12 Cores & 24 Threads For $30 - "Maxing Out" an HP Workstation PC For Gaming

[@howaboutsomesoyfood]

it's so weird seeing once high-end hardware cost so little.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah I know :)

[@LHGaming25]

Imagine in 2030 a Ryzen thread ripper costing below 100$

[@Jimmysim-rq9vl]

​@@LHGaming25it will be but at that point we maybe have like r9 performance on $100 entry lvl cpu

[@QWERTYCommander]

Probably the first time I realized that was when I saw RGinHD's GTX 580 video. I remember wanting one so badly as a kid. Then he said a GTX 1050 outperformed it. Amazing how much things change.

[@justassimple8328]

v3 and v4 Intel Xeons are also cheaper. There's a risk that some Xeon CPUs are actually engineering or qualification samples so you have to be careful about it. CPU-Z or HWInfo can be checked by looking at the "Steping"

[@ReelGoldstar]

We have a Z620 in our home office, still cuts 4K footage no problem with effects and color grading included. It features e5-2696v2, 48GB of ram and a RX 480 8gb, literally can render and run on all 100% for days.

[@Shadowauratechno]

Back in 2018 I ran a system with the 2695v2. It was a proud little machine and I had it in an x79 board that let me force turbo speeds, which helped quite a bit. Matched it with a 1070 and had a pretty solid experience.

[@TheEnhas]

You might get better results if you turn hyper-threading off on these old high core count CPUs, since it slightly decreases single-threaded performance when on and they can use every ounce of it they can get

[@glitter_fart]

depending on the app the boost is 5-12% but you lose half your threads, its as bit more headroom for overclocking too, sooooo, with that many cores i'd asgree this cpu would be better off without it and overclocked but ... good luck on an oem board lol

[@Musyaaaa]

I had 2697 v2 and after disabling hyper threading i fixed stutters in forza horizon 5

[@davidrobinson7538]

Not exactly true. For disk caching or even virtual swap, hyperthreading can work to speed that up. As well as memory dumping. Not to mention having compressed/ encrypted volumes.

[@gametime2473]

@@Musyaaaa I use a 1620 V2 and it games really well. It's 4 core but can clock all 4 cores at 3.9 Ghz which is really nice. I wish Windows 10 didn't kill my ability to overclock because that chip will overclock to nearly 5ghz but I can't do it anymore!

[@Musyaaaa]

@@gametime2473 What does Windows have to do with overclocking?

[@KeyToTime]

Love the X79 platform. I got mine around 2018 as I wanted to test out what it could do. Got a 1680v2 for it, runs at 4.3ghz at just 1.19v with max temps around 70 degrees in stress tests. Very good performance too. it has made an excellent 24/7 htpc/storage server/occasional gaming pc. I always install the latest games on it just to see how it runs compared to my newer stuff and it continues to impress me.

[@KeyToTime]

@@lurch789 I bought my Asus x79 sabertooth motherboard for £160. That included a 4930K CPU. So a bargain back in 2018! Prices have shifted slightly since then. In contrast, my Ryzen 7700X and Asus TUF motherboard cost me £650. The price to performance of the X79 platform is incredible. There are many games that I cannot tell the difference between them and even when there is a big difference between the two, the 1680v2 still manages to get above 60fps.

[@jestersheep9647]

I daily drive something similar! I'm running the newer Z840 one, but I got the Case, CPU, RAM, and even a free GPU thrown in for 50 bucks. I upgraded to a E5-2660 v4 (14 cores) and a 3060 Ti, and it's honestly great! As multithreading becomes more accessible in games, it's actually my graphics card that's holding everything back now with the 8gb of VRAM...

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Nice :)

[@MaxIronsThird]

With 14 cores, you might as well disable hyperthreading, so the cores can boost higher

[@gametime2473]

Wow, how on Earth did you get that thing so cheap? That's ridiculously cheap!

[@DGCastell]

At a placed I worked they had the Z640 models assigned to architechts and I can confirm they were super-solid systems, we did maintenance on them once a year and even right before the cleaning they performed perfectly while caked in dust.

[@om4rxt]

love seeing a review on the Z series from my favorite Gaming KZbinr :) as an HP Z440 owner with an 18 core 2697 V4, RX 570 8GB with 32GB of RAM, it can run pretty much everything, huge jump for me coming from an Elitebook with an AMD A10 APU

[@mrhamburgler480]

man i have an HP laptop with the AMD A10 in it, and Radeon R5 graphics. The AMD A10 CPU really sucks hard lolol. Many games will list that they should run great on my laptop, but no. Hard negative on every game lol. has dual channel DDR4 ram but only 8 Gb. but still that CPU is a big part of the main issue i think lol.

[@om4rxt]

@@mrhamburgler480 the R5 integrated GPU isn't the worst, but the cpu is weaker than most 6th gen dual core intel cpus, also u should try undervolting it, when i undervolted mine it ran a lot cooler and a bit fasterr

[@gorjaharchangel2267]

Your conclusion is absolutely spot on. If you end up with one of these machines then there is a point in adding such a CPU. If someone is building a PC from scratch then a 6c/12th from AM4 or Intel's 10th gen and after is a much more sensible choice

[@MrJord1994]

I got both of those lol.. they are comparable to each other

[@gametime2473]

For gaming, this isn't a good CPU choice. A 1620 V2 or 2687W V2 would be much better options because of the much higher clock speeds.

