How Sweden Revolutionized the Rail Industry?

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@larion3296
@larion3296 9 ай бұрын
No, the semi-privatization has not worked in Sweden. The costs might have gone down but mostly because the maintenance have been cut down. Even relatively new lines such as the Botniabanan have problems. Going by train is comfortable but you should not be surprised if long distance trips takes half a day longer or more than expected. And nowadays they cannot even operate the trains in strong cold. Few people working at the Trafikverket thinks that building new high-speed lines is a good idea considering the large need for investments in the existing rail system. But perhaps the biggest problem is the lack of information to the passengers when delays occur. Even the personell on the trains are resigned over the lack of information. If the trains could run at 200-250 kmph on the existing lines, the trains would be considerably faster than today. The best option would be to add more parallel tracks, to at least dual or triple tracks everywhere. To facilitate both repairs and meeting of trains. Malmbanan from Luleå to Narvik is a significant example of these problems with a need for dual tracks and much investments. Thing is that Sweden makes a lot of profit from the transport of iron ore on this line and the last repairs between Kiruna and Narvik blocked the line and cost the mining company (that is owned by the Swedish government) large sums due to delayed shipments.
@frida507
@frida507 9 ай бұрын
Exactly! It has NOT been a success story. A lot of disruptions and delays.
@sumomaster5585
@sumomaster5585 9 ай бұрын
I moved to sweden 3 years ago and was initially impressed living in the south but moving to middle and north Sweden i was surprised by the delays...thought it was just mother nature and bad weather but I guess there's more to it
@frida507
@frida507 9 ай бұрын
@@sumomaster5585Yes, it's lacking investment and maintenance in infrastructure. Normal (for the region) winter weather wasn't a problem before. For extreme weather situations disruptions are understandable.
@tomkj5gy
@tomkj5gy 9 ай бұрын
Polish Hyperloop is approaching. Hyper Poland presented the latest technology. The Hyper Poland team wants to combine the possibilities of magnetic railways with Elon Musk's idea called Hyperloop. On railway lines, where trains can run at speeds of up to 160 km/h, mag rail vehicles can reach speeds almost twice as high (up to 300 km/h), and on high-speed lines up to 415 km/h. Only then will the modified railway tracks be covered with a vacuum cap, and after the air pressure inside the tunnel is reduced, the vehicle speed will increase to 600 km/h. Fly anywhere in the world within an hour. Elon Musk's new plan. Patented TR3B anti-gravity from Google Patents. In 2013 Polands trail train reach almost 300 km/h... Those trains and other with similar speeds - Polish (Lechian) producions - are now in use a long time.
@RoniiNN
@RoniiNN 16 күн бұрын
The elected governments don’t have the foresight for the value of investment in new infrastructure and maintenance of current lines.
@boredotter
@boredotter 9 ай бұрын
I don’t know where you got your information. The privatisation of the Swedish rail network has been a disaster for us. The tracks are worn out, the trains are old and dirty and d reduced amount of staff to talk to whenever something goes wrong (and that happens a lot).
@Svafne
@Svafne 9 ай бұрын
Maybe he's an "investor" 😂
@boredotter
@boredotter 9 ай бұрын
Good luck investing in an all-loss business. Especially one that a lot of swedes want to see renationalised 😊 @@Svafne
@tomkj5gy
@tomkj5gy 9 ай бұрын
Polish Hyperloop is approaching. Hyper Poland presented the latest technology. The Hyper Poland team wants to combine the possibilities of magnetic railways with Elon Musk's idea called Hyperloop. On railway lines, where trains can run at speeds of up to 160 km/h, mag rail vehicles can reach speeds almost twice as high (up to 300 km/h), and on high-speed lines up to 415 km/h. Only then will the modified railway tracks be covered with a vacuum cap, and after the air pressure inside the tunnel is reduced, the vehicle speed will increase to 600 km/h. Fly anywhere in the world within an hour. Elon Musk's new plan. Patented TR3B anti-gravity from Google Patents. In 2013 Polands trail train reach almost 300 km/h... Those trains and other with similar speeds - Polish (Lechian) producions - are now in use a long time.
@boredotter
@boredotter 9 ай бұрын
@@tomkj5gy Good luck investing in an already dissprooven transportation concept that every sein transportation planer will just lauge at ;)
@viktorvalvik4207
@viktorvalvik4207 7 ай бұрын
Har du ens rest med ett privat järnvägsföretag ”open access” så som MTRX eller Snälltåget? Knappast någon katastrof och ökad konkurrens gör att SJ måste förbättra sin verksamhet. Dessutom är järnvägen inte privatiserad utan ägs av staten och förvaltas av Trafikverket
@fishyerik
@fishyerik 9 ай бұрын
Funny thing about delay statistics, if you cancel a departure, it's not counted as a delay anymore. And if you focus on 5 minute limit, and just give up keeping the delay as short as possible if it turns out you can't make it in less than 5 minutes, and prioritize other departures making it within that threshold, you can get most of the departures have less than 5 minute delay, at the cost of a few of them having much much more than 5 minute delays. I tried to commute by trains in Sweden, delays and canceled departures combined on average caused well over 10% increase in the time work and commuting took. That's without counting the extra time spent by the fact that I had to take one departure earlier that should have been necessary to get some margin. One departure earlier than what should have been necessary was just enough to get to work on time most days. To let the operators decide how to measure, and do the measuring, of the "quality" of their own performance is a bit like letting the fox guard the hen house. It's a total mystery to me how it can be so incredibly difficult to have almost all trains, like 98%+ be less than 5 minutes late, even without cheating by canceling departures and sacrificing departures to keep the rest within that threshold, I mean, astronomical budgets, and one or two operators on dedicated tracks.
@randomgeocacher
@randomgeocacher 9 ай бұрын
Also; SJ often counts trains as arrived m when stuck at central waiting for their arrival track. So “arrived” and “actually arrived” are two completely different events / times in Sweden…
@tomkj5gy
@tomkj5gy 9 ай бұрын
Polish Hyperloop is approaching. Hyper Poland presented the latest technology. The Hyper Poland team wants to combine the possibilities of magnetic railways with Elon Musk's idea called Hyperloop. On railway lines, where trains can run at speeds of up to 160 km/h, mag rail vehicles can reach speeds almost twice as high (up to 300 km/h), and on high-speed lines up to 415 km/h. Only then will the modified railway tracks be covered with a vacuum cap, and after the air pressure inside the tunnel is reduced, the vehicle speed will increase to 600 km/h. Fly anywhere in the world within an hour. Elon Musk's new plan. Patented TR3B anti-gravity from Google Patents. In 2013 Polands trail train reach almost 300 km/h... Those trains and other with similar speeds - Polish (Lechian) producions - are now in use a long time.
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033 10 ай бұрын
I’m really mad at our government for cancelling (most of) the high speed rail plans. What they and many opponents doesn’t understand is that the main reason for the project was to enhance the increasingly deficient capacity of the network, not to cut travel time for some rich big city dwellers. Rail traffic has increased a lot in Sweden since the 90’s but the infrastructure hasn’t really kept up. This have made our network very vulnerable to disturbances. Cancelling a such project in favour of “investments in the existing infrastructure” will only make it worse, since it would likely be just as expensive, take longer time and additionally cause massive disturbances in the process. Well, I get that the high speed rail project is pricy, but that’s the price you have to pay when you don’t keep your investments up to the demand. However, they recently decided to resume the planning of two sections, so I think they’re slowly realising that the cancellation was a mistake
@petter5721
@petter5721 10 ай бұрын
Mad, do you understand the cost and that it will never be cost effective due to lack of traveler’s. We cannot afford another tax funded don’t to be a big loss. Better to invest in highways and electric vehicles 👍🏻
@wasmic5z
@wasmic5z 10 ай бұрын
@@petter5721 Highways are also tax funded and don't earn any money. Also, they are much less space efficient than railways, and highways have a lot of "hidden costs" because they require nearby roads to be upgraded too, which isn't included in the cost estimate. And even then, highways usually end up being filled to capacity within a few years and then needing another expansion due to induced demand. Highways are good for servicing cities that are close to each other and for short-distance goods transport, but they're much less efficient than rail for the long distance trips, both for passengers and freight.
