Rancho Palos Verdes couple goes completely and permanently off-grid as landslide worsens

[@nocturnalcreative]

This was my high school ceramics teacher 25 years ago! She was the best! I’m so happy to see her staying there and going off grid! If I lived in this neighborhood, I wouldn’t want to leave either!

[@abashardoust]

Good for them! Agree with you as well! RHHS 79!

[@slicedandiced]

Mrs. Sivert (formally known as Miss Zask) was my AP Studio Art teacher at Mira Costa High School back in 2007. I always felt she didn't like me or my art very much. She was a tough person to work with, but he had an immense love of art. I'm happy to discover she and her husband are pushing forward during this horrible situation. I wish them nothing but the best during this stressful situation.

[@fluxfaze]

Off grid living is enjoyable. I did it for seventeen years and loved it.

[@tonyg1997]

Why’d you stop?

[@fluxfaze]

@@tonyg1997 The USFS burned my homestead to ash when their prescribed burn ran wild to become the Hermit’s Peak/Calf Canyon Fire. Homeless almost 2.5 years now while waiting for the U.S. Government to keep President Biden’s promise to make me whole again, it’s looking like I’ll be homeless at least three full years before they do. FEMA sucks.

[@Gfysimpletons]

@@tonyg1997uh, don’t believe what you read on the internet. Liars abound! !

[@Gfysimpletons]

Living in your moms basement doesn’t count.

[@beentheredonethat814]

Perhaps when you're young, strong and healthy, but that's a very hard life for senior people. That couple is fortunate to have the financial resources to purchase the necessary appliances and what-nots to continue living in their home (most are just barely getting by). At their ages I hope all goes well. I just couldn't imagine how devastating the whole situation has to be for the people of that community.

[@debbiedean3165]

Good for them, 😊

[@Richard-k6n]

These people are not living like “millionaires”. They’re two old hippies living in a “mobile home” on a camp ground.

[@HotaruGlaive]

They are spending like millionaires. Floating foundations etc aren't just for "mobile homes".

[@rigamarole1117]

They didn't pay for the foundation​@@HotaruGlaive

[@RustyFoundry]

Well they’re spontaneously spending tens of thousands of dollars to live off the grid. That’s certainly not something your person of average wealth is going to casually do.

[@Rhaspun]

@@HotaruGlaive Did you miss it in the video. A previous owner did it decades ago.

[@Rhaspun]

@@RustyFoundry It doesn't look like they're living a extravagant life style. They didn't spend millions on their house like those big houses that are slipping and falling. They're doing it the right way. Live in the worst house in the best neighborhood. They don't have their property looking so pretty like the houses nearby.

[@kellypatterson4412]

It's not just a liability, it's an actual fire hazard. If even part of the land underneath the gas lines shifts it could potentially blow up the whole neighborhood. If a power-pole falls and snaps a live power line the whole community could go up in smoke. The only way in and out is winding canyon roads. It's not just about you, it's about the community as a whole. If they can't safely get power to you, past the damaged property, then your power is gone too.

[@wk4240]

So True. That's what they are not getting at all. It's a horrible spot they are in, yet it's moving away from what's left that will be the best move.

[@danoc51]

Any property that burns due to live electrical or gas lines will cost the utility companies a fortune...far more than just the replacement cost of the house. Ambulance-chasing attorneys will be in court to describe the supposed stress the homeowners have felt, and ask for compensation for that, too. I totally understand what the utility companies are doing. It is almost like some people think that the utility companies are punishing the homeowners with a revengeful act. You can bet the utility companies would prefer these people to be online and paying for utilities.

[@7phyton]

Text is misleading: they are definitely NOT completely off grid. If they are disposing of wastewater into the soil, that water goes somewhere...like right downhill to where the city is spending millions of dollars to pump groundwater out. To my knowledge, the prevalence of septic leach fields was a key factor in initiating or contributing substantially to the landslides that are now happening. The same thing that happened in RPV happened in the Malibu hills: they didn't want to pay for sewer (really expensive), then after a long enough time of everyone disposing wastewater into the soil, landslides happened. I don't recall the whole detailed development and litigation history, but in hilly coastal California, ground disposal of wastewater is a real problem.

[@newsyflow681]

Their water and sewer hasn't been cut off....yet.

[@wk4240]

VERY good point.

