Rail Head Defects - Severe Engine Burn at the Derailment Site

In this video I'm going to show you a very severe rail head engine burn caused
by locomotive wheel slip. This happened as they were trying to re rail the loaded
cars that were off track. I will explain how Hulcher re railed the 2 cars and why
this engine burn occurred as they were re railing the last car.
Most engine burns that we have had are very small in comparison
to what you will see here. I will do a future video on some of the other burn fractures
we have had.
Hulcher did have to get their side booms up here to re rail the last truck set.
Sorry I was not here when that happened. Hope you enjoyed the show today
where we bring the railroadin to you!
There are more videos of the derailment here on the Cumberland Mine RR
located near Kirby Pa. Here's the link to see all the videos:
• Curve 18 Derailment

[@kens.3729]

Always knew Engines (Units) slipped but you’re the 1st person to show us the damage it causes.👍

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the show today Ken, thanks for writing in and for watching sir

[@andreweppink4498]

I thot with all the automation and sensors on the new units (maybe that's not this one) sanding was automatic and slipping nearly impossible. Analogous to automatic/manual 12 speeds on a truck. Gear clutch grinding nearly impossible (l've only ever heard the slightest barely audible grinding only once in a very long while)

[@kleetus92]

Here's a couple slip videos... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp7aiZKZfrF9na8&ab_channel=TrainMasters4848 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmjZlGSnbJicY8U&ab_channel=HotspotsSoutheast kzbin.info/www/bejne/moTQpYlundefd7s&ab_channel=DelayInBlock%E2%84%A2Productions kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmbVZ3-veJ5-qMk&ab_channel=C%26ORailfan

[@catslivesmatter1268]

@@kleetus92 thanks for sharing

[@zakksrage]

Actually AvE showed us huge train burn outs a few years ago

[@stanbrow]

Something I learned the hard way, from many years in industry, is that when we ran equipment with known issues ( in your case the cut out traction motor) we would regret it, as ultimately we would create even bigger issues.

[@ccrx6700]

I couldn't agree with you more Stan, sadly not everything thinks that way or possibly this might not have happened. Appreciate your watching sir

[@waltonwarrior7428]

I remember seeing these rail burns as a kid walking a track, but never understood what I was looking at. Great video and insight.

[@ccrx6700]

Well now you know. These are extreme, will have do a vid in the future with some of the smaller ones, they are far less intimidating to look at. Appreciate your watching sir

[@youmadbro742]

Really do enjoy you taking us through these inspections and going into detail explaining it.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Pierce, appreciate your writing in and for watching sir

[@victorjeffers1993]

I was always curious as to when the locomotive would spin its wheels how much damage it could do ! I found this interesting ! Thanks for the video !

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Victor, after I put this video out, several folks wrote in with links to some vids and pics where the wheels had actually burnt the rail almost in two, that was amazing to see. Do appreciate your watching sir

[@samhake4023]

Great videos! It’s very interesting to see everything that happened! I work with an engineer at NS. He is famous for spinning out. When you work nights with him, he will tie on to cut of cars and go straight to notch 8. Sparks flying and the GP38 with the slug starts jumping like crazy. He won’t let up until you start counting car lengths for the tail end. I see these marks every day. Anyway, great video! Thanks!

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Sam, glad you enjoyed watching, but from what you're saying you could make a whole series on these...LOL Be careful working with that guy, as I'm sure you are

[@kdaddy100]

I loved trains all my life and appreciate your technical breakdowns of the operational, maintenance and emergency functions of the railroad.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the nice comment kdaddy. Glad you could take the time to pay us a visit and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@tombratton3196]

Makes me feel better knowing guys like you are on the job. Love your vids!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Tom for the nice comment and glad you are feeling better.... :-)

[@terrywebb8636]

Wow I just seen the exact same thing last month. I along with my little buddy 11yr old grandson was walking westbound on the ole SSW COTTON BELT and found the same thing, I thought it looked like wheel slip wasn't sure. Thank You Mr. Dave for your railroad expertise.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Terry for taking the time to watch and write in with the nice comment my friend. How cool you go rail fanning with your grandson, that is so neat.

[@soundadvicesomewhere9027]

Always good to review Track Maintetance video - Great Work & Effort! Thanks 😊

[@ccrx6700]

Very pleased to hear you enjoyed the video. We do appreciate the nice comment and for watching sir.

