Raise your SPELL DC's to the roof! D&D 5e

[@minikawildflower]

School of Optimancy: you have practiced and studied the art of preparing the most optimal spells for any situation

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

lets sign wizards up.

[@Lngbrdninjamasta]

*Treantmonk's School of Optimancy* Needs to b a thing 💯

[@shanemanzo2986]

Honestly if you made one of the subclass features that you cast a spell you know but don't have prepared proficiency times per day you could make it work

[@DeadpoolAli]

If you drop one attunement slot and take mizzium apparatus you can use all of those classes spell lists as long as you have slots.

[@joshuadefriese1907]

Oh my gosh lol I love that

[@wyattweber9983]

Don't need the cleric level - Artificer 14 gives 5 attunement slots and you also ignore all attunement requirements (like class)

[@KaitlynBurnellMath]

Good catch. You also don't need the wizard levels anymore thanks to Artificer 14. In fact, Artificer 18 Bard 2 gets you six attunement slots, which presumably gets your spell DCs even higher in some way. (...Probably, I don't actually know if there's another item that will stack).

[@StarAllKungfu]

@@KaitlynBurnellMath Can you have two of the same Ioun stone? lol

[@caelandemaziere7939]

@@StarAllKungfu i don't think there's a rule against it lol

[@WATERmelonsCREW]

@@StarAllKungfu two magic items can’t stack if they share a name. Just like you can’t stack two instances of Bless, you can be blessed by two different characters but you only benefit from it once because they share a name.

[@angienoland6879]

@@KaitlynBurnellMath staff of power is another +2 to all spells

[@ElManReborn616]

I love how the wizard is going to look at this poor guy with pity on her face while she casts Forcecage and wins the combat in one action

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@warmwaterpenguin]

I mean that +17 on CHA saving throws that Frankenstein gets should give him a 90% chance to Misty Step out...

[@ElManReborn616]

@@warmwaterpenguin in my scenario, they're allies Shutout to the amazingly obvious scambot that replied my comment

[@warmwaterpenguin]

@@ElManReborn616 Ahaha, yes, in that case 100% valid.

[@nyanbrox5418]

@@warmwaterpenguin ah but you forget this character doesn't have access to any self target teleportation spells xD

[@elfmonarch]

Just a note; you don't technically need the cleric or wizard levels since artificer 14 lets you ignore level, class, and race restrictions. That means you would just be a bard artificer. Conversely you could lower the DC by 2 from 35 to 33 and be a 20 level artificer, and that wouldn't even be a bad build...

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

I think the point of Wizard 2 was for the Portent rolls

[@saltypork101]

@@nessesaryschoolthing Portent is nice, but being able to use your 35 DC for more than just upcasting Hold Person is better. Without going Cleric or Wizard, you could reach Bard 6. If you forget Unsettling Words too and go Lore instead (35 DC is high enough), you can get any two spells of 3rd level or lower in the game, which can be upcast to 6th and 7th level.

[@nicka3697]

@@saltypork101 I agree also chronurgy 2 would give you coronal shift forcing 2 rerolls a day which are more reliable than the 2 portent dice since you see the roll suceed first, while the odds are you'll waste the portent rolls on creatures that cant beat your DC or would have rolled under it anyway.

[@RandomToon1]

If you are getting silly with it, Epic Boon in the DMG allows a +2 bonus to a stat multiple times to a max of 30, and it does not have the time limit restriction of the tomes.

[@scorpiovenator_4736]

Beware its not him, its a bot

[@zac9933]

When you're paranoid that people are lying to you so you spend your entire life acquiring some of the rarest items in the world just to make sure that nobody passes when you cast Zone of Truth twice a day.

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

This build: "Behold my limitless POWER" *casts Shatter*

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Shatter with 35 DC, so 3d8 NOT HALVED!!!

[@KrytopsyX]

For the bard instruments, what I've seen JC says on Twitter is you only need to hold the instrument to use it as a spell focus where if you were to give bardic inspirations, then you would have to play the instrument.