[@wk4240]

They have been warned. Over and over - both at the time of home purchase, over the years, and even more now - it's a disaster area, and it's all crumbling. Rains are coming , and too many of these people continue to remain dillusional about the situation.

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

Yep, not "if", it is a "when"...

[@Gfysimpletons]

Makes for a good story in the morning.

[@markhetz1119]

OK so can you tell me where you can live where you’re not gonna be touched by hurricanes tornadoes floods OR fires 🤷‍♀️because I’ve been in all those things 👌🏻I’ve been in a tornado in the north where there’s hills and valleys where so-called professionals said a tornado never hit there AND IT DID 🤯it wiped out half of the town SO you can’t fool mother nature she’s gonna get you coming & going

[@wk4240]

@@markhetz1119 Many areas, statistically are far better then living on crumbling ground close to a cliff. These people are educated, and know better. The smart - and logically thinking - ones who lived there, sold and left long ago.

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

I thought about this situation, and if you've never been there, the area is GORGEOUS. I can imagine how hard it must be to leave a place like that. And it's a sad situation. Maybe don't lecture at a time like this?

[@OWK000]

Floating foundation. Smart. The only way they should have let them build out there. Some homes may be able to be retro-fitted this way. Fixed foundations are no bueno in Palos Verdes. It's a little like a tiny home on wheels. The integrity of the house frame isn't earth dependent, but metal girder separate from the earth. Now they just need a whole mess of solar and batteries. Clothesline! That's the big cheap easy fix that saves a bunch of power by skipping the clothes dryer. You don't need a propane fridge. That's old school, nowadays you just add a few more panels.

[@ericfielding2540]

I don’t know where this house is located. If it is near the middle of the moving block of the landslide, then the steel beams may be sufficient. The landslide edges have extreme surface deformation that has torn apart houses and roads or caused huge tilting. The frame would not work in one of those areas. I agree that buying new appliances that run on propane is old-fashioned technology. Installing a large solar panel and battery storage system would be more sustainable. The propane requires ongoing deliveries to their home often and those effect on the roads could make it difficult to reach their home with trucks.

[@ciararespect4296]

This house will go the same way as all of them. If the earth moves (which it will) its going to tip upside down or get buried in mud Rip old occupants

[@sharonstone-bh1zp]

I have had propane dryers for almost 17 years.

[@wk4240]

Nothing smart about living on a chunk of land crumbling.

[@tiffanyfree5135]

God bless them. Beautiful people.

[@lisal6121]

Those young strong kids know what they’re doing. Wait till winter rains kids. Hope your car can drive over the broken roads.

[@mostlyvoid.partiallystars]

Utilities should never have been run there in the first place. Good for them to learn to live off grid if that’s what they want. But the utilities leaving is the sane, reasonable action.

[@deer.4651]

Don't let the legislature see this. Wouldn't want people to think they can go off grid in CA lol

[@domin8rdominant763]

Gotta love the modern California hippies

[@desertlandscapecreations577]

At what point do they realize they need to evacuate? What's it going to take?

[@csps56]

You understand that if you 'walk away' you get nothing. Insurance does not cover earth movement. They would have to start from scratch. This is much less expensive since their home is paid for. Especially at their age. Smart people!

[@wk4240]

One good rain.

[@jahrastaeasygaming2372]

the boomers will be in the ocean soon... soon they will need to swim away from the house they were able to afford with reasonable salaries.

[@wk4240]

NOTHING super cedes safely. They are being very foolish, jeopardizing their safety and the safety of others around them.

[@sammyocgirl7411]

who wants to live in a falling down house,,,,just move...wait until it starts raining this year more land slides

[@tobedetermined4180]

They will eventually be sliding too

[@BFRIZZLE909]

They must have some money 💰💰. Good for them

[@LAFITZ10]

home median price is $2 million - woes of the RICH are REAL - i just hope they don't expect TAXES (the poor) to pay for their woes.... greed sux

[@zookini]

You’re both stupid and blind to think that old couple is wealthy.

[@EvoSGooD]

No one poor lives in Palos Verdes or Rolling Hills Estates.

[@LAFITZ10]

@@EvoSGooD THAT'S why they are being ROBBED LOL doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to SEE the GREEDY are targeted by the POOR

[@HotaruGlaive]

@@zookini You're stupid if you think poor or even middle class people can afford to completely redo the power to their home as well as buy all new appliances for it. It's just like vacation homes on the gulf coast that get knocked over from storm surges - many of those people are very well off.