[@valeriebassett3107]

Thank you for taking the time to show us another fantastic video, that is full of interesting issues. I would never have dreamed of all the things that are involved with the railroad. Take care and have a great week.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you again Valerie, appreciate your very nice comments and for watching my friend

[@alhehn2101]

Appreciate that you take the time to explain things like this to us.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Al, glad you enjoyed and thank you for the nice comment sir

[@nakinajay]

When i first started on the CN as a Holland welder, it blew me away how much science,math and know how goes into just 2 pieces of steel. More than just two simple pieces of steel nailed down to lumber ( spiked to ties ) Hello from Nakina Ontario Canada

[@ccrx6700]

It never ceases to amaze me either 🌝

[@nakinajay]

@@ccrx6700 hehe I bet. Hope all is well and best wishes from Nakina Ontario Canada bud

[@ccrx6700]

@@nakinajay thanks Jay, you also 😊

[@lindseysturkie2205]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us train lovers. I sure hope there is someone coming along behind you to learn.

[@ccrx6700]

Your very welcome Lindsey, my pleasure. Nice to hear you enjoyed 😊

[@timw6928]

Just discovered you on this video, thoroughly enjoyed the specification side of things and your detailed explanations , trackwork usually takes a backseat in most forums but I've spent a long time on line shutdowns in Aus and really enjoy seeing how it's done elsewhere . Subscribed 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Welcome Tim, we're glad to have you with us and great to hear you enjoyed the video, got a lot more on my channel page if you're interested sometime

[@jeffbronowicz3264]

Always a pleasure to watch dave. Nice vantage point from in the truck keep them coming!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Jeff, appreciate the nice comment my friend

[@alcopower5710]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and showing us exactly what happened 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome, very nice to hear you enjoyed the show, we do appreciate your viewing

[@briankemp5206]

Great explanation on the rail damage. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Brian, I do appreciate the nice comment and for you watching my friend

[@larrysierens1029]

I'm really glad I found your channel I enjoy railroad videos seeing the different engines but what you do makes sure the trains CAN keep going it helps give me a better understanding of the whole operation thank you so much 🙂

[@ccrx6700]

Awesome comment Larry! Thanks so much and we are really glad to hear you are enjoying and for the great support of the channel my good man.

[@richardpowell7013]

Always enjoy your videos and how you give us in depth information w issues that occur especially w the rails. Thanks for sharing this video and I'm viewing this from the 1st state of DELAWARE!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Richard, appreciate your watching in and for the nice comment sir

[@raymarshall6721]

I've learned more from you in an hour of watching your videos than I would have been able to any other way besides being in your shoes

[@ccrx6700]

Well golly Ray what a nice comment, really do appreciate your saying that and we thank you so much for watching good sir

[@bhuff123]

I like it every time that you come out with a new video you keep your videos interesting and informative

[@ccrx6700]

Well thank you Clark for the nice comment, really good to hear that you are enjoying them, do appreciate your watching

[@TriGogglin]

Wow, I've walked many a mile of rail in my days. Only seen track that looked like that a few times, and had no idea it was from wheel slip. Thanks for educating me on this now I know, and thanks for the hi-rail ride, you should do a video just on that.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed, have you seen this video riding the hi rail? kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipqcoGObZtZ5sKM

[@mackfisher4487]

Dave, your on my list for number one employee: 1. Conscientious, 2. Knowledgeable, 3. Gets the job done right

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the very nice comment Mack. We did get those rail changed after that video was made. Very much appreciate your taking the time to write in and watch the rail defects video my friend.

[@JJfan48]

Fantastic channel, I've learned a lot from watching, I'll keep my eye out for these now, knowing what they are when fanning. Thank you

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome, and we are really glad to learn you are enjoying these videos my friend. Really appreciate the very nice comment.

[@johnsmart964]

Thank you for bringing us this very interesting and informative video, it is much appreciated by the people.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you John for the very nice comment and glad to hear you enjoyed sir, appreciate your watching sir

[@bluefj-wc3vz]

Great in depth info as always.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the nice comment and for watching, appreciate that

[@draff1662]

Your videos are interesting and educational for people like me who don’t know much more than I like watching trains. Fascinating all the things that have to be maintained to keep the trains going. Thanks for making these.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome and thank you very much for the nice comment, really swell of you to write in and for watching

[@PlanetMojo]

Awesome detective work Dave! You're like the 'Columbo' of railroading 😉

[@ccrx6700]

LOL I used to love to watch Columbo! and Charlie Chan! Appreciate your watching my friend and thank you sir

[@NiceMuslimLady]

No, he isn't. He doesn't keep saying "Oh, one more thing" all the time. :p

[@ccrx6700]

@@NiceMuslimLady 😄

[@mdewidt]

Yet again a very interesting video. Thank you sir !

