Horses Are Transforming Into Real Life CARTOONS

Horses Are Transforming Into Real Life CARTOONS and it needs to stop!
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[@Bellbottombluez]

As an Arabian owner - THANK YOU!!!!! Thank you for calling out how absolutely disgusting the exotic Arabian breeders are! Too many people do not acknowledge how abusive and irresponsible this type of breeding is 🙏🏻 this is such an amazing breed and they have become unrecognizable from what they began as- which was a sturdy and well built horse that was perfect the way they were

[@CHARLIE-pd1es]

"its a different type of arabian" like NO it is not

[@sunsetbun2662]

@@horse__boy1913 who's fake?

[@Ellaandjimbob]

I love that breed haybitch is terrible I hate her

[@sorrento2]

Thank you!!! For agreeing with this, you wouldn't believe the idiots I've argued with, Arabs a 100 years ago didn't look even close to how they do now

[@PestilentAllosaurus]

@@horse__boy1913 I'm not sure who the "Faker" is that you are pointing fingers at? Everyone here is applauding the disgusting breeding happening with Arabians and turning them into this large health concern. The Arabian Horse Owner you are applauding, is agreeing with Releigh. The only "Faker" that should be shamed are those breeding these cartoonish 90° angle snout horses and calling it normal, healthy and fine. *_That is fake, untrue, and false._*

[@Zeroshiki]

This happens a lot with fish, too. Betta fish and Goldfish are the most abused fish out of all species and are also selectively bred to hell. Some Betta fish can't even swim because of how big their fins are through selective breeding and lead tiring and short lives. And there are some downright gross looking Goldfish breeds, like Bubble-eye Goldfish, which have huge sacs under their eyes that can easily pop and become infected or Celestial Eye Goldfish, that can't even see because their eyes are facing up. Most people don't really care about fish and treat them like they aren't living things, when they are, and it hurts my heart to see.

[@sheritrayer]

All I say is bless your heart. What a great person. Thanks for your shared knowledge. 🕊️

[@kaitlyn1689]

I had to look up bubble eye goldfish and celestial eye goldfish after reading your comment, and good lord...

[@ericaevans3815]

The number of times over the years that I have had people ask me if my Arabian is part quarter horse is astounding. No, he's an actual functionally bred Arabian horse. He just has good bone and muscle and a slightly dished face that is indicative of his breed. He's an Arabian that was bred to be a hardy performance horse with good endurance, not a delicate air gasping monstrosity.

[@emk7132]

Same here!!

[@NatLaS]

“Delicate air-gasping monstrosity” is now how I will forever think of any animal that has been bred to the point of health issues. Thank you

[@julliustanguilan9688]

👁👄👁?

[@thepaganapostate3208]

wow... I love how you phrase that final line... I would quote tweet it if I could...

[@EdinburghMayhem]

Yes! THIS! A dished nose does not mean bent all out of shape.

[@Dekubud]

As someone with a deviated septum who can barely breathe out of one of my nostrils, I agree with you it's cruel. Doing endurance exercise has always been difficult for me because I can only breathe through my mouth, otherwise I feel like I can't get enough air in. I feel bad for animals who adore physical activity like horses and dogs but can't get exercise because of how they were bred.

[@psychonauty2020]

chronic mouth breathing esp at night causes so , so many health issues including lowered cognitive ability, sometimes developmental issues, structure and function issues, higher susceptibility to infection, so many other issues! if you feel like it's limiting you , please pursue a consultation with a ENT specialist, you deserve to feel better, praying for you 🙏💖

[@taralorraine9814]

Normally, after a surgery, a dog would try to get the oxygen/gas tube out of their nose because it's extremely uncomfortable, but brachycephalic dogs like to have it in because it's so much easier for them to breathe, which shows just how uncomfortable they usually are. :( This is so sad and great that you are touching on this subject

[@tomorrowhowever7488]

True! Anesthesia is very dangerous for them. They must be closely monitored as it requires them more time to breathe on their own.

[@itssosarahh]

That is insanely sad to me. I hate irresponsible "designer" breeding so much.

[@ethnedragon8287]

Can confirm. If we look at old pictures of bull dogs, boxers, dachshunds (for different reasons), we see what they were supposed to look like. Not these deformed animals who can't even play without fear of over heating, spinal injury or just dropping dead. Humans are such assholes to animals in our need to tinker and tinker around until they're deformed.

[@Korvotronn]

that's true, because brachy breeds are so commonly backyard bred compared to other breeds of dog. but I also will note, there 100% are well-bred brachy dogs out there. I've seen them myself, doing show conformation along with heavy sports that a poorly bred dog couldn't do. the breed is not inherently the issue, people purchasing and supporting backyard breeders are.

[@jadecoolness101]

@@Korvotronn there are not well bred brachycephalic dogs, if it has a short snot, it has trouble breathing, every time.

[@michellep4792]

I was horrified when I first saw this horse a few years ago. It reminded me a bit of what has happened to German Shepherd dogs. Both of these animals originally were valued for their physical fitness, endurance and strength - these valuable characteristics have been bred out to make them look a certain way. This leaves them as being good for nothing but being looked at. People are really stupid and prioritise the most ridiculous things.

[@emmetthowell899]

Well bred work line Shepards like police dogs/farm dogs don’t have the short back legs that show line dogs do that hyperflexes their spine all the time. But many German shepherds people get as pets have the very curved back and it can be hard to find a well bred shepard and it’s so sad to see

[@aidanham]

Another point for the folks saying that it isn't all that bad. Since he's not an endurance arabian just a halter arabian... First and foremost this arabian is a horse. It's natural for horses to make miles, stretch their legs, run, buck, frolic and play. An obstructive airway infringes on that. Being able to act and express natural behaviour is part of animal welfare. It's so cruel to have animals fight for their breaths because of our silly "beauty" standards.

[@jmcg9822]

Restricting the airway while still having an athletic body creates an animal like the boxer that has a lot of energy and needs to expend that energy, but can’t because they can’t get enough oxygen when they try, even while breathing though the mouth, which a horse can’t do. It’s horrible.

[@bonnieharris8855]

Yes, it is just objectively cruel! They think because some humans are pleased by looking at deformed animals, that is justification for creating them.

[@Deej496]

Bravo..... Exactly!

[@Chiwowza]

Like imagine thinking that an animal doesn't need to have functional anatomy because they aren't being used in a sport

[@aidanham]

@@jmcg9822 100% it's so incredibly cruel. It's infuriating really that people have taken it this far.

[@rebeccacisco9420]

I am a small breeder (not a back yard breeder), of Arabians. I'm glad you addressed this subject, Raleigh. I have had some outright arguments caused by my speaking out on this subject. I don't like calling it as selective breeding, because a good breeder should be selective to make sure that they are not breeding deformities or health issues. This trend is mostly through a group of of owners that got it into their feeble minds to breed "Living Art." It was the stupidest thing ever to take horses known for their superior ability in endurance and strength and distort the characteristics that made them the horse that improved most other light breeds. It's completely asinine. Arabians are known for longevity, and I guarantee that these horses that have been bred for exaggerated traits won't live long lives and the lives they have will be miserable. I am very selective with what I breed, because I breed old lines to preserve the Arabian horse in it's original form. The Arabian head is beautiful and recognized in it's proper form. I agree with you that breeders purposely breed traits that over exaggerate should be banned. And judges should be kicking them out of the show ring, not celebrating them.

[@terrisomers7843]

I couldn't agree more! But the problem with the judges is they know the owners/trainers/handlers/breeders. They're all interconnected, and the judges recognize whoever is whatever and will pin the class accordingly. I was also a small Arabian breeder up in the northeast. I bred very specific bloodlines. I bothered to show my stallion in 1 Class A Arabian show, and the judges never even bothered to turn their heads. So I started showing in Open Performance shows, and we started racking up wins. That's what got my boy recognized. None of my horses had exotic heads, but they were instantly identifiable as Arabs. Another issue with today's Arabs would be their size/legs. Look back at any of the old pictures of the breed from the 70's and 80's. They had much better legs back then. And we weren't seeing 16h horses as much as we are now. The breed's image as a versatile family friendly horse is pretty much gone now. 😢

[@katb9501]

This topic sadly isn't talked about enough. I've been having the same frustration w/ selective breeding of animals, & how delusional & selfish ppl are

[@Lazyspaceout]

it depends on the breed some don't have these issues other breeders also do genetic testing them to try and breed the healthiest animals. but thus is for looks alone

[@theilluminati682]

I always think I might be the only one that looks at a dog and thinks "wow, this and that body part is so deformed, this looks so far from the wolf" every single time. There is rarely a time that I get to have a good long look at a dog where I don't think these things. Unless my brain is too occupied with something else to judge that stuff.

