Worst Engine Ever!! Chrysler Destroys Itself on Startup! PT Cruiser 2.4

Part 2: Testing for BENT VALVES! Teardown Chrysler 2.4 2010 PT Cruiser • Testing for BENT VALVE...
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[@kirkmill724]

I broke the belt on my 2005 PT Cruiser around 110K miles. Shop cautioned that replacing the timing belt may or may not fix it due to it being a semi-interference engine. I rolled the dice and it worked fine. I sold the car (still running) with 234K miles on it.

[@frankcastle2045]

Yep my 01 had 217,000kms no issues only rust

[@markcondrey2297]

You got extremely lucky, P. T. Losers blow for fun.

[@jtfoog5220]

Just out of curiosity, why did you buy a PT cruiser?

[@mcross320]

I would try a belt and then check it out. It's always a crapshoot, depends on where the valves were when stopped.

[@michaelholliday100]

@@jtfoog5220 PT Cruisers are known pieces of crap...

[@peterperpetua2974]

I have had 4 2.4 Chrysler come into my shop over the years with missing teeth on the belt at the crank gear. All of them were fine with just a belt replacement.

[@patriotgarage]

ditto

[@omorin34]

Perform a pressure leak down test of the cylinders to see if they seal. If they do, a timing belt is all it needs.

[@stinkertonsden]

Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now.

[@raven4k998]

the probes an anal probe🤣

[@gordonwelcher9598]

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

[@smbmx6581]

My friend had the same thing happen to his timing belt on his PT Cruiser. He ended up putting a new belt in and the valves were OK. The car survived and still ran great.

[@russellstyles5381]

Had two go out on Chrysler 2.2. One replaced, broke again. No great harm with that engine, aside from repair and tow charge.

[@patriotgarage]

this is the normal outcome after belt failures in the chrysler 2.4s.. they were used in everything chrysler in that era. you could even get one in a caravan.

[@jasonpeace1991]

In my experience it depends, engine running when the belt fails and its game over for valves If it goes just on the starter motor then hope the engine has

[@keithyoung5709]

Probably because this ISN'T a Interface engine. This guys a hack

[@jasonpeace1991]

@@keithyoung5709 when he looked it up its was listed as either semi interference or interference engine when he looked it up If it was mine I would have pulled the head and looked at the valves but I'm not $50+ an hour And it's probably $200-300 to pull the head and if Ray knows the customer is not likely to want to repair it then he is saving the customer money by not investigating further Throwing a belt on an engine isn't a fix on its own "IF" valve damage has happened If I was the customer I'd appreciate the mechanic stopping and giving me the opportunity to decide to look further or not and potentially saving me money on looking at an engine I may not consider saving Now I don't know if such bore scopes exist but if you could drop a scope down the plug and see the valves that is what I'd do in his position if 1 and 4 looked good then removed the intake and Check 2 and 3 but I don't know if you can get scopes that look back on themselves to see the valves

[@LilYeshua]

So,the timing belt wasn't changed out in a timely manner

[@MrTrailerman2]

Most people never open the owners' manual, much less follow the recommended maintenance and part replacement schedules.

[@IanTheRabbit]

Bad pun

[@narrowhwy114]

"I was in grave danger" 🤣 Been there, done that many times...

[@kennybaumann2117]

Ray listen to your masses, you did in the transmission snap ring( I still don't know how he caught that in such a short screenshot)and it saved the day and both you and customer big $. I am one of the masses that have replaced broken timing belts (that broke while engine was running) on this engine with great success. No pistons were damaged in the making of this statement.

[@charlessmarr7107]

13 years on the original cam belt. Mileage is not the only killer.

[@Charlie_Crown]

Exactly

[@stevewhiting556]

My rule #2 is…don’t buy a car with a timing belt. I drive 25-30k a year. I’m not spending that much money every 3-4 years on an intensive maintenance item. Current vehicle is 295k with a timing chain. There’s never been a bolt turned on this engine. Still runs like new. If I drove 10k a year, I’d probably overlook the timing belt as being a deterrent, but I’d also consider trading the car before replacing it. A timing belt is just an excuse for car companies to sell parts.

[@billhennie]

@@stevewhiting556 And build cars cheaper.

[@HarithBK]

lasted 5 years 16k longer than recommended replacement. pure neglect on the owner making the repair 10 times more expensive thus junk the car and need a new one.

[@wysetech2000]

@@stevewhiting556 A timing belt is not that expensive to replace on that car just for maintenance. Timing chains are a huge problem on some cars.

[@ford6]

As the valves only interfere with each other and the damage to the belt was at the crank, it is highly probable that it just needs a new timing belt. Check the valves with a borescope to confirm.

