Rank 300 vs Rank 1 (96% Winrate) TopSpin 2K25 Player vs Player Gameplay | World Tour

[@MoreAyReef]

What do you think of the handcam? Useful or useless? Helpful or distracting? Too big or too small or just right? Should I move it to the top right or keep it where it is? Any thoughts would be great! Next vid I have the cam in the top-right, we'll see how that goes. Thanks for watching!

[@francescobuonaiuto9062]

Top right is better but i prefer no cam honestly

[@MoreAyReef]

@@francescobuonaiuto9062 Thanks for your input!

[@JoaoB23]

No cam to be honest... its some fast that i personally don't take nothing out of it. But nice try

[@MoreAyReef]

@@JoaoB23 Thanks, makes sense! I’ve made my next vid already which does have the hand cam in the top right. I’m thinking it won’t necessarily be a bad thing to keep since nothing happens in the top anyways and worst case scenario, it has a neutral effect for the viewer. But we shall see!

[@DrunkGaz]

Great tennis played there, pity he always serves out wide it’s a bit of a loser tactic.

[@guckermann]

Hey, nice game man! Do you play mainly controlled or powershots? And more topspin or flat ones?

[@Jaydee71172]

Wide serving is such a loser tactic. It’s been the problem with any online tennis games. The moment someone walks to the corner I lose all respect for them.

[@usurptom]

As long as they are not cheating, you can't really blame them if it's a part of the game. A 30 serve rating just needs to be nerfed accuracy wise and also to not be affected by power rating as much. Until then these competitive players are not at fault. It's always a part of competition to find most effective ways to win. Even when they nerf a low serve rating, these particular players are very good at controlled shots so they will still be hard to beat.

[@MoreAyReef]

The devs of the game are first to blame for the state of the game for sure, but players who all play the same way deserve some of the blame as well. I agree that those who use control shots will be tough to beat regardless, but a large majority of players power shot most of the time. Hence why a lot of the top players have 95+ power. I may make a video about the state of the game because even writing about it just irks me because how has it been over 2 months and the same main issues are still prevalent. It is crazy to think haha.

[@justdroppingby7383]

So a real life tennis tactic in a tennis game upsets you

[@MoreAyReef]

@@justdroppingby7383 it’s not a real life tactic though since they’re working on patching it. No one moves to the corner in a singles match irl because you just get crushed with a down the line serve. Also, a less than 100 mph wide serving slice first serve is definitely not a real life tactic. Flat serving out wide is, but no one aims for the singles line on the side irl. At most it’s the corner of the service box. In the game, they aim for the side which is unrealistic to do consistently.

[@arenni13]

I use control shots quite a lot, most of them perfect and even worked through coaches to get shot counter. You simply can not do anything against these power meta characters regardless. Serena and Sharapova in the 2k tour for example just blast winners off a perfect control shot even with a too late or too early shot whilst on the run with zero stamina. Its ridiculous.😂 Unlike topspin 4, there is no reward for skilled players using tactics, control shots, defensive and excellent shot choice. Game is flawed and unbalanced in terms of power and precision stats combined. Topspin 4 had none of these problems and the serve was perfect. Why change it too this ridiculous set up. My fix, cap the power level and precision when power is max'd at perhaps 85, if so precision can only be 70 +/- 5. If you contiuously use power shots you make more mistakes partuicuarly if no investment in reflexes. Precision should also be capped at 80 forehand and backhand if you make them equal, +5 perhaps if you want one wing stronger than the other eg. 85 forehand 75 backhand is max combination. If you chose to have this then your max power is capped accordingly. My reasoning is Agassi, his precision is ridiculous (in the game) as players exploit them by hitting ridiculous angles that do not exist in tennis and if they were hit the would be blasted away by even mediocre players. But in this game, even with heavy power, you cant hit past those shots with power. You need to get into a side to side short angle / drop shot battle which is exhausting and ridiculously boring and unrealistic. The stats across many levels are too high, particularly when the reach 85+ but particularly 90s. Its only opinion and sure its complicated in terms of development and numbers etc but they got the game this far, just fix the skills and attribute numbers. Then theres the added fact of players boosting and cheating. I get its a game but its so damn annoying! 😂😂

