Range Rovers Being Stolen With Bluetooth Speakers

[@NerdInMotion23]

I've done a more in depth video with a specialist in the field please take a look. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZW3la2Iocath7csi=B0q-UNf2kV_NsPUc

[@TheCounty90]

It is a funny world where law abiding decent citizens are kept in the dark about these security issues but car thieves already have all the knowledge. Everyone should know so we can help prevent our cars being stolen. Thanks for sharing.

[@LL-sh9ce]

Using a disc lock is the best deterrent as they won't be bothered to sit around picking a lock 99% of them won't be able to pick a lock so they will move on to the next one,

[@NerdInMotion23]

New video with a bit more in depth look drops at 10am

[@NerdInMotion23]

@@LL-sh9ce I saw the tool yesterday they use the lock is open in less than 10 seconds.

[@LL-sh9ce]

Yes it's called a turbo decoder lock pick that I think you're talking about extremely quick and high position tool goes hand in hand with the OBD JLR programmer and if you buy the cable that comes with the programmer you can program a key from outside the car even if it is alarmed and locked so you won't have to buy lock pick

[@iankuah8606]

Funny? Perverse more like!🙈

[@The_Repairman_Workshop]

Once they took away the physical key you instantly lost 50% of your security.

[@NerdInMotion23]

You're 💯 correct but it goes so much further than that now the floodgates are open.

[@TWW-zk9gw]

You mean all those movies where they "hotwire" the car in ten seconds ain't believable?

[@NerdInMotion23]

@@TWW-zk9gw 😂😂

[@Rapscallion2009]

​@@TWW-zk9gwdepends on the model. Some it isn't too far from the truth.

[@RedHotscot]

Until around the late 80's early 90's Fords could be opened and started with the bone handle from and old fashioned dinner knife removed, and the tang used as a key. Car security always has been largely an illusion. Cars are designed to be moved.

[@amcrome]

As a RR owner I was disappointed to see my insurance more than doubled this year when shopping around, my current insurer then added another 50% on top due to a no fault accident where someone hit my car in a car park - luckily the dashcam caught them and I pursued them outside my insurance to try and avoid being penalised - but it was registered against my car so it got me in the end. My point here is if someone is going to try and take my car - yes it's just a car and it can be replaced, but you are going to lose your excess which is likely £500 - £1000 and B your premium will go up - so there is a very real incentive to stop a thief taking it. With regard to preventing the theft of any car (keyless or not), if you block the market for it the supply will reduce because there is nowhere to dispose of the cars and this would have an almost instant effect (few weeks). If you then legislate than no cars can be exported unless inspected and recorded; yes there would be an initial chaotic situation, but after a few months the situation will become normal with an understood delay of 2 or 3 weeks. Block people being able to load cars from yards within ports and you start to win the battle. You could set up trusted yards across the country where cars can be loaded in to containers to spread the load. This will create jobs funded by the costs to export cars and I'm sure the insurance companies would be happy to contribute to the setting up. This all seems so obvious yet there is little appetite to get it started.

[@neutralcorner5950]

Good fair points! See a little on the ports thing. Is it possibly the case that these cars are going in containers that are not registered for cars at all. Registered for completely different contents. Is there also some sort of rules on restricting trade at ports. Like it’s difficult for authorities to search a lot as that then breaches these rules? I could be wrong but think I read this somewhere.

[@esecallum]

come on. you only bought to inflate you ego and to rub the peasants nose in it and to be a bully boy on the road.right? RIGHT? ADMIT IT.

[@malmic2494]

My insurance doubled on my car and it ain’t a RR.

[@f1fantraveltv358]

Why talk sense? They never listen…

[@Robotron5000Deluxe]

Why burden everyone with all that - not everyone has a Range Rover or wants ones. If any thing Range Rover should ditch keyless.

[@Snoozzzzzze]

I am in an (not named) African country at the moment and it is surprising how many late model range rovers and BMW X6 etc that there are here. Some still on U.K. plates.

[@nelsonclub7722]

My 2015 RR had a thing where you could present the key to the car, leave the driver door open and press buttons in order or for length and it would disable the broadcasting from your house. Mr Bean had thr ultimate anti theft device - a padlock and he would take the steering wheel

[@NerdInMotion23]

I think a lot of manufacturers have gotten sloppy with security. I'm working to find something. Mr Bean knew where it was at.

[@bongofury3176]

carrying a bluetooth speaker becomes a crime when you play coldplay

[@NerdInMotion23]

Facts 😂

[@OH2023-cj9if]

Carrying a GPS jammer gets you done for Going Equipped for Theft.

[@Neilalex123]

Ever since I got my first car in the 70s I've always used a two stage cut out system that still works today. Hidden battery cut off and separate hidden fuel pump switch. First car was a ford cortina.

[@richardgrimbleby7853]

Can you do this on today's motors ?

[@robbenson4598]

By far, the best way of avoiding getting your RR stolen is NEVER purchase a RR.