[@jasonpoletta1797]

I've probably done at least 30 broken timing belt jobs on those 2.4 engines and not once has there ever been any valve/piston damage. It's safe to say just slap a belt and components on it and it will be fine. And while your in there change that damn mount in the frame rail lol.

[@TheEulerID]

I entirely agree. The stripped portion of the belt is round the crankshaft. The inlet and exhaust camshafts are almost certainly still in sync with one another.

[@michaelrobbins9679]

For the $300.00 bucks. Try the belt...otherwise. Let Clyde have at it. Clint Eastwood movie reference..

[@duncandogster]

If the valves are bent, it's still just a valve job or replacement head, not an entire engine replacement. Why is Ray looking at engine replacement?!

[@rileyharris7514]

@@duncandogster I believe he mis interpretted the google machine telling him that the valves could hit eachother when a timing belt fails

[@dongeiger4500]

Actually I think what determines weather or not to do major engine repairs is the condition of the body rust etc and other components. Replace timing belt and see where that leads. I suspect you really don’t want to play with the PT.

[@magic.marmot]

Dang. You kept me absorbed the entire time. I learned stuff. I have much tool envy, but the diagnostic process had me riveted. Most excellent sir.

[@Shandleyman]

Same here! I would never have jumped to a timing belt issue so fast but now I will. That's the difference between a properly trained mech and lil ole me. haha!

[@adrianjones9632]

Hi Ray. It looks like the camshafts are still in their proper relationship between each other. If the only damage is the stripped timing belt around the crankshaft, it may be save able. I would , in this instance try a new timing belt before I condemned the engine.

[@demcomp]

It's a semi-interference engine, the valves only meet the pistons at a higher than IDLE RPM. So you could be quite right in that the engine is actually okay

[@Tangent360]

@@demcomp What I got from the search results is that the valves won't meet the pistons, they could meet *each other*. So if the cams got out of time with each other the intake valve and exhaust valve could collide, but you'll never get a valve hitting a piston, at least not at normal rpm.

[@demcomp]

@@Tangent360 yeah, anything is plausible in that regard. They may have or may not have connected. Either way, when it really comes down to it, it's a 13 year old PT Cruiser.. it's dead. They have no value..

[@scott.koopmann]

@@demcomp Its worth doing a cylinder leak test. That would tell if the valves are bent or not. A leak test on all 4 cylinders should take no more than 2 hours. I don't think he should condemn the engine without doing a leak test.

[@WhitentonMike]

You are correct. Given the position of the striped belt it is unlikely the cams ever came out of time with each other. If on the other hand the striped area covered the entire engagement of the cam gear then one of the cams could rotate without the other. The cam gears are pretty large compared to the crank gear engagement length. It is likely if you were to continue to rotate the forward cam until the striped portion met the rear cam gear the rear cam would remain engaged the whole time. Ray could have determined this by making a complete rotation of the belt and watching for the 2 cams continuing to turn together.

[@kubato5054]

Hey, regardless of your past history with these crap boxes and keeping it cheap. Just replace the cam belt, it is much cheaper than removing the head and checking and if it works, great. I was in the same issue as you and just replaced the belt and it worked fine.

[@wesgregg6451]

HEY RAY, READ THIS: "The PT Cruiser 150hp engine is always a non interference engine. If you have seized camshafts is more likely due to poor lubrication/low oil pressure. The seizing of the camshaft is what is breaking the belt in this case. Failure to change oil as recommended by Chrysler is usually the root cause. Normally the belt should last at least at least 80,000 miles and can last much longer. Your driving habits can greatly reduce the belts life. Lots of hard accelerations will surely do it. The belt breaking doesn't cause other problems but other problem like water pump seizing, cam shaft bearing seizing, timing belt tensioner seizing will break the belt. If you do change the belt either before it breaks or after it breaks you should also change the water pump and belt tensioner at the same time every time." -Jake Jude Apparently, that "...but it is possible for the intake and exhaust valves to touch" thing is more theoretical than actual. It CAN happen - but rarely does. But, yeah, the engine is (somewhat) known for stuff seizing and taking out the belt, instead of the belt failing and taking out stuff. Kind of backwards. Maybe because that's not exactly the poster child vehicle for "owner performs all needed maintenance *and changes oil regularly* ", lol?

[@bragiodinsen4604]

seeing you diagnose the problem helps me understand how it works a lot more than just watching someone repair it. thanks alot.