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you, glad you liked watching, do appreciate that

[@conrailfan6277]

Conrails Dow line went past my house growing up and the grade started there and went halfway to Alexandria Indiana and when those SD's would dig into a coal train they would slip a little. We used to have Rail grinders come thru every so often along with those SPERRY detector cars and check for cracks and wear. Back in 77 Conrail replaced all of the jointed rail with continuous Rail and the cool thing was watching track crews using thermite to weld in sections that had to be replaced for cracks and wear!!! Thanks Dave for another great video for us train freaks!!!!!!!!

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome my friend, glad you enjoyed and appreciate your writing in with the history lesson, I love to hear stuff like that about Conrail. Got a video in future coming out watching thermite welding, will be awhile for it comes out

[@Zhukov-3]

Thanks for the info my friend! Very interesting.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Rick, glad you found it enjoyable sir

[@dorothycole8611]

Good detective work! So much to know----who knew tracks are so complicated?

[@derrickanderson4932]

Very interesting, thank you!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Derrick, glad you enjoyed the show today, appreciate your viewing sir

[@2xrpm]

Thanks for showing the burns. The ride in the truck was neat 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome, really glad you enjoyed, appreciate your watching and for writing in

[@clydemarkham7915]

Informative interesting and a great video. Thanks for posting it.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Clyde, really swell to hear you enjoyed sir and do thank you so much for watching

[@billsmith3195]

Real fascinating Dave. Saw some railburn once in a yard some many years ago. Hard to imagine it.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the show today Bill, appreciate your viewing

[@HugsBach]

Excellent job teaching "railroading. " 👏

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the show HugsBach. We do appreciate your writing in and watching my friend.

[@gabbyb9632]

what a great video and sharing your knowledge ,

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Gabby, glad you enjoyed the show today, appreciate your viewing

[@petezapadka]

Dave, once again, another fabulous, informative video! So many things I never knew. Plus I get to see some Greene County scenery! Thank you sir!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Pete, appreciate the nice comment and for your watching sir

[@petezapadka]

@@ccrx6700 Thank YOU, Dave! It's like I'm standing there with you!

[@davidhuber9418]

very interesting, thank you!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you David, good to hear you enjoyed and appreciate your watching my friend

[@robertdees2150]

Thank you for making these videos, i've been wanting to see what happens to the rail when train wheels slip.

[@ccrx6700]

You are welcome Robert, glad you enjoyed. Thank you so much for watching and writing in with the nice comment. May you have a wonderful day my friend.

[@josephpalmieri3095]

Thanks for the update and education, Dave 👍 I sure don't envy you or your crews. Wish I could ride along sometime 😉

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Joseph, thanks for the nice comment and for watching today's show sir

[@ed12151]

learn something new with every video, you're great explaining and the reasoning.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Edward for the nice comment and really glad you are enjoying these sir, it's great to hear that. Appreciate your watching sir

[@alandaters8547]

You have a great gift for making education enjoyable (or entertainment educational) , Thanks and Be Safe!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Alan for the very nice comment, we do appreciate that and for you watching sir

[@christophereaves862]

Pretty interesting and knowledgeable video man. I had an uncle that retired from CSX, he was on the repair crew. He told me that they had a pull engine out of a bank that had derailed. It was in the bank around 6-7 feet. Another time an engineer wore the rail down like this in your video, but he wore it down until the rail was about 3 inches tall. Pretty crazy

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Christopher, glad you enjoyed. Here's an image another commenter sent in that is pretty much what you are talking about imgur.com/RO4Fb1e

[@sgttombailes3380]

I enjoy your videos so Much Sir !! HooAH !!

[@ccrx6700]

That's really great to hear Tom. We very much appreciate your taking the time to watch them and write in my friend.

