Raid Farms are NOT Nerfed in Minecraft Java Snapshot 23w13a!

[@dudieboy]

NOT Nerfed! Hope you enjoyed this quick video pertaining to the changes to Bad Omen and the raid farm mechanics in the 23w13a snapshot of Minecraft Java. Does this news give you any relief? Still looking forward to 1.21? Post below! And thanks for watching.

[@sandysometimesstreams]

i think that people were more specifically referring to big Stacking raid farms like the Chronos builds, some of Nash's designs and IanXO4's design

[@dudieboy]

@@sandysometimesstreams But many didn’t specify or acknowledge the difference. So rest assured that with these changes at least some raid farms still work

[@WILD_GAMINGYT_]

@@dudieboy stacking raid farms wont work anymore as good but me and the tech comunity will design new stacking raid farms using the same mechanic normal raid farms still works tho.. tjhey should

[@Thri11craft]

Yeah it's the AFK raid farm that was nerfed.

[@bemobf]

​@@WILD_GAMINGYT_I see they will make something with allay slavery

[@AbdullahAbdul-Al]

Its still a huge nerf to automatic raid and automatic stacking raid farms because of the 25-30 second cooldown. For context, ianxofours stacking raid farm produces 50k+ emeralds per hour, but will now produce 8k per hour - less than 1/6 of the original rates

[@49743]

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[@AbdullahAbdul-Al]

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[@49743]

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[@AbdullahAbdul-Al]

@@jacobthompson1209 "My goals are beyond your understanding"

[@ElNinoPoba]

@@jacobthompson1209 "it's not about the money Spiderman"

[@AlienXtream1]

the level of bad omen (at least as it used to work) affects the raid difficulty. basically more waves and enemies.

[@dudieboy]

Apparently the level will increase the difficulty of what happens in Trial Chambers, which I’ll probably test next

[@BigMastah79]

Levels II-V all only add one wave btw. And this is only JE.

[@NitrousDragon]

Along with difficultly (more difficult raid enemies and/or more spawn, etc), once defeating the raid you get that same level of hero buff, which results in price drops on villager trades, and the occasional free item from each job... the higher the raid number won results in a higher hero buff thus better prices, better free items and more free items. (Not sure the differences between Java and bedrock. 🤷🏻‍♂️)

[@stefanrusek2322]

I brought in one of my worlds with ianxofour 's stacking raid farm. It works, and it even drops a bad omen potion each round, but the potion and delay mean it doesn't run raids continuously. That said I love the change even if automatic raid farms don't work anymore.

[@dudieboy]

Ah yes, the continuous raid farm is what’s nerfed then? So how about we poll the community, how many have built a regular raid farm, and how many have built a continuous one? That way we find out how much of a loss it really is to the community, if it even is.

[@rcarlson8203]

@@dudieboy yeah no one was thinking what you thought my man, the stacking raid farms that output like 60k items per hour are basically a fraction of what they were now. Servers that have community raid farms to supply gun powder and redstoned are fd' with this update.

[@enderjake1616]

Aren't stactking raid farm very dependent on raid center?

[@cynda4467]

@@dudieboy It's honestly hilarious how you're basically saying that you don't care because it doesn't affect you, and that you actually like it because you don't like people being able to do things you wouldn't personally do. Do you not see how obnoxious that sounds? You even went and made a little poll of your own to try and prove this wouldn't affect many people, and it ended up proving you wrong. Pretty pathetic honestly.

[@RealPhantom85]

@@rcarlson8203Yea it's annoying, I use a raidfarm and this will F it up to no end, hopefully somebody will find a work around.

[@SuperLlama88888]

Not sure if you've seen what an actual raid farm is. Not these simple spawning platforms with drop chutes. Also, there is a 30s delay between drinking the bottle to get "Raid Omen" and starting the raid, which is a nerf to all farms, and even more so to the automatic ones that spawn all waves in a second. It is good, though, that they give the player a 30s buffer zone to drink milk after accidentally entering a village. However, I don't think it's necessary since players can already drink milk to remove the Bad Omen effect. My ideal solution would be pre-1.21 bad omen mechanics, which will mean players don't need to drink bottles, but there is a 30s buffer zone on easy, 15s on normal, and none on hard. That way, people wanting faster farms can play that way, and people wanting more ways to prevent accidents can also play how they like it.