[@jimbojones1107]

It's also good advice for keeping financial security

[@TicketyBoo.]

I take it you missed the bit about ALL manufacturers being affected.

[@robbenson4598]

@@TicketyBoo. my Tesla M3 performance only cost £700 for insurance last month.

[@esecallum]

Only rich show off idiots buy them as bully boys on the road

[@stephenizzy1]

Let's face it, it probably just about get off the drive before breaking down.

[@chalkfarmcarsquadso1664]

You can't beat a decent crook lock and a aftermarket immobiliser. If you want to keep your car. The manufacturers don't care they will just sell you another car

[@NerdInMotion23]

The only issue with crook locks is all the picks are available. But it certainly could make them move onto an easier target. I'm researching a good immobilizer option

[@Stewss47]

@@NerdInMotion23 Plus you only need to cut each side of the crook lock to remove it. My neighbours camper van was taken this way.

[@NerdInMotion23]

@@Stewss47 what did they use? Battery angle grinder?

[@Crosshatch1212]

Dead hidden switch is best way to not lose you’re car .

[@paulaus]

You can bend the steering wheel enough to remove those crook locks. The steel inside the wheel is just a thin plate designed to bend to protect your face.

[@marktalbot4wd]

Add as many visual deterrents as possible, steering locks etc, pedal locks, store keys in secure pouches, use an old coffee tin to store the pouches, away from the front door, windows, make sure when you lock your car, it locks, check it, especially when in car parks, Bottom line, if they want it, they will take it, but they need to get it quickly, and anything that slows them down will deter them, and they will find another one that is easier to take.

[@neutralcorner5950]

It’s a manufacturer issue, insurance issue and Police issue. Manufacturers don’t really care, stolen product will get replaced by another so getting two sales, insurance, they just put up the premium for that customer for 5 years and also up the premiums for everyone a little, Police used to take car thefts more seriously, now they just see it as a insurance claim. Note it for stats and that’s it. In my town a few years ago if any cars stolen Police would put appeals out via social media etc and actually try and find the car. Now they don’t even bother putting any appeals out and certainly put zero effort into solving the crime.

[@EddieTheH]

The best (legal) security measure you can have on a car is a simple on off switch, spliced into the fuel pump power line and hidden where only the owner can find it.

[@mahlonkarpaiya252]

Sparky!!! I used to have 3 on my bike cutting different things

[@EddieTheH]

@@mahlonkarpaiya252 Yup! A neodymium magnet on the side of the fuel pump relay can also work!

[@diorocks5858]

i said the same thing

[@LL-sh9ce]

You are joking aren't you

[@EddieTheH]

@@LL-sh9ce Did it make you laugh, no? Probably not then...

[@swanseamale47]

You'll laugh, but back in the 1970s my area was so rough with so many cars being stolen. I used to honestly remove the steering wheel of my mk2 escort. No airbags back then and one nut that luckily was wheel nut size, so my spider wrench got it off in a few seconds. It got broken into but I'd love to have seen their faces. Enjoy your video mate.

[@bonkerzmhann]

That reminds me of a specific Mr Bean episode hahaha

[@yuglesstube]

I used to do that too! The trick was getting the damn thing back on with the proper alignment. I'd drive off and find that slight cant so annoying I'd stop to remove and readjust. The many compromises I've had to make, over the course of my life and marriage have forced me to become less OCD about things. 5 🐕 also very influential.

[@swanseamale47]

I never bothered getting it right, just bunged it on. lol @@yuglesstube

[@NOWThatsRichy]

Also, nowadays, when ever a car alarm goes off, most people don't even take any notice of it, people just walk by or ignore them, or even if they witness a car being broken into or stolen, they don't want to get involved!

[@NerdInMotion23]

It's a sad reality.

[@mister6003]

In the old days you used to rig up your own cutoff switch and put in a Obscure place ,even using a unused switches on the dash with a heated rear window picture on it. I use a steering wheel lock,always have a mechanical locking device that isn't linked to anything electronic.

[@kiblams]

This key fob issue has been known about widely for a decade, we've been keeping our keys in the centre of our house for years because of it.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Yeah it's not a new issue

[@alihenderson5910]

I remember when VW got a UK high court injunction (gagging order) to suppress the release of information regarding the inadequacy of the security system that they and other manufacturers were using at the time. If I remember correctly, it was called 'Mako' and two university students had discovered why so many high end motors were getting stolen.

[@pkuudsk9927]

It's as simple as pulling the fuel pump fuse to stop your car being stolen. No thief is going to piss around with a car that won't start. Or Install a switch hidden that interrupts the fuel pump fuse until they come up with a better system that will be defeated in days. This whole security system is a joke to thieves, they live for this it just a game to them.

[@pdtech4524]

The problem is simple, keyless entry / engine start is not secure⚠️ The answer is very straight forward, revert to a physical key with a chip in the fob. Both key and chip are needed to open and start the car. How can we get to 2023, with all the advanced technical, electronics and computers built into cars currently and have high value cars that are easier to start and steal than most 1970s fords were back in the day! I remember my dad showing me his ford escort key could open other fords, I didn't believe him until he showed me on a carpark his key open another ford. I personally would not have a car with keyless entry system!