[@mr.d7237]

This is only possible for the rich

[@jahrastaeasygaming2372]

boomers. the youth has no chance of home ownership

[@musicalchairs56]

They are in denial. There was a ton of shift there under the house. The lattice is all messed up. I'm sure a structural engineer would know what they're looking at from the video.

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

And what will happen when her home slides off the cliff? It isn't a question of if, it is a question of when.

[@boblatkey7160]

No it is not, you do not understand the geology there. Some areas will slide and some areas will not. They have done a lot of work to support that home and they will more than like sit there perfectly fine for many many decades.

[@robm1503]

Or, more importantly,,, WHERE. You may end up on stable ground.

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

@@robm1503 They are not turning the utilities off in stable houses.....

[@perrisfrances]

Bravo for these two! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 “You have to adapt to survive”, best advise ever!

[@BajatheChickenMan]

Watch the city fine them for being off-grid without a permit or some damn thing.

[@amerylavail8185]

Don’t do Starlink is too expensive. Do T-Mobile wireless $50 a month and is perfect.

[@secredeath]

How do I steal internet

[@bobbymoss6160]

@@secredeath Ask people who steal copper wires.

[@BrooklynBaby100]

@@secredeathCatch it like you would fireflies. 😅

[@RLDavis-h2h]

Any septic system will contribute to soil movement...

[@esteearie]

I am amazed at their tenacity and hope the ‘big one’ comes after they are gone.

[@sammyocgirl7411]

all the people just need to leave give it up,,,,,,,

[@CL-em1tk]

The area is multi million dollar neighborhood. Well, they enjoyed luxury time living there. Some people don't even get close to those neighborhood. They are still lucky.

[@jeannetteashlin1725]

More like $0 dollar homes now. No one is going to buy the homes that are sliding nor the homes that are ok so far. But the ones with homes sliding they're getting upset as no one is helping them. No one can stop the land from sliding. It's been a natural slide area where no one should have built. People had property but a building moratorium was put in place. The owners sued, won, built their homes and now are throwing tantrums because no one is helping them. They knew about the possibility ages ago. I do believe they had to sign or acknowledge this fact upon buying or building in the area.

[@sammyocgirl7411]

lucky i think not

[@sammyocgirl7411]

@@jeannetteashlin1725 there is nothing that can be done period if the land is moving theese people are brain dead and need to leave

[@gonelucid]

I've got a propane shower just like theirs and boy is it cheap!!!! Like 5-6bucks a month to shower and do dishes.

[@ReNinaMinter]

Turning lemons into lemonade 👏🏾… sending love and light to them! 💛

[@Vincent67337]

These people just need to move. Houses should have never been built there to begin with.

[@RussiaisAriddle-ih6bg]

These people were warned and still bought the property! You really can't fix stupid

[@Rhaspun]

It's likely they've moved in decades ago.

[@vetinaalvarez4004]

So pick it up and move it !!!!

[@Fordgroup00]

🤦‍♂️

[@tamril4938]

@@Fordgroup00🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ChristmasPhone-e5s]

Rancho Palos Verdes should be a commune, off-grid. And they should prove that it is possible to exist and thrive. Good job to this couple for being intelligent and choosing to adapt.

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

Until the community slides into the ocean, which is what it has been doing for decades. It is not a question of if, it is a question of when.

[@RumpelFourSkin]

They sure are desperate to live in that dump

[@toddsmith1690]

Congratulations.

[@SuperDuckyNarwhal]

Someone should advise them to get a solar-heated water system going...either with the solar panels installed or separate. and start collecting rainwater.

[@bpapao]

no govt no taxes no feds sounds like paradise

[@yootoobvyooer]

Water and sewer? I didn't think they allowed well and septic system in palos verdes. Landslide all the poop will go everywhere, causing bio hazard.

[@bigx9963]

The propane water heater shower @ 1:50 . I don't see a drain that goes into the sewage system. Water just goes into septic dirt piles- really healthy.

[@SFelectrolysis]

Their property looks like they have a Septic tank and well water. My parents had a home in the hills with a similar set up. They will be fine.

[@ericfielding2540]

I think they said that this house was built before the first triggering of the landslide movement in 1957, so I am sure the laws were different then.