[@andystech101]

Just undertaken a smiler project with a P510 Lenovo but I went with a 14core flavour with a lower base clock! Really impressed with the outcome, paired it with an RX5700 and it all come to under £300! Awesome video as usual ❤️🙏🏼

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Very nice!

[@andystech101]

@@RandomGaminginHD Definitely a great way for some budget power in 2023

[@raza8415]

Could you list the parts in your system

[@Enakaji]

Man, that Z420 brings back some good memories. Back in 2015 we had those as our systems at my old Workplace with 32 Gigs of Ram, a Quadro M4000 Gpu and four 22" Monitors. Plenty powerful for what we did, which usually was running between two to four local VMs for Softwarepackaging, Softwaretesting, Test Installation and scripting.

[@AAjax]

I have this CPU installed in a chineseum motherboard. I can set the all-core turbo time to "0" (infinite) and I have a good air cooler on top, so it runs much faster than you think it would.

[@TylerDurden-oy2hm]

wow how did you set the allcore turbo time?thru bios??

[@AAjax]

@@TylerDurden-oy2hm No hacks or tricky stuff involved. In the bios for two different vendor x79 mothrboards that I got from ali, turbo has a timeout value. I tried setting it very high, which as fine, until I got the idea to try 0. After doing that I confirmed I was fully getting the expected all-core boost values in the OS via HWINFO, and ran I passmark which put me in the upper end of the results for the same cpu. Guessing that x79 is only software governed in this regard.

[@TylerDurden-oy2hm]

@@AAjax thanks for that!

[@aye796]

​@@AAjaxcan you screenshot where to find those settings thanks

[@dgw4049]

I use the 2690v2 10 core as it has slightly higher clocks which make it slightly better for gaming. I have actually never encountered a game that wouldn't play with it. I run it with a 6900xt at 4k60 and its great.

[@StarmenRock]

V2 is ddr3... thats garbage for today standarts in general :c

[@pvanb2]

@@StarmenRock define garbage...

[@StarmenRock]

@@pvanb2 like getting 60% less performance because obviously... its ddr3

[@jong-yk3gk]

@@pvanb2I’m glad these people like him more quad channel 1866 ddr3 for me 😊

[@XRISSCROSS.]

Its literally so underrated what we can do to achieve a nice gaming experience overall with "old" builds. Thats crazy😆😆

[@DoktorLorenz]

I started my X79 journey with a 3930K build, with 32Gb ram & GTX Titan, nowadays i run a E5-2667v2 which i brought in 2018. I personally felt the 2697v2 was a little too low on clock speeds and picked this 8c16t to as it will turbo 3.6 on all cores without overclocking. It's an ultra reliable CPU that has served me well as my 2nd/backup PC that always seems to just get on with things.

[@devontoner]

2667v2 is the sweet spot for core speed and count. I also had a 3930k but I did replace it with a 2697v2 but for a home server

[@undertone2472]

Thanks for sharing an older X79 Xeon. Love these old things and the prices now. Same with X99.

[@TigTex]

Looks like the games are unable to fully utilize the CPU. For example, farcry 6 has one CPU core near 100% and that's why you are CPU limited. You might get a boost in gaming performance by disabling hyperthreading in BIOS. This will reduce the slight overhead of hyperthreading and reduce the power consumption which should increase the turbo ratio.

[@OnBrandRP]

It's because of the GPU being used. The CPU is too old to run such a modern day card. It's a massive CPU bottleneck. If he used something more akin to a GTX 1060 6GB it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Turning off hyperthreading won't help the performance any, or help boost the clock speed any either. He could maybe try undervolting the cpu then overclocking it back to stock to wiggle some extra performance out of it but that's about it really.

[@Scornfull]

@@OnBrandRP the modern gpu doesn't affect it negatively whatsoever and some games don't like hyperthreading or cpus with a lot of cores

[@yancgc5098]

⁠@@OnBrandRP Turning off hyper-threading on an old 12 core CPU will help it boost a bit higher in clock speed and this type of CPU needs all the MHz it can get, not more threads. Plus if it is overclockable then you can get an extra 100-200 MHz out of it with hyper-threading disabled.