[@gordonwelcher9598]

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

[@patriotgarage]

Ray, technically it is an interference engine. but... 95% of the time a new belt is all that is needed. Remove all the mounts off the front of the engine, pull drive belts, jack the front of the engine up as high as you can and service the belt (and related parts) 4-5 hours total. Given where the belt failed (at the crank) I'd say the cams stayed in time with each other and there is a chance. it's worth the 2-3 hours to toss a belt and give it a try. if it runs, finish putting it back together. also that car was overdue for a new belt, so blaming the engine might not be the correct answer. poor maintenance is. a good borescope will show you the valves without pulling the head. a bad borescore will show you witness marks on the pistons. use car-part pro for used engines. our yard just sold one with 120K on it for 500 bucks.

[@mikemcguire8351]

You're right on the money.

[@louispeek2546]

I can't believe you're telling Ray how to install a new timing belt! LMAO!

[@patriotgarage]

@@louispeek2546 I can't believe you wouldn't share a easier way to do it than the book that tells you to pull the engine. I have been doing this since points and carbs were a thing. I learn new things every day. People like you don't because you think you know everything. Ray probably knows the short cut but others might not. I bet you didn't

[@guyaldrich5878]

You are correct ! I think I work on these much more than Ray does !

[@sim8324]

Yes but is it worth it to the owner to spend the money for labor to find out, I had a similar thing happen with my Sienna timing belt, was over due to be replaced and broke while driving there was a debate on if it is non interference, since the consensus is it is I went ahead and replaced the timing belt and water pump myself, never had done it before but I figured I would rather DIY than spend more than $500 labor and parts to find out it had bent valves or worse. As luck would have it they were right and it runs now like a well timed clock.

[@joelohberger3221]

my heart goes out to the person that owned that car it's news they probly didn't want to hear

[@MrATOMBOMB420]

Even more so because the information that the customer is being given is wrong it does not need a motor it needs the timing belt replaced and it was retimed I think he's smoking something or sniffing something

[@luich1288]

@@MrATOMBOMB420 not only the belt...

[@donstarr391]

@@luich1288 What else besides the belt? If I correctly understand this "semi-interference" engine, the valves don't interfere with the pistons - only with each other. If Ray's hypothesis is correct (crank stripped belt on attempted start, cams didn't turn), then the cams probably didn't go out of time with each other, just with the crank. Replacing the belt (and, of course, re-timing the crank with the cams) may well fix it. If it was my car, I'd spend a few hundred $ to have Ray replace the timing belt and see what happens.

[@Pwills]

Personally I think you would be throwing good money after bad as it is a PT Cruiser in my personal opinion it is not worth spending the money on. Maybe put a second hand engine in it but personally I wouldn’t even do that. But that’s just my opinion.

[@patriotgarage]

@@MrATOMBOMB420 it MIGHT need a head or engine. a belt is not 100% sure to fix it.

[@keeperofthegood]

Hey Ray. Word of caution. Always use Extreme Eviction. Some of the biggest advances in neural network modeling have come from hornet/wasp studies. They can imprint you for their lifespan and pick you out of a crowd easy peasy. Its why you see the guy running through a crowd being chased by wasps, and the crowd is ignored.

[@David-ik8wj]

yep. i had a yellow jacket nest in my yard. got stung a few times when i disturbed them with the mower. got stung 2 more times in the following week and i was not even near the nest. Had to have the little bastards terminated. they had my number.

[@tacomas9602]

2:33 Ray, that kind of humor with that skit is super. I enjoy it a lot. Love these videos! ❤😅

[@pingpong9656]

It says it's semi-interference - given the cams are still in time to each other, the valves should be fine. What am I missing here?

[@meporter69]

You ae correct.

[@keithyoung5709]

You've got a mechanic doing a diagnosis with google. That should tell you everything. 😂😂

[@sebastian993]

the mechanic's business model. they like small jobs with lots of profit

[@myfavoritecolorisrage]

I've performed this repair before on earlier year PT Cruisers. Those are not interference engines. This issue is easy to ID without a compression tester or expensive scan tool too. First test is look at the odometer, if its anywhere near 100k on a Chrysler 2.4L, that's clue #1. Clue #2 is it ain't starting, but ran fine before. And clue #3 is it has cam position sensor codes. If you got those 3 issues, you need a new timing belt. You have to remove the motor mounts and pull the engine up about 6-8" to access everything. And the AC lines will fight you to the death. You also have to replace the water pump while you're in there and any gummy pulleys. Is it a PITA? Yes! And the cams will happily pop one tooth out of alignment while you're getting the belt situated. But it's not an end of the world job nor does it require any special tools. It's just time consuming to get to. But certainly better than getting rid of the car.

[@onsturn]

Before condemning the engine I’d replace the timing belt then perform a compression test.

[@richardmiller5238]

If it was my car I would also

[@patriotgarage]

while the 2.4 is "technically" an interference engine, 95% of the time they do survive a broken timing belt.

[@Flies2FLL]

Probably a waste of time. If the pistons were moving, then compression should have been created. Bent valves.