[@WAL_DC-6B]

As a retired locomotive engineer, I can honestly look back and say I produced a few rail burns over the years I've worked in engine service. It's interesting to note that it always happened when I was running an EMD GP38-2 diesel locomotive. It seems these four axle engines were a bit "light footed" (not as much weight on the drive wheels). Once when shoving a heavy cut of cars in the yard, the wheels underneath the cab of a GP38-2 I was running at about 5 mph just "took off" and before I knew it there was an orange glow (it was dark out) coming from underneath my cab windows. I throttled down immediately, but the damage was done and there were four nasty, new rail burns on the tracks.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for sharing the cool story! Probably not a lot of engineers who can say they never had some degree of engine burn, we got burns all up and down our rails, most are insignificant, but still there. Sure is a lot of heat created from wheel slip. You might enjoy this video of steam locos slipping, and appreciate your viewing this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Kuk6qfh79qnLs

[@WAL_DC-6B]

@@ccrx6700 Watched the video. OUCH!

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

We have GP38-2 that go through our town, they have a pretty unique sound to them.

[@thomaskrug6161]

Which is the harder steel, the engine driver wheel or the rail?

[@WAL_DC-6B]

@@thomaskrug6161 To be honest, I really don't know the answer to your question. I do know that some rail is made from a more durable steel such as rail used in heavy traffic areas and/or curves.

[@steelem422]

Good lesson today thank you!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed watching sir! Appreciate that

[@tonyschiffiler4816]

This is a type of friction welding , good luck replacing all that burned rail , very interesting thanks .

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Tony, glad you enjoyed and appreciate your watching sir

[@SantaFe-wi1ve]

Loram is not going to be able to grind those spots out! To continue safe rairoadin' those rails eventually need replaced. Thanks for the video Dave.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes sir, no hope for them now but replacement, you are right in that. Do appreciate your comment and for watching my friend

[@inaoifeble]

hard to imagine someone choosing to build an isolated rail line like this nowadays, seems like similar projects all use long conveyors now because of all of the issues that you run in to when you can't interchange with other railroads thanks for showing us all the work that goes into keeping the line running!

[@ccrx6700]

Guess that what US Steel back in the early 1970's decided to do, but then again if it was all belts, there wouldn't be any RR videos from me, so count your blessings there...LOL Thanks for watching

[@KB-gs8zi]

Hey Dave !!! Thanks for explanation !!! Saw this when they used the ""OL"" Steam Locos ,,but never thought much about ""DIESEL" Locos doing that !!! Have a good week & ""KEEP IT SAFE ""!!!

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks K B, you may enjoy this video, all about steam wheel slip kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Kuk6qfh79qnLs

[@KB-gs8zi]

@@ccrx6700 Viewed the video !! Yepper !!! Lots of rail slippage there !!! Thanks

[@ccrx6700]

@@KB-gs8zi thought you might enjoy it

[@gophergarage]

Looks great!!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Shane, glad you enjoyed watching sir

[@Rwalt61]

Another interesting video. I was watching someone else's video the other day and it was showing a CRX train full of hoppers going up a grade and it was barely moving. Every time the crew on the train throttled up it was a shower of sparks from both ends of the 2nd locomotive.

[@ccrx6700]

That's pretty cool if you got to see that. Wonder if the sanders weren't doing their job? Was it wet rail? I've seen them stall on horseshoe curve several times but have never seen the sparks, they usually stall with only cars in front of the camera. Appreciate your watching and writing in sir

[@StormySkyRailProductions]

Nice explanation of this subject, I have piloted Sperry and Herzog rail detector trucks over the territory almost every time that they came onto our territory throughout my RR career.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed Steve, ultrasonic testers were here bout 4 weeks ago and didn't find any internal defects here, so that made me feel better until we can get them replaced. Appreciate your watching

[@StormySkyRailProductions]

@@ccrx6700 You are welcome and every time they came onto our territory and tested we were asking each other what are they going to find today and how late are we going to be working.

[@ccrx6700]

@@StormySkyRailProductions i can understand that 😊

[@randymorris8786]

Your vids are great. They can even help a non railroader be safer which helps us both. Thanks again, Dave. Peace

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Randy for the very kind words. We really appreciate your watching the shows my friend.

[@Catayst-123]

Great Explanations I'm new to your channel Thank You/Take Care

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Jeff and we appreciate your watching. Do welcome you to the channel and hope you will continue to enjoy what we're showing. We're glad to have you with us.