[@master_rafiki]

I love that you included magic items in this build and would love to see them included in your optimized builds, not just for the 20th-level character but for each of the tiers of play.

[@Vertigo_Tempest]

I think it's really cool, that they were included here (if not the wholepoint of the video haha). Might be better for him not to rely on magic items though, since DMs vary highly in how Magic items are treated. Suggested items could be nice, but we'll see. Maybe he has talked about this topic already, am not too sure though

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Id rather he didnt do magic ifems normally because then it turns into optimizing around the magic items which scews everything.

[@master_rafiki]

I agree. I wouldn’t want him to make any optimization decisions based on the items, just a note on what would play well and why.

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

@@master_rafiki maybe after he hits lvl 20 he can go over what items would be good for the character. Id be ok with that.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

Magic items have a... complicated place in the balance of the game. Hopefully D&DOne makes them a more reliable resource so they're easier to build around.

[@Starcoffin]

Love your content! I have been following your works since 2010ish with PF1!

[@LeMayJoseph]

I’ve been following Treantmonk’s guides since he was doing them for 3.5 on the GiantITP forums! 😅

[@bobshark666]

You can be inhabited by one of the Trickster Gods, Obo'Laka, which can grant you the power to attune to one additional magic item.

[@bobshark666]

Tomb of Annihilation pg.129

[@jonathanchapple9651]

Just need another friend artificer to cast feeblemind on so they have a intelligence of 1, and then they could use flash of genius on a creature to give them a -5 to a saving throw.

[@irisinthedarkworld]

oh my gosh that's hilarious

[@caltheuntitled8021]

I had an idea for an npc artificer that has a -3 intelligence score and uses flash of genius to make horrible suggestions to their enemy. Only problem is that it would only work once per fight.

[@comfortablegrey]

In some ways this is the most powerful character you've ever built! An artificer could probably even negotiate creating many of the items.

[@pranakhan]

All this just reminds me how awesome 2nd ed. was when it came to spell interactions. When Tome of Magic came out, it revolutionized extended spell warfare (at least in my circles who used to run the GenCon circuits back in the day). Suddenly, mage duels were a consequence of these new spell listings (like Malison), which could affect opponents who had a % of Magic Resistance (MR). MR totally hamstrung high level mages when it came to targetable spells, which is why we haven't really seen it represented as anything else other than an Advantage jig in 5th ed.

[@elementzero3379]

I'm sure some night, in the midst of that almost-asleep twilight daze, I would've unsuccessfully pondered this question. (Maybe I have and simply don't remember!) Now, I have an answer. 😄👍🏻

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@pedrostormrage]

12:50 "Technically both of these items need to be held in order to stack these bonuses" I'm looking forward to the "one man band" bard build (stock photos abound for that). I mean, Thri-Kreen is a solution, but I'm not sure how many people would want to play one. I think the bard could use both hands to play the Reveler's Concertina (both items' description only say you need to hold them to get the increase to spell save DCs, but I'm being a pessimist), tie the Rhythm-Maker's Drum to their back, and use a mechanism that lets them play the drum with a foot (like tying the drumstick to it).

[@krisdinkel8915]

Feel the need to mention the stars druid level 6 feature, which can (when you roll woe) reduce saving throw by 1d6

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@daloypolizei]

i actually already knew about the oversight with the amulet of the devout because i used it on a battlesmith in a high level one shot I played, I had ridiculous DC for my spells from a +3 all purpose tool and a +2 amulet of the devout (which i dont think actually helped out in the combat too much)

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@elladunham9232]

Honestly one of my favorite builds is the genasi 20th level barbarian, which is the only way to get a spell save dc above 19 without magic items, as genasi use constitution for their spell casting, and 20th lvl barbs can have a 24 con, giving them a dc of 21

[@AllThingsFascinate]

With no spells to cast, lol

[@elladunham9232]

@@AllThingsFascinate genasi can a cast several spells racially, like fire genasi can cast produce flanes and burning flames

[@jefferyjeffson5855]

Not sure how many tables this would work at, but as a DM, my reading of the Artificer 14 feature (you ignore all class, race, spell, and level requirements on attuning to or using a magic item) is that the collection of +3 to save DC items work for any spell you cast, as you ignore the requirement of both their attunement and use. I think that would let you get a DC of 42 (8 base, 10 Int, 18 6x +3 items) with 18 levels in Artificer.