[@williamrae9954]

Not just cars...ive had 2 x cab invasions on the continent, 1 in a Volvo, 1 in a Scania...both times they've been lucky it's only been feet,fists and a long drop,they're lucky the kitchen knife isn't also in them...as far as I'm concerned, I'm fighting for my life,and i wouldn't think twice about plugging them!

[@TerryLawrence001]

Back in the day, my 69 Newport Custom had an electric fuel pump(changing the mechanical one needed an engine hoist). I wired it to the radio's electric antenna circuit. The car was stolen a few times but was always just down the street, right where the quadra-puke ran out of gas.

[@NerdInMotion23]

That's cool. The quadra puke they were terrible. I'm in the UK and even know how much trouble those qudrajets were. But don't worry we had our own terrible carbs. Anything with the word pierberg was absolute trash.

[@nickcook7408]

Pier burg made very very good carburettors but most people were too stupid to comprehend the control strategies.

[@woolfy101]

My Mini was completely analogue and had keys found with piggy banks so after a full rebuild we fitted a decent alarm, ignition kill switch and battery cut off. One guy bypassed the alarm but couldn’t get it started so he took my ht leads and locked it back up.

[@NerdInMotion23]

What a swine. Maybe he was trying to immobilize your car so he could come back and take another go.

[@ChristianBHough]

It's not just a car though. My van carries everything I need to earn a living. If my van goes and tools go, I might as well give up as I will become a repeat target. Manufacturers are the problem. It is their responsibility to make vehicles that are fit for purpose. Vehicles have to be secure by design.

[@johnrideout7124]

Many years ago, in Hunstanton, there was a 'Joke Shop', that sold what I thought at the time was an excellent device to prevent your car being stolen. It was a tea-towell on which were the remains of which looked like last nights Weapons-grade Vindaloo, liberally sprinkled with convincingly real-looking chips, along with sauces! Leaving that on the seat for all to see, I thought, would deter the most determined evil-doer. But the lady wife would have none of it, and wouldn't let me buy it. But today I think it would sell like pork pies in Australia!

[@NerdInMotion23]

Ha ha that's savage. Yeah I think that would work perfectly well to be honest.

[@TheDrago1882]

That was a great joke shop, shame it’s now long gone

[@bluetit8413]

Great info video, tripped on to your channel via this video. Keep up the great work.

[@genieb]

I had two L322 models and on those there is a way to "hide" the ECU for the keyless entry. Even if you get access to the cars CAN network, you can't see the ECU, i.e. you can't access it. I bought the unit from Black Box Solutions (where I also bought my fully functional diagnostic computer, for fault finding, updating etc.). This might be the type of solution that stops this method of accessing the car and starting and driving it.

[@steve5772]

It isn't just the nice stuff, we had a 2018 Peugeot Boxer nicked from work. I watched the CCTV and they were in and away faster than I do it with the keys most mornings. Weird thing is, they totally ignored the brand new transit parked over the road away from the cameras.

[@NerdInMotion23]

I can do some more digging on why certain cars and vans are stolen more than others. But it seems random at times.

[@DaveGreeneramblingcarpenter]

I think that thieves specialise in a make of their choice and become expert in it,, in 2016 i had all tools stolen from my transit, no sign of forced entry, and on the same night many other tool thefts from transits in the area,,

[@NerdInMotion23]

@@DaveGreeneramblingcarpenter I agree it tends to be the way.

[@learigg]

Another use for the Peugeot is to repair crash damaged car, I was speaking to the owner of a car repair facilty and he had rented a very large storage facility to store cars waiting for parts.

[@gordonmac3616]

3 metre wall, perimeter motion detectors and alarms linked to a security company, full CCTV cover, two trained hybrid GSD wolfdogs. If all else fails there's the FN-FAL which presents a disposal problem.

[@stevezodiac491]

Take security into your own hands. I have an expensive camper van that would be a target but i have not left it to the car's own immobiliser and deadlocks to keep it from being stolen. Security layers, is the best way to proceed, to reduce the chances, markedly of your vehicle being stolen. It is a hassle to use these devices but it is a much greater hassle, the vehicle being stolen. On my van, i use :- A full diameter steering wheel metal cover lock. A clutch lock. A tracker. An under the facia bear lock, locking the gears in reverse. A driveway alarm, with a p.i.r. pointing at the driver's seat communicating with an alarmed receiver, placed next to me in the living room or moved next to my bed at night. A faraday pouch for the keys. Keys taken to bed with me and not left downstairs at night or near the front or back or patio doors ever. Full CCTV coverage of the whole house and drive. And lastly a large sporting, manual instructional instrument.

[@NerdInMotion23]

I liked the last layer 😂

[@colinlacey9993]

If swivel seats in camper van , turn to face inwards then a lock of some sort.