[@sharontalaga5924]

Thank you for bringing this topic up. I have been a fan of the Arabian for years. But lately I have noticed how deformed there faces are getting, which also troubled me. People who breed can't seem to leave the Standards alone....they have to change them. That is why in Dogs, German Shepherds were ruined by American breeders. They wanted more angulation in there rears which made them almost walking on there hocks, let alone cause dysplasia in the rear. Thank you for bringing this up. Hopefully with enough people getting attention to this issue it will stop. I feel these breeders should be jailed and fined for abuse and unethical breeding.

[@jmcg9822]

Delusion is the right word, they’ve deluded themselves into thinking an animal is an object they can do whatever they want to without consequences.

[@oliveman9065]

@@theilluminati682 You’re not alone, i’ve always wondered what appeal people see in most breeds

[@h.s.6269]

It's a topic that really needs to get talked about. In particular, it's become way too widely accepted for dogs to be this way for cuteness. My dad had a purebred bull dog who ended up going into cardiac arrest and died because she got too excited and ran around after a long road trip. She was a trucker dog, so she was used to long rides too... And hardly anyone knows about the pain that Scottish fold cats have, I'm glad you mentioned it here.

[@viridiantheforest1037]

I had no idea about the Scottish folds!😰

[@JohnDoe-ov7hc]

People deform themselves for the sake of getting attention, making money, and because they are narcissists who often have other mental issues, so this "fad breeding" at it's worst, although disgusting, and abusive in my opinion with some of it (and also fad training), is nothing new. I surely hope that ethical, honest judges who really care about horses will put their foot down and not place these horses well, sending a clear message to those people who do this crap. However, because many judges who judge at the top levels have their primary source of income as their judging jobs (many of them started as trainers, but they put that aside to judge full-time), they clearly do not want to end up on the bad side of the powerful, monied breeders, owners, and trainers who have the power to blackball them and make sure they won't get those well paid judging jobs at the "A" shows, so many of them will do what they need to do in order to keep those movers and shakers in the industry happy and winning. I've seen this happen over the past 40+ years at Arabian, QH, Paint Horse, Appaloosa, Morgan, Saddlebred, Andalusian, and TWH shows I've attended with clients and while disgusting and abusive in many cases in my opinion, those with the money and power continue their BS with fad breeding and fad training because it's often the only way they can win.......at least for a while. I wrote an article about this issue 20 or so years ago that was published on commercial equine websites, but I can't find it now.

[@Mupyeong]

"Look at my cute animal that is constantly gasping for air and suffering horrific sores from these beautiful skinfolds!"

[@letmein1x]

My first reaction is "he's deformed". I think I've seen this referred to as a seahorse head/face. It's stupid when the Arabian breed is known for stamina, & you breed for something that will diminish that.

[@XWierdThingsHappenX]

Right? It's such an ugly horse the poor thing looks like it has genetic disease. I dont get why it's being called desirable.

[@jennifer1110]

I thought the same. I don't understand why people would want to intentionally cause that trait to continue.

[@Ozunicorn1]

Agree. They are ugly bred this way. No doubt health issues will arise from this.

[@psychonauty2020]

I thought he was born like. birth defects. or premature and different development? does he also have no fur in places on his face and body?

[@nikkicarpenter4136]

I love Arabians because of their elegant look. Part of that is because of their heads. This does not look right. I would have thought it was a birth defect. Bless his heart, he looks more like a porpoise than a horse.

[@midnitemango3438]

I recently lost my black, Egyptian mare. A granddaughter of Saud el Ameer. She was short, stocky and had a gentle dish to her face. Like another poster said, I was CONSTANTLY asked if she was a part Arab. But no. She was a healthy, ornery, little spitfire with astonishing endurance and a knack for working cattle. She made it to 21 until she colicked due to a tumor in her intestine. She will always be my heart horse.

[@jasring3143]

I lease a stockier polish arabian. He is fully arabian with papers and everything and even after I say he has papers and even tell them is show name I have been told I'm lying, he is half quarter horse, or that he's poorly bred. But funny thing is he's 11 and has had like no issues health wise mean while the show arab at my barn is constantly going lame and even has a club foot. Like when did well bred polish arabians immediately become "cross breds" because they aren't over bred egyptian ones??

[@perkasami6305]

​@@jasring3143When did people stop being able to recognize an Arabian? If they can't recognize a Polish Arabian as an Arabian, they haven't seen many Arabians.

[@aca2283]

Thank you for calling out this “designer breeding”. I used to work for an Arabian breeder and was horrified at the physically, mentally and and functionally impaired horses they produced in their myopic desire to produce caricatures rather than healthy, natural offspring. I’m so sorry for this little colt and all the other animals we humans mutilate to satisfy some humans sick desire for aesthetics.

[@warriormaiden9829]

Worst part is, he's already up for stud. 5 years old, and he's already being used to pump out more deformities.

[@xSoSurreal]

@@warriormaiden9829 Wow. That’s sad.

[@xSoSurreal]

I’m afraid to ask but what happens to the horses that don’t ‘make the cut’...? (I guess since they’re purposely producing deformed horses they don’t get to many that don’t.)

[@jessparish8165]

It’s getting to be a bit like dog breading … and the smaller the horse that needs to be brought up dwarf horses the size of dogs is not ok

[@Em22-wtf]

I went to animal grooming school in Boston, quite a few yrs back and this is one of things they STRESSED about a LOT.... Backyard breeding of animals. Specifically "designer" dogs & cats. At that time it was the "tea cup" version of already little breeds. There's no "tea cup" pom or whatever else that was gaining huge popularity bc useless celebs were carrying or selling "handbags" for dog carriers. Tea cup isn't a thing... What BECAME a thing was breeders literally breeding deformities. And usually they were breeding the runts of the litter, regardless of the OTHER genetic deformities that would be passed on along with the abnormally small sizes. We'd see dogs with ear, skin, & eye issues like YAAA no kidding these dogs are now having massive issues, these people are no longer only breeding the "pick of the litter" with these beautiful bloodlines traced back for decades.... Now they're mearly breeding the most deformed pup of the liter that had it been born in nature with no human around to help, wouldn't even have survived. It's exactly why you don't see "retarded" animals in nature. It's also why you hear about mothers eating their young, because she knows it probably won't survive and if it did, it may breed another genetic disorder that will pollute the gene pool, if you will. I found it all very interesting. One of the instructors had about 5 "hybrid" wolf dogs, which is a whole different level of utter cruelty that will break your heart. Edited to add: she had taken in these hybrids to try to give them some type of life after they were either found or give up bc they became too much for their owners to handle. Breeding a lonnng domesticated animal with a VERY wild, non domestic animal is absolute cruelty!! It's like half the dogs brain is screaming love me pet me, the other half is screaming get away from me, attack, kill 😳 can you IMAGINE having half your brain telling you to eat your family?! It's effn cruel & anyone that does this to an animal, well, let's just say alzheimers would be an easier ending to their lives, but I wouldn't be sad if that was their karmic justice. 🤷‍♀️ I'm just surprised this nonsense is spreading to the horse world now. I love how they say these animals have no health issues... Umm, they literally bred a deformity... That IS an issue. These people should be charged with animal cruelty and banned from ever breeding animals. Any animals. At this point, I question their ability to responsibly breed & raise humans

[@trixiecox6433]

Been screaming about this a long while now xC Arabians are now and have always been my fav breed. I obsessed over the stories of Godolphin and that entire bloodline. Arabian horses are endurance horses, bred to survive in inhospitable conditions and move quickly across sandy and rocky terrains. A boasting point is wide, flared nostrils, slight dishing, and well sprung ribs for maximum lung inflation. Turning them into a fkng Pug is a nightmare I can't get out of it. I feel like the Arabian Quarterly magazine I feel had a large part of creating the breeding trends for bracycephalic heads. It's a nightmare. It is abuse. It is downright criminal.

[@brinacodding2573]

I remember the first time I saw a post about that horse. The poster was saying how "gorgeous" he was and how they would love to have a horse like him. And so many people were agreeing, i was sitting wondering who's nightmare that horse was spawned from

[@cynn3367]

And there it is in a nutshell. Why were so many agreeing? Did they know anything about Arabians or horses? Or did they just go along because it must be fashionable since the presenter said this was a good thing. Who decided this was a good thing???

[@annitheotaku5722]

@@cynn3367 even if I knew nothing about horses I wouldn't think that looks fashionable or healthy. I sometimes wonder what goes on in some peoples brain

[@PageShearling]

That horse is ugly af to me and I know nothing about horses.