[@fireballin1717]

While I might be wrong, I believe the combining magical effects section of the phb would rule otherwise to stacking the +3's on a spell. What do you think.

[@jefferyjeffson5855]

@@fireballin1717 Sorry for the delayed response, I think you have a good point. My personal reading would be that the combining magical effects section is specific to effects with the same name (ie you can't benefit from being targeted twice by the Bless spell, or you can't attune to two Rings of Protection) and not effects that are the same but come from different sources (ie being able to attune to and benefit from attuning to both a Ring of Protection and a Cloak of Protection). Based on that, because the +3 DC items are all different items with different name, I would allow it. From a balance/power perspective, I think that forgoing other magic items for a ridiculously high spell save DC is actually less powerful/optimal (especially given that I let players at level 18 pick magic items they want) than other item combinations.

[@nickm9102]

Love the idea. I know I'll never be able to get close to that so I will just have to stick to the Staff of Power, Robes of the arch Magi, a CHA tome and in my case a +3 Blood well vial with a +2 CHA from the deck of many things. (I did insane and pulled 13 of the 22 cards in one sitting lost all my toys but got 50k gold to buy new if I can find them.) So my DC would top out at 28 and I have an AL legal Warlock with a 25 and I have to explain it at every table CHA 22 Staff of Power and +3 Rod of the Pact keeper. And if that isn't enough he also has a Staff of the Magi but he is a different story.

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@maninalift]

Wear a belt of storm giant strength around your head rambo-style for a 29 int * * DM permitting

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@GrimHeaperThe]

Peace cleric 1/ Lore bard 19 is your best bet I'd think. You'd lose the plus 3, from robes and the ion stone but... well fullcasting with that much magical secrets and buffing your party isn't fair, it's still a 32. As far as effective DCs go you can likely just reach the 50-60s with enough debuffs fairly easily. I'd make a video on that.

[@intrinsical]

I have an lightfoot halfling arcane trickster 9/wizard X for this reason. Lightfoot for the ability to hide behind anyone of medium size or greater. Arcane trickster's 9th level Magical Ambush for giving disadvantage to the spell's targets when casting while hidden. Yes, it only starts coming online as a caster at level 13+ but once that starts to happen it is fun to see loads of enemies suffering the full effect of fireballs, slows, hypnotic patterns and so on.

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@horbi3683]

Cool topic, Chris, thanks! I may have missed it but did you mention the Shadow Sorcerers Houd of IL-Omen? It's another possibility for disadvantage against your spells.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Good point

[@alexzanderm7802]

Yeah the hound is an amazing option for disadvantage against your spells. It's a bonus action to summon so you can cast the spell you want to land on the same turn and depending on placement can give disadvantage to multiple creatures and lasts until the wolf dies! Most creatures aren't going to be able to get away from the wolf especially if you drop a debuff that affects their speed.

[@JJV7243]

This is a great video for the DMs out there on how to make your monsters harder. Just give them 4x daily uses of silvery barbs (EACH!)

[@kclubok]

This character really needs a Sorcerer friend for Bend Luck. Otherwise, it's just underpowered.

[@Malisteen]

just burning through legendary resistance is more of an option if you have multiple characters playing along. I often play Conquest paladins, and have helped end encounters by forcing enemies to burn legendaries on cheap wrathful smites, opening them up to a banishment or the like from full casters in the party.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Yes, with enough casters you can theoretically burn through 3 legendaries really quickly.

[@BODELTOTE]

Isnt the DM able to *choose* to fail the saving throw and save their legendary resistances for higher spells?

[@PedroHISilva]

@@BODELTOTE yes the DM can, but I tend not to do it because most enemies can't identify on the fly what the PCs are casting. I would reserve this kind of tactic for very Intelligent BBEGs that have studied the party. Although, depending on the monster, wrathful smite can be debilitating enough.