[@rcf8367]

Yup, hope it’s not an interference engine with Ray turning the cams with a wrench…,

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

@@Flies2FLL he only checked 2 cylinders, not conclusive

[@TrepKing95]

I just went through this on a 2001 that broke the belt at highway speeds; Did not actually bend a valve, but a Leakdown test revealed a leak out of the intake valve. After tearing the head off it, It was found that a small carbon patch was causing the leakdown. I would definitely start by replacing the belt and accessories before condemning the engine. Especially if it sheered the belt at startup, valve to valve damage is not likely.

[@knighttaylor4272]

This is so cool you get to do what you love while also being supported by KZbin you are successful when it comes to providing life necessities you’re a true goat

[@williamduhamel7726]

I thought I was having déjà vu when I saw you working on that PT cruiser. It’s like you attract them. If we had cliffs in Florida, they’d be falling from them.

[@bobberndt9744]

Tiny suggestion : Stand your plastic cases (tools, parts etc) that are in the cabinets on edge instead of stacked. That allows easier access and takes the same amount of space.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

And a labelmaker would be a good investment for those cases.

[@jakedcrane8019]

@@MonkeyJedi99 or perhaps just write directly to the cases with a permanent marker pen.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@jakedcrane8019 Good point! Those pebbles surfaces, even when fully clean, stink for adhering labels, but a white, silver or yellow paint marker would work much better.

[@XENONEOMORPH1979]

or just let him do his thing

[@jakedcrane8019]

@@XENONEOMORPH1979 Sure he does things in the ways he wants. Mind you these were only suggestions and not requirements.

[@danrascal4045]

Thank you for showing the cost breakdown!

[@hightttech]

Replace the belt. Cams still in time, so valves did not hit each other. If you're skeptical, then do leakdown on 1 and 4 when new belt installed, but before buttoning everything up.

[@kevinlloyd1088]

Gotta love the multi use brake cleaner! The sound effect also makes a smile every time.

[@spaceflight1019]

When I worked at the power stations Brakleen was the tool of choice for dispatching spiders too.

[@patriotgarage]

brake cleaner works better than killers actually made to kill bees.

[@sim8324]

Ha I thought it was wasp killer.

[@user-lg7bs2ws4y]

I would be willing to bet that valves are not bent I've replaced timing belts on several without having to go through the extreme

[@douglasburnside]

If there are no bent valves, why is there *zero* compression on cylinders 1 & 4, and when cranking there was no difference in sound from *any* of the cylinders so almost certainly they also had no compression.

[@user-lg7bs2ws4y]

@@douglasburnside would have to check it myself in order to give you the answers usually when belts are wiped out on the Crank it's never any damage to the valves.

[@Grumpy-sy7wr]

@@douglasburnside Some cylinders will have valves open, unable to compress. Any cylinder that has all valves closed, cannot draw air in to compress. Zero compression all round.

[@user-lb1ks2ip8q]

Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now.. Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now..

[@debbievogel2957]

Ray, Thanks, great informative video especially with the estimated pricing.

[@georgewaring7168]

Thank you for going through the labor and pricing exercise. That was informative.

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

the idea of an interference engine always struck me as crazy. for that car i would replace the belt and see.

[@coltonkay9000]

Interference engines can make more power and a bunch of other advantages but this is definitely a downside

[@hansjansen7047]

At least two cylinders have no compression which means that at least one of them has been hit. The # 1 and 4 on a 4 cylinder move together and the cam is not turning so when the piston comes up and either valve is open , it will get hit.

[@shaneheiden5448]

Yeah, but not on the this engine! This engine only has interference between valves. If the intake cam gets out of time with the exhaust cam. The crank gear position doesn’t matter. The pistons can’t hit the valves if the rod is still intact.

[@kumakhan]

@@coltonkay9000 yup trending for higher and higher compression engines for efficiency and power.

[@robertmedina6875]

You’re like me, you have a ton of tools and you literally know where you bought and about how much you paid for everything! Wow Ray, I thought I was the only one like that. Lol I love your channel you have grown into a wonderful channel. You should do tips and tricks for mechanics and do some basic stuff like showing changing valves and valve springs for the DIY guys at home. God bless you and your business Ray.

[@AnonyMous-jf4lc]

You don’t need to pull the cams to do a simple leak down test. Cut the bad belt out, pull the valve cover. Set the cams manually on the cylinder you are testing. I’ve had many interference motors make it through without damage. You don’t need smoke to find a bent valve.

[@cavemansnow4346]

If it were anything other than a PT CRUISER I think the cost effectiveness of replacing an engine verses buying a new car is usually worth it.