[@blays.7178]

@@yancgc5098 & @ObscureMusicArchives so he would be better with i7-4960x, with only 6c/12th but it runs on oc 4.5Ghz? i a have x79 mobo and i was thinking if i should get e5 for 30$ or i7 for 70$... i had watched Jayz video explaingng just that, that one core gets on 100% and start to throtle and that core is responsible for pcie? i wonder how would city skyline run on that kind of setup gpu is gtx1080ti for now, but i would like to upgrade gpu first....thanks

[@wyattc3283]

the problem comes from the lower single thread performance. if a game is only utilizing 1 or 2 cores, then it doesnt matter that you have 12. I love these old xeon processors because the v3 and up have great STR and still tons of cores. You can divide them up and use them for server hosting

[@vicolin6126]

Nice video! I like that you pointed out some core facts like the v1/v2 cpu´s and matching motherboards. I don't know if you saw, but on the last video featuring this HP z420 I commented about pretty much all the things you said at the start. If it inspired you to add it in, I'm honored :D

[@Velaxity]

Just bought an e5 2680 v4 for £13.. And I've ordered a cheap mb of aliexpress to pair it with. I've got the rest of the parts in my spares, thought it would be a laugh to throw together!

[@KevinGoldLVL]

I still have my "highend" pc that I have built like 2-3 years ago, but these type of build seems to be so much fun to thinker with. A old Beast of the past, plus the notoriety of a sleeper pc is pretty nice. It's like a old Muscle Car, energy efficiency is not the point

[@Beisepimp]

Still a great gaming performance for this age! In Spiderman the game only uses the 12 cores and the other 12 Threads are not used at all. :D

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah really strange behaviour there haha

[@THU31]

Thread scheduling is a weird thing. It's mostly the operating system's job, but applications can suggest what behavior they want. There are games that go primarily for the P-cores, then E-cores if they need more power, and then HT cores as a last resort. Redfall is one of those games, Spiderman seems to be another. If you take some old games that only use 1-4 hardware threads, the load will be spread by the OS across more cores somehow. Sometimes this causes issues and you actually need to enforce the affinity to limit a game to 1-4 cores to prevent crashing or performance fluctuations. Some games with low thread counts sometimes use both logical processors (HT) from a single core instead of only using one, which degrades performance. Always a good idea to read the pcgamingwiki before playing a game and tweaking some stuff. As much as I love computers, understanding exactly how something works can be a pain.

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

man these game devs are some serious noobs and have no idea what their doing. youd think after making video games for multi core PC's for nearly 20 years theyed get a clue on what to do with it

[@zCaptainz]

@@TruthDoesNotExist maybe you should just go and make it for them

[@THU31]

@@lurch789 HT is useful in games if the game can utilize that many threads, which most game do not. With low core counts, HT is extremely helpful. Back in the day I was playing Far Cry 3 on a Core i3-530 (2C/4T), enabling HT meant going from 20 to 30 FPS. Obviously it's better to have more physical cores, but HT is basically a free way of increasing performance while saving die space and power. Running 6 threads on a 4C/8T CPU will be slower than a 6C/6T CPU, but running 8 threads will pretty much offer the same performance on both CPUs, it could even be slightly faster on the 4C/8T one. There are a some games that run better on 6C/12T than 8C/8T, because they are able to use all those threads at the same time.

[@exxor9108]

That benchmark for Spider-Man is very perplexing. It seems that a lot of the threads were parked during gameplay.

[@DJ_Dopamine]

X79 and X99 content. We ❤ it!!!

[@RandomGaminginHD]

😁

[@builder396]

I think what led to the strange results was how well (or not) games made use of that many cores. Cyberpunk for example had an extremely even use on all available threads, meaning it can multithread amazingly well, while Hogwarts Legacy was mainly sitting on three threads, which can be a huge detriment if the CPU has mediocre performance per core due to the lower clockspeed. GTA V also hogged mostly one thread it seems. Single threads on the CPU maxing out due to bad optimization for multi-core CPUs is always going to be the achilles heel of these server/workstation CPUs with insane core counts as clocks will always be getting the short end of the stick on those.

[@TheEnhas]

A lot of games still rely mainly on single-threaded performance, Hogwarts Legacy is a pretty big offender to the point you'll likely have stutters if you have anything earlier than a 12th gen Intel / 5000 series Ryzen and it only gets worse the further back you go, current-gen console versions have Zen 2 (ie. 3000 series) CPUs and they tend to stutter in performance mode

[@SwiftHDX]

Quite surprised at this, nice video. I found a Z400 with a Quadro 4000 built in in our e-waste bin at work. Certainly not powerful but the nostalgia from back in the day is great from when these components were extremely expensive and exclusive in a way.

[@The93Momo93]

How I wish all modern games could utilize extra cpu cores like Cyberpunk, look at that, all cores loaded at least 50%, just beautiful.

[@griff5476]

I have a 1650 v2 (all core overclock to 4.2ghz) paired with a Vega 64 for living room sofa gaming. Works well. Quite a balanced system for 1080p, even 1440p.