[@feuerling]

​@@annitheotaku5722 I think their brains mixed up the kindchenschema and the uncanny valley somewhere along their development.

[@childcrone]

Yes! I find it absolutely repulsive.

[@PatriciaStephens-ou9hf]

I appreciate you calling this out! I've never been a horse owner, but I have loved Arabians as a breed since reading King of the Wind, and the Black Stallion books. Recently I have noticed that these horses have become caricatures of themselves. I actually wondered if I was the only one noticing the exaggerated dished face of modern Arabians. I am no judge of conformation, but it doesn't look good to me. I hope American breeders will take notice of this issue, and allow their Arabians to breathe!

[@اسامهالحميد-ي9ت]

A very strange thing when you see pictures of ancient Arabian horses and how they differ from the current horses We have it in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Endurance races We consider head arching to be a fatal flaw in endurance Also, our Arabian horses that achieve endurance have long straight faces

[@kiberrose1229]

We call it Show and Sport tipes of breeding. Sport horses tend to be more original looking, more powerful. Show tipe breeding did not only ruin the arabians, but also some dog breeds, such as the german shpherd, great danes, etc. People tend to believe that some show tipe standards are better, when this is complete irresponsible and unethical towards the animal you breed to suffer

[@LBeditz07]

It’s the same in Romania and I have barely seen anyyyy Arabians that have an arched face because especially for the horses it causes so many health issues and like because they’re mostly used in endurance literally all the ones I’ve seen have straight or just like very slightly arched but nothing dramatic you know. The only places I’ve seen that have rlly de formed Arabians are usually with Gypsies (not trying to be rude it’s just true for Romania) and it’s so sad to see cause u can tell they’re struggling and it’s sas

[@kiberrose1229]

@@LBeditz07, I call them pugs of horse, because yes, a lot of health issues is common. I just can't see what's beautiful about them. Original look is the one I'm going for in this case. Arabians are beautiful, even tho they have a fiery personality, I love them as they are. Thankfully most breeders don't follow those strange curve standards

[@gerryreilly4595]

@@kiberrose1229 ..

[@ashleighcrowe966]

This! My family has an arabian stallion from old blood and i cannot count how many times hes been mistaken for a young/lightly built quarter horse. Peiple are ahocked when they are told hes what arabians are supposed to look like!

[@SaraNightfire1]

I have a Ragdoll mix cat. We got him from a family friend who took the mother in when a coworker could no longer own her due to family circumstances. At the time, we didn't know the breed or the father of the kitten. We researched his breed and found out his characteristics and looks compared to Ragdoll and figured out that he was a mix. Anyway, when I was reading up on the breed and was HORRIFIED to find out that due to inbreeding the average lifespan for the breed was nine years old. Yes, nine. Mainly due to kidney failure. I have people who don't believe me when I mention the statistics. I haven't met someone who has. Another note: A horse rescue had a horse like this rescued from an auction. Not even four, they were horrified by the condition and really said they didn't really have a choice since they could hear her breathing across the pasture. She was given the last act of kindness.

[@zayantehollowranch666]

I have been screaming about this as a vet tech for decades, German shepherds and sloped back so bad the hip dysplasia is almost gaurunteed, the poor bull dogs can't give birth to there puppies because of the size of there heads ....the list just goes on....preach it sister

[@pinkiepie6880]

I've known people with German Shepherds and their hips always give out... one got to the point where it couldn't even walk properly, was urinating and defecating itself where it lay. The owner ended up having to euthanize it, but before hand she let it suffer for years because she couldn't let him go. I don't necessarily always agree with euthanasia but if we didn't inbreeding animals for physical characteristics we wouldn't have these problems.

[@beatrice1089]

hey, i have terriers (2 scottish terriers and 1 west highland white terrier) is their anything physically wrong with them? do they have any normalities because of selective breeding?

[@blued6012]

@@beatrice1089 i recommend you do alot of research on the dog breeds you own :)

[@Evy_Holat]

GSDs don't have sloped backs. It's a form of stacking, AKA the way handlers make their dogs stand fancy in the show ring.

[@emmetthowell899]

There’s really two types of German shepherds. Show line German shepherds technically have straight backs they just have short back legs and get hip dysplasia and back issues almost always and the look doesn’t just come from the posing in dog shows because even standing normally their back slopes down very obviously. However work line German shepherds (police, service dogs, farm dogs, guard dogs, etc) have equal length front and back legs so there isn’t such extreme pressure on their hips and back from them not being able to hold the spine straight so work line shepherds are much less likely to have those problems. Especially since people who responsibly breed work line shepherds specifically breed to have the most healthy, fit, and well behaved dogs possible so they can fulfill their import roles in society.

[@phantomandmistysso]

My rinding instructor has an over bred Friesian horse and for a while he had a lot of health problems.😢 Thank you for speaking out about this issue.❤

[@virginialangford3416]

Friesian horses hit a population bottleneck after WWl when they died in great numbers on the battlefield. Then the registry made it worse by restricting the color to black only. They wound up with a genepool so shallow that it was impossible to avoid inbreeding and a lot of lethal recessives started showing up when the breed became fashionable and was and is being overbred.

[@helloitsbella8161]

Worth noting that there are brachycephalic RABBITS, too. Lopped breeds with the "cute" little round heads are brachys. Healthy rabbit head shape is more elongated with upright ears, and not enough people are talking about this.

[@aquabluerose7734]

Thank you for informing me! This needs to get out there, so people don't unintentionally keep buying the pugs of the rabbit world.

[@nickolasperazzo8254]

Finally someone pointed out, they may look cute, they have lots of issues

[@debra1363]

Yeah,if you HAVE to think about cartoons,think of the original Bugs Bunny with his elongated face and big ears,as opposed to the later "cuter"fluffy round face most of us know.The first one,translated to a real rabbit,is much healthier.

[@catpoke9557]

Nobody realizes this is unhealthy because unlike most brachycephalic animals, flat faced rabbits actually are really cute. So people don't realize something is wrong. It's unfortunate.

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

Dang, I didn't know that. They're so common I thought it was normal.

[@siiiiiuu7]

The cruelty of human beings knows no limits, truly. Like, just when I think I've heard it all, I learn of some new insanely inhumane thing. Thank you Raleigh for constantly educating and calling this type of shit out.

[@Thediabeticequestrian]

My mum has a pug and his constant struggles to just breathe actually break my heart. It’s awful. I don’t understand why we would “create” an animal that can’t even ffing breathe like what is wrong with humanity 😭 Thank you for talking about this. I think any normal & empathetic animal lover would agree with everything you said.

[@catpoke9557]

Pugs are the sweetest breed of dog I've met and they have to suffer every day because of humans. It's awful.

[@griffy9639]

i had a pug mix and she did have a pretty good snout due to the other breed so no breathing issues, but developed cancer very young and toward the end of her life had many other diseases, and i've kinda wondered if being part pug had anything to do with that

[@katrinascarlet5637]

I never got the whole smushed face = cute thing. I thought "Well no wonder they're always fat, buddy can't breathe enough to run." Meanwhile my border is 28 pounds of solid muscle because she refuses to go more than 10 minutes without doing her parkour routine through the house.

[@catpoke9557]

@@katrinascarlet5637 The only smooshed face animals I've seen that are actually cute is rabbits. Which unfortunately means a LOT of them get bred. It's just as bad for them as other animals.

[@-..l]

Personally, pugs are hideous. Munchkins are stupid. Seriously. Did our selective breeding fuck with their braincells? Every munchkin I have ever met, although cute, was stupid af.

[@terrisomers7843]

Retired Arabian horse breeder/trainer here. Thank you for bringing this up. Most of us who are involved with breeding older Arabian horse bloodlines meant to actually DO something are discussing this very issue. The Arab breed has historically been known for its "dished face, large nostrils, and teacup muzzle.", a description that has been taken far too literally. The true desert-bred type of Arab doesn't have that extreme look. The original description said that when the nostrils were distended while breathing, the appearance of the face being "dished" becomes more pronounced. The desert horses needed the large nostrils and sinuses to cool down the extremely hot desert air to prevent damage to the lungs. What's happening here is that over the ages, Arabian horses in art are usually depicted the way this colt looks. Extreme to the point of being comical. Don't get me wrong-they do have dished faces. Just not to this extent. But the only way we're going to get rid of it is when the big money breeders/owners/clients, etc, run out of supporters. Unfortunately, this kind of look is extremely popular in the Middle East as well as the behavior of the stallions being shown and allowed (and encouraged) to act up. Watch some of the shorts on KZbin, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The old-fashioned version of the Arabian horse is likely to become an endangered species at this rate. 😢

[@lindacampbell5546]

Raleigh you are so right. I am a vet tech who has helped when some of these dogs suffered severe respiratory distress from trying to breath. Also, have assisted on emergency c-sections for dogs unable to pass their “big head” puppies. It is infuriating.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Would plastic surgery help animals born with these issues?