[@GuysPlayingWithTools]

A PT Cruiser would be a happy place to put a 350 Chevy. 😁

[@RukarioEnterprisesLLC]

You're right. New engine is $4500. New car is $25,000 to anywhere between $50,000 because of inflation

[@GuysPlayingWithTools]

@Mega_Rukario928 yeah... car prices are through the roof. I was looking at a car I liked a could weeks back, and it was $76k after options and everything. Yeesh

[@patriotgarage]

I know this is going to shock you. some people. well... sit down... you sitting down? they actually like the PT Cruiser... Why? I don't know.

[@kenore4003]

With the 400 block and a little stroking and boring you can have a SB 427. If more is better then too much is just about right.

[@hellkitty1014]

The fact that the PT Cruiser hasn't disintegrated at this point should be considered a national threat to security.😂

[@tomnekuda3818]

That's about the size of it.

[@AJwoodway]

😂

[@volvo09]

Those things are pretty hard to find these days... Unless you visit an old junkyard that hasn'y crushed em all.

[@joedavidzuniga1993]

😂

[@williamegler8771]

@volvo09 I live in Chicago and during my daily commute or running errands I see several. They are a fairly common sight on used car lots especially seedy buy here pay here ones.

[@shannon-852]

Hey Ray, a suggestion that may or may not be helpful: If you were able to build a relationship with a local used car dealer that is honest (they do exist!) then it might help to soften the blow to a customer when you have to deliver the worst news on their vehicle. Its something I do as a salesman working with local technicians when a customer wants to spend money on equipment that's too worn out and vice versa when the the customer wants to jump the gun and replace something that needs a minor repair. It's a great way to build customer confidence and loyalty even if it costs you a sale sometimes.

[@William-a-smith345]

Ray definitely try a new timing belt as others have said if it stripped on the crank the valves are probably ok worth a shot

[@briandonald]

I’m interested in knowing what the owner decided. It really depends on the individual. People have emotional connections with their vehicles and might pay more than what’s it worth to fix it.

[@Lovesausage269]

Everyone I’ve known that owned one hates their pt cruiser lol

[@ptlover9789]

You obviously don't know me and my great two PT Cruisers.

[@briandonald]

@@Lovesausage269 😂

[@sim8324]

The only say I would fix it if it has something really special like 18k seat belts or something like that lol

[@scottysgarage4393]

Low mile car just in need of a belt; you would expect they'd fix it. And while I do not understand it, most everyone I ever met loved these goofy little things.

[@victorbarajas1395]

Thanks Ray, for the wonderful work you do for us! In reality, people don't maintain their cars as supposed to. People spend more money in entertainment, a sound system, going to the best restaurant in town, going on bacation. As long as the car runs, they don't think that far

[@RighteousWeevil]

I had an 09 pt cruiser (looked basically exactly like this) and one day it decided that oil and coolant shouldn't be so separated; wound up junking it because the repair was WAY more then the value

[@TheDon8771]

Golf carts are awesome for pulling cars in the garage. 😂

[@MonkeyJedi99]

They're also good for upgrading from a PT Cruiser.

[@anthonyfreeman5858]

I’ve had two vehicles w/interference engines & the Timing Belt was the cause of bent valves. I had to replace the heads on both of the @ a time when I really could not afford that type of repair work. A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

[@jn1mrgn]

I would never buy a vehicle with either a timing belt or an interference engine.

[@justinferguson5451]

I had to chuckle at the 3rd stall, if you had 50 stalls they’d all be full and you have to nose something in behind something else 🤣

[@toast9758]

god dude I love the chemistry you got with the rest of the mechanics you work with. Really wish the last shop I worked at had another mechanic like you, or really just a boss like you lol

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

I feel u. The ppl at my shop are like that as well, and my shop manager has known me since I was a kid. My mom is very good friends with him & his wife.

[@gordonwelcher9598]

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

[@kman0146]

The cams probably never moved until you barred it over. The issue would be if 1 cam moved and the other didn't. It might be faster to just throw a belt on it than to remove the cams and smoke test it.

[@meporter69]

Exactly.

[@Grumpy-sy7wr]

Precisely what I'd be doing.

[@HouseCallAutoRepair]

It WOULD have been.... Until he turned the cams and made sure they'd hit! I don't think that was a smart move...

[@georgemartin5980]

You guys must have been inhaling on your smoke tests. As soon as the crank stripped the belt, there would be valves open to get kissed by the still-moving pistons.

[@kman0146]

@@georgemartin5980 If you had been listening you would have heard that engine only has interference between the valves not with the pistons.

[@mdmyer]

I've always wanted to convert one of those into a rwd and drop a V8 under the hood. That's what they should have been from the factory.