@stefanlindbohm
@stefanlindbohm 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, and meanwhile Trafikverket and politicians alike are happy to build huge highway projects that will only serve to induce demand for more car traffic. Somehow rail projects need to be profitable, but roads don’t :/
@ThomasGray-g9e
@ThomasGray-g9e 10 ай бұрын
​​​@@petter5721 the only services that pay for themselves is high-speed rail FFS. *Not* Roads. look up the EU study on transport externalities. *The* *Only* *One*
@PootisHasBeenEngaged
@PootisHasBeenEngaged 10 ай бұрын
You could have said the same thing exactly about hs2 in the uk. Word for word. I’m kinda mad too.
@swecreations
@swecreations 9 ай бұрын
Deregulation has been a very bad idea for trains in Sweden, speaking as a Swede
@zeus04
@zeus04 9 ай бұрын
+1
@DigiDuoo
@DigiDuoo 9 ай бұрын
+1
@tomkj5gy
@tomkj5gy 9 ай бұрын
Polish Hyperloop is approaching. Hyper Poland presented the latest technology. The Hyper Poland team wants to combine the possibilities of magnetic railways with Elon Musk's idea called Hyperloop. On railway lines, where trains can run at speeds of up to 160 km/h, mag rail vehicles can reach speeds almost twice as high (up to 300 km/h), and on high-speed lines up to 415 km/h. Only then will the modified railway tracks be covered with a vacuum cap, and after the air pressure inside the tunnel is reduced, the vehicle speed will increase to 600 km/h. Fly anywhere in the world within an hour. Elon Musk's new plan. Patented TR3B anti-gravity from Google Patents. In 2013 Polands trail train reach almost 300 km/h... Those trains and other with similar speeds - Polish (Lechian) producions - are now in use a long time.
@jesper9212
@jesper9212 9 ай бұрын
+1
@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle
@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle 9 ай бұрын
@@tomkj5gy I'll believe it when I see it. Only countries with modern technology examples are Germany, Japan, and the People's Republic of China.
@kapoioBCS
@kapoioBCS 10 ай бұрын
What is this obsession with profitability, it literally has destroyed all the projects
@ericschmitz03
@ericschmitz03 9 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video mate?
@kapoioBCS
@kapoioBCS 9 ай бұрын
@@ericschmitz03 yes i did.. my comment was not towards the creator but towards the policy makers
@MrGunnar69
@MrGunnar69 9 ай бұрын
Do you pay taxes?
@khulhucthulhu9952
@khulhucthulhu9952 9 ай бұрын
@@MrGunnar69 do you want your non-rail roads to be profitable? because they are incredibly unprofitable. but nobody expects them to, because they provide immense benefit to society! not every cost needs to be covered by direct fees, that's literally what we have government for.
@MrGunnar69
@MrGunnar69 9 ай бұрын
@@khulhucthulhu9952 Yes, of course I want to. The person who uses something must pay, not the tax collective. Nobody expects the roads to be profitable because Sweden is a socialist society, where the citizens' income is not their property but the collective's. But if you have gained all your knowledge in the democratic school, I understand that you think that things do not have to be profitable. But if you instead look around the world, roads that are paid for by tolls are nothing strange, try driving between Denmark and Sweden. Besides, how do you know that something is immense beneficial to society if it is not run for profit, through elections or dictates from the all-powerful politicians? By the way, do you mean that the government's job is to steal from the productive part of the population, I thought that now that we have a "bourgeois" government, that the government's job was to protect the citizens' property. Nah, I was just kidding, I know that even "right-wing" governments want to maximize tax revenue. Gösta Bohman was probably the last bourgeois politician who thought that people should be free, conservative today means back to Palme's and Myrdalarnas dreams of the folkhemmet.
@gus3000
@gus3000 10 ай бұрын
As a swede, on behalf of my country I'd like to say that we're greatly sorry for leading the way on deregulation. The system just doesn't work. We have a recent legacy of privatising and deregulating things to the detriment of its quality. Just don't do it. 1. The Swedish rail-system is under-dimensioned lacking capacity for both cargo and passengers. We also (nowadays) lack connections to certain medium cities and in between networks. However recently (depending on government) we have seen some badly needed, highly useful expansions such as citytunneln in Malmö, citybanan in Stockholm, Västlänken in Göteborg, expansions to Västkustbanan with a tunnel in Varberg and Helsingborg (completed in 1991), expansions to Södra Stambanan between Lund and Malmö, Hamnbanan in Göteborg, etc. All the achievements of the last 30 years are not due to deregulation or competition, but despite of it. 2. The system and its trains have been poorly maintained. Our system cannot operate at capacity during winter because "the trains have ice on them" (lack of maintenance depots). Delays are common due to the poor maintenance. People don't trust the railways and that they'll arrive in time. The general discourse from left to right is that the system is collapsing. 3. Tickets, especially those of SJ, are expensive. You can buy cheaper tickets as a result of the deregulated system but only on the two trunk-corridors between Stockholm - Göteborg, Stockholm - Malmö. As for the rest of country? Yeah no. SJ stands for the majority of long-distance train-travel (despite deregulation). It is generally cheaper to drive or fly (but those systems doesn't fully pay for all costs, so...). 4. Let's just ignore the failure that is the regional railways. And let's ignore that every budget year our regions can either spend our tax money on subsiding rail or getting the universal healthcare system to work. It might work okay in Stockholm, Västra Götaland and Skåne but the rest of Sweden....? 5. Freight prefers trucks and the trains can't compete. The trains lack access, they can't compete in price, are not reliable enough, etc. 6. The heavy-haulage of ore in Northern Sweden has recently been halted due to a derailment. The rail-link is used to max-capacity, not maintained well enough and security risk. You can read more here: thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2024/02/europes-northernmost-cross-border-railway-still-closed-two-months-ore 7. Just as a last comment. Sweden is trying to join NATO. Just recently NATO expressed that the Swedish rail-system isn't up to the task and demanded that the system should be upgraded. See the article from the Barents Observer. The deregulation-narrative in Europe is just pure bollocks. It isn't private entrepreneurs who run the railway-companies but rather companies owned by the French government, the German government, the government in Hongkong, in Singapore, etc. It just doesn't work.
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 10 ай бұрын
I've had to deal with your privatised postal "service" multiple times. PostNord suck. Who the hell actually voted to NOT have mail delivered to their property? Assuming it even shows up. I've had stuff sent to Sweden from the UK (before Brexit, it got worse since) many times and it'd be in Sweden by the end of the working day or early the next in most cases, then sit somewhere in a warehouse for several weeks. I've missed several birthdays because of this and had to start sending parcels weeks ahead of time. Even sending letters it's hilariously slow. Mail and logistics are one of the few things we seem to actually get mostly right in the UK, despite how everything else is broken. Your trains are still more reliable than here in the UK by the way. They've always been on time and comfortable when I've been there, even the regional ones.
@jossdeiboss
@jossdeiboss 9 ай бұрын
I am not Swedish but I generally agree with all your points. The private component in the rail industry can give a boost but it must stay as a "COMPONENT". For example - this depends on the specific country - the Government could divide the operations in few big areas, where private companies can bid to provide the best rail service in that area for 10-20 years. The bid must include some goals to achieve and punishments for mistakes. It should also include programs of expansions and how the subsidies are to be distributed. This allows to have a system that does not cause ticket price inflation due to the natural monopoly, allows to not close non-profitable lines and therefore guaranteeing a service similar to a state-owned company. At the same time, the Government does not need to take action every single time to tackle minor issue and basically pay a "fee" to private investors to improve the service. The bidding company could be also part of the Government itself but acts as a private entity or even a mixed state/region/private owned company.