[@bobbyshankit]

I took the fuse out to disable keyless entry although its such a struggle having to press a button on the fob to open me car🙄 keyless entry although convenient is not needed, I also fitted a ghost system for extra security, just gotta make it a PITA for them to try take it away to the point they move onto an easier target, the manufacturers should take more responsibility and be accountable for the inadequate security of their products

[@NerdInMotion23]

The ghost system seems excellent. I agree the manufacturers are just not doing enough and are totally underestimating the level of IQ the car thief has.

[@wrongmark]

From my research, it’s as good as the installation. I would imagine the thieves are getting pretty good at finding them now.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

At 5:00 I see these new cars are ridiculously over complicated. The only ECU needed is the fuel injection and perhaps central locking, add a radio and we are back in the glorious 1980/90s, when cars worked perfectly well.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Those were the days!

[@smd-tech]

You didnt need a bluetooth speaker to steal an 80s car, you could use the handle of a spoon, or just refit the hazard light switch backwards. Rose tinted specs. Remember what it became like to insure anything remotely sporty?

[@NerdInMotion23]

@@smd-tech True enough. Insurance went mental didn't it. Anything with a GT or XR was uninsurable. 😂

[@jonathanellis1842]

I had a proper Mini in the 1990s. I put a switch on the battery in the boot (one that racing cars used). That type of ghetto immobiliser is the best as they have no idea what you have done. I have seen people removing rotor arms in the days before electronic contactless ignition, fitting fuel line taps painted black under the car so "no fuel no go". How you do this today is a problem as cars have too many systems that you cannot just shut off to prevent access and drive away.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@jonathanellis1842 In old cars I used to have a switch across the tacho to ground. The tacho came straight from the points, it was neat as the engine always tried to start - but never did.

[@thehomelessproject3784]

How they figured out the speaker could be used to steal a range rover... I mean, who are we dealing with here ? Some sort of James Bond villain ? That's crazy 🤯

[@johnnyhock]

I remember buying an immobiliser from Halfords back in the late 80’s for my 2.0L S Capri 😂 It had to be wired to the battery, coil, alternator and starter motor and a small keypad fitted to the dash. The car would not start until you turned the ignition on with the key and then punch in a 6 figure code number ( of your own choice on setting up ) It was so high tech at the time and impossible to bypass !

[@silversubaru590]

i used to take the ht lead of my 3.0 capri.

[@devonbikefilms]

Like a modern Tesla’s pin to drive setup.

[@stevegill9704]

That's funny my old capri didn't have an immobiliser and it still wouldn't start

[@alanplummer9702]

Only just bought my RR, I use a Faraday Wallet, a steering wheel lock and a Ghost immobiliser. Plus when I lock the car I press the lock again after inside three seconds for the second level lock, all of this I do, and I believe that you are saying they can still take my car. Anything that you can do I would be interested in.

[@esecallum]

you only bought to inflate you ego and to rub the peasants nose in it and to be a bully boy on the road.right? RIGHT? ADMIT IT.

[@Someone2gooification]

Check your manual because that second press so soon could be disabling the interior movement sensors. It does on mine but it might be region specific

[@MySupercarLife]

You are correct. Double locking (You'll get a delayed second beep and the mirrors pause when folding in) disables the interior handles as it deadlocks the doors. Basically if someone breaks the window (commonly the rear as the front are double glazed) then pulling the inside door handle won't open the door. Also turn your keyless entry off, which should help to avoid 'relay' theft as you have to physically press the button on the key to open the car.

[@esecallum]

@@MySupercarLife or simply put a password on the fancy touchscreen dash board. It's very simple and cheap. Just like cellphones costing $20

[@rockymount2393]

I knew someone who had an old mint condition Mini who put a hidden valve in the fuel line, so just enough fuel left in the SU Carb to drive 1/4 mile down the road before it cut out. I had a Sierra Sapphire in the 90''s and use to remove the Rotor Arm and put the Distributor Cap back on , when i parked up etc. Obviously, not able tondo that with the current electronic everything systems.

[@richardgrimbleby7853]

I haven't got a range rover and i hear so much stuff abt why they are a bag of shite So why are they being stolen so much If you own one it must be a blessing if its nicked Claim on ur insurance and get a fragment of what you paid for it not a total loss Simples

[@SGSAutomotive]

Turn off keyless entry. It’s easy to do. Ghost Immobiliser. Tracker. It’s al you can do

[@guss2099]

They are all interconnected. Once I disconnected the radio on my old RRL322 and the freaking thing would not turn on again. Took a few days to figure everything out instead of paying a shop to do it, but finally worked. Still, my one had a key, the keyless ones are even worse!

[@NerdInMotion23]

Yeah I remember the systems coming in and people were fitting new head units and then cars were getting engine check lights on.