[@Johnrobertx]

Hey Treantmonk, love the video. Is their a timeframe which we can expect a video from you on the new feats? Pretty interested to hear your thoughts on them.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

I will be going over the rules glossary and feats in videos soon. My parents are visiting right now, so I've delayed them a bit to spend some time with the folks, but will be working hard to get a good analysis out by this Friday (probably the glossary) and Monday (likely the feats on Monday)

[@Johnrobertx]

@@TreantmonksTemple Awesome! Thank you for your hard work

[@burningwp]

If your DM lets you choose summons, you can summon mites with blood boiling hex with conjure woodland beings.

[@muriomoira]

Well, when I woke up today I wasn't expecting a video to serve as magic item guideline for my lore bard/divine soul/order cleric but here we are! Jokes asside, nice video!

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

I think I would flavor this build as "the funniest man alive" because he has ridiculous spell DC but just uses it for Hideous Laughter

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@notoriousthief]

Monks need their dragonhide belt for sure, especially when a nat 1 on Constitution saving throw is still a 20 cuz they have +19 to con saves :(

[@TreantmonksTemple]

And of course Dragonhide belt doesn't measure up because the other +DC options also add to attack rolls. Poor monks.

[@notoriousthief]

@@TreantmonksTemple if we're talking attack rolls, the only options are the eldritch claw tattoo and the insignia of claws, the former which doesn't have a +2 or +3 option and the latter which is from a specific module. At least the second one does not require attunement.

[@cattiston374]

@@TreantmonksTemple Well actually it’s balanced because it gives you Ki poi- Hey wait a minute the BloodVeil Vial does the same and it gives a + to spell attacks wtf. Another case of Martial/Caster difference 😔, seeing as how all Monks want the Belt/Tattoo and Braces, while any caster can just be fine with 1 magic item

[@seasonalgoblin1708]

@@notoriousthief is requiring attunement worse?

[@notoriousthief]

@@seasonalgoblin1708 tattoo and belt already require attunement, and you probably want to have a separate useful magic item, or even the bracers of defense if you manage to get them

[@fatercoelho7476]

2:23 I'd love to get your opinion on how you would go about making an educated guess on what saving throw to target. do you just know the monsters? ask for descriptive advice on the creature? maybe based on the weapons they use? something else? phisical stats I feel can sometimes be guessed, they all have high CON and either high STR or DEX and maybe I can ask DM if the creature looks muscular or fast... still advice would be apreciated. but when it comes to mental stats, It gets a lot harder to guess. Some times i'm facing a caster and recognize it as a cleric spell and might guess high WIS, or i'm up against Strad and expect hich CHA, but generally it's very hard... like what would you target against a bear? do you always default to INT unless you have a reason not to? I'd love to see a video of how you would systemathically go about deciding what spell DC to use

[@morganpetros9635]

That's hilarious. "My level 2 Bard spells have a save DC of 35. Now I'm gonna shove my Detect Thoughts spell right up your @$$." 🤣

[@LeslieMRichardson]

Would a Warforged Chronomancer be immune to *that* exhaustion?

[@borisdaanimal4014]

use Sequester on yourself while in the Feywild to wait out all the hundred years, and when you return [if you're lucky or if you do a service] hardly any time might pass at all [like less than a year] if you get the 'days to minutes' effect

[@gregkun1]

I only use Heightened Spell on spells like Slow or Time stop. It's a great opener spell for boss battles or for cluch moment last resort.

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@Vidiri]

"My spell list is full of save or suck spells!" "Aren't those risky to use?" "Not with the abomination I'm playing."

[@recurve7]

I still enjoy these "just for fun" videos now and then. :)

[@raffelon9508]

18:35 Bag of Beans - Nest of Eggs times infinite = arbitrarily high ability scores, due to "a creature permanently increases its lowest ability score by 1" having no limit (thanks to Pack Tactics for making a video about that btw. otherwise I wouldn't know) and as far as I'm aware, there's no total limit for ability scores or casting dc in D&D, just that about every other way of rising this didn't forget to mention to what value at max

[@EvelynNdenial]

since artificer wizard and sorcerer all use parts of the arcane spell list you could just take all three classes get all 3 DC boosting items for each class plus the cleric one that is written wrong then cast a spell that all 3 arcane classes give you, letting you use the bonus from all the items. 38 spell save DC that way.