@gus3000
@gus3000 9 ай бұрын
@@TalesOfWar Yeah, they're not appreciated but the "postal-part" of their business is dwindling (unlike "the packages part"). We don't really to mail in Sweden - pretty much everything is digital.
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 9 ай бұрын
@@gus3000 I'm on about the packages! They're so slow, and how come you have to go somewhere to pick it up? That's nice as an option, but it appears to be the default in most situations. It's like going back in time to when towns had a general store and a truck or train came through once a week to drop stuff off lol.
@ovekarlsson777
@ovekarlsson777 9 ай бұрын
Spot on! And the list doesn't stop there! We can't get our medicines because the pharmacies were privatized. No one is responsible for holding a stock of medicines so nobody does! Privately owned schools get the same amount of money per pupil as the public schools (not "public" in the British sense), thereby making huge profits from tax money while cherry picking pupils and giving them higher grades than they deserve in order to attract more pupils. The swedish MOT was also opened for private competition which was supposed to make it cheaper to MOT your car. Of course it immediately got more expensive! And so on...
@DAwdar
@DAwdar 10 ай бұрын
Is this a joke? The semi-privatization and dividing of responsibility to different companies is a disaster. Underfunded, every actor blames each other when shit goes south. Market based prices? yeah nice! now it doesn't matter when trains a cancelled, we just raise the ticket fee by double!
@DAwdar
@DAwdar 10 ай бұрын
Next title: "Britain's rail industri have transformed how the world looks at travel by rail!" "America: the new rail service role model!"
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033 10 ай бұрын
Indeed, there are a lot of things that could and should be improved. But to be fair, this video is from an international perspective and not from the one you hear in domestic media
@lordtraxroy
@lordtraxroy 10 ай бұрын
japan suffers under the result of privatisation to i mean they cut all lines from most of the villages and most trains in japan are centert around large cities
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
​@@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033 It's pure fiction
@longiusaescius2537
@longiusaescius2537 9 ай бұрын
@lordtraxroy Japan's private rail works though
@macjonte
@macjonte 9 ай бұрын
Interesting take on this. As many others written, as a swede trains are usually hated, the expression "it goes like on rails" has changed from something fast and stable to not knowing if you will get there at all. The lines are full, mostly one-track lines besides between the big cities. One late train quickly spreads to other late trains. The maintenance is often criticised for being 20 years behind. That was the reason they cancelled the big high speed train plans, if they can't maintain current system, why build new. Also heard the privatisation / competition in UK has brought the same problem there. A deeper dive into what actually is the problem and what could be done about it would be great. Thanks for a good video and of course article circle trains is interesting. They had the second derailment there just a few days ago. Traffic has been cancelled since before Christmas and the mine is loosing €10 million each day the trains isn't running.
@dthomas9230
@dthomas9230 9 ай бұрын
That's over a billion YTD.
@macjonte
@macjonte 9 ай бұрын
@@dthomas9230 A billion euros and counting, yep. I hope this is enough to get politicians to understand the importance of working railway infrastructure, and I hope that the authority in charge understands that whatever they’re doing it doesn’t work. New take needed. Maybe actually do the job instead of just ordering others with contracts.
@spiritofziana7405
@spiritofziana7405 9 ай бұрын
Like in Britain, the deregulation and splitting up of the railway system into several corporations has been more or less a disaster in Sweden. As these corporations strive to optimise profit, the Swedish rail system is slowly run down. Overage rolling stock is not replaced, maintenance is overdue, both on the rolling stock and on the rail system. Little investment is going on, and for every year, the railway gets a little worse. Not to say, that a trip on Swedish Railway can not be enjoyable, but delays and cancelled trains due to maintenance issues are very common today, much more so than before the "privatisation". Some things are better left as a government monopoly.
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033
@mansnylind-alevelcrossings6033 10 ай бұрын
As a swede, it's really interesting to hear about our raillways from an international perspective. Domestic media always portray it as being at the brink of collapse and Swedish people oftentimes think of SJ as being worse than Hitler. I don't deny that a lot of things could be improved but generally, I find taking the train in Sweden as a pleasant experience as someone who rides quite often. Our trains are comfortable, quite fast and usually on time, the media just only reports when things goes bump. Great video anyway
@anteeklund4159
@anteeklund4159 10 ай бұрын
Inhabitants of any country usually think their rail network is the worst in the world
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 10 ай бұрын
I'm from the UK and have visited Sweden several times. If people there think your rail is bad they should visit the UK. Allow for several extra hours on any planned journey time as it's likely to be cancelled with a bus replacement service. Or just cancelled outright, no replacement. Moments before it's due to arrive.
@jossdeiboss
@jossdeiboss 9 ай бұрын
Even Japanese people complain that their trains are late. I am not kidding.
@fresagrus4490
@fresagrus4490 9 ай бұрын
As swede who works with Railways: it is one of the most delayed railways of Europe, specially the minute you step out of greater Stockholm, for absolutely revolting prices. It isn't the "domestic media". I see it everyday. Deregulation destroyed Swedish railways
@Antesyd
@Antesyd 9 ай бұрын
@@jossdeiboss If the train is 30 seconds late the management commit suicide... In Sweden it's impossible to find people responsible for anything.
@BLACKSTA361
@BLACKSTA361 10 ай бұрын
Aa far as Railways go Sweden is quite underrated Stockholm also has a good RER/Metro/Tram network yet no one seems to be talking about it ever Good video
@hansmuller1625
@hansmuller1625 9 ай бұрын
On my last visit to Stockholm i made it a point to only travel on public transport. It worked out well, until it was time to go to Bromma airport. The train simply didn't show up. So i had to grab a taxi in a hurry. Luckily there was one waiting right at the station.
@spiritofziana7405
@spiritofziana7405 9 ай бұрын
That is the problem. Reliability. The taxi is actually paid by the local transport authority, SL, they have a delay guarantee. That also means, that a lot of money is spent on compensating commuters for taxi trips instead of putting this money to use in the system. Of course, You have to apply for your compensation subsequently.@@hansmuller1625
@Chrisivisi
@Chrisivisi 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the line to Narvik is out of service since December last year due to derailment. Heavy weather made repairs challenging. It was fixed earler this week but derailment happened again. In local media sabotaged is managed
@andreasask6791
@andreasask6791 5 ай бұрын
Maybe it was more profitable for the maintenance contractor to maintain as little as legally possible instead of maintaining the line with long term vision.
@Ebhen1
@Ebhen1 10 ай бұрын
Well, the Swedish railway system may have been good 30 years ago but today it is backtracking in an alarming speed. The free competition on the market have brought several companies who ONLY think about profit and when the regional politicians buy train service for a coming period they don't understand fully what they are doing so they only goes for the lowest bid and the passengers are the losers. Cuts, staff efficiency and other profit-promoting savings have caused many delays and canceled trains. The staff flee these companies as their personnel management is under all criticism and the working environment is abysmal. Competence flees and the young and inexperienced get the jobs, and this also means that the service becomes worse, of course, as they lack the necessary experience. In the end, the safety of the Swedish railway is compromised. This has completely destroyed trust in the railway companies and the travelers would rather drive than take the train as they know they will arrive then. International companies like MTR have entered the playing field and are now the most hated and disrespected company in the railway business. They have lost ALL their contracts bar one, but that one hangs on the fence as well and they will probably be kicked out of that contract too in just few years. We who work in the railway section sees this daily and many of us fear the future for Swedish railway. We do what we can for the passengers but when our hands are tied behind our backs by these profiteers... well, you can imagine.
@petter5721
@petter5721 10 ай бұрын
It is not true, most trains are on time and the most delays are because of rolling stock problems.