[@outcast4087]

That is honestly a perfect solution.

[@micahjacobson8533]

I love this solution, I’d be shocked if mojang implemented it though

[@bugdestroyer1258]

pretty sure this change was to intentionally nerf raid farms

[@toyloliSpare]

I think we should be able to have automatic brewery set ups to convert the potion into splash potions. At the very least automating the reload. Then perhaps to offset a lack of stacking allow higher levels of omen to summon multiple raids at once. So like bad omen 5 would summon 40 or 50 mobs. Maybe ensure that if you beat a captain during a raid the bottle is always a higher level than the raid it came from.

[@ThylineTheGay]

yeah, everyone likes that villagers are just killed on easy, right? ideally you'd just be able to drink the raid potion multiple times and have the effect stack (therefore keeping the buffer, and avoiding the accidental triggering, just making stacking raid farms take a bit longer to ramp up), but i don't think potion effects currently allow that

[@jaideairblade]

They've been nerfed for now, but the alteration to bottles seems logical for most, if not all, players. If splash potions become available later, it simply offers more choice regarding participation in raids. Potentially, this could lead players to construct witch and pillager outpost farms more frequently following the change. We'll have to wait and see what future plans unfold. Currently, the optimal method to farm these items is by creating farms using sliced portals in both a witch hut and a pillager outpost. However, sliced portals might also be nerfed soon, eliminating the possibility of EOL farms, which I would prefer since light suppression and slicing portals are not particularly enjoyable.

[@ThylineTheGay]

the 'technical' minecraft community is so awfully out of touch lmao

[@Totolah]

Music choice is so good and refreshing. Thanks for such a good video

[@dudieboy]

Thanks! Yeah I use Epidemic sound, groovy stuff!

[@warriorrealm9864]

Now if they had a splash potion of it we could work it out to make it a continuous raid farm

[@andrewnelson2653]

Hey are you planning on making any more videos similar to your spiral staircase and wall videos. Those are so unique and interesting, I’d watch a whole series of those. Taking a simple design and expanding on it further and further.

[@dudieboy]

Yes! Working on my next one now.

[@omidnaween8106]

I've a suggestion for you guys Afk in ianxofour,cowking or at the chronos farm as much as u can bcs now its the time. get as much emerald and redstone as much as u can by afking at these farm

[@Alvis183]

if the omen bottles could be made to be splash potions then with a sorting sytem connecting to a dispenser it could be made into auto farms. Whether they make this change will dictate how raid farms work from now on

[@ibetnegrin1730]

I thought about this idea but you would need to somehow get all the ominous bottles into a chest/brewing stand and then make them into splash pots

[@Alvis183]

@@ibetnegrin1730 that can be done by having a system to sort out the potions then making an auto brewer then connecting it to a dispenser.

[@lizzarddoggo8775]

It actually is still a nerf, as you could make more complex farms that could infinitly create new raids for you. The raid now has to be started by the player, so no more infinite raid.

[@ScottE-2]

Solid video, I think I'll subscribe because your videos are probably some of the nicest I've listened to for a while that was real easy on the ears while remaining crystal clear.

[@Hunterfivestars]

they are still nerfed, there's currently no automatic version, still working on that myself, and even then, speeds are drastically slowed down I bet.

[@Bodo-zq2uu]

They still nerfed automatic raid farms and I think it's a good thing since people can't get totems that easy now, but still. how will I get tons of emeralds now to buy building blocks from villagers... It would be cool to actually make a feature that you can choose if you want to have it like the new villager trading system

[@r3apah]

Hear me out, huge auto bamboo farm, to auto crafter, makes sticks and have fletcher trades next to collection system.