[@pinball8701]

Increase your security with bollards on your drive, stoplock on the steering wheel, CCTV, security lights. Oh, and don't buy cars known to be easily stolen! I have a classic RR (1977 Silver Shadow II), which ironically is harder to steal than a brand new one, LOL. I also added a battery isolator switch so the car is electrically dead, but I appreciate this would be challenging to do on a newer vehicle. And finally, obviously install a secure gate and garage the car if you are able to. Not rocket science, but people don't do the above! We live in a predatory society nowadays- protect yourself.

[@andrewprettyquick2070]

The fingerprint start is pretty cool, like, if you look through the window and car is gone - next check the end of your arm.

[@markpeam8549]

Having vehicle security on the same network as everything else is about as stupid as it gets. Of course, more customer cars stolen = more new cars sold, so there's a financial disincentive for car makers to fix it.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

Had keyless entry coded to be permanently disabled on my car. They didn't want to do it at the dealership but I told them I would only buy the car with keyless entry disabled. Seen too many cars getting stolen off driveways in my area including a friend who had a hard time with the insurance claim because of it. Luckily he had CCTV and captured the thieves with their key relay device and it was a joke how easy it was to take the car.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Yep 💯on the money. Check out the video where we do a deep dive.

[@julesviolin]

My 2002 SL55 AMG has keyless. I disabled it from new because I could see the pitfalls of it ⚠️

[@schrodingerscat1863]

@@julesviolin Mine is a C43, so just like yours a magnet for theives. I was really annoyed at how reluctant they were to turn off keyless entry considering how easy it makes stealing the car. It should be an option in the car's controls that anyone can use.

[@Se7en983]

I think once they got in mine and saw the xmas tree dashboard they would leave it 😂

[@mprelectrical]

Just install a hidden kill switch in series with the start button. I've also switched off the keyless entry, it's not rocket science.

[@teeslunk]

Someone is always going to find a way to do it. They come out with new software and they just find a new way to get around it.

[@jeffgrimston4565]

As these have a touch screen for the infotainment you'd think they could copy Tesla's PIN to drive. This works well as even if the 'key' (phone or card) is physically stolen the car still isn't going anywhere.

[@bjorntheviking6745]

Esp32 at around 3$ is canbus enabled with a little bit of additional circuitry

[@ComeJesusChrist]

I’ve had well over thirty cars in the last twenty years. The oldest one was a 1983 SL Mercedes, the newest one was a 2013 E-Class estate. Not a single one was stolen. I wouldn’t touch anything older or newer than that. Cars stopped improving fifteen years ago or so. There is absolutely nothing that would make me want a newer car. When a vehicle that costs as much as a house in some parts of the UK can be stolen with a Bluetooth speaker, you know that it’s all coming down very soon. Only fools think that virtual and digital assets are tangible.

[@NerdInMotion23]

I agree. I have an E class and I love it.

[@dezent]

You did not explain how they can connect to the can bus with the speaker. Do they use the mirror?

[@NerdInMotion23]

Please see the documentary we made on it.

[@Rapscallion2009]

I'm wondering where all these RHD cars are going. Seems a bit odd to nick them from a RHD country, unless you're going to sell or use them in another RHD country. Otherwise, wouldn't it be more sensible to nick them in LHD Europe somewhere? Unless. They're just stripped for parts.

[@NerdInMotion23]

The common places dependent on type are Albania, Africa, Cyprus and warzones.

[@Rapscallion2009]

@@NerdInMotion23 Albania is LHD but the others RHD. I'm guessing also India and parts of China might be customers as they're RHD, too. Australia possibly, I suppose. Mainly I'm wondering why you'd steal RHD vehicles rather than nicking similar cars in LHD counties on the continent. The UK is extra faff as it's an island, you see. I guess the market must be RHD.

[@chrisktm2010]

They steal the UK because the police are not interested and if they do get caught all that happens is the police ask them politely not to do it again and here are your stealing tools back

[@fanfeck2844]

Yes, judging by the price I paid for a second hand wing mirror, cars are worth more in parts

[@jonctr]

Quite a while back, they used to get shipped to the Middle East (UAE etc) where there used to be some dodgy RHD to LHD backstreet conversion workshops

[@Rapscallion2009]

I think - in the final analysis - if they want your car they'll probably get it. Especially if they are willing to resort to burglary or robbery with violence to get the keys. Possibly the RR is just a particularly profitable car to target right now. It's relatively easy to steal, but if the thieves are willing to go the extra step to get the keys for anything else, that's a little academic.

[@NerdInMotion23]

You got a mention in the new video. Cheers

[@keithrushforth4019]

This is same problem that internet security systems like online banking have. The more convenient you make things for the end user, then the easier it is for the wrong people to bypass.

[@julesviolin]

All JLR needed to do was have a physical ON/OFF switch on the fobs. It's obvious the owners are too lazy to hide the fobs in a Faraday cage away from their front doors. I don't own a modern car with keyless entry but even I know what the precautions are.

[@NerdInMotion23]

That's only one weak point

[@optic1972]

The key no longer transmits when idle so leaving your keys on the side table will not allow it to be seen.