@Ebhen1
@Ebhen1 10 ай бұрын
@@petter5721 Its a combination of problems of course but much is connected to companies and Trafikverket that are trying to save money on several planes.
@laurilahtinen307
@laurilahtinen307 9 ай бұрын
The situation definitely hasn't been great in the south of Sweden over the past couple of years. At one point there seemed to be delays on almost a daily basis due to either switch or overhead wire faults, carriage or personnel shortages, faulty vehicles and so on. Plus, a major strike almost happened due to decaying working conditions about a year ago. They seemed to be moving towards the U.S. freight rail model of staff having to constantly be prepared to be on duty etc. Thankfully, the strike was averted at the last minute due to some concessions to the workers. I believe they now have to announce a shift change no later than two weeks in advance which is something I guess? Tbf, some delays were attributable to major capacity upgrades on the southern main line and apparently unauthorised people near the tracks a lot of the time. The upgrade is now complete but mant of the other problems seem to remain, however. Also, some hilariously botched translations did pop up in the Skånetrafiken app occasionally, such as "sturgeon in the train traffic".
@Bunnyroo7
@Bunnyroo7 9 ай бұрын
Compared to Denmark, Sweden is a rail paradise.
@fresagrus4490
@fresagrus4490 9 ай бұрын
@@petter5721 "most trains are on time" WOW, so 51% of punctuality is a fantastic performance? As someone who works in the railways most delays are due to deficient track infrastructure. You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
@aatox
@aatox 9 ай бұрын
Actually Västtrafik - the agency responsible for public transport in Western Sweden and the second biggest city Gothenburg - ordered 45 units of Zefiro Express back in 2018, way before SJ ordered its 25 trains. Västtrafik will designate them as X80. The first of these were supposed be in operation already in 2021, but the pandemic and other obstacles have pushed back that plan. The first test units have been rigorously tested in harsh winter conditions in northern Sweden (seldom experienced in Western Sweden) and some issues were discovered that delayed the delivery of the series further. Now the first trains are expected to enter service in April 2025 and the rest of the 45 trains will be delivered quite fast thereafter. They will be used both for regional lines throughout Västra Götaland and the commuter rail network in the Greater Gothenburg area (through the new rail tunnel link Västlänken, completion delayed from 2026 to at least 2029).
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
Västlänken currently due for completion 2033 at earliest. Currently stalled due to no money. Trafikverket were warned about the very difficult geological conditions but ignored them. The curves on Västlänken are so sharp that I wonder if the X80 will fit. Stupid design with doors in the wrong place.
@aatox
@aatox 9 ай бұрын
@@physiocrat7143 “2033 at earliest” says no one, except the very loud critics. The current forecast is between 2029 and 2032, with 2030 as the most probable year for completion, according to Trafikverket. The station at Centralen will actually open as a terminus already in 2026. Why wouldn’t X80 fit in the tunnels? Has this concern actually been voiced somewhere or is this just your own theory?
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
@@aatox Completion in 2033 at the earliest, say the critics - which is pretty much everyone except Trafikverket, whose baby it is. The station at Centralen is poorly located for interchange with buses and trams at Drottningtorget. Why might the X80 trains not fit the tunnels? Information released suggests that the trains are 80 metres long in three cars compared to the X61 which are 75 metres long in four (articulated) cars. Longer vehicles give rise to more overthrow on curves. Given that Västlänken has some sharp curves, there might be problems ahead. It would not be the first time. The 1973 Piccadilly Line stock did not fit the tunnels, and trains including the British Rail class 158 and some recent trains for France needed remedial work to the infrastructure before they could run. I am not say that they will not fit but I hope someone has taken the trouble to check. Changes to the infrastructure in Britain have been so extensive that former Great Western Railway locomotives can now run over most of the system, which they never could in the past.
@aatox
@aatox 9 ай бұрын
@@physiocrat7143I don’t think that Drottningtorget is at all too far from Västlänken’s station Centralen. It’s like claiming that Nils Ericson Bus Terminal is too far from Drottningtorget. And remember that the Nordstaden is adjacent to one of the coming entrances to the station, with many bus and tram lines. With the new tram connections towards Lindholmen - and later Brunnsbo and under the river to Stigbergstorget and Linnéplatsen - we will also get brand new routes and connections and Nordstaden will most certainly grow to an even more important point for interchange. One must not be stuck in how the traffic flow is and has been until now. And anyway, people change between trains, commuter trains and the underground in Stockholm at a station like Stockholm C/City/T-Centralen with quite long distances between the various platforms and it’s still seen as a cohesive interchange despite that. It’s more important that people can move efficiently between the different areas.
@MartinNew14
@MartinNew14 10 ай бұрын
Perhaps because they implemented advanced technologies, such as signaling systems, high-speed trains, and promoted competition in the sector, leading to significant improvements in the efficiency, safety, and comfort of rail transportation in the country. However, in recent years, there has been a lack of innovation and new railway lines.
@polishstick0609
@polishstick0609 10 ай бұрын
No matter what, Polish railways are still shit compared to the Swedish ones.
@macjonte
@macjonte 9 ай бұрын
Botniabanan is an example of new railway line with significant impact. Now they’re building the north part. But yes, they should really have more double tracks, it’s too little rails for this many trains. And big needs for refurbishment.
@lubricustheslippery5028
@lubricustheslippery5028 9 ай бұрын
@@macjonteIt's said that it's only one track not double. So it's capacity was barely enough when newly build.
@macjonte
@macjonte 9 ай бұрын
@@lubricustheslippery5028 Sadly yes. Apparently they’ve made preparations to make double later, but the huge pile of money was not enough for double this time. As far as I know there is no double tracks north of Gävle?
@philipgibbard304
@philipgibbard304 10 ай бұрын
The pictures at 1.38 and 1.44 are not SJ, but Finnish state railways VR.
@one_under_all
@one_under_all 10 ай бұрын
1:38 - 1:44
@roulernbleu4532
@roulernbleu4532 10 ай бұрын
Yes, Dr13 by Alsthom. The Nez Cassé before the Nez Cassé.
@counterfit5
@counterfit5 10 ай бұрын
2:52 is in Rhode Island. That's the old Pawtucket/Central Falls station.
@MultiMediaEmperor
@MultiMediaEmperor 9 ай бұрын
@@one_under_all 1:39 - 1:51
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
The old fashioned signalling is British. Very sloppy vid.
@Fluxwux
@Fluxwux 9 ай бұрын
The main problems with Swedish railways is 1. Privatization and deregulation which has made the entire system less organized and more underfunded/understaffed. 2. The extremely frugal Swedish 1990s era economic policies (implemented during the economic crisis at the time, but is 100% obsolete for 2024) still in place today 30 years later that hinder any meaningful major railway investments (like the high speed rail project and many other initiatives alongside maintenance). Sweden has among the lowest national debts in the developed world and a almost religious policy of always running a 1% of the national budget economic surplus - so a much needed multi billion dollar investment in rail will not be approved because the 1% surplus goal will be “threatened”. Even if this paradoxically is leading to chronic underfunding of infrastructure that is severely harming the entire Swedish economy… When we have well above the money and economic stability needed to pull such investments off without leading to massive debt or instability.
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 10 ай бұрын
I would like to see the video of the arctic circle trains.
@sa3iiid89
@sa3iiid89 9 ай бұрын
I think a video about railway operations in extreme climate conditions like the arctic circle would be very interesting. Great content btw 🙏👍🏼
@МаксимСтепанов-м6ч
@МаксимСтепанов-м6ч 10 ай бұрын
6:36 It doesn't look so good for Sweden when Germany and Poland have better quality of service values
@lordtraxroy
@lordtraxroy 10 ай бұрын
funny how germans hate they own railway company while nations like uk suffers under result of radical privatisation germany at least has better trains per se but the delays are an issue of its own because germany is dense and overcrowded at least germany can produce really good trains because siemens
@mrual
@mrual 9 ай бұрын
if you see a train that is on time in sweden then that is the same odds of winning the lottery that has a prize pool of 1 billion dollars. Can guarantee that trains in Bangladesh is on-time more than the trains in sweden
@Martin-ud6qz
@Martin-ud6qz 9 ай бұрын
Had Some friends who got delayed by 5 hours, still some room for improvment, specially in the rail quality.