[@Bodo-zq2uu]

@@r3apah It could be a solution but I am lazy asf

[@viderin6486]

Automatic raidfarms are nerfed

[@ddbenja]

Special thanks for the music, there are very few people with good musical taste :3

[@Gennitek]

super helpful and good to know for the next update for my server tgank you for sharing.

[@Joshua_mc2032]

There’s nothing to worry about if you don’t want to use stacking raid farms wich can give 900k drops an hour. if you use cronos. And if they go through with these changes will be stuck with normal shit raid farms which can barely give over 5k/h

[@Sefrieth]

I wish they made the Pillager that drops the Totem of Undying exclusive to Bad omen IV and V, Don't get me wrong I love ToU but I feel like their way to Easy to Obtain considering their Purpose, I feel like it should be a End Game type of thing, this Farm can literally be set up in 20 Minecraft days or less, But It's honestly no Big deal, the Totem System has been that way since Villager Update and i don't really mind, Its convenient especially in Hardcore mode but it's extremely easy to Obtain.

[@wx39]

it is a nerf. while raid farms (in the most general sense) do work, they broke the kinds people were actually building - automated ones. saying this is not a nerf would be like if they completely got rid of armour and kept the shield. you still have a way to protect yourself from most incoming damage, but you have to be fully proactive and diligent to do so. people weren't building raid farms for small, singular raids. they were building them to have something they could AFK at and rapidly accrue resources.

[@yooitsant]

My question is do I need a pillager farm for the potion and a pillager farm for the totems

[@dudieboy]

Yes. In fact a pillager outpost farm is a good idea 👍

[@DreadlyKnight]

This aged like milk mixed with red bull and left to sit in the sun for a few hours. It isn't automatic now, and it requires player intervention to work now. It's a nerf.

[@ThylineTheGay]

players have always been required in raid farms lol.

[@toyloliSpare]

I have a stupid question. Can you convert bad omen bottles into splash potions? Then for stacked raids you could have a machine auto splash then on you. And dude you are def not a technical player if you think this isn't nerfed. Stacked raids can have hundreds of pilligers a minute dropping on your head.

[@finidischoonhoven8689]

Let me correct the title "simple singe raid farms used by players who want a few totems arent nerfed" When the tech comunity complaints about raid farms being nerfed they mostly reffer to stacking raid farms that rely the automatic application of bad omen to start a new rraid while the old one hasnt completely ended yet in order to massively increase rates. A farm like that will dwarf the drops from the one you showed in the video (to the point where most people probably dont NEEd it), but those farms will now be either impossible or a pain in the rear. and even if they can be build, like a tnt looting concept one i have in a snapshot creative world, the cooldown from the bottle significantly slows it down. TLDR: The panic IS warranted, if we are looking at the farms people are actually worried about instead of the simple one from this vid

[@rehab8661]

How am I supposed to finish my big quartz project. Why are they making it so hard to acquire quartz?!

[@dudieboy]

You're getting quartz from a raid farm? Well if I may suggest: Piglin Bartering in the Nether is quite profitable in quartz. So is trading with Mason villagers!

[@bigfourtweny]

People will someday within the next 2 to 3 months are gonna change their pillager farm to add an auto ominous bottle dropper that will kill all the pillagers and drop bad omen automatically

[@camro-ed9vm]

yo where is the link to this farm cause i wanna build it

[@dudieboy]

I built this just recently in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqHPmmqheK-Cha8 I believe it’s modified from a design by Wattles.

[@camro-ed9vm]

@@dudieboy luckily i took one frame of the video and recreated it

[@dudieboy]

Skills, bro! 👍

[@pascal0254]

Do you really know how Raid farms work?

[@innok5032]

Small manual raid farms like the one showed in the video are not nerfed but all others are! Stacking raid farms are now broken! Stop lying to people!