[@heatran1919]

I love the mental image of a Thri Kreen Bard One Man Band with the drum & accordion

[@nathanrollick1833]

Since the artificer can ignore class and race prerequisites, the artificer could raise that bonus to 37 with enhanced arcane focus in one hand and all purpose tool in the other...I believe

[@ridiculous1328]

Sometimes, you just REALLY need to land that Hideous Laughter.

[@Theonemanoffire]

Bloodhunter has ways to increase mental stats which can go above the threshold of 20 so you can have an int of like 24

[@WendellofIloilo]

A 13th level rogue Thief can also bypass an item’s class, race, and alignment restriction. Tack on a casting class to 7th level for some cool attack spells, such as banishment or polymorph, and you’re good to go for most of those presented items as a playable PC.

[@archmagemc3561]

Magic Beans can also increase your attributes but it requires a lot of beans to do it. But they are also rare AND consumable, so its much more likely you can find/buy them.

[@aaronjjacques]

For the tomes, you could rent or buy a safe on planes of hell. 1 day of time on that plane is only a minute of time on the prime material plane. They would reset every 26 days. (25.342)

[@Cl0ne66]

When I played a Bard who got a golden fiddle from Asmodious after winning it in a play off. If Johnny had lost, his souls would be cast out and his body become a vessel for Asmodious. Anyway, my DM and I reflavored the rhythm maker’s drum as new strings to put on my golden fiddle.

[@davidecolucci6260]

Wasn there a song about that?

[@Cl0ne66]

@@davidecolucci6260 yes the charachter was based off of The Devil went Down to Georgia by Charles Daniel’s Band. Getting the golden fiddle was my backstory, working in a mine in a small village. Playing the fiddle and cooking barbecue at village gatherings.

[@AndyReichert0]

next video suggestion: a character that can consistently cause a good chance of an enemy failing a spell save? you mentioned a lot of ways to do it, but i didn't catch if those were ways you could easily pull off 3 times per day (enough to burn through legendary resistances). it'd be cool to see what you could do for a monster-hunting mage.

[@mikedickens848]

Agree, would like to hear more on ways to optimize for forcing save failures. I appreciate that it was talked about. But would like to hear that elaborated more. Thanks for the video Chris.

[@skivernatnjilten493]

You can use multiple instances of the same item, stock up on those +3 amulets and ignore the instruments.

[@Serkesh77]

Adding to the discussion, if bloodhunter is an option (it's homebrew, I know, but it's popular and allowed at most tables I've played at) some of the Mutagens from Order of Mutant can be used to increase your casting score. Sagacity for example grants +4 int at 11th character level, so with 8 levels in Wizard or Artificer and 3 levels in bloodhunter it's possible to reach 24 intelligence

[@Serkesh77]

I really like this combination in an artificer, in addition to increasing the Spell DC, most artificer features are tied to the intelligence score. Flash of Genius, Arcane Jolt and Spell-Storing Item receive a great boost from this.

[@millsboy79]

Was thinking this video was going to be the rest of the play test (feats). When is that vid gonna drop?

[@rayt426]

Artificer gets the Enhanced Arcane Focus Infusion for +1 and eventually +2 to all spell attack rolls. I know it's not strictly applicable, as this video is specifically about DC's, but it's another way to improve a spellcaster! (And since this Frankenstein build took 14 levels of Artificer anyway, you may as well! lol)

[@JefCollier]

Haha. ~17:00 in, "I promised you a great spell DC. I didn't promise you a good character."