[@cerberus50caldawg]

Interesting video. I have several old z400's I upgraded long ago and they are still alive and kicking. Always wanted to get a z420 but alas never have ...yet. The first two Z400's I had back in like 2014 I put x5675's in each and called them good. Optimized the best settings in bios for most power and they were quick enough and for the time still pretty awesome. I sold one to a friend and kept the other one as my wifes office pc. I ended up picking up a couple more for real cheap soon afterword and did more research and learned that the w3670 w3680 w3690 of course were the overclockers that would work... at the time I could find no information that a z400 could even run a w3690 but given there were some with w3680's I had hopes it would work. I ended up putting a w3680 in one and trying to figure out setfsb and throttlestop with it. I was successful with figuring out the pll that worked with setfsb but it was never 100% stable or reliable so gave up with that option. Throttlestop was the answer though. Was able to set a real good stable overclock around 3.8Ghz across all cores and a turbo on up to 4 cores at 4.1Ghz I was real happy with. Learned about the proprietary power supply fairly early on with those as well. I only had the 475w PSU's and knew I needed at least the 600w units that seemed way to pricey compared to the average consumer grade models I could find at the time even then. I had an hd7850(single pcie 6pin plug needed) in one which ran just fine but I put a gtx670(dual pcie 6pin needed) in the other one and was using a dual molex to 6pin connector and kept having problems with the 475w psu. Bought a 600w z400 power supply and was not happy witht the fact it only had two pcie 6pin power connectors but still much better then the single and ran the gtx670 just fine but I wanted to try sli with 2 670's and that wouldn't cut it. Explored forums did some studying learned the difference in pinouts for the HP Z400 pSU's vs standard consumer PSU's and went to work modding a decent 800w standard ATX PSU to work. Did the mod to all the Z400's instead of wasting any more money on another trash 600w Proprietary HP PSU that costed more then the old z400's themselves. Then I was running dual GTX 670's and then GTX680's. A huge HIS IceQ Turbo HD 7950 3GB went into my wifes PC. My wifes PC had the 600w HP PSU. That PSU ate that HD7950 as well as an rx480 and lastly a gtx970 before I realized it was the problem child. Each of those cards just black screened out of the blue randomly and never worked again. Changed that power supply out to a regular 750w unit and never had an issue with another dead gpu ever again out of any of the Z's. Finally after some years I believe it was in late 2017 I got hold of a w3690 and threw it in the last box needing the upgraded cpu (still running w3530). Fingers crossed because I still couldn't find anything about it working in a z400 but it worked great. Throttlestop... that's the point of all of this message. Use Throttlestop because you should be able to get that chip to OC even in that HP motherboard. There's some tips and tricks in order to get it right. But it is easily doable. So yeh... that's what I was trying to tell you. OC that beast and try a few more tests using that 3060 in it to compare against. LOL I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised with the performance increase. I'll gladly try and help with the technicalities of getting throttlestop dialed in and setting up a Task to run it on startup properly so it works like it should every time you boot the machine etc. A few little tricks but overall it's quite simple. Try it out! 😁👍

[@Pendragon69608]

this man said 12 cores 24 threads running at base speed of 2.7 and 3.5 turbo dude thats crazy for that board you just blew my mind

[@forced4motorsports]

Great vid. There is a lot of older hardware out there that's very capable with the right video card paring. I have a Phenom II 6 core system (vmware whitebox) with a 1650 in it that I used as a backup to my outgoing 10 year old I5 4690K gaming box. That Phenom holds its own, as did most iterations of that processor. Quite astounding for a 13 year old processor built on 15 year old architecture. I'm moving to an I5 13 gen today, so I'm going to compare the phenom and I5 4th gen with the 1650 to see which one is actually better.

[@thathsavanhsivilaythong]

My boy don't came along way. I been following you since you first started out. Watching those q6600 videos. Lol. Keep up the good work.

[@joshuascholar3220]

I like this channel. Your style is unassuming.

[@stamasd8500]

I'm using this exact CPU in a server setup i.e. its intended use. My home-made NAS/server, paired with a Chinese "x79" motherboard, 64GB DDR3, a HP H240 SAS card and 8x3TB SAS drives in ZFS (yes I have it in a case where they all fit). It's perfectly adequate for the ZFS storage role as well as heavy compiling of software occasionally. I actually don't have a graphics card in it at all. :)

[@darkacb8422]

i absolutely love builds like these. just taking some random business desktop and slamming a GPU in there.

[@nothing.mp3]

as long as the PSU can support it my "first PC ever" recommendation is always an old business PC + GPU.

[@leafpirate]

@@nothing.mp3 my friend who knows nothing about computers just bought a DDR4 Dell Optiplex on FB Marketplace for $70 or something like that. I bought him an 8GB VRAM GPU as a present and he's happily emulating PS3 games and playing Game Pass games such as Doom Eternal and he said it was really easy to figure out. Sadly, people who think they know what they're talking about told him his whole life you have to build a computer for real cost savings, which overwhelmed him and he thought he couldn't do it.

[@SpeedIng80]

5:52 Pißwasser Pils ... Old but gold (in several senses) 😀

[@BarringtonRobinsonII]

For Hogwarts etc you have to set priority to High .

[@thepezfeo]

0:43 This is the first time I recall seeing a CPU with inverted/ clipped corners. I've only ever seen x58, x79, x99 chips online, not in person.