[@donQpublic]

At 10:35 I’m thinking broken compression test gauge.🤣

[@TurboCarotte]

I love the foreshadowing from the battery branded "DieHard". xD

[@Tony-he8ze]

$169 an hour labor! I'm a little behind the times. I was thinking in the $100 dollar area. Anyway, it doesn't look like it would be that hard to put a belt on it. Might be worth a try. If it doesn't run right it's crusher time.

[@Timotheousturalyon]

In my area its not even 100 and hour for an independent mechanic. Guess it's connected to where a mechanic is located.

[@glennschemitsch8341]

AND plus parts. I wonder if Ray charges for all that brake cleaner that he uses on the videos to the customer, or is that for our benefit so he can vent by throwing the cans. LOL.😆🚙🚙

[@Tony-he8ze]

@@glennschemitsch8341 In one episode he said he got brake cleaner from viewer contributions. Wether that's still the case I don't know. I have thought the same, a way to vent. Pretty funny watching the can journeys.

[@Tony-he8ze]

@@Timotheousturalyon Yeah, wonder what he charges.

[@glennschemitsch8341]

@@Tony-he8ze That stuff is not cheap.

[@sirich7751]

Sometimes you have to look at it from the point of what would a new reasonable car cost? 5k down and 450/mo. That’s over 10k first year. It wouldn’t do it on a PT cruiser but a Toyota or something…maybe

[@cossiedriverrs]

Great channel, and you called the hood a "bonnet", which pleased me, as I am from the UK 🙂

[@blknightsixtyfo]

3:15 neither was the launch lolololol

[@chrischreech5869]

No wasps were harmed in the making of this video 😅

[@MrTrailerman2]

They are high off of brake kleen.

[@markraday8071]

Hey Ray, I have been watching your videos all along but not commenting, but this one is one for me. With the price of cars now I probably would change the timing belt and hope for the best. Just my opinion. Ya never know

[@norcal715]

i am sure that it has been said before, do a cylinder leak down test. If you can rotate the cams then it should be fairly straight forward without having to remove the valve cover/cams.

[@pantherplatform]

That place you're at reminds me of working for one of these sprawling dealerships on US 19 in St Pete with billboards in the distance.

[@ryulee458]

Well Ray I think you should consider putting a new timing belt and see what happens

[@Clearanceman2]

Eric the car guy did that with a honda one time and got lucky.

[@ryulee458]

@@Clearanceman2 I love watching Eric the car Guy he's awesome.

[@stevefox6559]

Hey Ray, really enjoy your videos, I don’t think I’ve ever missed one but curiosity has gotten the best of me and I just have to ask. What ever become of the Subaru with the broken bolt in the block? Wishing you and yours the very best.

[@dave6199]

Yes I forgot about that one I was on the edge of my seat at the time

[@Parknest]

He said that he would have to replace the engine at his own expense and he was gonna source a used engine.

[@dave6199]

@@Parknest I was hoping he could get around that...big call

[@BlindMansRevenge2002]

most likely repaired and shipped behind the scenes! It was a very embarrassing moment for Ray! So he was humble enough to admit it he may have been frustrated enough not to film it! Eric, from I do cars hooked him up with a replacement engine.

[@dave6199]

Yeh I think they might have found a fix without pulling the motor just might not be good on film which is understandable

[@JoseMartinez-tc9pr]

That is a great pic of the smooth belt

[@wallychambe1587]

Wow, they must know you are the PT cruiser whisperer!🤣🤣Nobody else wants to work on them🤣🤣

[@ronaldbrosius7488]

You should at least do a cylinder leak down test!! (Its the tool you hook up to shop air, turn engine over by hand see if all valve are sealing. Easy test to know for sure 👍) i would definitely do before I called the customer, maybe he got Lucky and just needs a belt. If you aren't testing, you're guessing!

[@Mizman76]

Thanks for explaining to him what a leak down test is. I'm SURE he's never heard of one before! Smh.😊

[@666cemetaryslut]

Ray isn't a mechanic with a KZbin channel, he's a KZbinr with a mechanic side hustle. This video proves it.

[@rustyrobinson8027]

I love PT Cruisers ❤ Ray and family

[@danielwoodard680]

Content rich episode. Wasps, Michelle Pfeiffer movies search, compression testing, timing belt diagnosis, cost estimating. What a great day.

[@dilwyn1]

Good job Ray ... Gone are the days of the good old Ford "Pinto" engines (1800cc) where we carried a spare belt to put on if one broke, as the valves were always OK 😁

[@isaiahwelch8066]

The 2.3L inline 4 engines used in the Pinto also were non-interference engines. And, they used a rubber belt as well. The problem with the 2.3L belt, up to 1993, was that the belt teeth could get sheared by the torque needed to started the engine, especially cold. I've changed the belt on my Ranger multiple times when it's been very cold outside. The worst time was when the weather was only 14° F.