[@nathanguignard1316]

There's a reliable way to give a target disadvantage on saving throws that you might have missed: the Shadow Magic Sorcerer's Hound of Ill Omen ability that give the target of the Hound disadvantage on Saving Throws against spell you cast (as long as the hound is within 5 feet of it) The hound can move through other creatures and objects and takes 5 force damage if it ends its turn inside an object. RAW you could let the hound sit in the ground under or next to the target and take 5 damage until it dies (which at level 6 when you get this ability is 8 rounds -> 37HP from dire wolf plus 3THP from half your sorcerer level, 40total HP) This ability costs a bonus action and 3 sorcery points (same point cost as a heightened spell) and lasts for 5min or until either the hound or target die. It's a relatively cheap way to either obliterate a single target or take it out of the fight entirely (using save or suck spells like Hold Person/Monster, Polymorph, Disintegrate...) Keep up the good work treantmonk, love your videos

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@elizabethviolet8448]

There could be some shapechange/true polymorph creature that has some ability that lets you increase your spell save DC, but I don't think it's worth losing the attunement slots from artificer. We don't need higher ability scores and aside from a few monsters with "cleric" or "wizard" in parenthesis next to their name that could in theory substitute for multiclass requirements if we were turned into them, I didn't see anything in particular that was useful.

[@draegonspawn5361]

The tomes increase your cap by 2, you do not need to stop at 30. Specific beats general. So the general rule that a stat is capped at 30 is surpassed.

[@TheFlyingJester]

You could consider the -1D6 effect to be a flat -1, since it will always subtract at least that much

[@bernardofabrica]

now the question is: which bard spell should the thri-kreen choose to cast/upcast

[@benry007]

Can't cast command as they can speak a language the target can understand 😅

[@celecitaxerror9553]

Thrikreen lvl 20 Artificer +3 all purpose tools +3 Amulet of the Devout +2 Robe of the archmagi +3 Moon Sickle +3 Rhythm Maker's Drum +3 Blood well Vial +6 Proficiency bonus and a maxed out int to get a +5 you get a total of 36 for your spell save DC's and +28 to hit on spell attacks and the best part is it's playable and enjoyable, and you've not even gone M.A.D.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

The Tools, Sickle, Drum and Vial are all worded so more than one will never apply to the same spell.

[@celecitaxerror9553]

@@TreantmonksTemple ohhh yeah. youre right. i forgot about that.

[@LordDany]

tri ken musician 4 arms you can just use both no the consertina and the drums ?

[@exine_1794]

you can instead of using the concertina, use a +3 moon sickle and staff of the woodlands , then take a +3 amulet of the devout,, then loun stone then robe of the arch mage and if you have a 30 in wis its 8+7+10+3+3+2+2 for the same total (35), and you can now take a variant human or something other than a thri kreen. (however if you somehow got even more attunement slots you could take a +3 wand of the warmage) for a total of 38

[@elliotbryant3459]

Thri kreen is required because most the boosting items required being held by the caster to confer their benefits [moon sickle, concertina, staff, wand of the war mage]. So with sickle and concertina in hand, it leaves you with no hand for other components* like the somatic components for a staff spell or the other classes [* the artificer spells _may_ get around these by using a worn infusion as a focus -provided your DM rules you don't need a hand to manipulate the worn item]. Also the wand and staff don't increase your DC, they just increase your spell attack rolls. If he had gone to artificer 18 though, the character could attune to 6 items and still access the class restricted items due to magic item savant. Would just lose debuff benefits from the other subclasses and some casting progression. Also the class specific items are not super clear if they boost the DC's of all your casting or just those of the spells for the specified class(es).

[@benjaminholcomb9478]

Doesn't the aberrant dragonmark use your con? Which means this feat on a barbarian can gain an extra plus 2 from their capstone.

[@cchapa7470]

Very similar to an "Ultimate Summoner" build I made. Special note: you can bypass all those pesky spell Action requirements by pre-casting those spells into Glyphs of Warding. And you can bypass the "can't move it more than 10 feet" by casting your glyphs in a Demiplane... but then it costs you an Action/Bonus action (Quickened) to cast Demiplane which means you still lose a round for setup... unless, I suppose, you already cast demiplane before Combat... but then you're gonna want to cast it on an Actual door strapped to the fighter's back so your Demiplane could be mobile... not that I've thought about this or anything...