[@julesviolin]

​@@optic1972that doesn't explain how the thugs capture the signal outside yer front door?

[@optic1972]

@@julesviolin there's a security update that activates this. I would also suspect that often keys are left swinging in the lock of the house so never sleep.

[@julesviolin]

@@optic1972 yep and an on off switch would prevent all that

[@DaleJames-d8j]

It's interesting to note that these car jackers etc are far more intelligent than the designers of these useless systems.Its ,about time the manufacturers were taken to task and pay insurance claims for vehicles being stolen!

[@alihenderson5910]

Remember when IT companies or various security agencies would actually employ convicted criminal hackers and use their knowledge to make their systems more secure.

[@jayaybe1]

Actually the contrary is true. They're usually low IQ types completely unable to earn enough money legally to buy one for themselves.

[@adrianlivesey4375]

for the last 10 years, we have had folding door mirrors set to fold on lock, you always know your car is locked

[@TerryLawrence001]

The only security that can be considered useful is a device that is not part of the production model and is not standard to the off the shelf security devices.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Yes but they also need to not end up popular as people will find work arounds.

[@jeffwatts4264]

the car manufacturers have no incentive to stop cars getting stolen , they get to sell another one !

[@NerdInMotion23]

The way it's going though no one will be able to insure them.

[@MD_ENTERTAINMENT]

I always wondered why they didn't put a button on the keys to turn the keys on and off whenever you are not using them, stopping any signal from the keys

[@philipschoeman2434]

When data is sent on a normal network via TCP, it is often encrypted with SSL. HTTPS with other words. In the end they will have to add encryption to the network in the car. Every ECU should be configured with a certificate that differs between cars. The certificate only available from the manufacturer after proving ownership of the car, or on a USB drive when you buy the car. Only data used for diagnostics should be unencrypted.

[@Adam-oy1vp]

My daughters Evoke was stolen 15 December 23. Het car had the advanced anti theft

[@laurence9618]

would this affect the ghost immobilizers in theory also - it works from the canbus system also

[@stevebishop1161]

I’ve gone old school on my keyless car. I’ve got an hidden kill switch. Try and find that with your canbus laptop Bluetooth fuckery 😂💪

[@NerdInMotion23]

Legendary 👍🏻

[@arlrb76]

2000: in the future, technology will make cars unstealable. 2023: 😂

[@larryjimbob]

Jaguar Land Rover..... What if the electronic key and the vehicle spoke to each other on the last engine shutdown with a random coded signal as well as its usual code to unlock. Perhaps it could be by contact with the door and key, to issue the second random code, cutting out a completely remote attack.

[@NerdInMotion23]

The key is on a rolling code. It's the way the tool works by overwhelming the control module.

[@Phantom-mk4kp]

This new method of standing by your front door to overcome keyless entry, is using the communication of the original key. It's just effectively extending the range. So a rolling code is still overcome.

[@larryjimbob]

But if it also needs contact? Can't be completely remotely done.

[@ianstokes-c6i]

in the 80s i did a good trade in total electric hidden kill devices to kill low / high tension wire loom no starter no dash nothing , police knew when one of my custoners cars found 100 yards away from the owners house no insurance call needed , knock on door let owner know move ur car and all police allways said its right infront of us wow we never would have guessed that!

[@IanHallett-t2h]

The manufacturers should pay the insurance companies for their inept design.

[@karlkuttup]

my uncle had a scrapyard,he would collect bmw mercs parts stick them in a shipping container and send it to jamicia in the 90s and nigeria ,i knew 3 brothers who used to steal nissian skylines, scubies and porches and discos ,have them stripped in 25mins,they were fast.got busted after 5 years of them doing it if its manmade it can be stolen sad to say

[@Crosshatch1212]

You’re surprised at this lol I’m not a thief but I do this for fun when I go out or come across a freind with new car with new system ,You wouldn’t beilieve some off the crazy ways you can get in to cars and stat them up ,Or even just turn them on lights n all .Old usb .aluminium foil old blue tooth key or most remote car keys .Cars are less secure now than ever .I tried putting videos up off some off my finds .But they get taken down quite quickly .there’s an expensive car you can get in to start drive with an old rewritten blue tooth phone with a acc .

[@seanwhite405]

I bought one 2 weeks ago, couldn’t get insured for less that 3k, I’m 50, 10 years no claims and car parked on drive with full Cctv. Cancelled order it’s ridiculous

[@AtomicExtremophile]

Having the key continuously transmitting is madness! I've thought for a while that keys could be programmed for fingerprint recognition - like old iPhones, so that the car owner has to 1) press the key to transmit the signal and 2) the key doesn't transmit if the fingerprint doesn't match... surely this would improve security?

[@schrodingerscat1863]

No the key is constantly listening for the car. The car transmits and the key receives that signal and then transmits the entry code. The signal the car transmits is very weak so normally the key has to be next to the car but thieves just built signal boosters that fool the key into thinking it is near the car.