[@dilwyn1]

@@isaiahwelch8066 😄 Easy to do, but a damn pain in the ass!! LOL!

[@isaiahwelch8066]

​​@@dilwyn1 It is. But at the same time, I've gotten _very_ good at fixing the timing belt, even on the side of the road. Thing is, my ex had a 1999 Cavalier that did what this PT Cruiser was doing: Only half the engine would turn. $850 later, and a shop doing the work, the car ran almost like brand new. My ex let the maintainence on the timing belt go for over 15k miles beyond spec (the odo had 163(?)k miles, the spec was 150K miles).

[@dilwyn1]

@@isaiahwelch8066 Ditto!

[@jeffleach2668]

You know how you can hit a wasp in mid air with brake clean and he’ll drop right to the ground? When I lived in Tucson I submerged a scorpion in brake clean and it just pissed it off. Did not expect that.🤔

[@AccountInactive]

"I tried to kill a spider with glitter body spray. Now it won't stop stripping and it makes me call it Cinnamon." 😂

[@volvo09]

Yeah brake clean is instant on wasps.

[@SOU6900]

​@volvo09 so is soapy water.

[@spaceflight1019]

​@@AccountInactiveWell...

[@TC-yx2ss]

I've used WD40 to knock wasps out mid air.

[@StansAuto83]

You can replace the timing belt it that what went. Most those engines do not hit valves when belt goes. But the water pump also needs replacing when doing a belt on the pt.

[@bryantday1703]

I used to have a 1996 ford ranger 2.3l with 8 plugs it was quite interesting but it was really good on fuel specially mated to a 4spd with od manual transmission.

[@alanm.4298]

It was interesting to see the estimate and hear your hourly rate, Ray. A friend had a Chrysler Crossfire... sort of odd looking sports car? But he liked it... except when it needed work! The local dealer charges $180 hr. to work on Chryslers. But because the Crossfire is all Mercedes underneath, he got to pay the $300 hr. they charge to work on those! Same shop. Same mechanics doing the same work. But just because it's a Mercedes... $$$! That was a few years ago. I bet they charge more now.

[@akio2589]

Which is a good reason to avoid the stealer.

[@richardsmith2721]

I was amazed at how versatile brake clean is. It also makes for a delightful dessert topping.

[@robertnixon1374]

On my Aunt Lucy’s mulberry caterpillar pie.

[@halh865]

it was an another brake cleaner 'opportunity'...!

[@wilddave18073]

I'm pretty sure that he used an actual can of Raid for the wasps. He was very cautious about not showing the brand.

[@jdwithheld8915]

Wait a minnit! ….wasn’t that Eric O’s can of brake clean?

[@shawn576]

It was probably raid. You would never want to spray brake cleaner on paint or plastic. It would actually do less damage to the paint or plastic to hit it with a blow torch for a split second.

[@jonathanmacdonald9276]

The “ cruiser bruiser” as we called it up here in Chicago. My old childhood best friends father had this exact same car but blue. There was always some new problem with the car

[@treeguyable]

Had a buddy build an engine, on the old Mercury Capri, decades ago, he ground the piston skirts, for some crank mod he did, and put notches in the piston, for valve clearance. It ran fine, for the time I saw it, no telling how long it lasted.

[@johncherish7610]

Since you do a lot of work on PT Cruisers it may be worth the effort to replace the timing belt. You can reuse it on another PT Cruiser if that fails to fix the problem. If it works it may be worth the money to fix it that way just on the chance that is all that it needs. Either way if it fails you may take the car as payment for the belt and labor cost and part the car out if the owner decides to junk it

[@waterloo123100]

A junk car isn’t worth a timing belt job. Your not making any money that way.

[@johncherish7610]

@@waterloo123100 IN these days when buying a new car for 40 to 60K and having a car payment vs replacing a timing belt or engine swap may be the way to go. If the interior is in good shape has good rubber all the way around and was maintained in other areas it may be better than having a car payment for 5 years. of course that depends on the owner. Also since the owner might junk it anyway and Ray does a lot of work on other PT Cruisers for the dealer next door it could turn into a nice parts car and he could make money from the parts as well to fix other PT Cruisers

[@onryboy2264]

In my opinion that thing wasn't worth that amount when it was new off of the showroom floor.😅😅😅

[@kellylynn9295]

Seems like the pre-2000 2.4s weren't too bad but after 2000 they had so many issues. My friends and i owned a few of both generations. My 97 stratus had 198,000 when I sold it and it ran amazing.