[@infamouskram]

U getting perfect timing on pretty much every shot is beyond me

[@dangerdave888]

Hey man, such a cool video. Thanks so much. I wanted to know with the advanced serve, I see you prep the direction very quickly and VERY easily....once you put it in either corner, is there a way to lock it in that position or are you constantly holding the correct pressure to keep it in that position? If any of this makes sense haha. I play on a PS5. the direction button for the serve is SO sensitive.

[@MoreAyReef]

Thank you! Good question. No, you can't lock it into place. I'm just holding it at that position. Yeah, it took me a while to get used to it, but after enough practice, it should get better!

[@dangerdave888]

@@MoreAyReef I dont know if its because its a PS5... feels impossible to control... it is so sensitive haha. I hope it gets easier... its actually so sensitive I find it is impossible to keep it in one position.

[@Jaydee71172]

Respect man, for trying to play fairly in a game full of people using unfair tactics. 👍

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks! I try, haha. Don't get me wrong, I used to play that way just to win games easily, but I soon realized it is just not fun to play that way over and over. Also, it's not fun to watch and I want my games to be somewhat entertaining, even if I lose.

[@Jaydee71172]

@@MoreAyReef Hey I understand. You gotta do what you gotta do. Wish they could come up with something within the game to combat it. Keep up the good work.

[@MoreAyReef]

@@Jaydee71172 100%. Hopefully they will fix it soon!

[@karunkanth2607]

Bro! What is the internet speed you use? I use 500mbps and I am getting so much lag. I play from India. Any suggestions? Please bro

[@gamingartist1376]

Crazy match but was entertaining good stuff this game ligit hard online to many meta try hards kills the fun.

[@zFrostbiiTez]

Good first set 4:1 up in the tiebreak, maybe choked a bit but he also played well. Good match against this player, i played this player before and lost similar.

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks, yeah he did play well which made it tougher.

[@stuartrobertson5062]

This was really fun to watch, I have never played a Tennis sim game is 2k25 the only option?

[@MoreAyReef]

@@stuartrobertson5062 Thank you!! This game isn’t the only option, but it’s definitely by far the best option on console. On pc, there is one called Full Ace Simulator which I think is a little better in terms of a real life tennis simulation, but graphics lack a bit and content wise is not great either. Also, you need a mod to make the game really shine. But yeah, these two are the best imo.

[@stuartrobertson5062]

@@MoreAyReef Thanks I'll check it out.

[@hford386348]

Hello,when you respect your player, the fittings still remain ,is there a way to delete the fittings?

[@MoreAyReef]

I'm not sure. Maybe you can delete the fittings first and then reset the stats?

[@usurptom]

good game. both of you are good. as a new player i understand there are complaints of these meta builds online but you can't be mad at them for wide serves if the game allows such speed and accuracy with a 30 rating, of course they will utilize it since it's ranked play. i agree a low serve rating should be slightly nerfed in accuracy and power, but otherwise these top rankers including yourself are very good at controlled shot timings especially when ball is coming back at high speed. the window is very quick and precise.