[@hannahjans5742]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Do they actually perform (idk if that's the right word for it) plastic surgery on animals?

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@hannahjans5742 I don't know, but this would be a good reason for starting the practice! Definitely need regulations though so people don't mindlessly do it to pursue a certain beauty standard for pets.

[@m6666]

@@DrawciaGleam02 plastic surgery helps to hide impurities in the show ring, however these animals are then bred and the imperfections are passed onto offspring. I can't see though how that would help any Arabs that are bred like this unfortunately. These poor horses are on a slow and agonising short life sentence. The day that they're either ridden too hard or run in the paddock for too, they could quite possibly just collapse from shortness of breath or even die. It's very sad that people think it's okay to deform such an already beautiful horse.

[@cherylmillard2067]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Yes by removing excess tissue to open the nasal airways for dogs, like Pugs.

[@ProfessorMonstru]

Look no further than French bulldogs and pugs to see just how far humans are willing to pursue their vanity, to the direct detriment of animals' quality of life. It's disgusting. Edit: I wrote this in the first minute of the topic, and I'm really glad Raleigh covered exactly the issue I mentioned. Thanks for being a champion for ethical treatment of animals and providing thorough information to us here on KZbin, Raleigh! ♥

[@annabellez8397]

i’m glad ur speaking out about this! i’ve always found the excessive breeding cruel and uneccesary. i’ve had friends who had their pugs die at ages 4 and 5 respectively, both with respiratory problems. this entirely cosmetic and just horribly cruel to these animals.

[@rosiecatbandit]

Same. French bulldogs are really big here in the UK but it's sad to see how squashed they've become. Same with Persian cats. I can't imagine making an Arab horse unable to breathe looking like that. This look is just a deformity.

[@shauxuhrwilsongrim]

It is also the fault of people who buy these breeds. I have done research for half a year now to find the most healthy dog breed that also works for me temperament wise. Too many people get a dog just because of how they look like, and sometimes because the breed is popular. To be honest I wouldn't get a dog of those breeds even as a rescue (as to not give money to breeders), as they are very likely to need expensive healthcare throught their lives. I'm glad there are breeders who are trying to breed these dogs to be more healthy, as in the problem is recognized, but in some cases I think it would be better to just.. abandon the breed altogether. Even if they are slowly making them healthier, they will still have dogs with bad issues along the way.

[@EsmeraldaWolfsbane7777]

Yup gsd don't look like gsd they look like fluffy teddy bears they aren't supposed to look like that

[@romeliaanddixie]

Selective breeding could be good or bad. Unfortunately so many people ruined pugs by smashing in their faces. Thankfully kettles like the AKC typically don’t have pugs with a bunch of health issues but it is still very common. Like even the German Shepherd a lot of people like to say they’re unhealthy dog breeds but in reality they are not they are one of the healthiest dog breeds out there the only unhealthy ones you see are products of puppy mills for backyard breeders which are breeders who breed for money only

[@1suitcasesal]

You are 100% correct! Thank you for calling this out. I rescued an older Arabian show mare. Her bite and teeth were so weird you wouldn't believe it. She had a severe under bite. It was definitely abnormal. She was pregnant when I rescued her. This wasn't known to me. Thankfully her foal is completely normal. I still have her foal and she is now 13 years old and normal and healthy.

[@yms4355]

I'm a hamster keeper. A single hairless hamster was born and now it's all the rave. They most often are born severely disabled and die within the first year. Meanwhile in the axolotl community in Thailand people are injecting FOOD DYE into axolotls to "make them prettier". They have 10 fold shorter life spans due to this abvse.

[@gabrielbernard5440]

wtf, people always find new things to breed wrong with animals.

[@utagarnett1421]

The first time I ever saw a picture of this particular horse I thought it was deformed or had a drastic accident. There is nothing even remotely desirable in the looks of this animal/horse. It was later that some of my horse owner friends told me this is becoming a preferred standard among Arabian horses. Total madness. Apparently they are also changing the preferred standard among Quarter horses too, making them also look totally hideous. Thank you for calling this out, there are many who agree with you on this.

[@donnagardner1615]

Quarter Horses are also being bred in a very distressing manner...the "Halter" quarter horse has dangerous mutations and look horribly misshaped. I would love to see an informational talk/video on this topic! :)

[@user-md7mk7fb8g]

I also mentioned the halter QH and what the AQHA is doing to these animals. Deplorable.

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

Agree. Halter QH are extremely bulky....to their own detriment. Tiny hooves often dobt support their overly bulky frame.

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

LETHAL WHITES. Terrible.

[@martianalligatorfarm3561]

Glad you brought that up,the "halter" quarter horse is a meat breed didreserch into this a long time ago

[@sandragrant2771]

Agreed, they’re starting to look the same shape as beef bred bulls

[@lauras610]

Thank you for being a voice for creatures who cannot speak for themselves. ❤

[@KairiPrime]

This makes me so sad. My favorite horse I ever rode was a purebred Arabian mare, but she looked nothing like that. She had a bit of a dish to her face, but nothing like that poor colt. It honestly looks like his face is broken. I can't understand how anyone can look at that and think that it's okay.

[@sierrahardy7067]

As an Arabian owner who has also bred a few foals (responsibly and with wonderful bloodlines), I want to thank you for calling this out!!! This is so sad! Not to mention disgusting. Humanity needs to be less greedy and more caring. For instance, I really want a German Shepherd. But sadly, I’m going to have to be very careful of the dog I get because they’ve had so many bad things bred into them such as neuroticism. I hope genuine Arabian owners and breeders start speaking out more on this issue, and that maybe in the future something will change for the better. Sadly, most of this exotic breeding is done overseas. But one can hope and dream!

[@ChristinaValkyrie]

I had an arabian horse many years ago, and ever since then the breed has had a special place in my heart. I remember the first time I saw a picture of this horse, I was so shocked and incredibly saddened to see how the breed has been developing, I could hardly believe my eyes. I really hope people are able to see how bad this is before too many horses are bred with this deformity, even though it doesn't sound promising :/

[@lunaredelvour2972]

Always good to see people talking about selective breeding like this. I've heard people talking about it in dogs, but that's pretty much the only place I hear it and no one seems to take it seriously. I remember looking at an Arabian like this and it reminded me of the time I tried to sculpt a clay model and accidentally squeezed the face. Poor horse needs help, and lots of it - I don't know how he's still breathing Edit: during the explanation of the anatomy of a horse, I pressed down on my nose. Only a bit to mimic the obstruction roughly. Just a few seconds and I had to stop so I could breathe again or change to breathe through my mouth...neither of which these horses are able to do. Give it a shot and put yourself in their hooves for a second if you're struggling to see just how bad this is, even for horses who won't actually be used for sport

[@augustheights]

"he's not an endurance horse, he's a halter horse so it doesn't matter" proof that they just see horses as objects and not living, sentient beings

[@kalayne6713]

I have to say, I blame social media for animal influencers who show off their animals as beautiful, litters of French Griffons, or pugs, or bulldogs, Pekinese or cats with squashed up faces. Horses are the same. Its disgusting and cruel. We have to stop it somehow.

[@bigbigrat]

Yes FINALLY someone is talking about this! I genuinely can't believe how many people sweep these issues under rug, thank you Raleigh for talking about this and backing it with science

[@dravonwalker2352]

I’ve never seen that before - thank you for the education. Couldn’t agree more! The German Shepherd is another example near and dear to my heart - hip and elbow dysplasia is a horrible thing.