[@elevation-rh5ww]

Thank you so much for your explanation. You are speaking my language. Appreciate it.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the nice comment. This is the most extreme burn we have ever had, got lots smaller ones which you know what they look like, will sometime do a future vid with a compilation of the various degrees of burns

[@vanlifeinthecity9798]

Great video. I've never seen the damage that causes. Excellent video

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you, glad to hear you enjoyed the show today and for the nice comment, appreciate that sir

[@vanlifeinthecity9798]

@@ccrx6700 Was talking to my friend who has been on the railroad for some 35 years. He said he has never done that, but once he saw the video, he said you are pretty much spot on with what ya said. He even said that it's crazy. He went back and watched the entire derailment series, he was as astounded as you was. Very impressive. Thanks for sharing.

[@ccrx6700]

@@vanlifeinthecity9798 thanks for sharing that with me 👍

[@bobblenuts]

Had no choice, I had to "Subscribe" to your channel as I've become addicted. As a newly minted "Railfan" after visiting the Horseshoe Curve last month I crave to learn & understand the exact things you cover in your videos...Many thanks for sharing your work experience & compassion for RR'ing with us. Can't wait to view all your past videos!!!

[@ccrx6700]

LOL, glad you are addicted to something good! Really appreciate that and thank you. HSC a nice place to visit, hope you saw Railroaders Museum there too. Did you know Virtual Railfan has a 24/7 railcam at HSC? I watch it sometimes

[@bobblenuts]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks for the reply. We traveled 4 hours to spent nearly 3 days (more time needed) in Altoona, HSC, Cresson, Gallitzin, Tunnel Hill etc. & the Museum too. Yes, I watch VRF@HSC Live almost daily. Planning another trip in October!

[@ccrx6700]

@@bobblenuts awesome 👍 you had a great trip there, saw the good places

[@Ranchhand323]

I thought about the sand. Glad you covered it.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Howard, thanks for watching sir

[@chrisrotmanthatguyfromtikt1033]

I absolutely love your videos it opens up a lot and shows really what’s needed in good track work and not to mention any names but a tourist RR in New England I might say shouldn’t be operating with what they have it’s so scary I don’t even go near tracks when they run around the train. You would have a heart attack if you see what my eyes see!!!! Great cideos as always keep up good work bud.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Christopher for the nice comment and great to hear you are enjoying these. Do appreciate your watching my friend

[@rickcooper6817]

Great video Mr. Dave. I've seen some burn but nothing compared to that, wow! Are you sure they didn't have the ice cleats on that engine? lol! Thanks again Dave and stay safe my friend.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Rick for the nice comment, do appreciate your writing in and for watching my friend

[@TheAnonymousfruit]

We call these Wheelburns in the UK. Often they appear on the approach to Signals or around Station areas; wherever the Trains might slow down or speed up for whatever reason. We tend to keep an eye out for these during leaf fall season as this reduces wheel-Rail traction, increasing likelihood of slipping. This can be one of the reasons for flat spots (or ‘flat tyres’) on wheels too, because it’s not just the Rail that wears like that but the wheel will have matching damage. This can then turn the wheel into a hammer as it rolls on down the track. This will present yet more problems like surface damages and cracking which can lead to Rail breaks. Great stuff!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the excellent comment, always I love to learn how our overseas neighbors do things and the terminology used. 😊

[@fredygump5578]

Now that I've watched your videos, I can't look at a train track the same way!

[@ccrx6700]

LOL... glad to hear that you are enjoying the videos, there a lot behind the scenes stuff goes on that most folks don't realize, just glad I can be a small part of revealing it. Do so much appreciate your watching today's show

[@michaelball760]

Good ol wheel burns got to love them. Last round we had there were 6 in a rail length.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh dear! We have many others but they are isolated, always puzzles me why here and there it happens, Appreciate your writing in and for watching Michael

[@9005067]

Howdy , i find this very interesting and i have seen this before on some rail Thanks

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Gary, good to hear you enjoyed the show today sir, appreciate your viewing

[@9005067]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks , i really enjoyed it How is it going Now

[@ccrx6700]

@@9005067 👍

[@Alcorob]

Every time I've seen a video with sparks flying off the wheels I've wondered what it does to the rails! As always good content! Thanks. PS: it doesn't matter if your lawn is 100 acres

[@thomasboese3793]

Are those rail grinding videos? Where the rail top/inside face is lightly touched to re-smooth the surfaces. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYi6g2CEh7Csatk

[@Alcorob]

@@thomasboese3793 I meant wheel slip videos, not the Loram

[@ccrx6700]

Yes Thomas that link is, they are amazing to watch, all the stones on those grinders are computer operated

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you, great to hear you enjoyed and appreciate your watching and for writing in

[@thomasboese3793]

@@Alcorob Well to me your "sparks flying off the wheels" sounded like rail grinding. I have never seen a loco slip, other than a steamer. (Living in a sort of a flat-ish sawtooth territory. Lots of short, light grades. Only one major place where helpers might be used now and then.)