@carl6589
@carl6589 10 ай бұрын
Sweden have a lot of problems with rail traffic, but most of them is do to Trafikverket not keeping up with maintenance and not SJ.
@davebowman6497
@davebowman6497 9 ай бұрын
You got the logo for "The Swdish institute for traffic analysis" all wrong. The logo you show is for Svenska Institutet ("Swedish Institute") which is "a public agency that promotes interest and trust in Sweden around the world".
@fresagrus4490
@fresagrus4490 9 ай бұрын
"Swedish Railways are one of the most efficient railways systems in Europe" Gosh, two seconds into video and you know the guy doesn't know bollocks of what he is talking about. Then he starts praising the deregulation that every expert, person involved in the industry or anyone that has a clue knows it is to blame for this. Solely because "everyone else in Europe does that now".
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
The vid is Pure BS.
@user-zh9kc7tw4n
@user-zh9kc7tw4n 9 ай бұрын
Oh dear Should not mention the the delays and cancelled trains of the last year.
@kronop8884
@kronop8884 9 ай бұрын
The latest status in Sweden is that those responsible calls the current situation a national disaster. There is a saying that "A revolution eats its own children" which is certainly the case in Sweden, the rail system has been on a steady decline in quality of service, punctuality and maintenance since with the different actors more often than not blame each other for the shortcomings of the system.
@SeverityOne
@SeverityOne 10 ай бұрын
A video about the Swedish ore trains would be much appreciated. It's all good and well to make a profit, but a government should not aim to make run a profit. Why not, you ask? Well, because it makes taxpayers poorer. If a government runs a profit, it means that people and/or companies make a loss. Yes, a government should run a balanced budget, and pay off its debts, but profitability is a different kettle of fish. Regarding Trafikverket, the Dutch equivalent would be Rijkswaterstaat, which is responsible for national government-owned roads, bridges and waterways - but not the railways. Those are maintained by ProRail (not to be confused with RailPro). Some 10 years ago, when ProRail were struggling, there were suggestions that Rijkswaterstaat should take over the railways. Things have improved since then, and it looks like ProRail will remain independent (though 100% government-owned).
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 10 ай бұрын
The UK equivalent is Network Rail. They're responsible for most of the physical infrastructure like the track, singling, bridges etc and operate many stations. A lot of stations are privately owned by the companies who run services to them but they run on Network Rail erm... rail lol. The government have been reducing their budget constantly which has lead to more failures on the network, but thankfully not so many derailments or crashes but that's all but inevitable with how little they have to work with these days. They took over from the private company Rail Track who priorities shareholder value rather than providing a service. Many people died, so the government took ownership and everything improved. I think all critical infrastructure should be owned by the public, OR VERY heavily regulated. It simply working as it should benefits wider society and business by virtue of people being more mobile and able to get to and from work better or move goods around, thus more money to tax.
@alexandrsmerdin
@alexandrsmerdin 10 ай бұрын
It is very interesting Arctic trains. I hope you will make video about North railways
@cykeldoktorn4241
@cykeldoktorn4241 9 ай бұрын
you förgot to mention not many are satisfied, it is not working well är all
@alexandernevalainen
@alexandernevalainen 9 ай бұрын
the passenger train company that serves the rail near me invested in bombardier trains and there is a lot of problems with those trains. lots of cancellations in the winter and the ac not working in the summer making the trains into rolling saunas, the old SJ trains didn't have these problems but they also didn't have ac but at least you were able to open a window to get some fresh air
@ratscha8698
@ratscha8698 10 ай бұрын
There cannot be enough videos on Malmbanan.
@danielcraig243
@danielcraig243 9 ай бұрын
Would be very cool to know more about the arctic freight trains!
@michaelguerin56
@michaelguerin56 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this illuminating video. A video on the ore railway, from your viewpoint, would be of interest to me.
@frida507
@frida507 9 ай бұрын
It's not illuminating at all, unfortunately he doesn't seem to have any knowledge about how the Swedish railway system perfoms in reality.
@michaelguerin56
@michaelguerin56 9 ай бұрын
@frida507 I meant 'illuminating' as in a starting point for research. I see this video, with all due respect, as an introduction, rather than a definitive treatment. I also watch channels such as Forgotten Weapons which includes a certain amount of absolute nonsense about some firearms, but is still a useful resource.
@jermainetrainallen6416
@jermainetrainallen6416 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Very informative
@brunosemedo81
@brunosemedo81 10 ай бұрын
Very good video! And yes, Malmbanan is very interesting in my opinion... all the way to Narvik!
@coasterblocks3420
@coasterblocks3420 9 ай бұрын
Always great videos. There is a subject I’d like you to cover in detail as finding info on the interwebs is surprising sparse and difficult. That subject is the different types of rail bogies, regular versus jacobs and how the different articulation points matter to ride comfort and safety, advantages and disadvantages for maintenance and operations.
@erik_griswold
@erik_griswold 10 ай бұрын
Love the Finnish locomotive at 1:41
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
And the British semaphore signals.
@kanaanite
@kanaanite 9 ай бұрын
Swedish railways are a disaster compared to before privatization. I assume this is some sort of propaganda channel for the industry.
@davidemmyg
@davidemmyg 10 ай бұрын
Competition only works for a while before the service deteriorates and the corporations monopolise. It's almost like we do the same mistakes again and again
@apollonmagg4603
@apollonmagg4603 9 ай бұрын
Why are the Tickets soooooooooo expensive?
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
Because the system is so inefficient. Thousands of miles with spatse traffic are electrified. 53% of labour costs in Sweden are tax. The customers have to pay. This video is fantasy.
@magma2680
@magma2680 9 ай бұрын
used to cost about 850 SEK for 1 month pass in Uppsala, now 1030, a near 18% price increase. Those were the prices in 2020 and now these are the prices in 2024, pretty ridiculous. It used to be fine with you being able to get the discounted 25 SEK short term ticket if you used in-app credit but now to "simplify" things they've hiked the same ticket up to 39 SEK , the justification being that now you can also travel everywhere across the region with those 75 minutes and that they work from the moment you get into the bus. Certainly doesn't make the ticket inspectors any less passive aggresive or any less trigger happy with fines.
@RailwayNetworks
@RailwayNetworks 10 ай бұрын
Excellent as always 😉👍
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
Mostly fiction.
@philthai99
@philthai99 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@Amego9002
@Amego9002 9 ай бұрын
What he is not talking about is also, if a train is 5 min or more, your train Host will try to stop your conecting train if they can or you can ride whit next train whit no extra cost.
@fresagrus4490
@fresagrus4490 9 ай бұрын
This is common practice in pretty much every single railway everywhere.
@touyats1
@touyats1 9 ай бұрын
The very fact that the Transport Act 1963 resulted in massive cuts to lines and services points to the fact that the purpose of the reorganization of Sweden's rail industry was to kill as much as possible of it to favor cars.... and the budget rule to make a profit was the instrument to achive that. These were the 60ies after all; people needed to go out and buy petrol cars. Today, the right wind governemnt of Sweden cancelled HSR because people need to go out and buy EVs.
@jmolofsson
@jmolofsson 9 ай бұрын
Nope, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory.
@Deckzwabber
@Deckzwabber 9 ай бұрын
Yes I would like to hear more about the train to Kiruna.