[@bonnieharris8855]

I remember the first time I saw a photo of this horse. I was horrified! I wondered why they hadn't put him down at birth, because I thought it was a tragic birth defect. I am with you 100% on this. I am involved with dogs, and it amazes me how Breeders can't seem to see their dogs anymore. There is nothing good or natural about a severely over angulated rear end! It is not "strong". It does not help a dog in any way. Yet many, many breeds are beginning to go toward this GSD rear end look. It's bad enough that a wonderful breed like the GSD has to suffer in this way, but to put in on other breeds? Breeds that are supposed to be athletic and have lots of endurance and agility? But the stuff with horses-the feet on Quarter Horses, these ridiculous heads, the auto immune and metabolic disease that are becoming more common. A horse is meant to carry or pull. Unless you are rich enough to just keep them as pasture ornaments. Why do people then breed for "show" an animal that they KNOW cannot do either of those things? Humans seem to want to ruin everything they get their hands on. I also lay equal, if not the majority, of blame on "judges" in these shows that keep rewarding these poor things for being deformed. Shame on them. They can just not place a whole class, if they feel none are worthy of placement. At least in dogs. They can award just one dog, or two, even with just third and fourth place. But they don't, because it would piss off too many people, and they would never get another assignment. There was a time when I was encouraged to become an AKC judge. Never. All that work, and I would be banned before long for tossing out whole classes. I don't know the answer, unless people just stop going to livestock shows of any kind, and that will never happen. PS: Selective breeding is not inherently a bad thing. It is what gives us domestic animals, healthier animals, more talented animals in their purpose. But, like so many things, people think that throwing two dogs together makes them a "Breeder". No, it makes them a puppy producer. If you have no idea about even basic genetics, the history of your breed, and which diseases and faults need to be eliminated, you have no business breeding. It is appalling to me, most of the people who call themselves "breeders". No, they are not.

[@hannahjans5742]

@@griffy4379 My granny has two miniature poodles, and because of that I absolutely adore Standard Poodles and Miniature Poodles. But seeing all those poodle mixes drives me mad. Sure, some of them can be cute, but most of the mixes I see are severely overbred. For example, the 'labradoodle', eventually they didn't even look like a labradoodle anymore. You would get litters with puppies that all looked different (I'm not talking about colour). Seeing this breaks my heart, especially the non-experienced people that would buy puppies in corona time (mainly labradors and any doodle mix), claiming that they are 'easier to handle'.

[@m6666]

@@griffy4379 exactly! I have a mini but prior to him I had standards and absolutely love the breed. My biggest peev now is the party poodles. Poodles are being bred with two colours and in doing so the breed standard goes out the window. I've seen many photos of these party poodles and they really don't have that beautiful athletic body anymore. There are oodle breeders who are trying to make a standard so that they can become registered breeders. People who buy these breeds love the long coat look but have no idea how to look after them and then find it's too much hard work to brush them regularly. So they take them to groomers who then spend hours blowing and brushing through the coats and they wonder why they're charged so much. So instead of going regularly to the groomers they try to save money and put it off as long as a couple of months to the point where the poor dogs are so matted that they can barely move. I've also had several Arabs over the years and my oldest boy actually had desert breeding in him. Not many Arab owners can say that. When I saw this photo I was mortified. These horses are beautiful animals as they were originally bred for endurance. I'd ride my boys all day long over weekends (as well as after work every day) and he loved it. There is absolutely no way this horse can be ridden for any length of time. Yes, this is another example of breeding for the show ring and after that it will be useless. It's such a sad and unfortunate situation when people decide to play God with the lives of innocent sentient beings. People have gone too far and this is a perfect example of what shouldn't be done to already beautiful animals.

[@marleneclough3173]

I agree it is the judges putting up the extreme specimens so if a breeder wants show wins then he must comply or lose out

[@hannahjans5742]

@Janitor Queen With corona time I mean when everyone was in lockdown because of the Corona Virus. I mainly mean 2020 and 2021 by that.

[@hannahjans5742]

@Janitor Queen I also wasn't quite sure what they meant by a GSD rear end, but I reckon they mean German Shepherd Dog with GSD

[@zoo22u]

My heart is with Arabians. No modern Arabian could survive for more than three minutes in the part of the land of their origin. They are a wonderful, intelligent and love to be loved. They do not deserve what is being done to them. Thank you for discussing this horror.

[@shequestrian7915]

I think with the dogs one of the problems is that people don't know that it is horrible for them to have such "squished" noses, I didn't even know until watching this. Thank you so much for including that in the video.

[@lorchid23]

I worked on the Arabian horse show circuit for several years when I was in my late teens/20’s. I saw things that gave me nightmares.

[@raserus]

It's insane how much these horses have changed in a handful of generations. El Ray Magnum's great-grandsire Magnum Psyche looked really good, his face wasn't horrific at all.

[@theilluminati682]

Just like that ONE solid roof in a rainstorm that can give you shelter, I thought horses were the one domestic animal that is safe from complete mutilation since they still need to be 'functional' because people ride them and use them for real work. Dogs, cats, fish, they don't need to have working or proportionate body parts, they don't need the ability to survive anymore so let's make them all esentially disabled mutants because not being able to walk, clean yourself, breathe or support your own bodyweight is super cute. All the things we would be bullied for, be depressed about or try to surgically correct about ourselfs, yeah, let's make whole entire breeds of animals that carry thise specific traits.

[@PREAmora]

@@theilluminati682 Unfortunately not. There's more than one breed in trouble because of too much inbreeding and ridiculous breeding standards, even sport horses.

[@theilluminati682]

@@PREAmora Yeah, eventually I realized that. I even get annoyed looking at cartoons and how disproportionate the characters all look. It's annoying because like HOW THE HECK DO THEY SURVIVE?! And what lunatics set the standard in the first place? Who said that from now on, giant eyes with dialated pupils is considered cute and not a crazy deformity paired with

[@theilluminati682]

@@PREAmora Yeah, eventually I realized that. I even get annoyed looking at cartoons and how disproportionate the characters all look. It's annoying because like HOW THE HECK DO THEY SURVIVE?! And what lunatics set the standard in the first place? Who said that from now on, giant eyes with dialated pupils is considered cute and not a crazy deformity paired with a neurological disorder and/or extreme emotional distress? Whoever it is, I choose to blame them. And cartoons, I blame cartoons too. And those motherfucking LOL dolls, for existing in my life.

[@m6666]

@ChromeOnAllFour you can see that they were already altering back then, as Magnum Psyche is extreme. His neck is so long and then you have a tiny super dished head at the end of it. I don't like that breeding at all. For a horse, it just isn't functional at all if you want to ride, they won't be able to breathe, plus the backs are too straight and the chest isn't deep enough, especially for an Arab to be able to go any distance. I totally prefer the more plain look of the desert bred Arabs and they are brilliant to ride as well. I really wish people would stop messing with nature...it's beautiful as it is. Such a shame and waste of lives that will be cut short due to this constant insanity to "perfect what is already perfect "

[@DannyD-lr5yg]

This is making me think of the backyard breeding situation with dogs, _especially_ bully breed. Pugs and frenchies are affected, but by far the WORST offenders are: “exotic” bullies, and any “bully” with XL/mini/etc in its name. They look like little mutant frogs :(

[@jengatree5227]

The dished face doesn't just affect their nasal cavity it completely changes the shape of the mouth. The natural curve in the mouth becomes 100X worse. It limits their natural range of motion and creates muscle tension. It also causes huge dental problems besides the usual hooks/sharp points. I wish this was brought more into the conversation about excessively dished faces. Equine Dental care is so important!

[@yesterdaydream]

That poor horse looks like one of my third grade drawings that would end up crumpled in the trash, because my recess herd only sketched _realism_ lol. Thanks for the knowledge!

[@RogueMustangMare]

For a moment I thought she was playing Star Stable cause that's what their horses look like. This reminds me of the Hapsburg family who had that severe jaw disability

[@socialott8021]

my mom had an Arabian named bee and I never really met her but she was a little goblin but honestly I don’t understand the appeal of those weird snouts too. I like big work horses and stuff that look like natural horses. They’re cuter and healthier. Even more goofy and lovable.

[@sketchalater4656]

Halter bred QHs are also getting grossly over exaggerated. Huge bodies that look like they are pumped with steroids that stand on tiny toothpick legs and hooves. How can that be good for them? Big horses should have well proportioned legs to support them.

[@nogames8982]

Then the horse breaks down and they can't figure out why. Beauty contests in the shows should not be allowed. The horse should be judged on how well it does the job it was bred to do. Once they bring in the beauty contest it all goes to heck in dog shows or horse shows.

[@geministrial950]

Thissss

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

Amen. Lack of ethics. Many health issues. Huge bodies. Tiny legs.

[@NeptunesHorses5909]

Yes, working/ranch horses are a different group from the halter-focused lines now. The halter horses also carry extra weight to make the outlines desired, looking even stranger when thin.

[@pugsondrugs5480]

I heard of what I think was a quarter horse that had some kind of genetic disorder that made him super super muscular but also caused seizures.

[@Carole2Kittens]

I once trained two Arabian horses (brothers) who were both beautiful horses. While the one named Rocky had a dish face, it was nothing like the freak you're showing. Why would they ever want to breed the beauty out of these horses like that? Especially when it is so detrimental to their health. Keep up your good work for the well being of horses, Raliegh.