[@Sneby.]

not much people know this cpu gem it cost so much less than other cpu making it a budget meal build... i have a x79 paired with 2670 with 64gb ram and gtx750ti coming this week it cost me 90$ hoping it will perform better in light gaming

[@johndoh5182]

I just can't justify the monetary savings getting something like this when I know the power consumption is high. 10 years ago energy here was cheap. It's gone up 50%. I can't justify this when I can buy a Ryzen 5500 for $80 USD, a B550 MB with 2 NVMe ports for about $100 (Gigabyte Ultra Durable line) and 32GB of memory for about $80 USD and have a much better backbone for a gaming system that's also faster. And the power consumption is TINY.

[@siwexwot8994]

You are making a lot of great videos on youtube. Thanks!

[@m4heshd]

I ran my VMs on one of these. Did me well. Loud and eats a ton of watts but damn, best home "servers" which are also affordable.

[@jasonviande5053]

The Z420 with the 1620v2 was my gaming PC for a looong time, and I loved it

[@406Steven]

I recently picked up a Z440 workstation for free, I'm hoping my E5-2690v4 works in it! I'm building it for a Plex/Conan/Satisfactory/Space Engineers dedicated server and a living room VR machine with a 3050, 128GB of RAM, 5x 10TB SAS drives, 2x 1 TB SSDs, and unRAID running off a 64GB flash drive. I love seeing what these old cheap/free office PCs can do, especially with just a little investment.

[@waynemarsh7775]

That HP liquid cooler is actually kinda awesome! I've never seen an AIO quite like it before!

[@guyver9688]

This BLOWS my MIND, i cant believe any of this you can see al the cores % and even cyberpunk all cores WORK !!!

[@keg6256]

I really like this type of content. I have an old HP ProLiant DL380p with two E5 2696v2. (I bought those cpus for 35€ on aliexpress).

[@PL-fj4uq]

These old Xeon systems are often incredible value for money, I have some of the Dell Precision series running Xeon V4s at work and have no need to change them out. Not to mention, despite the age, the chassis/cases are super durable (but heavy) and can withstand being moved around without damage - makes modern cases look like tin cans.

[@damonsalvatore792]

Will be also interesting testing the cyberpunk update requirements in old hardware and the actual rigs , for example if it's still works on a hdd

[@jonctr]

After watching this and your E5-1650 v2 vid, I decided to do some benchmarking with the various CPU's I've since collected (mine came originally with an E5-1620 v2). HP Z420 (Rev 2 motherboard) Win 10 x64 Pro for Workstations 128 Gb RAM (1866 MHz) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Cinebench R15: Xeon E5-1620 v2 - OpenGL 67.49 fps - CPU 507 cb Xeon E5-1650 v2 - OpenGL 82.97 fps - CPU 948 cb Xeon E5-2667 v2 - OpenGL 73.31 fps - CPU 1275 cb Xeon E5-2697 v2 - OpenGL 57.61 fps - CPU 1558 cb Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0: (Direct3D11 1360 x 768 fullscreen, Custom, High) Xeon E5-1620 v2 - FPS 107.5 - Score 4500 - Min FPS 23.6 - Max FPS 163.9 Xeon E5-1650 v2 - FPS 109.6 - Score 4584 - Min FPS 26.4 - Max FPS 184.8 Xeon E5-2667 v2 - FPS 117.8 - Score 4930 - Min FPS 30.0 - Max FPS 199.6 Xeon E5-2697 v2 - FPS 89.9 - Score 3762 - Min FPS 23.0 - Max FPS 153.6 As @White-Wolf1969 mentioned below, the 2667 does seem to be the pick for gaming, although the 2697 monstered the Cinebench CPU rendering test. I didn't try the 2687W V2 (150W TDP), but do have the optional high performance heat sink to run one, but I guess the results will be similar to the 2667. I do also occasionally run Proxmox VE on it, and in that case for running multiple VM's, the 2697 is probably better Keep up the good work!

[@glaassassin5176]

x79 is pretty good imo the low single core is why some of the games you tested did not run good as the others. if you get a chance to get a xeon 1680 v2 its the best cpu on the platform and can do 4.4 to 4.5ghz with a good cooler and board that can overclock it. for gpu the 2080ti is best card you can pair it with but is a beast for 1440p gaming

[@69Dartman]

I ran a couple different early i7 boxes as my main boxes for a long time. First one was a original I7 980 that I was surprised when buddy gave me the board complete for helping him scrap old trade in pc's from his business. It had 6 CORES, it was a very fast beast compared to my old AMD quad core. Later I upgraded to newer I7 board and plunked the fastest 4960x cpu it could take, still 6 core, but even faster and newer memory. Both were very cheap to build up and the big thing is they used a lot of power between the cpu and the 1070gtx video card I run. I finally upgraded to a Ryzen 3900x 12 core but those old cpu's were very fast for how ancient they were and I still use the 980 as a win7 box to run Windows Media Center with my old HD HomeRun prime 3 tuner cable card setup that is only fully supported by WMC because of the cable card needs special support for the encryption it uses. The new monster does the video editing and recoding, plus playing games if I want. Those old cpu's are still a cheap way to build a still fast box as long as you don't need support for the latest goodies and games.

[@KennerMarqueti]

This old xeons are so great. It took me using one to appreciate it. It's not an modern i9 or even i7 equivalent, but they make excellent computers for very cheap. Aliexpress xeons and mobos are saving Latin America rn.