@scottmarquardt3575
@scottmarquardt3575 9 ай бұрын
When I lived in San Francisco in 1997 it cost me $18 a day to use the light rail plus a couple short bus routes only a few miles to work and back. That would be over $30 today.
@longiusaescius2537
@longiusaescius2537 9 ай бұрын
@scottmarquardt3575 if don't get stabbed by needles
@milasudril
@milasudril 9 ай бұрын
40% in mass Iron ore. Because iron ore is heavier than timber, which you also see a lot on the rail network.
@Brickblock1wastaken
@Brickblock1wastaken 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to add one small correction. At one point you mentioned that all of the state owned tracks were maintained by Trafikverket, this isn't the case with both Inlandsbanan and arlandabanan which are maintained by Inlandsbanan ab and atrain respectively.
@gustavsturksteinwall4027
@gustavsturksteinwall4027 10 ай бұрын
Are they state owned?
@zerocool6452
@zerocool6452 10 ай бұрын
@@gustavsturksteinwall4027 No
@Brickblock1wastaken
@Brickblock1wastaken 10 ай бұрын
@@gustavsturksteinwall4027 yes as in the track but maintained by private or public companies
@ProsandCons26
@ProsandCons26 9 ай бұрын
Definitely want a video on Artic train movement 👍
@valle2601
@valle2601 9 ай бұрын
As a swede in a small town, being able to hop on a train and be in a big city in 30-40 minutes is sick. But it's defenetly not perfect
@KimFareseed
@KimFareseed 9 ай бұрын
11:48 Do like the colour that the graffiti brings to the old freight cars.
@Snoopy4K
@Snoopy4K 9 ай бұрын
Hi. A spectator from Germany. Our privatization is a complete disaster in Germany. Punctuality rates have been falling for years and frustration is increasing. The rail network is old, unreliable and simply too small. There has been little to no expansion for years, unless it is a prestige project. The simplest things like expanding the platforms (e.g. to make them handicapped accessible) or expanding information technology are not making any progress. The timing of all the passenger trains is poor and simply a hindrance due to the fact that they are split between several companies. Agreements between each other are sometimes not even possible and often result in passengers not being able to reach their connection because it is a different company. None of this would exist in a single state-owned company. In addition, the whole thing is extremely inflexible, which often leads to irrational actions. And all of this is unnecessarily financed by the people in Germany, even though they should actually benefit from it. In the 90s, all railway workers could have been made civil servants, which would have made the professions more attractive and prevented strikes that are currently paralyzing the railway system. Only the freight railways make a good impression when it comes to privatization, as they work relatively flexibly. But the rail network and all passenger transport are simply suffering, which is why I would even nationalize them again. But something like that doesn't look good in the country's financial planning in Germany as a car country. I'm sorry for an mistakes. My English is not the yellow from the egg.
@armorgeddon
@armorgeddon 9 ай бұрын
Some good information in this video, however it was ruined by the clickbait title, which is also factually wrong, and the fact that mostly everywhere where countries put all or some parts of the railway system into private market competition it made the system much worse. Profitability has no place in traffic infrastructure, which is vital to any functioning country, and it also has no place in public transportation at all, it's against the whole idea of public transportation. The worst example of private infrastucture that comes to my mind is the collapse of that huge highway bridge in Genoa, Italy, where maintenance was sacrifice for profit.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
Very misleading video.
@Ereko1
@Ereko1 9 ай бұрын
Trains in sweden are never on time 😂
@ivo3111
@ivo3111 9 ай бұрын
privatisation is not a good solution nor is it a "revolution"
@northbreeze0198
@northbreeze0198 10 ай бұрын
Is this a joke? I'm Swedish and the trains runs worse than ever. Maintenance is a joke as well, it's so underfinanced it's not even funny. Many, many departures are cancelled each day and it's affecting huge amounts of travelers and ppl commuting to work. It's NOT something for the rest of Europe to look up to. It's the opposite!
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
If Sweden is one of the most efficient railways, the rest most be really bad. Byzantine fares structure, inflexible and difficult to use booking system, horrible trains, constant delays and breakdowns. . I was once stuck in a Sweden forest for four hours due to the SJ train bringing down Trafikverket's overhead wires. That would have resulted in a complex dispute as to who was liable. This is the result of the Swedish/UK/EU model which is not vertically integrated Trafikverket is the incompetent body which ignored advice by geologists and went ahead with the useless Västlänken project, currently stalled and out of money, half way through. The newer trains are very rough riding and presumably smash up the track as well, and the forthcoming ones are not promising; the doors are in the wrong place for a start. The Gothenburg to Stockholm main line needs to be made four track over certain busy sections as freight trains have to run too fast as they share the line with passenger trains, which also damages the track; there are long stretches of "roaring rails". We do not need any high speed railways, however. There is not the volume of passenger traffic or potential traffic. There are thousands of miles of electrified railways where the traffic is so sparse that electrification can never have been worth the cost of putting up and maintaining the wires. The low frequency electrification system is 70 years out of date. Incredible railway story indeed. Fantasy fiction. Do the people who made this video know anything at all about the subject? Why is there a photograph of British semaphore signals?
@Bunnyroo7
@Bunnyroo7 9 ай бұрын
Go to Denmark. You'll fall in love with SJ after dealing with DSB.
@RailwaysExplained
@RailwaysExplained 9 ай бұрын
Come to Serbia. We literally only have three lines that make sense for passengers 🥲
@Jormunguandr
@Jormunguandr 9 ай бұрын
Let's not talk about maintenance nor about the ore route in the north. I'm embarrassed on behalf of the government 😅
@Junedmx
@Junedmx 10 ай бұрын
Sweden baby❤❤❤
@randomgeocacher
@randomgeocacher 9 ай бұрын
Rant: I would not trust Swedish government numbers on arrival accuracy… plain garbage numbers. been stuck on an “arrived” train for 15 minutes while they tried to get a parking spot. That is perhaps an extreme outlier but fudging the definition of “arrived” etc. helps SJ and other train vendors to seem artificially better than reality. Maybe the failures are remembered better than the successes, but I would wager most Swedes agree the biggest problem with trains is that you have no F’ing idea on when you will arrive. If I have an important time to keep I need to arrive the night before the meeting has been my business travel rule for the last 15-20 years and I think unacceptably late (20+min) is more common than not. I think trains are great for the environment and not needing to deal with airport security… but… Swedish trains are so stressful because you cannot trust them farther than you can throw them. I mean the premise of this video, that trains in Sweden work, it’s relies on garbage data from numbers fudged by SJ/Trafikverket. If you would would have an independent real world measurement on when first passenger actually can depart the the train, Swedish trains suddenly would fare much worse. That’s my theory anyway, too many times “arrived” trains are stuck at central not even parked. If all other countries would count non-arrived train as arrived, suddenly all those other countries could be amazing too. Sigh sigh sigh. It is so silly we waste resources on fooling other countries that our train system works, which it doesn’t. For the record, 90+% of my business travel is by train, and during periods of my life I did a lot of business travel. So it is my main mode of travel and also one of the reasons I try to minimize the travel, too many times stuck on train… there’s no word for how annoying it is being “arrived” and looking out at your city, wondering when the heck your train will enter and let people depart. Swedish train system sucks, our numbers are lies, and the Japan model with less shared resources works infinitely better.
@theonlyguyman
@theonlyguyman 9 ай бұрын
The Arctic Ore Trains of Sweden 🇸🇪 Please 🙏
@lordtraxroy
@lordtraxroy 10 ай бұрын
ngl its so disapointing how germany just privatised the entire railway company instead of keeping the rail tracks nationalized
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 ай бұрын
In the winter time swedish railways are very far from reliable and efficient. This winter EVERY my train travel in sweden include cancellations and delays.
@petter5721
@petter5721 10 ай бұрын
Statistics say differently, 94% of all trains are on time in Sweden.