[@lysergidedaydream5970]

Gyph of warding is my favorite spell. For similarly silly reasons, dust of dryness is my favorite magic item

[@Similacrest]

I enjoy the occasional TO video, and I appreciate you clearly warning about it being TO!

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@ryanscanlon2151]

I don't think I can top your DC but I can make your character more viable with one swap. swap the Ion stone of mastery for a mizzium apparatus and take experience in arcana and you get access to the entire board spell list up to the level of your highest spell slot and you still have a 34 spell save dc

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@devin5201]

Now you can cast Suggestion and Hideous Laughter on any monster without fail... oh they're all immune to charm and incapacitate.

[@asturias0267]

Can you do a video about crafting magic items or the role of magic items in optimizing? I liked your section in this video about them.

[@scottballentine1846]

I will just take a 19 div wiz / 1 knowledge cleric without the bard stuff but a staff of power for a 32 instead.

[@macattack5863]

Do artificer spells count as wizard spells cause if they do for the purpose of these items you can't do the full thing without bard by using the staff of power

[@macattack5863]

Also depending on your dms thrikreen hands rule I believe you could get 36 with staff of the archmagi instead of an ioun stone.

[@kazzdevlin5339]

Step 1 obtain scroll with wish. Step 2 consult a lawyer on how to write a statement that has no ambiguous language in it. Cast wish spell framing it to avoid shenanigans wish for intelligence equivalent to onter

[@pettersonystrawman9291]

...we're gonna see how high we can legally get... Treantmonk - 2022

[@yourselfgaming897]

If you allow the blood hunt then you can get a plus 3 to intelligence

[@JugglingAddict]

I think I saw a Dungeon dudes video that mentioned some items that increase saving throw DC, but can only be used by warlocks.

[@jamesbedwell8793]

I think they've talked about Rod of the Pact Keeper, but that's mentioned here already and only effects Warlock spells

[@JugglingAddict]

@@jamesbedwell8793 They talked about 2 Items that were exclusive to warlock I believe.

[@Hyde_Hill]

@@JugglingAddict Yeah and this was pre Tasha and was indeed the rod of the pact keeper. The other item did not increase DC.

[@JugglingAddict]

@@Hyde_Hill Okay, I see. Thanks.

[@Lycaon1765]

Why level 1 cleric might I ask? A 14th level artificer ignores all race, class, and level requirements for using and attuning magic items.

[@davidecolucci6260]

You need to be religious enough to believe being able to find that many specific magic items in a campaign

[@rayclawicefire2503]

@@davidecolucci6260 find? your an artificer you make them.

[@davidecolucci6260]

@@rayclawicefire2503 if you find the recipies

[@rayclawicefire2503]

@@davidecolucci6260 there is no if you ask your GM before hand

[@davidecolucci6260]

@@rayclawicefire2503 well the GM is god in d&d

[@TheAdditionalPylons]

Reminds me of the max initiative build. If im remembering correctly, your analysis of that character was "this character is crap", LOL

[@travisholt7561]

I imagine marching tenor drum set of rhythm makers drum xD either 1 of each or three +3 drums :D

[@agentchaos9332]

Chronurgy isn't official content, if we're counting that then I'm sure I can find a dozen other homebrew ways to increase save DCs or hand out saving throw penalties on the Dmsguild or D&D beyond

[@tridentgreen3346]

Tmw when you’re playing a Cleric 1 dip/Wizard in a campaign rn. Time to get an Amulet of the Devout.

[@cameronpowell1864]

Lol you WILL be disturbed by my dissonant whispers

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@LordDany]

my imortal tree wizard waiting 99 years to use again the tome of health so i can reach more hp also the campain is heavy homebrewed so we are low level even tho quite powerfull theres lots of space to grow so i do want to have stats above 20 like the paladin already have

[@irakhlin]

Is cleric needed? 14 artificer removes the class restrictions for Amulet of the devout. Fun video and thanks for codifying this. i play an artificer in AL and have a ludicrous DC and spell to hit (not as high as this video of course because it is a practical character) but I have very few spells where it breaks the game when I cast them. Probably my best move is Web in my spell storing item at a DC 27 few things make the save. I do like this for casting low-level debuffs like Bane however which I got through Fey touched.