[@yootoobvyooer]

@@SFelectrolysis land is still moving. Once the septic tank is breached, all that poop will slosh around the neighborhood. They will not be fine as long as land is moving.

[@yootoobvyooer]

@@ericfielding2540 maybe they have both well and septic on their tiny property. But having water and sewer on such close proximity gives me the icks.

[@georgegiorgio]

Go Solar! And forget about the Corrupt Utility Company

[@Rhaspun]

Yes. Next year I plan on getting batteries for my solar system. I bought my solar system back in 2015 in preparation for my retirement. Power rates always goes up. Even with the hot summer we had in California this summer. My power bill went up about $40. But they took it out of my built up credits so my power bill was staying the same. My neighbor's power bill was $500. That could have easily happen to me.

[@TarumpSadiki]

Palos Verdes is an expensive neighborhood. If they force them out they’ll end up building another home on that same lot and sell it for 5x more

[@Rhaspun]

I doubt it. They look like they like a more simple life. Much of their property isn't landscaped into perfection like many of the homes that are slipping and sliding down. Their house is very average looking.

[@gritsngranola]

Love this! 😊❤

[@beatricerigaud8942]

Good For You!! 😊👍👏❤

[@RumpelFourSkin]

They rode the ground into the ocean

[@musicalchairs56]

This lady actually believes that her house is held up magically and not anchored to the shifting earth. There's no foundation system that doesn't touch the ground.

[@JeremeyHowlett]

That entire area needs to be heavily graded and turned into homesites similar to Newport coast. All the new roads houses and infrastructure should stabilize the hillside.

[@RumpelFourSkin]

Imagine the buckets of poop

[@pleasantdreams6216]

is it even safe to visit that area, the city of Palos verdes at all??

[@modemlooper]

Just wait until the city says oh you can’t live in a house off grid there

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

The entire community is sliding into the ocean, and has been for decades, off-grid means nothing at the bottom of a cliff.

[@Rhaspun]

Some counties make a homeowner get connected to the power company. The power companies made the counties have that requirement.

[@rss608]

solar tech these days you don't really need the utility companies. frig and AC amp requirements have gotten so low that all can be run off LiFePo4 batts and recharged with solar panels.

[@theguildedscribe777]

Generations to come? Aren't we all almost Out of Time?

[@mikejohn0088]

One thing is absolutely certain = the sand in the hour glass is about to gone.

[@Maximumeffects]

looks beautiful. good for them in spite. I love my off grid home.

[@ciararespect4296]

Looks awful hippy style 😂. Septic tank is a big no no. I'm an inspector in the area so I'll get it condemned

[@Maximumeffects]

@@ciararespect4296 I mean there are other ways. just requires a drive to the city dump.

[@dastrnad]

Composting toilet and water the garden with the gray water.

[@Baebon6259]

@@dastrnad not sure if I want to water my garden with soapy gray water.

[@adelaferreira4575]

Yes ,they can stay there …until the land moves them out,these faults are relentless ,I was about 15 years old when we almost dive into a three foot deep ditch at this fault on Ensenadas toll road,sixty years later the fault still giving drivers every kind of headache possible ,nature is nature if we don’t respect this areas it will bite you back ,time and time again !

[@Rhaspun]

I remember a landslide up near Lake Tahoe had changed the route of a river. The state left it alone. This happened a few decades ago.

[@lisal6121]

Sure, try living off the grid when there’s no ground under you.

[@Baebon6259]

the fact that this couple still bought a home with support beams to guard against "landslide" is beyond me. Then again, they probably have lot of $ in order to afford to live there in the first place.

[@tonypalermo5796]

Now your environmentaly saving the world going off grid.

[@christinavillarreal4497]

Good for them 😊

[@redheadkd1565]

Propane is considered off grid?

[@jomac8101]

Yes.

[@redheadkd1565]

@@jomac8101 But if you have to rely on someone coming and filling it up so many times per year how then? Because that would be a large, unmovable tank for the propane. We had this, a septic system & well for water when living on acreage in the mountains. We never thought we were living off the grid. More of a necessity because the gas co. didn’t run in our area.

[@dastrnad]

Off grid is in the eye of the beholder. You can refill the smaller propane tanks yourself. It would be a PITA but it is doable. No different than purchasing your food at the grocery store.