[@void.hermit]

when they talking about nerf im assuming they mean those stacking ones

[@AvgGamerGuy15]

I must say… it’s apparently a buff disguised as a nerf… this is honestly much more controllable, so I’ll have to start using those now. The old version of bad omen just felt more annoying to work with imo, as it was instantly applied.

[@dudieboy]

Yes, can’t count how many times I had to find or craft a bucket and go find a random cow before I could return to a village or base. So annoying! 🤣

[@Fabian-mr4zr]

Bro but stacking raid farms suck now

[@Gragore]

Yeah they are nerfed from the insane levels of OPness that they were taken to but they should be nerfed. There's good farming levels, ridiculous farming levels and, "Good God, can you believe someone figured out how to make this happen?!?!?!?" levels which is where they are currently at with the most efficient designs. People just need to not complain so much that it will take them a week to get what they got in an hour before. We'll still be able to get more than we ever need with a bit of AFKing.

[@jaideairblade]

i guess in return we get busted small slime farms in exchange for now with the new potions

[@Saf1-]

yeah the nerf was well deserved tbh.

[@UZI_NEEDS_HELP]

in bed rock edition they Nerf 24 stacked raid farm

[@beanedtea]

Man, you're missing out on like 100,000 item drops per hour.

[@gusfringberkman9598]

this dude radiates gigachad energy

[@ghostgaoz]

👍

[@Ianxofourlover]

Rip raid fsrms

[@asdanjer]

He dosn't even know what a raid farm is XD

[@kongou6548]

complain this to wattle then

[@eloyball]

They should nerf it out of the game imo. Theses farms are waaay too op

[@nuno337]

Bro just doesn’t understand how a stacking raid farm works 🤦‍♂️ But I agree with the standard raid farms

[@dudieboy]

Oh I do, I’ve built them myself. This video isn’t about stacking raid farms (RIP), Mojang indicated years ago that they would start nerfing high output farms. This video is about something else, and it’s stated in the first few seconds. 😁

[@nuno337]

@@dudieboyDo you know why the want to nerf the good farms?

[@dudieboy]

@@nuno337 If you haven't join the Minecraft support discord. Lots of good info there. I can't find the original post there but there was some discussion of how the demand for new features may lead to nerfing some of the more exploitative high output farms. So I don't believe it's trying to deny us this, it's more a matter of adding more content every year.

[@jgreen2572]

You seemed as surprised as me, on the ominous 🍼's stacking differently.. there labeled 1 through 5 yet they all work up to 100.00 time. why the labeling difference? End of the day, it's Minecraft, there will be a video online and a build sooner then later... probably using redstone and auto clickers to recreate auto raid farms. Sadly the normal average player on console will be the only one who's held back from these silly changes. I think the Karen's of the community are going to kill this game. To make people who like creating and building farms to make the game easier, just getget stuffed with B's like this is sad... What makes this game great is the constant updates and the pure ability do achieve anything, almost like the real world.. you limit that, and your hurting the game imho!

[@kapuchino6870]

yo im your 7'th k subscirber so cool content dude

[@dudieboy]

Awesome, thanks so much!!

[@bemobf]

Ita stupid update Like you get hunted down for killing capitan, starting raid at your village immediately Now what? OoOOOOoOOOOooOOOOo a fucking bottle that you suck so they attack you WHY? Im really sure they just hate redstoners that spend weeks or month making stacking raid farms

[@iga.P]

what

[@Saf1-]

if you think it's stupid then don't play it simple. why spread so much negativity? also you mentioned that they hate "redstoners" you tell me how the duck is a raid farm that produces an unlimited amount of totems which makes you unkill-able and a ton of other stuff is fair? like no, you explain

[@kongou6548]

damn mc communities are kinda toxic, oof

[@H0DUCK1]

Ur just so wrong tbh

[@cooldude_not]

i knew raid farms aren't nerfed. it wasn't just me. Just because raid captions drop a potion doesn't make the farm nerfed.

[@warriorrealm9864]

Now if we had a splash potion of it we could work it out to make it a continuous raid farm

[@dudieboy]

I bet that mod comes out day 1 or 2