[@MoreAyReef]

Thank you! I agree that the game allows it and until it is fixed, these players are more than welcome to do whatever they can to win. However, I don't necessarily think that players shouldn't have any blame for the state of the game. It is technically ranked play, but it's not really a competitive mode at all since you don't really get anything for having a higher rank, besides having a higher rank. Not only that but they don't base your rank off your record, but mainly how much you have played. Also, if it was really ranked, they wouldn't be matching up top 100s with say rank 7000, which is something that often happens. There is no alternative mode that is casual created player vs created player, so world tour isn't competitive or casual, but just a game mode for created players. There should be some level of dignity that a player has while playing, because there aren't any real stakes from each World Tour game. If you're playing like the Wimbledon esports event and the game allows you do it, then sure, go ahead, but in World Tour, I feel like there should be some more respect between players. But yeah, the devs are the #1 reason why this game isn't as good as it can be. The see that gameplay is repetitive due to high power and wide serving, yet do nothing about it. Just make the circle for 30 serve the entire size of the service box. That way if you want serves to be accurate, you'll need to sacrifice one of the other stats.

[@usurptom]

@@MoreAyReef I think it's really only the serve issue that needs to be addressed mainly and it would be a strong game, otherwise I have no issue with players using high power during rallies as it's quite normal in tennis and no one should be nerfed for having great timing skills and high power attributes, perhaps a slight nerf on power speed might help but again these top players can't change the speed of their shots, it's an executed control and the speed is simply determined by their power rating. I would decide not to nerf speed from a high power shot as it looks realistic currently. If it's any slower than what a 100 power rating currently looks like in a rally (not talking about serve state) then it would be unrealistically slow IMO SBMM or rank based matchmaking would be nice as an option perhaps but that's secondary. At the very least this is the most realistic tennis game out (2K is very good at sports gameplay among the rest). I've played one other and have seen gameplay videos of all the other ones and they are very clunky.

[@MoreAyReef]

@@usurptom Yeah, gameplay wise it is still the best console game by a long shot

[@senordiegofc]

How do people hit the ball so hard, is there an input I’m missing? Even when just playing with the authentic players, I do a flat power shot (holding A) with perfect timing and it is never as hard as some people hit?

[@MoreAyReef]

@@senordiegofc This may be a stupid question but do you hold A fully until the red circle shows up? That means full power. If it still doesn’t feel fast, it may just be that the power attribute of the player you’re using isn’t high like some of these created pros that have 95+

[@Lesfrereschimistes]

This french guy is too strong ! Well beaten

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks. Yeah, he is good. Although a bit of a cheeser lol

[@Lesfrereschimistes]

@@MoreAyReef what do you mean by cheeser ?

[@MoreAyReef]

@@Lesfrereschimistes Just using easy tactics to win, that aren't really tennis moves. But it's all good! A lot of what he does takes skill like those angled control shots.

[@Lesfrereschimistes]

@@MoreAyReef hmmm i don't think so, it's not an easy tactic to find all time the same area in his service, in addition, it could be used by favoring well-abused angles if he went to the corner. I agree that it doesn't look like real tennis, but you shouldn't minimize the level of your opponent, he is very strong. It’s more the quality of your service returns that you need to work on!

[@MoreAyReef]

@@Lesfrereschimistes I'm not minimizing his skill because he is number 1 for a reason. But that wide serve is an easy 1-2 combo tactic. That is why everyone does it. They are working on fixing it for a reason. Returning those serves is easier said than done!

[@tamerkutlu8200]

How does the target sign appear when serving ??

[@matyuuu]

Serve with stick

[@HankHell41]

This level of play is just insane

[@MoreAyReef]

@@HankHell41 Yeah, he was crazy

[@LUUWILL]

how does ur player have attributes over 70? when i switch coaches i lose my attributes over 70 please help

[@MoreAyReef]

You'll need to max out your new coach and use fittings in order to get your attributes over 70 again.

[@LUUWILL]

@@MoreAyReef But how does the fittings get your attributes over 90 in many skill columns ??

[@LUUWILL]

@@MoreAyReef When i change coaches i lose my 93 power

[@MoreAyReef]

@@LUUWILL Some fittings are better than others. Just play around with them and see. You lose your power since your new coach isn’t upgraded. You’ll have to see what attributes the coaches actually increase and then do the tasks associated with them

[@dwnxx4974]

You really need to walk back back more when they’re wide serving. You’ll always get it when they hit it on the other side. They’ll adapt and try to screw you over by dropping it short but in my experience you run faster running up the net than across the court so you’ll awaits hit that shot too.