[@TerrenceLP]

What is grid even mean the corporate grid the federal grid people need to realize once you can generate your own energy you become a problem

[@Sts43210-qn2kv]

So the property taxes should go down for them until the neighborhood issues are resolved, right?

[@sweetsongstress7398]

Dam I’d call it a day and travel bye bye LA

[@markwatney8641]

I wonder if they are still being billed even though the services are cut. I wouldn't put it pass those corporations

[@bobbymoss6160]

So where are they stealing the water?

[@TarumpSadiki]

Why she sound like an alien every time I rewind this

[@richardkerr2621]

The city of RPV will squash this. Didn't allow it for those that used to live along PV Dr. W. I worked on some they put steel chassis under years ago.

[@MissPepperss]

they have a lot of money

[@jckorn9148]

......are they just going to stay there until it all gives away and they find themselves dead in the sea? Not good at checkers I guess.

[@seangriffon6502]

If i were them, id see about having the house moved to a new location thats safe. Even though its on a slab, an experienced house moveer can put explosive charges below to slab to blow it safely up out of the ground to be jacked up, and moved. Was done to a coupple of homes here that were slated for demo. Only isxue in palosverdues is finding a good route to move it. I feel so sad for these home owners here. So many memories in these houses now going to waste.

[@Leisurelistsb]

They still have water and sewer. My ex is their neighbor and he's done the same thing.

[@NunYa953]

Good for them. 🇺🇲

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

off grid still requires propane transport and they are going to do septic?

[@Newperson-x4q]

This is the way to live. We shouldn't be forced to take on the government provided utilities. This style of living creates resilience and people that are ready for anything. We have become too soft and government dependant.

[@Rhaspun]

The power companies have made it mandatory in some counties that a homeowner has to hook to the power company. They set it up with the county for it to happen.

[@beachcitybay4497]

We all should do this! If we could afford it, I certainly would.

[@edbouhl3100]

What about ‘off sewer’? Not a good location for a septic tank. Yuck.

[@SFelectrolysis]

I hope they dont get harassed by the local authorities for staying on their land off grid. Only the strong survive and adapt. They are blessed to have each other. 👏

[@slyley5]

that couple doing energy independence is very brave for them

[@honestinspiration]

Check out this comment -@ciararespect4296 Looks awful hippy style 😂. Septic tank is a big no no. I'm an inspector in the area so I'll get it condemned

[@akshonclip]

They will still be forced to leave when the sewer system infrastructure stops being fixed. The health department will pull the plug at some point.

[@waltciii3]

Their house has only a few years... as do they... or they'll move into another "mobile home."

[@Redlined997_C2S]

Adapt, indeed!

[@mr.originaloneniceguy]

We just love it here, and you can have it there I'm Out

[@lisalambert1465]

Good for them off grid

[@FSoto-zw3ig]

Aren’t all those people who live up there filthy rich?

[@jerrycash6995]

F*** the utilities! 😂

[@DTown-whatup]

Well when you buy your home for the price of a new Camary, who would want to let go 😂

[@davidmichael4002]

The new California.

[@newsyflow681]

No, it's been like this for many decades.

[@BrightSoul736]

No matter what?! Yeah okay.

[@mikelfrance-l6x]

How are they allowed to use propane when the AQMD bans gas mowers?

[@meep2253]

Propane is not the same type of gas 😂

[@mikelfrance-l6x]

@@meep2253 Burns oxygen. Produces green house gases.

[@frankw731]

they have money to do all those switches

[@infinitepower1449]

Should’ve sold those million dollar houses when they had the chance

[@32srt32]

hopefully the water company doesnt join in!

[@lisaschreiber2893]

the Maui fires is the simple answer of why

[@chrisregister8021]

This was my thought exactly

[@jxsanc1238]

And soon off of California

[@BarrieEthel]

5870 Huels Oval

[@Missvoodoomama]

😂😂😂 these people are laughably ignorant. Have fun with that!

[@tomevans4402]

Smart

[@saythankyou111]

It’s the new way……😏🇺🇸

[@burtflak9409]

Escape california while you can, with high home values still, for awhile at least.

[@davido3746]

“Uninhabitable.”

[@iLLSHiNEz]

Like they had a choice 🤣

[@StopCensoring-fq5fl]

Multimillionaires.

[@desertlandscapecreations577]

"California tumbles into the sea"..Steely Dan