Ranking All Ammo Types In Fallout New Vegas

[@cat-meowhood]

No one gives you enough credit for the nice tierlist names you have been doing through the series, we appreciate it.

[@ThommyofThenn]

I noticed and liked them too but i would not have thought to comment about it. Thanks for posting cause now I can also express appreciation too. I wonder what sidegrade means though? I can understand all the others but not that one. I assume it's along the lines of "high grade/low grade," then a weaker round or a round that damages your weapons more would be "side grade?"

[@drfoust1294]

I fully agree with you

[@baker90338]

@@ThommyofThenn sidegrade means that an item is situationally superior to the original.

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@baker90338 thank you bro!!!

[@porkchop8500]

It was so stupid how they removed ammo variety from Fallout 4.

[@plaguedoctorjeff857]

Every current implementation through mods feels really jank too, it doesnt have the ease of use that fnv has

[@plaguedoctorjeff857]

@user-zn9ke8um8s I dont personally feel that sentiment, but that's because I got a good viva new vegas base modlist that fixes most if not all issues I have. Your opinion is still 100% valid though since vanilla is unplayable for basically everyone.

[@GravitonAllNightLong]

​@@plaguedoctorjeff857I just want another fallout set in the west, it's such a good setting

[@plaguedoctorjeff857]

@@GravitonAllNightLong I 100% agree with that, west coast Fallout games have been absolutely phenomenal

[@joshuakim5240]

And in 76. Why does a gun need a whole ass different receiver just to shoot the same ammo of a different type, when the easier solution is to just have the same gun switch between the different ammo types? Much clunkier to hold 4 of the same guns with different receivers than one gun with 4 different ammo types to swap around on a whim.

[@sekitoangel7878]

I kinda like use .50 Incendiary in a Anti material rifle I put on Boone so he basically has a marking round so I know what he's shooting at so I can focus a different enemy.

[@tylerironside8109]

Damn, that's actually a genius way to utilize those rounds.

[@jordan8086]

Goddamn that’s so clever

[@roddydykes7053]

Man you are playing NV with 200 IQ you should be helping build rockets

[@anhluuviet5793]

He's never going to run out of tier lists at this point.

[@CBFan5000]

Max cells in the unique Gauss Rifle is one of the best wastes of ammo in the game. Literally 10 MFC a shot and worth every single one to watch an enemy's body chunks fly across the screen.

[@bgggsht]

YCS consumes 4 cells a shot though

[@CBFan5000]

@@bgggsht I was also considering it takes 5 MFC to make 2 Max MFC.

[@Yao-fz6ie]

5.56 and 5mm surplus are fantastic follower ammo. Weapons don't lose condition when used by companions, so it's more or less a straight damage upgrade in that context. Contreras at Mccarran and Quartermaster Bardon at the dam sell truckloads of the stuff, so Boone with the All American or Lily with the Avenger Minigun will never run out of ammo.

[@THEcamobackpack]

This man is making tier lists we never knew we needed

[@minkinomics3002]

The only rounds I wish were in the game is some form of 12.7mm AP. Most players probably weren't dumb enough to hunt deathclaws with a pistol, but I'm built different.

[@Myomer104]

Fortunately for that type of venture, the 5.56 Pistol/That Gun exist with 5.56 AP rounds available for them.

[@Blabimir]

Pistols are my go to for dunking on high DT enemies because of how absurd it is to do it and because I adore the cool style of pistols like That Gun and A Light Shining in Darkness. 12.7mm AP would be nice for my Survivalist's Rifle though.

[@minkinomics3002]

@@Blabimir I was trying to do it with lil devil, and the math wasn't too far off, but those second/third deathclaws were tricky.

[@Blabimir]

@@minkinomics3002 Crits are your best friend for Deathclaw hunting builds honestly, though the extra DT reduction from 5.56 AP for That Gun and 45 +P/Super for Light is really good as well. It's just a shame that 12.7 isn't as versatile even though some of the most fun and cool guns are chambered in it.

[@dragonace5177]

25:27 Coin shot also has 8 pellets, 1 above the standard 7 of magnum rounds, which makes them a little bit worse against armor, but a little better with And Stay Back.

[@parytheplatipus]

Remember, ALL weapon condition related downsides are easily counteracted by Jury rigging. And there is no reason not to have jury rigging.

[@joshuakim5240]

And weapon repair kits. Getting the code in Dead Money, getting a bunch of chips, and the daily chip generator in the bunker completely negates any and all weapon repair needs. Jury Rigging's REAL mvp effect is making armor super easy to repair, because there are a ton of rare armors that are almost impossible to make field repairs on without Jury Rigging.