@mikeromadin8744
@mikeromadin8744 10 ай бұрын
@@petter5721 statistics even could say 146%... i just tell about my personal experience and that experience unfortunately very bad. My colleagues from Ludvika confirmed - cancellations and huge delays is usual thing during the winter time with SJ
@HowDoYouEatPie
@HowDoYouEatPie 9 ай бұрын
​@@petter5721it was 87% last year...
@Bunnyroo7
@Bunnyroo7 9 ай бұрын
Try Denmark. At least in Sweden there is an excuse. The Danes can't cope with their windy, rainy, forsaken by the sun little sandbank.
@rebeccawinter472
@rebeccawinter472 9 ай бұрын
This semi-privatization has just been proposed for Canada, specifically as it relates to the passenger rail service in the busy corridor between Windsor and Quebec City (including Toronto & Montreal). Basically government will own the tracks but a private entity will run the service. We’ll see how that goes. 🙄
@marclemieux8269
@marclemieux8269 3 ай бұрын
If it ever gets built!
@tomasbengtsson5157
@tomasbengtsson5157 9 ай бұрын
This video completely misrepresent the actual situation. Before the deregulation trains arrived on time. They did not get cancelled because of winter ❄️. You could actually send goods and rely on it getting to the destination in time. Nowadays trains are late or cancelled to the point it’s impossible to rely on them if you have any time to keep. You can not take the long distance train to the airport as an example, because you have no idea if you will arrive in time unless you have at least 6h margin. You can not send goods unless you send containers or bulk that doesn’t have a deadline. Before you could send pallets and rely on the goods arriving safely and on time. This completely broke down in the 90s so everything is not transported on roads. Lastly the maintenance, development and safety is a complete disaster. Sweden is several billion dollars behind in maintenance and development of the railroad system. If we start now it would realistically take 20 years before we are where the Swedish railroad should be in a modern day society. The only reason Sweden may end up high on a list is that there are other countries that have failed harder. 😅 This is NOT a success!
@kimlaursen8224
@kimlaursen8224 10 ай бұрын
Railways Explained: was it possible you can cover the company: Nevomo’s Magrail technology🚄 in an upcoming video? And your thoughts on this? You said before last year was over, when can we expect this😉?
@vgrundea52
@vgrundea52 9 ай бұрын
I don't understand that Sweden stands higher than Belgium while only half of the train rails in Sweden while train transport in Belgium is a lot denser
@jossdeiboss
@jossdeiboss 9 ай бұрын
Yes, please describe the iron ore operation please please please! :D As for the high speed project, we actually need to see the plan in detail and the timescale. Of course the high speed line is expensive but, if it is a 40 years project, you can easily afford it. That said, before investing in High speed, it's important to evaluate if the new system will actually cut travelling times by a lot...I would say half the time AND if this cut in time cannot be achieved by double/quadruple conventional tracks. Furthermore, the high speed service should cost as much as the current long distance services. So, yes, I like High speed trains, but we need to look at the detailed situation before making a judgement. For example, the famous Japanese Shinkansen was built because the conventional line was EXTREMELY busy and the new high speed line would have cut half the journey time between Tokyo and Osaka. If Swedish Railway is already providing a 250 km/h service along main line, probably a strategic quadruplication would be enough to get a continuous 250 km/h service (basically making the lines independent from each other but without the costs of excessive tunneling and bridges). This would improve punctuality on all services and increase capacity without committing to very expensive projects.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
We need additional low speed capacity for freight. It has to run fast to keep out of the way of the passenger trains. This destroys the track and wastes energy.
@kennethenberg2536
@kennethenberg2536 9 ай бұрын
När kan SJ hålla tidtabellen så wow...
@ReNameMe
@ReNameMe 9 ай бұрын
as a swede, if your trains dont run, why would it matter if they are high speed or not ?_?
@1960alftupper
@1960alftupper 10 ай бұрын
Question will then Zefiro trains tilt?
@StefanWithTrains
@StefanWithTrains 10 ай бұрын
No, it won't.
@yhubtfufvcfyfc
@yhubtfufvcfyfc 9 ай бұрын
I don't think the Y shaped approach is optimal for Sweden; I would rather have improvements to the current triangle. There are 3 large population centres around Stockholm, Gothenburg and Skåne (the south) that together has about half the Swedish population. This would obviously be bad for the the far interior parts of the country, like Jönköping, but this is worth it given the shorter travel time between the population centres and the greater access for the more coastal population.
@SamsonOhsem
@SamsonOhsem 9 ай бұрын
Very good train from Sweden
@ejjes
@ejjes 9 ай бұрын
The only thing we're revolutionizing in rail here in Sweden is rapid system-wide collapse due to underinvestment and poor decisionmaking. Our train service is laughably terrible and is getting worse every year.
@nomercynodragonforyou9688
@nomercynodragonforyou9688 9 ай бұрын
Cool story bro
@marianconstantindumitriu6062
@marianconstantindumitriu6062 10 ай бұрын
arctic circle trains yes!
@koppadasao
@koppadasao 9 ай бұрын
Soon SJ will rename itself from Statens Järnvägar to Scandinaviske Järnvägar...
@gustavsturksteinwall4027
@gustavsturksteinwall4027 10 ай бұрын
i like trains
@Tobberobbe97
@Tobberobbe97 9 ай бұрын
Not to trash talk your channel in any way, but Swedish rail system in 2024 is a complete joke. There was a old saying "It runs like the train", where it was working flawlessly, but today, if you do not care when you will arrive, you can take the train somewhere. Usually it costs more than taking a car, and very often you arrive late anyway.
@danieltalmid6333
@danieltalmid6333 9 ай бұрын
THIS must be a joke? Last year had the largest amount of time delays on train ever! Most people dread taking train to work because it's almost always late and often canceled. A few weeks ago the crucial "ore"route that transport raw ore from the north brokedown completely. BTW i am a Swede who has used rail regularly.
@paulbennett772
@paulbennett772 9 ай бұрын
Perhaps someone can explain why this obvious success can't be repeated in England? Speaking from Darlington, where it all started.
@ovekarlsson777
@ovekarlsson777 9 ай бұрын
"Obvious success" is the very last word that comes to mind if you actually try to go by train in Sweden... I have a 300 km journey to visit my youngest daughter. Due to a total breakdown of my car I was forced to take the train about a year ago. The journey took approximately twice the time compared to going by car, six hours instead of a bit over three hours by car. And on the way home there was a fourty minute delay on top of that. Half a year later I took the train to my oldest daughter 150 km away... Another fourty minute delay! I take the car whenever possible! Though once you sit in the train seat it is pretty decent.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
Such success. You shouldn't know of it. SJ was quite good about 15 years ago. It's history.
@randomgeocacher
@randomgeocacher 9 ай бұрын
Sweden fudges the numbers, the statistics are fiction. A Swedish train is often counted as arrived when stuck at central waiting for a track to depart passengers at. Ask your UK government to count the same way as Sweden does and tomorrow you’ll instantly be as great as Sweden is! So don’t worry you have nothing to envy, Swedish train is inaccurate and trains “arrive” before they actually arrived. So the problem is that the premise of the video is wrong because Swedens stats are fudged. I don’t know if there exists any source of data that compares UK to SE that measures arrival accuracy in the same manner. It’s funny how Sweden did Covid statistics better than most other countries (measured Covid in dead patients etc) and therefor looked much worse than other countries, but when it comes to trains we do the opposite and make ourselves look much better than we are. Unless you know the inherent biases introduced by how you measure, you cannot compare two countries. You must know what biases the way they measure and try to account for those differences. Here I suspect bad data with biases is a major contributor to the notion that Sweden’s broken train system is working smoothly.
@frida507
@frida507 9 ай бұрын
There is no success unfortunately... It's a mess!
@Adawck
@Adawck 9 ай бұрын
The fun thing with unregulated railways in Europe is that other stately owned companies drives the trains in different countries. It’s just plain stupidity.