[@yourbluewaffle]

You can get a Xeon 2680v4 for less than 30$ shipped nowadays from Chinese markets. It's 14 cores/28 threads and runs close to 3ghz in games. You can pair it with a Chinese x99 motherboard which cost at least 80$ for decent ones. It's a great budget workstation plus gaming machine as long as you don't expect 100+ fps on it for single core heavy games like the newer far cry or assassin's creed games since it has fairly low clock speeds.

[@25myma]

Been using its 'little' brother, the e5-2696 v2 for almost 2 years now and it's worth every penny😊

[@ErrantJourney]

Every time I watch your benchmarks, it makes me laugh when a lot of the games you play are displaying a WANTED level, or a warning from police you are involved with some illegal activity. And you come across as a decent chap. Hmmm, I wonder now about that. Another great video. I have a Dell Precision T3620 with i5-6500t and paired it with a GTX 1060 6gb. This machine performs solid with no issues whatsoever. Total cost including gpu was about $120 U.S. dollars.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

😂😁 nice build too

[@dasvollkornbrot44]

I have the Z420 too, I use the Intel Xeon E5-2690 and an AMD Rx 5700 XT. It runs most of the newer Triple A Games at 1080P Ultra with 60 Fps. Its an abosulute Budget Boomer. The Turbo Boost for the CPU in the bios also helped me too get 3.4 - 3.8 Ghz constant.😄

[@leeksoup3199]

Out of curiosity, is yours water cooled or air cooled? And does it have the additional front fan?

[@dasvollkornbrot44]

​@@leeksoup3199 It is air-cooled with the pre-installed air-cooler. I set the fan speed in bios at highest, (idc about noise) and it runs in Furmark not over 60C°. Perhaps trough the Arctic 6 thermalpaste, can't complain about it, one of the greatest that I had been using. When you have more questios, ask them. Hope this helps 👍

[@378568371569]

What BIOS version and settings are you running? I can't get my Z420 to post with an 51risc RX 5600XT, I'm on BIOS 3.91 to avoid the meltdown patches

[@carfo]

HP workstations are beasts. our 24/7 facility uses them and they very rarely break down

[@justassimple8328]

I currently have an E5-2650v3 CPU that I paired with an x99 motherboard and an 16GB ECC RAM. Generally, DDR4 ECC RAMs are also cheaper than non-ECC counterparts. When buying Intel CPUs please be careful that some of the Intel Xeons are engineering, pre-qualification or qualification samples which can impact the performance and the stability of the machine. Usually sellers don't know about these samples but if they do know they charge a higher price especially at the qualification samples. You can actually check if engineering samples or not by looking at the "Stepping" in CPU-Z or HWInfo (Applicable in v3 CPUs, not sure to v2 and v4. CPU-Z: Stepping: 0 (ENG sample), Stepping :2 (Pre-QS), Stepping 3: QS (Samples)

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

Interesting CPU, like!

[@honahwikeepa2115]

I picked up the Z440 on eBay Australia for $230au. E51650V3 32g 2133 ddr4 K2200 Quadro. I put an HP Turbo pci-e nvme adaptor and nvme in for a further $60au. I'm not a gamer but just wanted something bullet proof and cheap. These go for between $150-250 in Australia.

[@Titanicus2]

I'm still running an x5650 over clocked to 4.2ghz with 24gb of 2000mhz triple channel ram. My set up is so old it should be drawing a pension yet still it manages to do what I need it to do from a gaming perspective. Best pc buy I ever made.

[@balazsmiklos9509]

if you try this system with a weaker gpu, maybe try an amd card because driver overhead is bigger with nvidia cards (i know its a 3060 ti, but in cpu limited scenario every small things matters) and/or disable hyperthreading, games wont scale well on 24 threads.

[@kBitre]

I was just going to mention that, why I thought it was bizarre to test a lower end cpu with Nvidia

[@sgunmusic]

I recently moved to Canada and I plan to do the same thing get an old workstation and throw my gtx 1650 super for low end gaming PC which can be a light workstation as well :)

[@bryanwages3518]

Should of used an amd card. The driver overhead on nvidia cards kills performance on weak cpus.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah I keep meaning to get an AMD card for tests like this. Perhaps a 6650xt

[@irishgiant5150]

I was about to comment the same

[@irishgiant5150]

@@RandomGaminginHD You might want to step up to the 6700 XT so it has full 16 PCIe lanes for older systems. I believe the 6650 XT is only wired for 8 PCIe 4.0 lanes.

[@psyolent.]

you may find that some newer titles look for arch extensions that the older CPUs dont support. thats what ran me out with one of the last older core CPUs i was using.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Pretty impressive for a 10 year old chip actually.

[@keithsk-gaming9820]

what if you dropped a 3070 or 6750 xt in? the cpu was limited my the old board but it would be interesting to see what it could do then.