[@brucedale4465]

That was before fiat a stellantis took over since then the dodge products are junk

[@caydengatewood1190]

Depending on your budget or shop volume, a car caddy might be a great investment. A shop I worked at had one and I’ve never seen a better device in my life I swear. They’re just like 5 or 6gs

[@ErikssonTord_2]

I'd try a new timing belt (if the owner agrees to it), just in case it was just the belt tensioner that had given up (and compression is OK).

[@EristiCat]

I had a 2009 PT and kept it for 11 years. Phenomenally good vehicle. Solid as a billet. The build quality on these was amazing. Only weakness was they are underpowered.

[@ICantBreve]

😂☠️

[@billhennie]

I used to have one of these cars. I loved the features in this car that made it very handy to own and use. Yes, I did put another used engine in it. That engine came with a three year unlimited mileage warranty. But eventually we gave the car to another family member who then drove it into the ground. I noticed that the mileage was at the point to replace the timing belt in this car. I believe that the belt tensioner lost its tension hence removing the teeth in that section of the belt and turning it into junk.

[@Young516_]

Was it the turbo model ?

[@ethanwible3928]

As a MOPAR tech, things breaking the moment they start is pretty standard.

[@Helmuesi911]

Great commentary.. it’s like if the inner voice in your head came to life and there was a camera to record it.

[@leonardsnow8118]

You may have bent more valves when you manually turned it

[@steve5x565]

Possibly but unlikely when turning the cams by hand, I do wonder why he hasn’t looked at a replacement cylinder head though. The bottom end doesn’t need replacing as the valves don’t hit the pistons, they just hit each other.

[@raycollington4310]

I reckon it was already toast when the car was left in his lot.

[@scott.koopmann]

Ray could do a cylinder leak test with compressed air and determine if the valves are bent or not. There is a pretty good chance that it just needs a timing belt.

[@volvo09]

Hard to do by hand...

[@scott.koopmann]

@@volvo09 You obviously don't know what a cylinder leak test is. It's not the same as a compression test.

[@jeffreymrrs150]

That motor is fine.ive seen that happen several times on pt cruisers.they strip on turn over.does not hurt the valves.timing kit will fix it.

[@williamdawson3353]

Very interesting on parts and labor.

[@MrMattDat]

Man, I remember thinking the PT Cruiser was just so cool after it came out. Each year after that I learned how they can make a cool looking vehicle out of POC parts! Just too damn bad.

[@rangerider9091]

I’ve owned four of them since they came out. One for my daughter and one to pull behind the motor home which I still have and a turbo five speed for fun. IMO the greatest most versatile, comfortable utilitarian vehicle Chrysler ever built. Bar none. I’m looking for another rust free one to put away for the future because there just isn’t a better new car out there.

[@mikefoehr235]

That belt must have been passed its BEST BEFORE DATE. I am sure if the belt was replaced in a timely fashion, none of this would have happened

[@patriotgarage]

I forget if its 60 or 90K but generally belts have a miles or age they should be replaced. We may never know if the belt was original to the car.

[@mikefoehr235]

@@patriotgarage 100 000 kilometres or 60 000 miles seems like a reasonable maintenance schedule. I prefer chains. If you change oil often, chains ⛓️ last a long time. When they fail, they often give you warning ⚠️.

[@ianwheat1577]

People don't seem to maintain cars timing belt replacement $500 .they need replacing 60 to 100 k depending what make of car

[@alexgonzalez9627]

That new stall is definitely going to be your favorite I guarantee it🎉🎉🎉nice and spacious

[@handyman1957]

9:00 I TOLD YA ALL SO!! I knew Troy was the clean guy : ) Way to go Troy, keep it clean my friend!

[@Chrisamic]

Still need to confirm that the valves are damaged. If it didn’t also suffer a broken cam shaft there’s a good chance it is OK.

[@matth5309]

It does stink that it’s a PT cruiser but depending on the situation of the owner it might be worth the 5k if the used engine was low mile and came with a warranty. Used car prices are still out of this world which is the only reason fixing this makes any little bit of sense.

[@mrmustangman]

just needs timing belt

[@jimsix9929]

the book will say it is an interferance engine but I have done a lot of timing belts on them, only had one that had a slightly bent valve

[@kleinco]

I’ve dealt with two slipped timing belts on these pt cruisers … both times the engine survived. Seems like they like eating belts

[@joshuamcdaniel3132]

That's why I love timing chains over timing belts

[@Herbertti3]

At 4:50 let me guess, another pt cruiser with blown headgasket. Edit. Oh its way worse. lol

[@CharlesVanNoland]

I was ready for more wasps to be under the hood, lol.

[@trickdaddy0162]

Dang gud auto repair place when you pull up and hear a cut off grinder going

[@ColdSalmon78615]

That key reminds me of the compass my family used to have.