@Gsoda35
@Gsoda35 9 ай бұрын
the railway is essential to society to ensure a less toxic environment for everyone's lungs.
@mackankinghansen
@mackankinghansen 7 ай бұрын
the reason why the trains in Sweden don't keep the times is because Sweden's railway network is overloaded, there are a lot of regional trains and freight on Swedish railways today and two tracks are not enough to provide and give Sweden that the trains must keep the times, I don't understand people who praise that Sweden's are going to build a brand new high-speed railway for several millions of money when we first cannot ensure that we have a railway today that does not work how do we solve the problem? yes we are building four tracks between Stockholm/malmö/Gothenburg so the regional trains and the freight trains have their own tracks and the high speed trains have their tracks much better to do it that way instead and when the tunnel between Denmark and Germany is finished the freight trains will increase in Sweden very much and where will those trains go? because you can't mix freight trains with high-speed trains, because then we already have an imbalance in the traffic. I think Sweden should use the railway that exists and build four tracks between the three big cities in Sweden. When it's done, then Sweden can focus on high-speed railways that Sweden must build completely new high-speed railways before the congestion on the existing railways has been solved, then I say no to completely new high-speed railways
@Hession0Drasha
@Hession0Drasha 10 ай бұрын
Does the system deliver good value for money, for the public? Or is it overpriced, for an albiet good level of service?
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 10 ай бұрын
Or is it like the UK train system? Poor service and high ticket prices? Or as is often the case, no service at all. The rail operators are laughing at us here. They get fare increases every year by inflation, by LAW, and are heavily subsidised regardless of their performance. They get paid by the tax payer even if they aren't running a service. They actually prefer the staff being on strike because it means they aren't having to spend anything on providing a service while still getting money from us all by virtue of how heavily beneficial the terms of the deregulation legislation was written in their favour. In some rare instances they lose the franchise and it's given to someone else or taken over by the government. Interestingly the services taken over by the government tend to... be good, or at least improve noticeably.
@gullijons9135
@gullijons9135 10 ай бұрын
I'd say the level of service at SJ is generally very good but it's too pricey. Most of the time it's cheaper for me to drive alone in my car between Stockholm and Malmö even though that's one of the two main corridors in the rail system. The difference in travel time is considerable (two and half hours each way) but instead I get a lower price and full control over when I travel. It is possible to get cheap tickets but you have to buy them quite a lot in advance so if you don't know you want to travel in two months you have no chance of getting a cheap enough ticket to compete with driving.
@hansmuller1625
@hansmuller1625 9 ай бұрын
It's much too expensive. A train ticket is typically almost as expensive as flying.
@shefles
@shefles 9 ай бұрын
Stockholm - Gothenburg = Roughly a 430km or 4.5h train ride that will cost you 350 sek if booked in advance or almost 1000 sek if booked the same day. occasional delays but often not. Always clean inside the carts and you will find commodities like free wifi, charging outlets, barista cart and acceptable legroom on second class seats.
@davebowman6497
@davebowman6497 9 ай бұрын
​@@gullijons9135The distance from Malmö to Stockholm is roughly 550 km. The ballpark estimate of the cost of driving a car 1 km might be 2 SEK. So 1100 SEK, one way. The price of a train ticket - on the day I write this 700-1200 SEK - Five days ahead 470-1200 SEK - Two weeks ahead 350-1000 SEK The high prices are on par with driving a car. The low prices win over the car with good margin. Granted, for the big holidays travel days the train tickets will be more expensive, if at all available, unless you book well in advance. But the dates of big holidays should come as no surprise.
@Chobaca
@Chobaca 9 ай бұрын
We have big problems with the railways in Sweden due to very lacking maintenance of the tracks during the last 40 years or something like that.
@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer
@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer 9 ай бұрын
The railway system in Sweden is less reliable than in Ukraine despite the ongoing war.
@peepa47
@peepa47 5 ай бұрын
I dont understand how this channel has so few subscribers. And then you have channel about surviving one week with 1 dollar, or drivethru food testing with 16 millions subscribers. Or overeating challenges with millions of subs..Really tells a lot about most viewers inteligence
@nigelmorley5414
@nigelmorley5414 10 ай бұрын
widespread across europe - except in the uk !
@123Ryanist
@123Ryanist 9 ай бұрын
When this guy talks about efficiency, he only talks about money and not the consequences of the privatisation of the railway. Today if you ask traincrew or commuters they will tell you it's a bloody circus and no one takes any responsibility of what happens if something goes wrong. And the competition is just a illustration. The passengers are the ones that has to pay for the mistakes that been taken by the operator or the municipality that gave the contract, by increasing ticket prices.And it's the municipality that has a monopoly on the ticket rights and prices. It's just a bloody joke and a stupid office product!
@darksars3622
@darksars3622 10 ай бұрын
I think where the uk went wroung with the privtiztion of the railwas was fancising
@morgainebarkefors9806
@morgainebarkefors9806 9 ай бұрын
It didn't work though. Our rail network is in so bad disrepair that we can't even use it to deliver iron ore...
@pistolen87
@pistolen87 9 ай бұрын
High speed railway travels at 320 km/h. The current railway travels at 200 km/h. Slightly faster train for the cost $28 billion is not worth it. Just look at China's investment in high speed trains, only a few routes breaks even, it's a huge burden for the tax payers.
@cocoacrispy7802
@cocoacrispy7802 10 ай бұрын
Comparing Sweden's experience with the UK's, both separated ownership of track from providing train service. Why has the Swedish experience been so much more positive? It's just my guess, but perhaps it was because the UK authorities insisted on minutely specifying the level of service and scheduling right down to how often the attendants were permitted to use the loo (just kidding,), whereas the Swedish model gave the operators a great deal of latitude. Anyone…?
@placeholdername0000
@placeholdername0000 9 ай бұрын
Also, it's likely due to companies being able to add a redundant service, thus allowing them to compete on the same stretch.
@HowDoYouEatPie
@HowDoYouEatPie 9 ай бұрын
The experience hasn't been that positive actually. The rail network is at max capacity. A lot of delays occur because of this. Also add the fact that maintenance has been unerpriotised since the 90's and you get a lovely mix of unreliability. The signaling system is outdated and will reach end of life in the 2040's. The replacement system is at the current rate of funding not set to be completely implemented until 2075 (yes you read that right). If you are travelling with more than one person, driving is almost always cheaper. Commuting passes obviously beats driving, but you have to add 30-60 minutes of a margin if you want to ensure that you're not gonna be late.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
The video is mostly fiction. If you live in Sweden you will know that the system is broken.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 ай бұрын
​@@HowDoYouEatPie The electrification system is 70 years out of date.
@fresagrus4490
@fresagrus4490 9 ай бұрын
It hasn't been positive. Look at every comment by a swede here. The author of the video as liar.
@chechenknightslaillaillall2047
@chechenknightslaillaillall2047 9 ай бұрын
To be fair, our railway system isn't in the shape we are aspiring for. With our country now joining NATO, we need improvement, fast. Take Finland for example, they have upgraded each year to prepare for a Russian invasion.
@roundlake96
@roundlake96 9 ай бұрын
While Sweden had a great potential to become a rolemodel in the rail sector it sadly lost that. Little investment a huge backlog when it comes to maintenence and with the current leading parties scraping the plan to build a highspeed network we now have have fallen behind most countries. And to add its way to expensive. Most times its cheaper to take the car when you need to go to another town.
@doujinflip
@doujinflip 10 ай бұрын
Infrastructure of any sort is a natural monopoly. In America the federal government was the only entity capable of constructing the Interstate freeway network, and thousands of trucking companies would only be in business because a government monopoly literally cleared the path for them.
@pullahuru9168
@pullahuru9168 10 ай бұрын
Summer car train 😊
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