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@johngallant1629]

I’ve been wanting to see this video for years lol now I wander what would be its counter part, can a character get their save up enough to beat this guys spell save DC? My thoughts are”Yuan-Te, cleric peace domain, artificer alchemist,paladin watcher, & I’m not sure what else?”.

[@magdalenastorkova3491]

True Polymorph

[@witec83]

So I took this into D&D Beyond and tried a lvl 20 Artificer. It's telling me that My Artificer Spell Save DC is 35, so I'm guessing the Magic Item Savant is programed in D&D Beyond to override the class restrictions for saving throw DCs as well. I'm also guessing 35 is a hard cap in the code because when I added a +3 Rod of the Pact Keeper it stayed at 35. Either that or the Rod ignores Magic Item Savant or the coding isn't supposed to override class spell restrictions and Rod is the only one programed right.

[@elliotbryant3459]

maybe the rod is coded to only work for spells acquired through warlock progression -the item text specifics are bonuses to the spell attack rolls and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells, whereas the other enhanced focuses are only worded as bonuses towards "your spells"

[@witec83]

@@elliotbryant3459 I realized this morning that the rod is probably programed to work with Pact Magic spells. Because the Rythm-Makers Drum and Reveler's Concertina specify Bard only but they still raise the spell save DC for my artificer spells even without any levels in bard.

[@elliotbryant3459]

@@witec83 ya that's weird, the drum uses the same class specific language as the rod. Maybe the site knows you don't have enough free hands? Don’t know the language of your other dc boosting items, but both the instruments and the rod specify they need to be held to be in effect.

[@witec83]

@@elliotbryant3459 I was using the Thri-kreen so I had the extra hands.

[@elliotbryant3459]

@@witec83 hmm, well maybe you’ve found the websites cap then!

[@Tanthalasa83]

Aren't there boons that gives a +2 to the Charisma stat? similar to the tome, but if you add it after you maxed out charisma, wouldn't you then go above 30?

[@thenatetful]

Fun stuff!

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@Twisttheawesome]

Very, very niche but if you're playing a Chronurgy Wizard you could age the Tome by 100 years and theoretically keep using it once per day.

[@FallstarFL]

Abberant Dragonmark casts with constitution. LV 20 Barbarian boosts con above 20.

[@adamelalouf3600]

Taking three levels in mutant blood hunter allows you to increase your intelligence above 20, which would mean higher spell DC without magic items

[@fireballin1717]

Not to be 'that person.' And I might be wrong, wouldn't the combining magical effects rule in phb negate the use of the amulet of devout, bard drums and the other bard instrument so only one of the +3's would apply? Seeing they're almost identical effects and the believed intention was for every class to get one specific +3.

[@halliktom1]

you could use the drum on your back like an one man band, if your dm allows it

[@beowulf.reborn]

What are the best low level spells, that are good enough to get a monster to burn through Legendary Resistances?

[@stevesmith4600]

So, if you had a DC 35, this means you'll finally pick some save or suck spells?

[@JoeyTee420]

I have a wizard right now in a level 17 game; 22 int from a tome of clear mind, +3 arcane grimoire, staff of power, and robe of the archmagi pump my spell save to 25 👍🏼 +19 to hit with spell attack rolls

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@booklover4078]

Why are we a cleric artificer 14 level ability does more then give u 5 attunement slots it also says you ignore all class, race spell and level requirements on using and attuning to magic items

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@mikesands4681]

Be a first level wizard, find a kobold, poke it with your dagger down to 1 hp, cast sleep. Guaranteed to work and no save, which means the DC is infinite.

[@PoshSlothOG]

That was neat. Thank you

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@FuelDropforthewin]

So Trikreen bard to play two instruments at once. Edit: Hah! Called it!

[@JamesWiltshire01]

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[@tentacle_love]

But which spell is it? Vicious Mockery?