[@johndanaher6371]

Thanks for the explanation. I too am curious if the wheels on the trucks were affected as well. Hope that doesn't cause any more trouble before you get them replaced. Have a good weekend sir!

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome John, yes the wheels on the loco were affected. The next operator noticed a really rough ride and actually stopped the train and looked at the wheels. He did tell me that eventually later that day the wheels smoothed out for him. Good question and thanks for writing in and watching sir

[@trailwayt9H337]

My engineer sir. Thankyou very much for this good video. for the introducing of damages of rails by traction of train wheels . Lovely your friend Thomaskutty from India 🇮🇳

[@ccrx6700]

Locos can be hard on the rails specially when they spin in one place for a short period. Unfortunately this could have been avoided, grand man and loco operator got their communications mixed up.

[@trailwayt9H337]

@@ccrx6700 Thankyou my engineer sir. ❤️❤️

[@rpmillam]

Thankful

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for watching

[@raymondwedley]

This Video is a good one

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Raymond, glad you enjoyed today's show sir

[@mattberg916]

Pulling hard I was taught to fan the independent brake + sand, but our sanders didn't always work, nor did the wheel slip indicator. I did see a photo of rail burn all the way down to the base of the rail, all three axles! I must compliment you, you keep a very nice ROW.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Matt, this was an unusual circumstance, the operator knew he was slipping and yet the ground man from Hulcher kept telling him to pull, it was something that never should have happened,error on both of their parts, but it did and that happens on RR as you probably well know. do appreciate your writing in and for watching sir.

[@mattberg916]

@@ccrx6700 you don't have switchers but, I think it was, sw1500 have a hole in the heavy plate that sits on top of the frame for the handbrake chain...guess where all the engine oil leaks go. Right on the second axle and brake rigging. Lots of sand!

[@ccrx6700]

@@mattberg916 thanks for info Matt, i have never been around switchers working

[@ElmerCat]

Another fascinating video! Is there a cost-benefit tipping point where the value of recovering from the derailment faster and with less supplemental equipment, is worth the risk of the locomotive damaging the rail? Or, should a higher priority always be given to protecting the rail infrastructure?

[@ccrx6700]

Well, this was human error caused, the ground man from Hulcher kept telling the loco operator to pull and he did up to a certain point, should never have happened, but it did. Appreciate your watching and for writing in

[@ericcoffedgp40]

A local siding has some engine burn on it from trains sitting and then leaving over the past few years.

[@ccrx6700]

Does happen when a train first starts to pull a heavy load specially with wet rains, don't know if you like steam or not but here is a vid you may enjoy all of wheel slip on steamers Eric kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Kuk6qfh79qnLs

[@dd1862]

Thanks for the video. I use to see those marks on the tracks behind my house and could never figure out what caused them.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome and glad you enjoyed the show, appreciate your writing in and for watching

[@dd1862]

@@heyyy4783 I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.

[@kirkmccool2477]

I love watching your videos, please explain traction motor.

[@ccrx6700]

That's great to hear Kirk. Appreciate the suggestion, I will add that on my list of future to do videos, although it may be sometime next year before I can get it shown. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in the video today my friend.

[@killsalive1]

We had a set of motors drive down almost through the rails. The Engineers backed 2 1/2 engines over them and on into Haugan. We then brought 3 rails out on push cars. Our motor car was able to make it through the burns. Good old Milwaukee Road

[@nothanks1627]

Milwaukee Road for life! lol

[@ccrx6700]

The good old days! Appreciate your taking in the show today and for writing in

[@ClarissaPacker]

Saw a picture going around Facebook of a track that looked liked someone tried to do a burn out with a locomotive. Melted deep groves in the track.

[@ccrx6700]

I'll bet it did, lot's friction. Appreciate your viewing today's show

[@thegeneralissimo470]

I don’t know why I’m here. But this is enjoyable.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed, hope you will like more of my RR videos. We do appreciate your watching

[@jjxtwo1]

They don't call locomotives "the power" for nothing. That is amazing how quickly they can dig into that hardened steel rail. I may have missed it but is there going to be any changes to how often the center bowl lubrication is done on the trucks? I saw the video with the dry bowl.