[@matthewspry4217]

The key is stupid it will say "HELLO HOW ARE YOU" to anything that it thinks is your car 😂😂😂

[@schrodingerscat1863]

@@matthewspry4217 There is some reasonably high end cryptography involved which is why cloning a key is near impossible but using a signal boosting relay is a very easy way to make the key and the car think they are right next to each other. How the people responsible for this never thought about signal relays baffles me. This is also how skimmers work with tap to pay cards and devices.

[@Eatcrow]

It then gives your fingerprint data to a car manufacturer which would be a date security breach

[@dandieman7470]

Thanks for explaining this my friend. I haven't got a Range Rover but I've always wanted one and I am going to get one tonight, well tomorrow morning really, about 3am,,, 😆🤣

[@NerdInMotion23]

Glad I could help

[@ianflint4610]

While there is no encryption and authentication on the CANbus cars will be susceptible to injection of nefarious messages by one means or another. It is impossible to protect the whole of the CANbus itself. Authentication at the key is insufficient - that is at the edge of the network - the modules themselves have to embed security at the data transport and application layers (at least between critical functions). Basic comms security in open networks.

[@petemulhearn7787]

I wonder if an easily removeable module with a unique encryption code would be a possible answer. The encryption code would be needed to activate any part of the car's electronic systems and attempts to defeat it would wipe the software or destroy part of the chippery. Back in the days when my cars had no electronics I used to remove the rotor arm from the distributor when parking overnight. For short term parking I put a switch in the low voltage side of the coil and stuffed it into the cable loom under the dashboard. If anyone attempted to hot wire the car the engine would turn over but would never start.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Essentially that is what modern keys are supposed to do.

[@petemulhearn7787]

@@NerdInMotion23 That's what they are supposed to do but they don't do it because the "password" can be remotely cloned. Good security requires at least 2 of these 3 factors: something you have (fob) something you are (e.g fingerprint) or something you know (e.g. PIN) These are used to produce a pseudo random, time dependent code to unlock the car's system.

[@dunglass1]

Fascinating video. Thank you !

[@NerdInMotion23]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@martinwebster5881]

There’s a lot to be said for the old hidden switch trick.

[@BrianFraser]

Seen one exploit with Alfa Romeo where the front radar detector is unclipped and the thieves connect their gadgets to that cable an open the car. Theres a physical plate for sale that blocks that access and can only be accessed by removing more bodywork. Also the other big speight of thefts are BMW Steering wheels - Worth watching some videos to see how steering locks dont help :( But also a company has been able to modify the ECU so you can't just drive away without pressing a sequence of buttons. I would happily forsake the lazy convenience of keyless entry for entering a pin or pressing a sequence of buttons.

[@wrongmark]

It’s not a modified ECU, it’s an aftermarket device that won’t allow engine start without a programmable sequence of button presses. Works on the same CAN systems that this video talks about. If they can find the device, they remove it and they’re away.

[@ashleyballester9053]

The recall just blocks new keys been directly coded to the bcm.

[@Imw101]

1. Sit in car 2. Close door 3. Press headlight button on fob 4 Press Unlock button x 3 Keyless disabled

[@NerdInMotion23]

Great but this will not stop it getting stolen.

[@davc73]

Wrong. You press the headlight button 3 times and the unlock button once.

[@BEERNUTS249]

I wonder what method they used to steal the three cars after the new security updates, relay method??

[@mickl8212]

So the can bus system is basically like ethernet switches?

[@NerdInMotion23]

Exactly. Some even run fibre optic in the same way.

[@Rapscallion2009]

And I'll give you 3 guesses what the 'N' stands for....

[@isyt1]

I believe you’re mistaken about the jbl speaker. It’s basically been rewritten to be a CAN bus programmer and it does this by you connecting it to the wiring loom. It doesn’t actually use Bluetooth

[@NerdInMotion23]

Ok cool thanks for the information

[@richo7751]

Interesting watch. Could bio-metric be used as a separate tool to unscramble a security system to in turn then unlock access to cars ECU's/other systems? Imagine unlocking a car conventionally, but nothing happens without secondary biometric confirmation from either phone/on board cam. We trust the tech for tap and go payments, why not this.

[@pkuudsk9927]

It's as simple as pulling the fuel pump fuse to stop your car being stolen. No thief is going to piss around with a car that won't start. Or Install a switch hidden that interrupts the fuel pump fuse until they come up with a better system that will be defeated in days. This whole security system is a joke to thieves, they live for this it just a game to them.

[@neutralcorner5950]

See how Toyota/Lexus are being taken easily via the headlight via the wheel arch, is it just SUV’s by this method? As in they have easier access to the wheel arch. I have a Corolla GR Sport and there doesn’t look like there would be enough space to get to the wheel arch/pull it down.

[@NerdInMotion23]

You know I never expected this video to do so well. I think today I'll make a video going through some of these questions as I think it's worth taking a deeper dive. Thanks for commenting.

