!

[@mbalazs3544]

4:31 I think Jennie is a cute nickname and never heard of any donkey.

[@JustJohnny]

Oh man, I was so confused. I was taking away a dice each time I failed the entire card. Didn't realize if I completed a track, I got to keep them. Thanks!

[@marklerny3149]

Im confused on a particular task. So this card it's the aid card and it shows 3 magnifying glass, then 6, then 9. I only have 6 dice. And hacent unlocked other dice other than a red (I'm using unseen forcess expansion) my question is. 1. i managed to actually roll 3 magnifying glass on the first roll. What am I suppoed to do after that? Do i take the rolls I just did and it back to my dice pool? Cause how do you complete 6 die with fewer? This card is kinda confusing me 😂

[@rahdo]

sorry to say it's been several years since i've played, so i don't remember specfics. but you can go over and post the same question on boardgamegeek's forum devoted to the game: boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/100423/elder-sign/forums/66 and i'm confident you'll get answers quickly :)

[@Crilic3]

Two questions (just tried to figure out the game yesterday). According to the rules you can "choose to fail" a card before your tasks are over, it gave me reason to wander if this means we can quit a card at the end of our turn and return to the entrance. Would I be incorrect? The rule book doesn't appear to say what happens to the card if you fail (I also have trouble with instructional written manuals) Also, I see Rahdo using Jenny's "Wither" Peril. Makes me wander, does Jenny get a choice or could Rahdo take from any other player because they're obligated due to the "co-op"? What if Jenny had intended it for the "Other World" card? I'm a BG newbie teaching other BG newbies how to play so I gotta get it right.

[@rahdo]

if you fail out, the card remains and so do you. the rules say "When a player fails an Adventure card, he suffers the card’s penalties (see “Rewards and Penalties” on the next page for more details) and removes all dice from the card except those that are on a locked die icon. The player then proceeds to the Advance the Clock step of his turn"

[@w0mblemania]

"... my chances are better because I've already rolled many times". Heh! No. :-) Your attempt to invoke causality was denied by the dice gods.

[@rahdo]

NOOOOOOOOooooooo.......

[@cartoon80s90s]

"A game of Suspense and Supernatural Investigation." They forgot to add "crazy amount of RNG which ruins your games half the time." That being said, I have the Core game in android, and although I doubt I will get the expansions, I don't regret it. If you don't take it too seriously, it's a decent time killer for when you are traveling.

[@MrAwesomdary]

cartoon80s90s the expansions makes a huge difference and mitigates a bit of the RNG although not that much, but with all the expansions it's a hell of a lot better

[@cartoon80s90s]

I just watched the Gates of Arkham expansion video from Rahdo and it looks like a big improvement. Unfortunately, I only own the digital (android) version and I doubt this will make it there. If it does, I'll get it. About the physical game, I don't doubt that some expansions make it a better game, but I am also not willing to spend 50-60 euro on expansions that fix the core gameplay of a filler game like ES. I'd rather get the Arkham Horror LCG that came out recently which I played on a friend's house and enjoyed it a lot.

[@MrAwesomdary]

cartoon80s90s, the digital version is missing the bless and curse dice found in unseen forces, but I completely understand you, I'm quite fond of the card game as well :)

[@MattCrawley_Music]

I think the RNG just adds to the sense of chaos and madness that the mythos brings

[@BobLee-df4zh]

Exactly what kind of "meaningful decisions" are you expecting to make fighting ghosts and cthulu? Randomness seems pretty appropriate.

[@SuperPresko]

Can you play with one investigator?

[@rahdo]

yup

[@SuperPresko]

@@rahdo great! I want it as harder as possible, I`m going to buy it soon

[@alanrattislima]

My first game :)

[@JJ_TheGreat]

26:49 No, Richard. That is not correct. What you just said is known as the “Gambler’s Fallacy”. Unfortunately, the die has no “memory”.

[@rahdo]

so you're saying that one can't judge probabilities on a wider context like "on average, 50% of 1000 coinflips should come up tails, so expect roughly 500 tail results"?

[@JJ_TheGreat]