[@JessHull]

I'm not a horse person but just looking at this from the outside I don't see how this horse's aesthetic is a desirable trait. It looks horrendous, and is, sorry to say, an ugly animal. I don't think it should be banned though. Banning this type of breeding isn't going to stop people from breeding for this trait. The only way to stop this from happening is to create a culture from within the community that actively discourages and makes this not a desirable look or trait. If everyone dislikes this and thinks it's ugly then horses with this trait will be devalued and the incentive for breeders to breed horses that look like this will diminish.

[@Chiwowza]

If you ever decide to revisit the topic of overbreeding again, there are domestic pigeon breeds with INSANE inbred characteristics, included "tumbler" breeds that are deliberately bred with mobility issues that make them somersault and roll on the ground whenever they try to fly. They're used in tumbling "competitions"🙃I didn't know about it until recently and I was shocked that it was allowed (and that anyone would even think to do it to begin with)

[@gabrielbernard5440]

@Janitor Queen tumblr pigeons who when given anti-epileptic meds, stop to tumble, so it is a breed in illness for the fancy sport of parlor rolling. pigeons with such tiny beaks they can not raise their young, which are raised by long beaked breeds. pigeons which feathers that are like hair, which do not allow the pigeon to fly. feathers on the feet so big they look like second wings. Imagine walking with clown shoes all day, but they are your feet. pigeons with warts on eyes and beak that grow so big after years, they shut close the eyes and airways. pigeons breed to look like chickens, with a warped skeleton, or fantails in the same way. reptiles with tiny scales or even no scales, similiar to hairless cats and dogs. but snakes with it can not move properly because their scales are their legs basically. Posture canaries with warped skeletons, canaries with *zitterhals* where the neck is so long it constantly quivers. Colour morphs in fish, reptiles, horses, dogs which are lethal if two gens are there, and otherwise cause health issues even with one gen.

[@gabrielbernard5440]

@Janitor Queen There was a study done on the parlor roller pigeon where they were given anti-epileptic meds, and they were able to act like normal pigeons. I can check if i find the study again. But yeah, they are kept in calm, quiet, diffuse lighted environments because the tiniest distraction or stressor can cause them to flap around erratically. which is so heartbreaking to look at. the owl pigeon breeds with no beaks are another cruel thing. old english owls have a tiny beak and can feed their babies, but the modern owls basically have no true visible beak and also need very tiny seeds to eat. the modern fantails together with the moderna(chicken) pigeons are the most cruel pigeon breeds(that i know of). Pigeons are a special interest of mine, but if you wanna do reptiles I can point you to someone I know.

[@Brembelia]

This practice of breeding against the best interests and health of these horses needs to be stopped and banned for all time. Far from looking good, these horses look freakish just like some human being who has had a "ski jump" rhinoplasty. This needs to be banned together with such things as the Big Lick with Tennessee Walkers. Both are cruel and stem from greed and some perverted type of ethics. I'm totally against both of these practices as they do not serve the protection and optimal health of the horses involved; which should be the very first consideration when dealing with any animal. I hope the veterinarians around the world will form some kind of lobbiest group to stop these unconscionable practices and encourage breeding to healthy breed standards.

[@Katerina_Alexandra]

I'm so glad this is being talked about - not only for horses but other animals too. I have a rescue Boston Terrier puppy which is a cross between an English Bulldog and an English White Terrier. He does have a snout but it's quite a short snout and even as a puppy I can hear that his breathing isn't what it should be particularly after exercise. It breaks my heart that breeders continue to do this with animals even when it clearly causes suffering.

[@kassi-opeia]

I have a boston as well but thankfully, her snout is actually pretty good and not flat against her face like some of them

[@nickyhaydenhart8840]

I’m in my 70s and Arabian horses have always captivated me for their beauty. I’ve watched over the years their gently dished faces changing into something that makes them ugly. The flipped up tail is too exaggerated now I feel.

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

@@nickyhaydenhart8840 Heck, I'm only 33 but I absolutely agree! Whenever someone tells me Arabians are their favorite horse breed, I can't help but frown a bit. Their facial features have gotten alarmingly "dished in" over only the past 25 years, I feel like. When looking at pictures of my Grandaunt's Arabian from the late 70s, it feels like an entirely different breed 😢 And I'm not even a die-hard equestrian myself. Why destroy a perfectly beautiful breed like that?

[@leighanneboles6609]

He cant be a Boston terrier if he's also a cross between two other breeds

[@VenetinOfficial]

I’m not even part of the Equestrian community and my FIRST reaction to seeing this poor horse was “that isn’t a horse; that is a fucking mutant.” God I hate breeders who do this shit to animals, it is textbook abuse.

[@osieprance]

I have an Arabian, who luckily didn’t get that muzzle thing. He’s a chunky boy and a normal boy..

[@Clarke_Girls]

I really want an Arabian, but 1. There too experience 3. There crazy. But most of all I really don't want one of them (the horse we were talking about)

[@leavrhovec4992]

@@Clarke_Girls Arabians aren't crazy. It's a stupid stereotype given by people who don't know how to handle horses. If you treat Arabian or any horse with kindness and respect instead of force, you'll see that they are loving, gentle and very loyal animals.

[@Clarke_Girls]

@@leavrhovec4992 yes there are, but they still be crazy on purpose

[@leavrhovec4992]

@@Clarke_Girls No horse is "crazy" on purpose, but because of something. They may be crazy because they haven't been socialised and trained properly or because they've been mistreated. Running in pasture and playful bucking and rearing with other horses is not them "being crazy", it's them being horses.

[@Clarke_Girls]

@@leavrhovec4992 Arabs are be crazy because they want to! They spook for know reason, they be crazy for know reason, Arabs are naturally crazy! I have a part pred Arabian, and shes crazy for know reason and I've had her 8 years and she's now 16yo and has lots of experience! And she's only part Arabian!!!

[@Turboy65]

There are definitely some Arabians who have been so overbred that they're DEFORMED. Same as has happened to some breeds of dogs and cats. Breeding animals to this point, where it affects their health and mobility, should be absolutely outlawed worldwide.

[@pamelameckley5040]

I wondered when someone would make a video about this poor horse. Glad it was you, Raleigh. When it comes from someone that is training to be a vet, it should hit the people doing this unethical crap different - because it comes from a knowledgeable source. Glad you made this video. 💯👍

[@rebekahwitter4517]

Yes - the Egyptian Arabians are getting horrific - and have no 'bone' in their legs. A friend had one that broke its legs just while being lunged in a round pen! The horse's legs look thinner than deer legs! this has to stop! Thanks for bringing up this conversation!

[@xxMichelleUnicornxx]

The weirdest part about this is that it doesn't even look good? Not advocating for breeding for looks at all but these horse just look so ugly AND aren't functional.

[@brendacooper5729]

I would like to know if Chihuahuas are included in the list of over bred dogs. I have owned several part chis, and they had no breathing problems, all high energy enthusiastic little guys, then one day I wound up buying a purebred from a show breeder, he had an small jaw defect that made him undesirable as a stud so they sold him without papers, the first time he got excited and started honking he was off to the vet who told us that trachea problems were common in chihuahuas and not to worry about it. The poor little guy would sleep all day just so he could go wild on the kids when they got home from school, we got a baby stroller for him because he would wear out on walks and hated to be left out, and couldn't keep up with the bigger dogs. I never had that problem with my mongrel chis, I think his lack of stamina had to do with breathing difficulties, and since the wheezing, honking thing is definitely not an advantage in showing, I don't understand why the breeders aren't trying to eliminate this problem, It certainly affected my pups quality of life, and when he died at thirteen it was a respiratory illness. I would have written this off as a one of, except for the vet telling me how common it was in purebreds.

[@ElveeKaye]

Giant skulls, tiny snouts, and they are being bred smaller and smaller...no, they are NOT normal dogs and are victims of the extreme breeding trend that is inexplicably popular among many dog owners. People need to stop buying from breeders altogether. It just encourages them to keep producing deformed creatures that can't breathe, have back problems, malformed spines and legs, etc.

[@Emelie_dreamfield]

These dogs and animals are so poorly bred. Poor Babies!

[@FOXNEWSDEATHCULT]

terminology point: technically 'selective breeding' is any breeding meant to select for certain traits; it's not inherently bad, as the traits you can select for can be things like health and temperament and fit to purpose (for example breeding racehorses to be built to run fast, or sheepdogs to have an instinct to herd sheep). it's only bad when it's selective breeding purely for the purpose of appearance (ie molding animals into weird uncomfortable shapes, selecting for certain colors and ignoring bad health in breeding stock in favor of this, etc)

[@aleciam4729]

At college we went through equine confirmation class, I can't look at horses the same, but I'm glad I took it to recognize how bad some of these horses being bred. Our teacher that was a veterinarian told us the first day to look up the quarter horse Impressive, another horse bred because of looks.