[@MoreAyReef]

Walk back more like stand further back? I'm afraid I'll be getting to the ball later when it is further off the court which is why I don't do that. Or does it give me more time to recover after I return it? I'll try it out!

[@FrontDoorPLZ]

how do you use wide serve reef?

[@MoreAyReef]

If you’re on Xbox, hold X and aim towards the side of the service box! If not on Xbox, then whatever the slice serve button is. This only works on the deuce court side (if you’re right handed) and ad court side (if you’re left handed)

[@FrontDoorPLZ]

@@MoreAyReef appreciate u man been trying to figure this out lol

[@FrontDoorPLZ]

i struggle with every top player because i can't do anything on their serve

[@MoreAyReef]

Returning is definitely the toughest part of the game

[@falzixhd6874]

To be honest a 96% winrate feels more like cheating than a matter of skills, if you want to get many subs and succeed I highly recommend to share ur dirty tricks and cheats and perhaps show a controller recording, not a camera at 14fps. Never heard an esport in my life with a player with 96% winrate without naughty tricks.

[@MoreAyReef]

@@falzixhd6874 Are you talking about me or the other person? He has the 96% win rate, not me

[@Julz--93]

Also lost to this guy. He smoked me. I spoke to one of the top players and he said speed doesn’t do anything for side to side movement across the baseline, it’s only for vertical movements. I’ve dropped my speed rating and haven’t noticed a difference. Could save yourself some points

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks! I’ve made a new build where I have dropped speed into the 70s and increased reflexes to 88. Let’s see if that helps out.

[@Julz--93]

@@MoreAyReef Cool. Yeah the guy was ranked 20 something and his speed was only 42! Could even drop further but see how you go.

[@MoreAyReef]

@@Julz--93 42 is crazy!! Yeah, that makes sense though. There have been so many times where I thought I hit a winner and they somehow catch up to it even with like 50-60 speed

[@TkrzTT]

@@MoreAyReef Can you share that build with me plz

[@JogaBonitoCFTV]

Developers have ruined this game through power shots only mattering, but the community in any competitive games are the worst. This is why i only play single player games.

[@MoreAyReef]

@@JogaBonitoCFTV hopefully the patch tomorrow will be good!

[@JogaBonitoCFTV]

@@MoreAyReef I wouldn't hold your breath. All sports games are awful, I'll have to see how the patch is tomorrow.

[@glens1800]

Them wide serves need a nerf

[@MoreAyReef]

They just got nerfed!

[@arenni13]

I genuinely believe these top ranked players, at least some of them are bots, or boosters. Some of the shots and movement are literally impossible and too have perfect shots 100% of the time whilst running with no stamina and max power is impossible. Also if you pay close attention to some of the top ranked stats, they simply do not add up. For example recently the no.1 ranked player on the 2k tour settings showed break points converted 4%, held serve 24%, highest rank player defeated 3000 approx. They had almost 50 50 win loss record and were ahead by almost 1000 ranking points. These all seem highly suspicious and unlikely. The game is undoubtedly cheating us and people have hacked into it or purchased augmentation packs. Well played though, you are very good. Its unfortunate we cant just pick who we want too match up against as there is cheats in this game spoiling it. Most recently I have had some success against these meta players and fake out wide serve power robots by using Sampras and mixing baseline play up with serve and volley but its mindboringly dumb and frustrating the point the game is no longer fun. ❤

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks! Yeah, I do think there are cheaters in the game. I’ve seen players who have very low attributes in all categories, yet hit like 130 mph serves. It’s wild.

[@karunkanth2607]

Tough Luck bro. Well played. I love topspin. Started playing 2k25. Plz support me also @Laziedadgaming

[@MoreAyReef]

Thanks! Yeah, it is a fun game