[@neutralcorner5950]

@@NerdInMotion23 Thank you for the reply. It’s a general hot topic just now. Yes that would be helpful to do a video on these points 👍🏻

[@marxman00]

All car ferries can overide car alarm systems ..how do they do that?

[@NerdInMotion23]

I've not heard of that I'll do some digging. I recently went on a ferry and loads of car alarms were going off.

[@benmills3661]

I have heard good things about ghost alarms

[@sydneypauley3187]

What do you think about obd blocker

[@mrcogginsgarage7062]

All very well and good disrupting the power feed to the fuel pump as an anti theft device but they will find or bypass it quickly. Now if on the other hand you were to bring the high speed can network to ground that would put a stop to it good luck bypassing that little bugger.....

[@tyranic1]

I have a keyless vw golf r and they get stolen a lot, i turn off the keyless scanning every time I lock the car. There's an alarm/immobiliser and tracker fitted and fortunately there's a big dog in the house. It's still parked on my drive every night for the last 18 months. The insurance has tripled due to me living in a major city and the insurance companies don't care what you've got fitted. What will kick manufacturer's into action is a mass civil law suit stating the cars ain't fit for purpose, it's down to them and nobody else. We don't stick together and this is a price we pay. I hear thief's are paid 2k for each range rover or other prestige car they steal and some get quite a few in one night. Police officers say they like to operate between 3.30am to 4.00am that was always the time period my alarm use to go off the first six months of ownership. They seem to given up as the alarm doesn't go of anymore.

[@HuntsChris]

Encrypted can-bus will be the next evolution.

[@rabsrealm]

This is the price we pay for the convenience of being soooooo f***ing lazy that we can't even be arsed using a key to unlock a door. The simple alternative is to keep your fob in a faraday pouch.

[@yuglesstube]

So these large manufacturers failed to test their cars properly during development.

[@peterolley7159]

Just hide a switch and run it the starter relay ?

[@johnshaw8013]

Can't beat a good old disc-lock! Tea Leaves don't like them as you need some fairly conspicuous hand and power tools! AND TIME!

[@johnweir8936]

Unfortunately not the case now, the locks can be picked in under 8 seconds .

[@johnshaw8013]

@johnweir8936 Might have to upgrade the lock barrel on mine then 👍

[@1sostatic]

So glad my cars dont have CAN/LIN/Flex and any lines of code. ...I'm ex JLR vehicle dev and manu. I got so exhasperated with pointless complexity and the bloat of trash products in modern cars that tries to satisfy everyone and in turn only satisfies only a few. As for security... Fitting your own kill switch in a place only known to you that operates with something only you have, is one of the best security tactics against the scumbags. Of course that is easier on older cars.

[@NerdInMotion23]

I think the powers that be would love to keep pushing us towards new cars though.

[@wastedrainbow1814]

Unfortunately they get their scanners etc from eastern European and russian websites ....6k for a relay kit .... Gsm trackers are useless can use a bug detector to find them and a gam blocker for a few hundred .... Gst a ghost or a can phantom fitted asap on any keyless car .....driveway bollards if possible Maybe do a video on the range rover emergency stsrt module that is being used now ....

[@156dave]

I presume the Software Engineers at JLR like to earn a bit extra contracting outside IR35 of course

[@NerdInMotion23]

Who knows but I'm pretty sure they'd be bound by NDA's.

[@coletorrens1121]

There is so much more at play here, Lots of RR's are stolen for parts as they are so unreliable there is a huge market, Everything from engines to headlights are so massively valuable, Also lots of broken cars are "stolen" as parts are not readily available.The biggest factor is whereas the cops will move heaven and earth to nick a shoplifter whose lifted a Mars bas from Sainsbury's, they wont turn out for a 100k Range Rover. Even if its tracked and you tell them where it is!I If a thief wants your car he WILL get it, No matter whats done to it. Visible deterrents though often mean they by pass your car and move on to another.

[@leelee9788]

As a life long landy owner these new ones are just turds rolled in vanity glitter.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Ha ha 😂 that's the best description ever. You win the internet today 👍🏻

[@wrongmark]

I often call them posh handbags with wheels.

[@MissNatalie55555]

Would an old fashioned stop lock on your steering wheel help or hiding an air tag in your car? Just a suggestion. I have stoplocks on my cars.

[@NerdInMotion23]

Have a watch of the interview with the OBD company it may help.

[@Prof.Polymath]

Just take your battery leads off, remove a fuse, or pull a plug lead off. None of these idiots will be able to steal a car that doesn’t just start up and drive away.

[@TWW-zk9gw]

Nice idea but most people with even basic understanding of mechanics couldn't do it. If you look in a range rover Evoque engine bay it's just chunks of plastic and metal. You can't even see the battery. Keeping my 80 series on standby for rainy days. Noisy, thirsty but reliable, uncomplicated and no Albanian gangster wants a 30 year old truck.

[@NerdInMotion23]

I have a friend and she has an Evoque and wouldn't even open her bonnet at the risk of breaking a nail.

[@kirk1907]

Bring back the distributer cap and you could remove the rotor arm.