[@marilys3549]

This poor animal ☹️ I used to have Arabians, it's so sad to see how much damage breeders have done to this breed. I had beautiful Polish breed Arabs with heavy bones, DEEP heartgirth and chisel heads with some dish to their heads, sculpted ears and slightly rounded croup. Now I see tubie, flat up hill croups that the horse cant properly engauge and extreme heads. You are absolutely right in bringing up this issue.

[@sixmercer2504]

Ugh Raleigh!!!! Thank you! You are doing so much good by bringing attention to thus and all animal abuse. I saw when you paused the video of Bel Ray showing his entire body and face and he literally looked EXACTLY like one of those plastic horses I used to collect in the 80s as a young equestrian. They (I assume) did that with the toys to show the characteristics of the different breeds by exaggerating certain traits. 🤔 I could be wrong, I'm 48.and don't have that collection anymore and haven't for like 37 years, but I swear that Bel Ray standing still with his short back, making the legs look way too long, and the intensity of the dish face notorious with Arabians, my brain said "STOP! Not real! Toy" and brought my back 45 years. I hadn't thought about those toys since I had them back them I don't think. I remember those toys helping me with learning the traits of the breeds by their "anatomy" that helped me learn for testing for my early ratings in Pony Club. But I never saw a horse QUITE this deformed. And that's what he is. Deformed. I later, after my nursing career burned me out, became a dog groomer. Brachycefalic (short nosed or flat faced) dogs were scare sometimes. They would pant so hard and fast at times their tongue would turn blue from not enough oxygen due to anxiety. As most people know, sometimes dogs get super nervous going to the groomer or the vet or even just riding in the car to get there. The other thing I had to be extremely careful of with these dogs, especially Pugs and Lhasa Apso's and Shih Tzu's, was not stretching the wrinkled up skin around their eyes over the top of the nose, an area that gets absolutely filthy from eye drainage, food (because they have to smash their entire face into their food), and dirt that collected in the folds and would cause eye infections etc. They had more ear infections and ear mites as a whole as well. But stretching the skin above the eyes to clean and clip out the hair that grows on top of the snout to allow them to see and lower the chance of filth getting into their big bulging eyes, that was very dangerous and I know countless groomers who have had a dog's eye pop right out just from stretching their skin as they're moving around. I know people see more Lhasa's and Shih-Tzu's missing an eye. It's all too common with them. And with Pugs you hear them coming long before you see them because they literally cannot breathe through their noses. They pant non stop and sound like their snorting or snoring literally all the time. It never stops, even when they sleep. In humans that is called "Obstructive Sleep Apnea" because their airways are obstructed they snore and snore and get to a deeper sleep and the snoring slows down and quiets and then they miss a breath or two or three and it startles them bringing them out of that effective deep sleep stage right when it starts, over and over and over and over again. Those dogs typically have cardiovascular problems, one being an enlarged heart because their heart is working way harder and pumping way faster than dogs with a normal airway from a linger nose, in order to make sure the blood is oxygenated for the organs and for their brains. When a heart is pumping overtime for years upon years, it becomes enlarged (because it's a muscle, muscles grow when they're worked hard, and when you have an enlarged heart (dog, or human), it takes up more space in the chest cavity, compressing the lungs to not be able to inflate all the way, causing faster more panicky breathing and inability to cool themselves in the heat, since dogs sweat from their tongue only, which can lead to heat exhaustion, cardiovascular and lung disease and early deaths. So.....do this to a horse, and they will have the same exact problems. Some people worship the money they make from the horse they bred to look a certain way, and some people worship their animals because they love them. Either way, right or wrong, when you only have them for 3-5 years or their offspring are either stillborn or too deformed to live a successful pr happy life, well???? Do NOT support these types of breeders. Do not buy a horse like this to show off and have people desire the significant "beauty" they see in thus deformity, because it will only lead to sick, unusable or dead horses more and more the more they make off of the people who buy them. Please stop breeding "DESIGNER breed" animals. There is no such thing. That has turned out some very damaged and distressed animals who end up in shelters or puppy mills (that you may not realize breed cats as well). If you go to a shelter to PLEASE adopt your animals, be aware that dogs with short noses or flat faces will be a costly animal from higher vet costs the shorter the nose is, and will most likely live at least 5 years less than other dogs and will have an anxious life of panting, excessive drooling and sleep deprivation. I know I spoke about dogs mainly, but that's because we haven't seen as much of this in horses, it's not as well known, but we see dogs every day who have problems from breeding for appearance. I feel it was easier to explain and now consider the face that dogs CAN pant. They can breathe through their mouth. Horses can't, like Raaleigh just said, so what can we expect? I know this is really long, bear with me. Lastly, what I see with Bel Ray, is a smaller face and the nostrils are pinched closer together, and the lower part of the eye socket is shortened. This is a disaster waiting to happen (and plenty of disasters had to have already happened to get to the "perfect" Bel Ray face, that's just a given. Breed a runt with a runt on and on and flip the coin for what you get, this is directly impacting the horses airway, breed for that over and over and you're going to have a lot of issues before you get Bel Ray. They won't tell you that they had stillborn foals with highly disfigured faces, but they did. It's a given. Bel Ray has normal sized eyes in a smaller eye socket. Keep breeding for this face and you're going to start having problems with eyes popping out. And unlike a dog, a horse really needs to see to stay safe. Their eyes are on the sides of their heads which is why they turn their heads to see things. Of course there are horses with missing eyes. But why risk that just to have what people think is a pretty face? Bel Ray's confirmation in general seems off. It's definitely from being WAY TOO Arabian.

[@m6666]

Thank you for such a great explanation, you put into words what I was unable to. You are absolutely correct with everything you said about all animals. I'm totally appalled with what breeders today are doing. They are forgetting the "breed standard" which was created to improve the breed of any animal for health and well-being, this includes testing for illnesses such as eye problems, hip dysplasia and skin problems to name a few. Ethical breeders do this only and unfortunately they are few. Then you have breeders who only breed for looks and these people go right off the reservation and breed to extreme. This should not be allowed and needs to stop before they kill off entire breeds of animals, but not before they torture these poor creatures by the way they've been created. They are trying to create their own Frankenstein and before long that's what will happen, they take a piece of this animal and put it to the rest they've been creating. It's totally unethical along with abuse and in the long run, torture. I sincerely hope that more light is brought to bear for the sake of all these precious beings who are innocent in what their fate holds for them.

[@TheArtOfShard]

Another example of inhumane breeding of animals can be seen in Show Budgies. when one of my budgies passed of a disease (that ravaged his poor little immune system so quickly that we didn't even have time to get it fully diagnosed 😔) our vet raised wonders of weather we unknowingly had been sold a mixture between a regular and show budgie (due to his size etc.). Even before my budgie passed, I already despised the breeding of Show Budgies. They are like the pugs of the parakeet world and it is just SO unfair to the birds. Show Budgies are seen to often have worse immune systems than regular budges, leading to a heightened susceptibility and fatality rate of diseases. Show Budgies also often struggle to molt properly, fly normal etc. because they are bread to have ridiculous amounts of feathers (its not at all surprising that these poor birds cant function like a bird should, what would you do if you had to lug around that much feather weight all over the place, it's just so cruel for the birds).

[@Mumble785]

I brought this up to a friend of mine kinda recently, actually, cuz I've never liked arabians specifically bc of their faces, but my friend knows A Lot a lot about horses so I asked them why arabians are Like That. They didn't actually know so they did some digging, and they found out that the dished face As A Whole is actually bullshit!!

[@warriormaiden9829]

@ChromeOnAllFour The two examples I like to use are Fadjur and Aladdinn. Both had substance, and good solid faces. Aladdinn is late enough that you can actually find video of him on YT. He moves like an absolute dream. But he's not a twig, so people no longer pay him any attention.

[@thewerewolfofwaggawagga8818]

@@warriormaiden9829 Look up Davenport arabians. They're so athletic and gorgeous.

[@warriormaiden9829]

@@thewerewolfofwaggawagga8818 *whistles* They're gorgeous!

[@BrianWanke]

I think they’re cute, but if they’re having health problems we definitely should stop breeding them.