[@ccrx6700]

You got that right Jeff, and so far they only gonna keep what they have been doing, just lube when a truck set is changed, but we got some new management coming in and things may change, we will wait and see. Thanks for writing in and watching my friend

[@jjxtwo1]

@@ccrx6700 I hope that they make some wise changes. It seems like this one accident could have paid for a whole lot of lube. But making changes sure can be an uphill battle no matter how much sense they make.

[@espeescotty]

In the Pentrex video Last of the Giants Vol. 3, they interviewed several of the engineers that ran the 4-8-8-4 Big Boys back when they were in regular service and one of the guys tells the story of how one time the throttle of one of the Big Boys couldn't be shut and the engine cut through the rails! He didn't specify if it was just one set of drivers (8-wheels) or both sets (16-wheels), but either way, that must've sure been quite a scene during the event and after when the engine was moved from the spot on the track. I sure would've like to have had you there with your camera and commentary, Dave. Thanks, buddy!

[@ccrx6700]

Wow, that's pretty interesting, thanks for sharing, That had to be a scary experience for that guy! Here's a vid on tube with lots of steam wheel slip you might like kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Kuk6qfh79qnLs

[@espeescotty]

Thanks Dave, there was a lot of new clips there that I hadn't seen yet. It sure is entertaining to watch engines slipping, both steam and diesel, but as you've shown, it's very destructive for track and engine. Thanks for steering me to that video.

[@ccrx6700]

@@espeescotty 👌

[@wyomingadventures]

I never knew trains could do that. My second husband worked for the railroad in Minneapolis. We have coal trains here. Not as many as we use too unfortunately. It's like a investigation! Cool video.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad yoy enjoyed the show, appreciate your watching 😊

[@6777Productions]

I've seen that a few times. Usually appears in smaller patches from what I've seen. Normally from places where train is stopped and have to restart on a grade on a daily basis. Not sure how much using the sander could help with some spots

[@ccrx6700]

Most of ours are much smaller, this was an unusual circumstance why it so severe, saw a vid on tube some time ago that had all steam loco wheel slip, it's a wonder some of that rail wasn't burnt pretty bad. Thanks for watching Sam

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

Here (SJ-ie Sweden) for example, they got trouble with damaged rail in front of certain main signals in the 50s after the steam engines was replaced with a serie of MaK diesel engines. The only effective cure was to move the signal to a more favorable position.

[@chadmartin1528]

Your one cool dude! Rail head for life!

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the show Chad, appreciate your watching

[@edtompkins865]

I really enjoy your videos! They are always informative. I hope your employer supports you making them! That said, I understand you are isolated from the U.S. rail network -- does that preclude you from doing any rail grinding?

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Ed for the nice comment and yes management does know I make these and so far has no problem with it, we are very fortunate in that, although it does come with some stipulations, there are some things they don't want me making videos of like other employees faces. Unfortionately rail grinding is out, it sure would make a difference if we could tho.

[@edtompkins865]

@@ccrx6700 great to know! Keep up the good work! "This is railroadin'!"

[@ccrx6700]

@@edtompkins865👍

[@SlapthePissouttayew]

Years ago when I was an operator at a local (now closed) paper mill, we had our road foreman of engines show up and insisted on running the engine (though he never had here). There was a crossing we had to shove coal across where you couldn't stop, the flagger (myself at the time) had to be way out in front and told him this ahead of time. What's he do? Stops even though I'd given him the 'All clear, keep shoving!'. So he stops, then proceeds and I can see sparks flying as he slowly continues on. Later, when the move was done and we were back at the office, he goes back and looks at the track. He comes back and asks me "Why is the rail burned up back there?" I loved that job but the amount of idiocy we had to deal with 'those in charge' was amazing.

[@ccrx6700]

What a cool story that is, really thank you for sharing it, I can fully understand your thoughts! That's railroadin, like it or not. We have the same problem at times... as you can see.

[@gmac8852]

He knew what he had done. He was trying to deflect.