[@Frogga_UFO]

You should try out xeons e5 v3, especially 2670v3. Not the most expensive, but still one of the best by price-performance value. And unlock all-cores turboboost on them, cuz only v3 has that opportunity. The bundle of CPU+motherboard+16 GB ram costs less than 100 bucks, and performs like i5 10400 in all games. When I bought 10400f myself, the only thing I felt that moment was disappointment, cuz I payed 400% more (it was few years ago when prices when sky high) and almost didn't get any fps gain compared to my 2640v3 on that moment. CS GO and Cyberpunk both performed identical on them. So I just sold 10400f few months later and kept on using xeon

[@seanvucich]

Great video - Have a Z440 I've done similar!!!

[@partial_]

Look into the Xeon E5-2667 v2. It's only 8 cores but faster base and turbo speeds makes it great for repurposing these old machines for gaming.

[@ChemTheCourier]

This would be neat in one of the old alien head shaped Alienware towers

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah haha

[@TheSpotify95]

Not bad for such an old system. I honestly thought that all of the extra cores/threads would do nothing to improve performance, since most games don't touch lots and lots of cores. Maybe I should buy a second hand R5 3600 system to keep me going until I can build something more powerful.

[@AmosDohms]

Lots of old ryzen stuff around, just a matter of getting a good deal. For some reason, used AMD processors are far cheaper then markedly inferior Intel processors. And finding a motherboard for the AMD part will be far easier.

[@cerberus50caldawg]

There is nothing wrong at all with it... old off-lease used office workstations come in many forms and flavors and can be found quite cheaply at local PC recycle shops in most bigger towns these days cheep. I live near Tacoma so I can source these pretty good at my local shops... but the internet has some really good options shipped if you need to go that route also. HP Lenovo Dell Etc... lots of these to choose from with similar specs. Be aware some brands use proprietary hardware like specific part number PSU's and you can't just throw any old ATX power supply in it if you need more PCI-E connector options generally. But in many cases with some research and a little bit of modding a standard PSU can be easily wired to work in most cases. So there are some drawbacks but if repinning and splicing a few wires is not daunting then I say it is well worth it in overall value you get out of these things. I still have 3 running and great performing z-400's from generations ago and they are like tanks and have more then payed for themselves with all the use I am still getting from them.

[@maker7901]

Now it's time to do a case swap. With the hardware being there. I know there would be some connections that wouldn't be able to be used. But a nice tampered glass case with rgb would be nice.

[@blays.7178]

i wonder if he would be better with i7-4960x, with only 6c/12th but it runs on oc 4.5Ghz? i a have x79 mobo and i was thinking if i should get e5 for 30$ or i7 for 70$... i had watched Jayz video explaingng just that, that one core gets on 100% and start to throtle and that core is responsible for pcie? i wonder how would city skyline run on that kind of setup gpu is gtx1080ti for now, but i would like to upgrade gpu first....thanks

[@evergreengamer5767]

Really enjoying these lga2011 videos

[@chillhour6155]

Cpu is definitely more suited to 1080p with that pairing, the 3060 in cyberpunk was left with all the work at 1440p while the CPU was still getting out of bed

[@couriersix2443]

Not bad performance overall, but I feel that the CPU was still holding it back for the most part in Cyberpunk despite the GPU sometimes hitting full utilization. I also have a 3060ti OC model (with an additional + 150 core + 300 mem @ 110% PL via Afterburner) paired with a R5 5600 (using a custom PBO OC of +200, 10x scalar, and -10 offset) so it's identical to a 5600x in terms of peak clockspeed. System RAM is 32GB 3200Mhz CL14. Even then, Cyberpunk will damn near fully max out all cores/threads at 1080p high textures / med for mostly everything else at native res, but achieves upwards of 100-120fps most of the time with occasional dips into the low 60s. It's around the same for 1440p w/ DLSS balanced enabled, except total CPU usage drops around 15-20% despite the better image fidelity. 1080p just pins my 5600 at 80-90% utilization more often than not... don't even get me started on using DLSS at that res lol. I forgot to disable it once when I was testing 1080p and it immediately had the 5600 at 100% usage indefinitely. Given the otherwise impressive IPC and achievable clock speeds of what's more or less the best AM4 6c/12t option, I'm still kinda surprised at just how CPU intensive Cyberpunk is. I was really excited for Phantom Liberty, but now I'm mostly dreading it as 1080p High 60fps is calling for an i7-12700 or R7 7800...GPU requirements are 2060 Super/5700 XT/Arc A770 so I'm not worried on that front with a 3060ti. But damn...when I got my 5600 I was so happy to have something close enough to "current gen" (AM5 wasn't released yet) having used a 2600 @ 4.1Ghz all-core + an RX 580 8GB for over 3 years beforehand. Guess I'll either be getting a 5800x3D or moving to a DDR4 Z690 w/ a 12700K later this year.

[@jimfoster3575]

hey matie wanted to point out that for cyberpunk i would disagree with it being more gpu intensive, rather if you check the on screen stats it is using all the cores, so i think its just simply using the cpu more efficiently than other games

[@frugalfun2.07]

Your thoughts on the E5 2667 v2? 8 cores with a higher clock speed should be better for games right? I picked one up for 15 quid off Ebay....but my motherboard is only compatible with v1 CPUs! I'll guess I'll have to wait for a cheap deal on a v2 workstation😂

[@DoktorLorenz]

That's exactly why I upgraded my 2013 X79 3930K build with one of these in 2018, I got two more cores and i didn't really lose anything on single core or all core clock speeds.