[@parytheplatipus]

@@joshuakim5240 this is true, plus with all headwear being “light” armor, it’s funny to repair your power armor helmet with sunglasses and a bandanna

[@kaldel6306]

Another great way to get Legion coins is when your idolized by them you get access to loot crates by cotton wood cove. You get so many coins by looting those boxes plus it’s such a good spot for energy ammo as well. Highly recommend this tip for anyone needing ammo

[@TheBlindMarksmen]

NV ammo is like the gun modding in FO4 and i wanna see them both in the next one so bad

[@GrubbusHubbus]

There are some 4 mods that add different ammo types to guns. Granted, they use the same ammo pick-ups, but what the ammo DOES is different.

[@danin900]

I don't. All that means is a million variations of crappy Pipe guns. No thanks. I'd take the Fallout 1, 2 and NV variety over that.

[@Dom_Maretti]

I love 556 Match in That Gun so much...The spread reduction is *just* enough that you can now reliably hit headshots against moving enemies at mid range. That's actually a big deal for That Gun.

[@Pawelaslovelas]

I love your content it keeps me giving reasons to replay Fnv again with different build,roleplay etc Thx for that and i hope you have a wonderful day

[@captainrumia2607]

I'll have to double-check in game, but I believe DT is subtracted from damage before percent damage boosts (hollow points, AP damage penalty, Cowboy, etc.) are taken into account. This means that Medicine Stick, with 75 base damage, will only do 52.5 damage against Deathclaws with hollowpoints, while normal rounds will do 60. Good if you're getting crits though (it's another order of operations thing).

[@thatskeletordude5271]

Hollow Points also multiply the Targets DT, so Deathclaws would have more DT. Hollow points work better vs targets who have no DT or just have DR (example is the ever loved, cuddly and curious Cazador, and Nightkin who have increased DR)

[@captainrumia2607]

@@thatskeletordude5271 Yes. Hence why a Hollow Point, sven out of the Medicine Stick, will do less damage to a deathclaw (15 DT normally, 45 with HP) than a normal round.

[@bowaster57]

HP rounds are almost always better with crit buillds, even against arnoured targets, because your crit damage also gets the HP boost. For example, a target would need about 50DT before AP rounds started outperforming HP rounds with Pacienca (assuming you have relevant crit perks).

[@captainrumia2607]

@@bowaster57 Oh, for sure. Like I said, if you're getting a lot of criticals HP rounds are good. I feel like a lot of people underestimate them, but I really like using them. Paciencia's HP rounds will easily outdamage AP rounds on a crit against deathclaws, even without perks (210 vs around 157) The downside just isn't as negligible on high damage weapons as Reapee suggested. I ran the math, by the way. You're right about the 50 DT with Paciencia.

[@davidjacobs7465]

.308 JSP is still my most liked ammo as I really enjoy the Gobi Campaign Scout.

[@animewarrior3]

@davidjacobs7465 percienial hunting rifle for me haha. I've never liked the sniper rifles.

[@Morbidcorpse97]

Quest and location tier lists please! Most of the time I only use the standard ammo so hopefully this video will help me diversify my selection a bit

[@StevetheWizard2591]

Corrections: 1) .44 Magnum SWC also has a x3 Condition Damage multiplier, same as 45-70 SWC. 2) You absolutely can craft slug rounds for your shotguns. The recipes (understandably) have a higher lead cost than the standard rounds. 3) There is a downside to using slugs and buckshot over standard shells that's not related to the decreased number of projectiles: slugs and buckshot don't have the damage multiplier that standard shells have. 4) Coin Shot has an extra benefit you didn't mention: it has an additional projectile compared to standard rounds, meaning "And Stay Back" will proc more often.

[@benjihound993]

Great idea for a video, dude! 😄 An ammo tier list never crossed my mind. It really speaks to your knowledge of New Vegas that you keep thinking up and making such great content 😃

[@SeanSpencerNekoEspirito]

Your analysis is really great for when I want to tinker with new build ideas that I haven't tried before. Helps for maximizing the experience efficiently for new runs without wasting upgrades and watching out for glitchy talents/weapons/perks etc. Thanks dude!

[@ReapeeRon]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@bug9657]

Ron, your tier lists are great. I watch so many of them. I love Fallout and Killing Floor 2 and have binged your tier lists recently. Just wanted to give you my thanks, you doing these. I love me some tier lists.

[@Chaos1336]

Here he comes in clutch again! I am on my fourth playthrough doing an Explosive/ Guns run. I understood what each type of ammo does besides some are good for armored enemies while others are good for non armored 😆 This really helps a lot now that I know which ammo to choose in situations 😄

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks! Glad that this could help!