[@shirleyharrington-moore9657]

I enjoyed your presentation, Dave.If I understand what happened, in an attempted work around to reoair the derailment, several sections of rail were flattened. What was the cost to make the repair vs waiting for the equipment to cross the creek and make the repairs the normal way? While I am not a bean counter, I do know how attempts to do a work around can prove more costly. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@ccrx6700]

You make a very good point Shirley. I was not there when they did that, but you are right, it sure would have made better sense to get the side booms up there first, they had to come up anyway to put the derailed loco back on. But those guys got in a big hurry and you see what happened.

[@BearsTrains]

Hello there. Love the videos, you sound just like my grandfather did when you say crick. Do the engine wheels get damaged as well?

[@ccrx6700]

Crick ...southwestern Pennsylvania-ese, and if my relatives from Baltimore were here they would tell you the crick was filled with wooter, not water...LOL Glad you are enjoying and thank you for watching

[@AdrianPardini]

Those flakes look like one of my cold chisels. Thanks for sharing

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Adrian, appreciate your watching

[@johndonaldson3619]

You be sure to grind off those flakes.......keep the head clean before a strike piece comes flying off

[@ccrx6700]

@@johndonaldson3619 will do John, appreciate your thoughtfulness 😊

[@timcowan5528]

Another fantastic video Dave.Hope you have copyright as I’m sure a rail training school somewhere would love to use these videos and explanations.You are to nicer man to say it but maintainence issues seem to be the causes of these problem that’s wagons and locos not the track.Stay safe and healthy mate👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the very nice comment Tim, actually there have been several guys with big railroads who have written me and said they sometimes use these videos as training films for their new hires, that totally amazed and flattered me for sure. There a long story here, but our last company was in huge cost cutting mode and a lot of things got neglected, our new owners are spending money on getting things fixed, which is a really good thing.

[@johnwaby4321]

Those rail burns sure do make a mess 😯

[@ccrx6700]

Yes they do and sure makes the hi rail trucks and track equipment ride rough over them John. After this video was made we replaced all those rails there with new rail. Shame that it happened but it did. Very much appreciate your watching and writing in. May you have a very good day my friend.

[@tedm.3961]

The detail l of attention you give to your miles of railway gives me pause to the thousands+ of miles out there that don't get your level of attention.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Ted , but we have lots of problens to deal with, hard to keep up with only 2 guys and little dead track time. Do appreciate your writing in and watching 👍

[@demiwald87]

Those are fun anchors 😂

[@tommyhunter1817]

Amazing how much work a railroad is.

[@ccrx6700]

A lot goes into maintaining a RR for sure, most folks never realize just what all is involved, I'm glad to be able to share a small part of the behind the scenes stuff. Really appreciate your writing in and for watching Tommy

[@tommyhunter1817]

@@ccrx6700 Thank you so much for sharing. As a civil engineer specializing in transportation, the “behind the scenes” stuff is what really interests me.

[@ccrx6700]

@@tommyhunter1817 your welcome Tommy, that kinda stuff intrigues me also, wish i had your education

[@tommyhunter1817]

@@ccrx6700 first time anybody has ever said that. LOLOLOL

[@tigercatstudios9052]

That is crazy!

[@ccrx6700]

Yep, pretty wild stuff, thanks for watching the show today

[@bobgallo2178]

Great presentation. Since traffic is moving over this, is there a speed restriction order in effect ?

[@ccrx6700]

No there is not Bob. We did have the ultrasonic testers in and they did not find any internal defects here, which was a relief to me until we can get the rails changed. It's a pretty rough ride in our MOW equipment but with the big wheels on the loco it's hardly noticeable. Glad you enjoyed watching and writing in

[@fdegeorge2000]

Dave, Can you clean up the damage with a grinder to buy a little more time? Thanks for the video,great as always.

[@ccrx6700]

It could have been ground but that probably wouldn't have done much good other than giving it a bit of a smoother ride. The rails have been replaced since that video was made so all it well. Wasn't a bad ride over it in the loco but the small track equipment was a bit rough riding.

[@johnmaguire9305]

Very interesting explanation on the stresses exerted on the rails. Can’t help noticing the disintegrating wooden sleepers (I think you call them ties).Why don’t you folks use concrete ones with pandrol clips to fix the rails?

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you John, glad you enjoyed and appreciate your watching. Ties here are weathered but still holding spikes well, here's a link you may enjoy on why concrete ties are not used more. Both wood and concrete have their pros and cons www.rtands.com/track-structure/ballast-ties-rail/new-paradigm-design-concrete-crossties/