[@evelynallen638]

It is so sad. I’ve own Arabians my entire life, such amazing horses to work with but the breeding just gets worse. The breeding I’ve done myself have been so picky regarding the stallions as well as what mares I’ve owned, just to avoid being part of the continuing downfall of Arabian breeding :/

[@sabinagoldsmith9020]

We as humans have a RESPONSIBILITY as owners NOT to mutilate our animal friends. WHY anyone would advocate breeding features that not just alter the way the animal functions but are detrimental to their health is beyond my comprehension. All

[@equinegirl369]

This is so sad. Arabians and other animals don't deserve to be treated like this.

[@2BHearthorses]

I agree with you. I just keep hearing in my head the owners of this horse saying “orange women bad”.😂

[@lesacooper6108]

I love Arabians and yes one of their main characteristic is the dish face. But I think the dish face has become too much. It doesn't even look natural anymore! Like how do they even breathe?? How are they suppose to be an endurance/stamina horse if they can't breathe?

[@ReptilesGeniales]

I watched this video three times, I think you are absolutely right and this development really got stuck in my head… I have looked at other clips of “the best Arabian stallions” out there and what I noticed was that the horses with more deformed heads actually had a harder time to breathe. And of course I know that Arabians are “on edge” and very sensitive but I don’t think their temperament is the whole answer as to why they keep their nostrils very open and they make noises even when they are just standing there. Of course the nostrils flare even more when they get excited or when they are in motion. I couldn’t really find any pictures of an Arabian horse with “normal” nostrils, just relaxed and calmly breathing.

[@midnight_n5716]

Thank you Raleigh for talking about this topic. The first time I saw an Arabian horse like that it felt abnormal and I wasn’t even educated about horses at that time. But again thank you 👏🏼

[@evagreenwell3610]

Thank you! I used to own an Arabian 30 years ago (he was the love of my life :D) and I flinch when I see what some of these horses look like now. Cartoonish is a perfect word for it!

[@Synthia17]

I remember Rick's video about this poor horse years ago, it's scary to me that people are willing to overlook animals health in favor of a certain look. I can't understand it, it's like some horrid, crazy science experiment and it doesn't even look good at the end, no matter how they're trying to lie to themselves. If you want a cartoony horse, carve yourself a garden statue or print a fancy wallpaper, don't force an animal to a miserable and painful life.

[@hivemindgoblin8540]

It’s ridiculous that some people really think “it doesn’t matter if they cant breathe if they’re not doing a specific thing” like, no. Not being able to breathe is bad on itself. I’d never think it’s okay a dog isn’t able to breathe just because they’re not, say, a working dog.

[@circuitthefur8596]

All types of animals are being affected by this too, because all Spider Ball pythons morphs are bred for their patterns although it’s been proven that all of them have neurological damage that affects them for their entire lives. It’s really fucked up, because depending on the severity, it’ll either be hard for them to travel in a straight line or they’ll be so neurologically damaged that they can’t tell left from right or up from down and they crash into all of their surroundings, making them even more injured… people need to stop breeding animals unethically, poor things can’t ever live a good, healthy life

[@circuitthefur8596]

And other types of reptiles are bred even tho it’s been proven that they’ll suffer from permanent spine kinks or a “wobble” (the neurological condition described above) People just breed litters to get “a good one” and it’s sickening

[@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882]

"He's just halter" is such a bizarre defense. It's pretty much admitting that your horse can't do anything that involves running or sustaining physical activity... such as BEING A FUCKING HORSE.

[@phantomthedragoness]

Aside from the cruelty alone, it’s just ugly to look at. Arabians are one of the most beautiful horses (in my belief) and I really don’t understand why someone would want to change it other than for money. And money and animals rarely coexist on a healthy path.

[@nemo_is_real]

My cousin had a pug who had to be euthanized this year, for reasons unrelated to brachycephaly. The entire time he was alive I felt terrible for him. You could hear him breathing from the next room. It just made me extremely sad.

[@goymedhundDogtrainingBehavior]

used to work at an Arabian stud many years ago. mostly egyptian lines. We bred for show and endurance riding.I live in Norway and because of the climate we need strong horses that can breath.

[@leighanneboles6609]

Breathe....there's an e at the end.

[@goymedhundDogtrainingBehavior]

@@leighanneboles6609 Thank you so much for correcting my English. :)

[@wolffortenberry8729]

Throughout this video I was thinking about the halter horses I witnessed at the American Quarter Horse Congress Show I witnessed in college several years ago. “It’s just a halter horse” is the most idiotic statement I hear ppl say. The horses cannot function properly regardless of whether or not “it’s just a halter horse”. Breeding animals that have health problems is inhumane regardless of the animal’s intended purpose. This crap needs to continue to be called out by everyone! Thank you for making this video and calling unethical and inhumane breeders. We need more of this.

[@justjanice8373]

I thought this was a Disney cartoon horse at first. 😱This is not going to end well for these horses. The Arabian horse is naturally beautiful 💕

[@Marvelouse]

Yeah! Its unbelievable. It looks like a Normal Horse that got meshed into a cartoon horse using a photoshop tool .

[@BohoBunMom]

They do this to rabbits, too. Several rabbit breeds have been increasingly bred for shorter faces, which causes serious dental problems, breathing problems, and tear duct problems. Brachycephalic rabbits also often have lop ears, which are also unnatural and cause health issues, including deafness. Personally I think normal Arabians are beautiful just the way they are, and also that normal rabbits (including my own) are perfect the way they are.

[@PandaBlitz]

One of my favorite horse movies is The Black Stallion and growing up Cass Ole who played The Black was my image of the Arabian Horse, not what is shown above. Those horses look sick and deformed. I once commented like 15 years back on a post about a selective bred Arabian Stallion, saying to me it was ugly and just not a horse and the bashing I got for that comment was insane. I would love an Arabian when and if I can afford one but one that looks like The Black

[@Basketball069]

Cass Ole was stunning!

[@avaholley09]

I have an Arab and the absurd amount of people that have said a dished face is "normal" is gobsmacking, i hate people who say this its not normal they have to have a nice straight face not dished

[@azureequus8045]

This may be morbid, but I'd love to just see the difference between horses bred like EL Ray magnum's skull compared to a normal Arabian just to see just how much the nasal bone dips down into the nasal cavity.

[@nxtalie_09]

I love Arabians but people are slowly destroying the actually beauty of this breed. This is just disgusting at this point, he doesn’t look ‘majestic’ he looks like he’d be in pain. Like his nose was broken and never cared for.

[@kerriwolfton3195]

I remember seeing a foal like this on Instagram. I did comment that it reminded me of bulldogs and other breeds of dogs with faces like that and I commend the do think that the foal will have a breathing problem when an adult. Many people said that they aren’t like that the dogs and this is a normal trait in the Arabian breed. I’ve see other Arabian horses like Huckleberry Bey that don’t look deformed and are performance horses and halter horses at the same time that don’t look like this. I do miss the ‘old school’ type of Arabian horse. I don’t think why people would want an animal that looks deformed. It makes no sense to me.

[@SHENworks]

Yes, Love Huckleberry Bey and all the Varian line. Shelia Varian focused on breeding "Beautiful Athletes."

[@WonderfulAkari]

I didnt know my Corgi was at heightened risk for bowed legs or I would have given him lighter exercise and a multivitamin as a puppy. Now he has arthritis early and I have decided to get hisnlegs fixed surgically once the money comes in.

[@WonderfulAkari]

The bowed legs can happen in any dog and can be prevented through diet and intervention. Heavy stocky dog are at more risk

[@sunglowwolf-7917]

For the dogs it’s extremely upsetting and hits home for me someone said that they can breed those breeds because good breeders don’t breed them to be “worse” or some bullshit like that- like no I don’t think those horrible breeds should be bred AT ALL or if they are it’s to fix them. It’s horrible... and for Arabians I used to love them but then I started seeing people fuck up the breed so far gone that I started hating them- it’s upsetting truly-

[@tjvirginia1319]

Seeing the horse still breathing is devastating. I don't understand why they couldn't euthanize the horse immediately

[@mackenziealdridge1634]

I feel like a similar issue that kind of falls into this category is naked foal syndrome in akhal teke horses. The selective breeding is for a super shiny coat, but as a result, some foals are born with the syndrome. They are born naked, with teeth malformations, digestive issues and just a ton more. Most don't survive if I'm not mistaken.

[@gabrielbernard5440]

If you know that teeth are basically just very specialised hair cells, you will realise why something that affects the coat will also affect the teeth. I googled it and i am horrified about those naked horses

[@EsmeMarion]

Not a horse person and I stumbled across this. I knew this was an issue with dogs and cats and even fish, but I didn't think horses had this issue too. Damn.

[@itsaztral5587]

Wow. Some people. I hate this. Not talked about enough, either. My Arab thankfully was not bred for showing. Thank you so much for bringing awareness up, Raleigh!