[@8stormy5]

The tiny tots mini-nukes are actually incredible for using indoors or up close on an explosives build. Since your DT works against each individual warhead, decent armor / DT combined with Hit the Deck means you can launch those things ludicrously close to you and they'll barely get to your health, though you'll still get instakilled if within sawed-off shotgun range. The only lingering downside is you'll get absolutely soaked in radiation by doing this.

[@animewarrior3]

Just take the perks that heal you and your limbs/give bonuses when in radiation. Viola!

[@cameronnorton5898]

I super appreciate that you have done your research and have an understanding of the subject matter before making a video about ammunition. Good stuff, Ron.

[@abriannaaguilera2123]

The AP .308 on This Machine and a scoped hunting rifle. OMG, you just rip through whatever you face, and being able to get it by the thousand at Macarren just makes it even more OP, like I only carried the AM rifle and This Machine through my playthrough because of how easy things were with the AP rounds.

[@thatskeletordude5271]

Seriously, Contreras can sell a whooping 3000+ rounds of .308, sometimes even AP rounds of those.

[@abriannaaguilera2123]

@@thatskeletordude5271 YES, it's like if you found like a whole crate of ammo at Walmart

[@lokundjoside]

I've played a lot of FNV and didn't try out a lot of the different ammos so this is super helpful!

[@DibsAtraiyu]

You on the mini nuke saying "its not practicall" on most the large explosive and morvs and im here like "I'm not here to be practicall; im here to leave a message to the Mohave"

[@radmanstan413]

The 357 JHP turns the K-9000 into a BEAST Even with the SWC in the FIDO it’s quite comparable with all the mods installed

[@Jack-mc4it]

Good work man... Love your videos! Keep up the good work man.

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks, will do!

[@whitefangs5539]

This guy just comes out with the best tier lists for my fav game

[@tvshacker]

I really enjoyed the explosive .50 cal. I recall doing some "practice runs" in quarry juction to see which were more effective/fun: YCS/186 or AMR with explosive rounds.

[@villianscrewyou]

For 556 surplus I use it in my fully modded varmint rifle. Gives a slight damage buff which helps sneak attacks and since they are so common repair is never an issue

[@jpegjared]

I’ve been looking for this exact video, thank you for uploading it. I just got back into the game and I’ve been trying to figure out which ammo is worth using, and which isn’t. I’ve been playing around with .308 AP and it’s so good

[@JoshuaJames604]

I thinks its prob just one of the mods that comes with capital punishment but in my playthrough surplus ammo comes in so handy. Not for actual use but breaking down for ammo components at the workbench

[@johncisney15]

You can load .223 into a gun chambered for 5.56 just fine, you just can't load 5.56 into a gun chambered for .223. Always buy a gun chambered in 5.56 so you can shoot both with no worries.

[@KriticalKoitus]

Weapon condition isn't really a problem, you can buy weapon repair kits for 20 Sierra Madre chips after Dead Money and you get 1,000 chips every 3 days. Raul also halves or even quarters your decay rate. My favorite way to play is an Energy Weapons crit character using Built to Destroy and exclusively Max Charge ammo after Dead Money.

[@thatskeletordude5271]

Cons: you have to play Dead Money. But it is still my fav DLC.

[@animewarrior3]

​@thatskeletordude5271 dead money is the worst dlc tho. The only good thing about it is the writing. But you can't cook with a single ingredient. All the other DLCs have great writing, and great gameplay. Dead money is just toxic clouds and proximity anxiety beeping.

[@sirmag1735]

Never stop the NV tier lists, god speed

[@Thepeepbros]

Awesome video! Can’t say it’s coming in handy because I started an unarmed run the other night 😂

[@Criticalizard1916]

Thank’s for remembering this suggestion Ron

[@timo4463]

P+ stands for overpressured which is generally more powder but just for clarification

[@justyagre6296]

I'm kinda bummed the .22 and BB didn't get some crazy loads, even if they were limited like Holy Hand Grenades

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Nuclear BB, 1 round in the entire gsme, and if you shoot an explosion 19 times larger then the fat man plays and the entier map is covered in radiation so extreme you will die if th3 blast radius doesn't

[@dcross6360]

You were right the first time. It is jacketed hollow point. No suck thing as a flat point

[@Onlybadtakes2589]

308 is my favorite, love most of the weapons that uses it and with crafting it you can endless amounts of ammo quite easily

[@i_am_ergo]

Finished a 100% run of Fallout 3 for the first time in like ten years yesterday. Man, was I missing the different ammo types. You can't put into words just how much they enrich combat and player choice, and conversely, how shallow and boring combat is without them. Great tier list, man, as always!