@@rahdo I never said that one cannot judge probabilities on a wider scale. However, that wider scale encompasses a larger and larger sample size. In this runthrough, you definitely do not have a large enough dice roll sample. In addition, things change in this particular example because each "experiment" you are doing with rolling the dice is different since you are removing a die each time you fail. It has to be the SAME repeated experiment. You can find more information and examples about the gambler's fallacy at: psychologenie.com/gamblers-fallacy-definition-examples - which is where I found the following paragraphs which I am quoting. "It arises due to the belief that past independent events influence future outcomes, and originates from the erroneous belief that a small sample is an accurate representation of a larger sample/population. This implies that the probability of an outcome would be the same in a small and large sample, hence, any deviation from the probability will be promptly corrected within that sample size. However, it is mathematically and logically impossible for a small sample to show the same characteristics of probability as a large sample size, and therefore, causes the generation of a fallacy." "This can be explained by the simple example of a coin toss. If a plain and unbiased coin is taken and flipped, each time it is flipped, there is a 50% chance of it being either heads or tails. But this leads us to assume that if the coin were flipped or tossed 10 times, it would obey the law of averages, and produce an equal ratio of heads and tails, almost as if the coin were sentient. However, what is actually observed is that, there is an unequal ratio of heads and tails. Now, if one were to flip the same coin 4,000 or 40,000 times, the ratio of heads and tails would seem equal with minor deviations. The more number of coin flips one does, the closer the ratio reaches to equality. Hence, in a large sample size, the coin shows a ratio of heads and tails in accordance to its actual probability. If one selects a small sample within this population, one may observe long continuous occurrences of heads or tails, but basing ones judgments on such subjective data leads to the formation of the fallacy/mistaken belief. This is because, despite the short-term repetition of the outcome, it does not influence future outcomes, and the probability of the outcome is independent of all the previous instances. In other words, if the coin is flipped 5 times, and all 5 times it shows heads, then if one were to assume that the sixth toss would yield a tails, one would be guilty of a fallacy." "Gambler's fallacy, also known as the fallacy of maturing chances, or the Monte Carlo fallacy, is a variation of the law of averages, where one makes the false assumption that if a certain event/effect occurs repeatedly, the opposite is bound to occur soon." "It is a mistaken belief that if one experiences a continuous series of events, the opposite of such a series is soon to occur, i.e., if one is doing well, that luck is sure to run out soon, thereby bringing about a period of bad luck or failure. This fallacy is based on the law of averages, in the way that when a certain event occurs repeatedly, an imbalance of that event is produced, and this leads us to conclude logically that events of the opposite nature must soon occur in order to restore balance. Such a fallacy is mostly observed in a casino setting, where people gamble based on their perception of chance, luck, and probability, and hence, it is called gambler's fallacy." Also, keep in mind that you could just as easily reason that because you have flipped 5 heads in a row, that you are likely to continue flipping a 6th head in a row since getting heads has been the most recent result for a long time. This rationale is flawed by the same reasoning.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Also, keep in mind that there is a difference between Independent Events, such as each roll of a die - in which the probability (of rolling a 6, for example) on one roll of the dice DOES NOT AFFECT the probability (of rolling a 6) on any further roll. Contrast this with Dependent Events, such as when you look at the probability of drawing a red suited card from a deck of 52 cards. After the 1st draw, DEPENDING ON WHICH CARD YOU DRAW, affects the future probabilities of drawing a red suited card on future (2nd, 3rd, etc.) draws - because if the first card drawn is a red suit, then there will be LESS red suited cards left in the deck; whereas if it is NOT a red card, there would still be the maximum amount of red cards left in the deck. Also, regardless of the result of the first draw, the probability for the 2nd card drawn will change since you have a limited set of 52 cards. After drawing 1, you now have 51 cards remaining in the deck, etc. In this case, yes, your above logic makes sense. However, this is different from dice where each roll is independent of each other. I just wanted to make you aware of some probability concepts - which I think you will find interesting. I hope you can use this information at some point while filming a game (whether it involves press-your-luck or some other type of choices involving randomness) :-)

[@rahdo]

@@JJ_TheGreat wow, thank you for the super detailed answer. and tbh i totally forgot the specifics of how rerolls work in ES! :)

[@JJ_TheGreat]

rahdo In the video starting @ 24:00, you started rolling 7 dice. Explained around 25:30, if you complete a line on the card you are going for, you are safe and you do not need to discard a die. However, each time you do not roll what you need, you MUST discard/throw a die out and then you re-roll the remaining dice - therefore depending on how successful/not successful you are, you could be discarding a bunch of dice. I am glad I could help! At one point, I had studied for the actuarial exams, but the math can become very advanced, especially when you are dealing with continuous probability, which involves calculus. Game probabilities - such as those involving dice and cards, which I was just explaining is discrete probability - which involves a set of countable values (as opposed to continuous probability - which involves an infinite number of values - which is why it involves calculus).

[@isabelmiteineml6198]

The Midnight Effects does not trigger at the beginning of the game.So you shouldn't have used it.

[@JohnRoberts-yh3ep]

Wrong. In the very first section on 'setup' there is an instruction on Page 5, paragraph 9. "Resolve initial Mythos card". It then tells you to draw a card and resolve it.

[@BobLee-df4zh]

​@@JohnRoberts-yh3epWrong. You resolve the ongoing effect. The midnight effect triggers at, you guessed it, midnight.

[@nikolayboykov1863]

TO THE LEFT, HE IS TO THE LEFT

[@RetroHawk]

Hey nice video i enjoyed watching this.Think il check out your other stuff and sub :) Have a nice day.RH

[@ソルグル]

Azeroth is the world of Warcraft, while the name of the deity you failed to pronounce (among the others) is Azathoth. I know it's hard...

[@rahdo]

zug zug!

[@ソルグル]

rahdo ...replied the ork to the troll.

[@MattCrawley_Music]

Lol. The way you say Nyarlathoteps name shows you're clearly not a lovecraft fan!

[@karlamaye]

"Cthulhu himself...err itself" yay for gender neutrality hahahahahaha

[@yaboosh1]

P

[@skyphantom29]

Jesus, following this commentary feels like I’m watching a 5yo explain nuclear physics

[@rahdo]

happy new year to you as well

[@MrAwesomdary]

39:14 he places the monster on another card when there is a preset spot on the otherworldly card

[@PauloRenato23]

What card is that one? I don't see it

[@MrAwesomdary]

Paulo Renato on the card: Plateau of Leng, that white boardered spot.

[@PauloRenato23]

The one that has the scroll and the green thing? but would the Monster replace the things on that spot? that box is different than the other one I seen for monster, it was white with an symbol but nothing inside it

[@MrAwesomdary]

Paulo Renato yeah any spot with a white boarder can be overridden by a monster even though it has symbols in it, in some cases this can make a card easier to complete :)

[@PauloRenato23]

cool :) Thanks