[@jojojo8645]

If you use the 1650v2 you can overclock it using XTU. I got about 4.0 stable. Didn't have the liquid cooler, it had more if I had the headroom.

[@dimonix6988]

4.2 overclock 1650 V2 . Simple air cooling .

[@gadgetman_nz4092]

Got one of these I bought for my daughter for video work a few years ago. Might have to check out better CPU options for it.

[@EyesOfByes]

I'd be curious to know how MS Flightsim would work with DLSS 3.0 and an old Xeon. Like the 14-core Xeon I have

[@tomstech4390]

Pro tip: if you can find (for similar money) a more modern cpu even with less cores... do it, Right now a Ryzen 1700 is £40 in the UK and AM4 boards are everywhere and it'll piss all over this, even a 6core 1600 etc will be faster. You can buy one of these cpu's for $30... but don't actually buy it intending to build a system and game on it, a lga1150 board and 4770/4790 series will be allot nicer to live with for pure gaming, If you wanna do rendering as a majority they're fine but remember an early 6-8core ryzen is still faster. Source: I have many xeon systems (single and dual socket) across many generations.

[@redleader6442]

The 2680 v2 is also a respectable choice, and may be better for gaming and energy savings. 100 MHz higher turbo and a 15 watt drop in TDP. It's a 10-core, but what modern game actually takes full advantage of that, let alone 12 cores?

[@unknownyoutuber730]

Really appreciated Work , i have some questions, For pubg mobile on gameloop, This 2697v2 is a good choice? If yes Than which Budget Gpu is best for 1080p gaming with this Processor with minimum bottleneck?

[@Jayyajj]

I recently got a dell precision t3610 from my internship and i was looking to install a ssd, a 3060 12gb and this e6 2697 v2 in it. thats crazy how you made a video like this lol. also can anyone tell mw with these spec would it be good enough to just use as a streaming PC

[@Collin_J]

Xeon 1230v2 in my friend's Apex machine, was a fun build

[@ak3t0n]

I just ordered the same CPU as I have the exact Z420 paired with a RTX 3060Ti, the $69 PC ;). I found an older XTU that lets me keep it at 4Ghz all cores. Will reply once I get home and also test the "new" CPU

[@ak3t0n]

Nop, didn't worked. the 2697 on the same board, OS, BIOS XTU version does not want to overclock

[@1eyedwilli3]

I have a Z440 Running a 12 core XEON, 64GB DDR4 Ram, and Its running MAC OS Ventura PERFECTLY.

[@ConfusedStu]

Watching this old bruiser tackling modern games oddly reminded me of your "Can the 3000G run it?" videos. Diametrically opposite approaches, but the same goal - like watching a moped racing a fully loaded truck round a track. 😂

[@MrJord1994]

I got a dual socket 2680 v1 system paired with a 6700xt.. love it

[@victormurori4367]

Hey bro can you test laptop gpus like mx130/mx250

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah been meaning too :)

[@noticing33]

Would love to see a full build same price, comparison to modern systems and see where each has advantages

[@awebuser5914]

Awesome if you can get them for peanuts (say, under $100), fully-equipped (16GB+ and a good "starter" CPU), but they can quickly become a money-pit if you chase too many extra parts. In gaming, they are single-core limited a lot of the time. Generationally, they are Ivy Bridge era, so like a 3770 or thereabouts...

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah a 3770 or 4770 would do just as well in a lot of cases

[@pops7249]

Thanks for this video I'm actually want to build hi end gaming PC with Xeon E5 2696 v3 😊

[@Kryptix0III]

I remember seeing Linus's review of this CPU back in the day

[@livemeyer]

I'm impressed that this processor will run on this CPU. I have this very same Z420, with the 1650 processor. it lists the 8-core 2667v2 as the top compatible chip, but I suppose that's because the 2697v2 hadn't been created yet. I'd like to know if the system gave you any troubles when installing this 2697v2?

[@livemeyer]

I swapped in a 2667 replacing my 1650. I have another Z420 with a 1620, but the 2667 wouldn't post. I suspect that computer has the older V1 architecture. Oh well. Just bought four sticks of RAM on eBay for $24 was supposed to be 8gb but is actually 16gb so I now have a computer with 96gb of RAM. Overkill.

[@extervision]

I have this beauty, and i think that for gaming the e5 1650 v2 is the best cpu for it. It is the only unlocked cpu for this platform(that i know of) and with intel xpu i managed to run ot at 4.2ghz all cores. And ot run flawlessly. You can go even higner, but i only had the stock cooler. Also there may be a way to run setfsb and go even higher, but i couldn't make ot run.

[@dexsters5643]

The E5-2697V2 perf. Wise feels like the E5-2660v3. But the V3 has the turbo unlock option so its a better choice