[@BigBoneBusiness]

Dragon's Breath for shotguns only sounds worth it if you can consistently hit multiple enemies with a single shot to apply the DOT.

[@TheBoost103]

So I might be wrong but +P doesn’t mean more powder but it means Higher pressure. On Ammo types it’s just a higher pressure built ammunition over the other rounds.

[@robertharris6092]

+p means + pressure. Which imyes is achived by more powder.

[@sanlorenzo7896]

Here I was thinking it meant “power” 😅

[@calebbarnhouse496]

​@@sanlorenzo7896i mean it has more power behind it, but again, it's accomplished due to the hogher pressure which is acomplish3d by the higher amounts of powder

[@sanlorenzo7896]

@@calebbarnhouse496 I see, thank you for the explanation. I was curious how some pistol rounds like the .45 were able to negate DT.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@sanlorenzo7896 I mean it's just basic physics, a round is just propellent, and a projectile with stuff to let them do there job, more propellent means a faster object, a heavier object means it can carry more force behind it and do more damage at the same speeds, that's why in real life .45 is actually bad against armor, it's a slow fat bullet, so when it hits armor it smashes against a lot of armor and it doesn't have the speed to break through, though that does mean it's easier to suppress as the rounds don't mind being subsonic while a 9mm losses most of it's stopping power if you use a subsonic ammo, rifles work the exact same way, larger rounds to carry more powder and a larger projectile so it can deal against armor and terrain better, +p rounds can be looked at kinda like a overclocking your gun, extra wear and tear for increased performance and faster heat build up

[@strandedshooter9686]

Back before it was patched, when you had the 50 cal incendiary rounds equipped you could go into vats, highlight an enemy come back out of vats and they would be caught on fire. Don't remember if this was ps3 or 360 specifically

[@eswizzle3893]

This is the tier list I’ve been waiting for

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I can see the value for beanbag ammo. Knocking down enemies so that you can kill them easier and quicker is pretty nice in a game like this where plenty of enemies like to charge at you (coughdeathclawscough). I'm not sure how effective that is in practice since I've never tried, but I see the point of them and if they work like I think they ought to I would put them in Sidegrade at the very least.

[@thatskeletordude5271]

I think the DT of Deathclaws stops some of the fatigue dmg from kicking in, thus requiring more shots than normal (plus creatures tend to have more fatigue than humanoids, like NCR Veteran Rangers/Centurions)

[@Tucher97]

Different ammo types is a case that can help a gun or atleast help you fill out a niche for a situation. Such as if the enemy is meaty but not too meaty, then something like over pressure 9mm is good enough. However I do like that despite the existing of armor piercing and such, armor piercing isn't too severely necessary as you can muscle it with higher calibers like, sure if 10 or 9 won't go through, 357 may, 44? Well certainly you will get through, 308? You seriously want them dead. However I feel the most unnecessary from hand loader is the "JHP" and such like, just simplify it to Hallow point or AP, however sooner or later, you will lose track of ammo on what they do even looking at stats, like, is it AP or just more damage? stuff like that, but doesn't mean its not great.

[@ashwolf2006]

Coinshot for me will be always near the top on my list. Cause nothing is more satisfying that shooting legionnaires with their own money.

[@Fp007]

appreciate this RR very insightful

[@ShneekeyTheLost]

Specifically with 5.56 Surplus, I like to buy it in bulk, tear it apart, then make 5.56 Match with the components. You'll need some extra powder, you'll need some extra lead, but it's got the casings and the primers. Don't get me wrong, it's still scrap tier, but it's at least a useful scrap tier. Chet at Goodsprings will sell you several hundred 5.56 Surplus that, with the right setup, you could turn most of into 5.56 Match by level 6. As far as AP vs HP, I'd generally swap them personally. Unless you're constantly running into Deathclaws or Radscorps or BoS Paladins, the massive damage bonus is nearly always worth the extra DT. The only time I'd really see a lot of use out of AP is if you're running an SMG or other low damage high rate of fire weapon.

[@martingodoy5698]

You can scrap surplus ammo?

[@ShneekeyTheLost]

@@martingodoy5698 You can break it down in the ammo bench.

[@Blabimir]

​@@martingodoy5698 with Jsawyer, yes.

[@GuyNamedGray]

YES!! 👊 Thank you for this!

[@ReapeeRon]

You're so welcome!

[@kentc4212]

Damn dude, you're like the Rusty of F:NV. I'm not complaining though; this is great content!

[@maestrofeli4259]

hand loader my beloved

[@danielsmith7199]

Hey Reaper Ron do bulk energy cells have any downsides other than lower damage to your enemies and gun like weapon jamming

[@ReapeeRon]

They don't have Armor Piercing like the normal rounds but they don't cause jams or anything like that.

[@11Reaper9]

Thank you for loving NV

[@bowaster57]

.308 Hollowpoints loaded into Pacienca are capable of hitting harder than a fully perked out Fatman, the hardest hitting (per shot) weapon mathematically possible in the game infact. Pacienca loaded with Hollowpoint rounds will do more damage with a crit against Power Armour wearing enemies than an Anti-Material Rifle is capable of doing with a crit. Justice for HP, better than AP. (Also Pacienca supremacy).

[@animewarrior3]

Rather just use hand loaded 308

[@zheydhan665]

Hi, dude! A quick question... I didn't expect your videos to be this recent, what brings you to make this videos now? not a complain but the game is pretty old by now... Anyway very nice videos, very in-depth and useful, thanks bro! cheers!

[@zheydhan665]

If you happen so see this, if you make any videos related to ammo or mention ammo in future videos and which ammo is better I would also be interested to know the value side of things, meaning caps of if its worth buying different types of ammo and using the reloading bench to craft ammo of preference... I ask this since the first time I saw the bench, all of them including the ammo reloading one I avoided it not wanting to tinker with it, I find it too complicated and gave it up

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks, mostly it was that I was disapointed in Starfield and wanted to play some more fallout.

[@mattorama]

Gotta disagree on this one. 5mm surplus, bottom tier? It's the only round with significant armor piercing that's available in large quantities. The 5.56 and 7.62 AP so rare they might as well not exist, but you can go buy tens of thousands of 5mm surplus in a haul. An assault carbine with a stack of 5mm surplus will get you through the game no problem. Hell, I cleared out Quarry Junction easily with that combo.

[@animewarrior3]

Ew

[@mcsmash4905]

here is how i ranked them when playing : useless useless useless but a somewhat interesting gimmick , the vast majority of enemies are barely armored or are just outright wild animals and by the time i ˝get to˝ enemies that have heavy armor they are a non issue because both my weapon skills and the weapons i use are high and strong respectively and this was my experience on the hardest difficulty

[@cjbouldin7967]

Let's Goooooo!!!!!!!!! This is what I was waiting for!!!!

[@mattwilliams7454]

Keeping new vegas love alive

[@nicholaslee7476]

Growing up I never updated the game because we didn't have internet, so when I used the .50 cal incendiary ammor for the anti-material rifle and went in and out of vats without shooting it would set people on fire but never got aggro. So I would go around an murder everyone with no consequence. 😅

[@youreprettygood1414]

Thank you for making my first fnv playthrough as enjoyable as possible!

[@pabloaguilera3809]

Can you make a list based on the enemies you fight?

[@wasfureinbua]

very cool video very good topic

[@ReapeeRon]

Glad you think so!

[@ryanmcgurk1750]

i understand that you don't want shit to be OP in your RPG but SWC rounds are usually unjacketed and may make your gun dirty but 3X condition is a little over the top

[@1966pontiacpower]

Kudos for you to not speaking in absolutes on firearms stuff if your not 100%. People get weird about that. Love your stuff. I do have to say, for future reference, +p doesn’t mean plus powder. It equates to plus “pressure”. Which is more powder. You’re not wrong but some pedantic person might pipe up. Ah hell. I’m that guy haha

[@DonteDiMora]

Been watching daily since the junk tier list

[@nettimato740]

nails technically count as scrap metal... or reverse scrap metal, since you can turn scrap metal into nails? 😅

[@Wavy_Gravy]

5:56!

[@pizza.doctor]

When will you run out of stuff to rank in new Vegas?

[@baanfrey]

I need to know what mods you’re using for the better weapon models 😳

[@martingodoy5698]

I disagree with the place of the bean bags, you put those on a riot shotgun and any 1v1 against anything is really easy, and i think its better than and stay back because sometimes i mag dump a deathclaw and my luck saids no

[@Kagawwy]

That's more a testament to the power of the Riot Shotgun than the Bean bag round.

[@oolooo]

You using the WAP weapon skins without changing the animations makes me angry .

[@gavincleland9010]

Pulse slugs have been incredibly useful on more recent playthroughs.

[@booker9879]

Like a dating site....wait

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

this game has a crap-ton of ammo, doesn't it? lol.

[@alexlawler4964]

Needed a quick knowledge of best ammo. Especially shotguns. Googled and u got me. 🤙