Ranking EVERY DLC for Total War: Attila - 2020 Tier List

[@happycompy]

Why does this tier list stop at D instead of going down to F? Answer: Attila doesn't have the Nomadic Tribes DLC.

[@rogerolle4906]

Jaja true

[@Frozenmenss1]

Ye, bulgars, avars, ak-khazars

[@87PLS]

😂 I clearly must be in the minority because I really enjoy playing as the nomads in Rome 2, but I am a big fan of using stacks of noble or royal horse archers with a few units of heavy lancers mixed in to mop up the remains. Even when I play as other better factions with far better rosters like the selucids, I still like to subjugate the nomadic factions so I can levy some of their noble horse archers. Although I can definitely see why people don’t like them, unlike eastern factions like Parthia and Armenia, horse archers and cavalry are literally the only thing they have going for them, they have no good naval units and absolutely terrible infantry, so assaulting cities can be a nightmare.

[@Suleimenoff]

@@87PLS Well Atilla will serve you better if you like nomadic armies. Hunnic horse archers are just unstoppable

[@jamie193h]

I've played Age of Charlemagne more than I have the main game. The kingdom mechanic makes you feel like you're working towards something and it just works really well.

[@happycompy]

I completely agree. AoC is amazing.

[@Robin-sf3gk]

But it's sad that Charlemange, great Byzanze and Umayyad dynasty don't get enough recognition really deserved a own game. Could have the potentail to beat Medeival 2

[@andrew2353]

@@happycompy AoC is probably the closest we'll get to Medieval 3 for now.

[@ramiromen6595]

I really like your content since most people focus heavily on Rome 1, Med 2 or Warhammer. Your channel is a breath of fresh air.

[@happycompy]

Thank you! I'm really glad to hear that.

[@Blooticus]

Rome 1 & Med 2 are top tier though. Hence the saturation.

[@cheems3158]

@@Blooticus Rome 2 is the best

[@happycompy]

@@Blooticus I love Med 1, Rome 1 and Med 2, but they're just too dated for me to play these days. I'd love a proper remaster of both!

[@JayTheLegend0709]

Fully support this comment. Great content!

[@rickysavage9557]

I loved attila, I always felt that the rosters in the base game seemed to be evenly matched. I still love rome 2 but if we are talking strictly vanilla Ill always choose attila.

[@happycompy]

I agree with you. ROME II is my favorite but I can't play it without mods. It's just too unbalanced (easy). Attila is great vanilla.

[@rickysavage9557]

@@happycompy In terms of time periods rome 2 and attila are my favorites right behind thrones. Even if thrones is kinda cruddy I still love the era.

[@happycompy]

@@rickysavage9557 man, i really need to buy and put some hours into Thrones. How does it run for you? Attila runs like a dog.

[@rickysavage9557]

@@happycompy Thrones runs fine for me. I'd recommend you use some mods for thrones. You can install a bunch on a vanilla playthrough and still have a good time. It also has some overhaul mods people worked on like clash of kings and shield wall. I think shield wall is still being worked on too. Thrones might not be for everyone tho it has alot rough edges.

[@FirstNameLastName-tx6td]

@@happycompy that's funny you say that. I've just started playing Atilla on my laptop (1060 max) and it seems to run fine besides the FPS while the AI has their turns on the grand campaign map

[@leonst.7471]

Attila is great it's the "dark souls" of total war titles

[@happycompy]

Holy shit this is a great statement, I'm stealing this.

[@rizalalbar]

Especially when you play as Western Rome Empire

[@sethleoric2598]

True, both difficulty wise and Thematically

[@moisuomi]

Age of Charlemagne could have literally been it’s own game.

[@happycompy]

You're absolutely right. ***Laughs in Thrones of Britannia***

[@moisuomi]

@@happycompy What a disappointment 😔

[@tamiloxd7168]

Even if i love Total War Three Kingdoms, my second favourite would be Attila because as someone said before me, Attila feels like the Dark Souls of Total War.

[@hosseinmasumi2092]

Age of charlmange is one of the best dlc's total war games have ever seen .

[@happycompy]

Agreed.

[@KnaRRaN1989]

Its utter shit since Danes doesnt havet horses

[@abhikbhawal7815]

@@KnaRRaN1989 Danes can hire mercenary horses. There are historical reasons why these Vikings can't recruit their own cavalry, and I think it makes for interesting gameplay.

[@shrekas2966]

​@@abhikbhawal7815There are no historical reasons for danes not to use horses. They used horses in pretty much the same way as anglo-saxons.

[@bobby4268]

Attila can be frustrating both in game and in performance but it is by far the best when it comes to forming your own narrative and trying to survive. The whole migration system was great. The Irish could migrate to Persia if they wanted to.

[@happycompy]

I agree. If Attila ran as smoothly as Rome 2 does I'd play it a helluva lot more.

[@Suleimenoff]

Actually the game mechanics are the best in TW series and it is one of the more difficult ones. Everything went downhill afterwards... Boy I was excited for 3K, but it just was shit. Replaying R2TW yesterday during one of the river battles I have noticed that arrows actually produce pretty realistic visual and sound emulation of splashes when they hit water.

[@franekkwiatkowski]

Right before the Steam winter sale. Thank you so much for this video!!!

[@happycompy]

Glad I could help!

[@elang1702]

Damn only 2.8k subs ? This is high quality stuff man ! You deserve more.

[@happycompy]

Thank you very much!

[@leonst.7471]

I like to buy my DLC according to the history I am interested in

[@happycompy]

Me too.

[@magako_v.3]

I need to admit that I bought the game with every DLC and I cant regret it. Currently playing an Ebdanian campaign, but planning on a 1212 AD one aswell.

[@happycompy]

Ebdanians are one of my favorite factions! Fianna FTW!

[@magako_v.3]

@@happycompy Honestly I just chose them because of the starting position, pretty isolated.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Am I the only one who wants a Victorian Era or WW1 Total War game? It would be very different, with different mechanics, but it could be incredible. I also keep dreaming about a Thirty Years War Total War game, the mix of black powder, pikes, cavalry is also something I want to see.

[@happycompy]

Victorian/WW1 Era Total War is what I want more than any other historical period.

[@ohauss]

Thirty Years War is an absolute must. It's a defining period, offers plenty of different factions and units, eg with the Swedes' introduction of light, mobile artillery. It also suggests some intriguing mechanisms - e.g. feedback cycles between plague and war leading to depopulation, leading to reduced productivity, including for food, which leads to famine and even worse depopulation. This would only suggest the necessity of logistics to ensure troops are well-fed. And if you can't feed or can't pay your troops, it might mean that come the next siege, the choice to peacefully occupy is taken from you, as your army insists on looting.

[@RosaMelano-yo4ei]

I feel like most Attila fans desired a Rise of Islam campaign. Not only that but other interesting conflicts of the period like the Tetrarchy, Majorian or the Fall of the Guptas were left unexplored.

[@happycompy]

Agreed. In a better universe, Attila is an Expansion for Rome 2 like Fall of the Samurai, and we can launch all campaigns from one game. You'd have thought CA would have learned from their Empire Total War/Napoleon Total War mistake.

[@happycompy]

@FattyFludders the 3 way war between Rome, Persia, and the Arabs is the perfect setup for a DLC IMHO.

[@emperorclaudius5499]

Attila is like a time capsule, it has barely any of the same updates and reworks that Rome 2 got

[@happycompy]

Yeah, especially end-turn times and battle performance.

[@Neutral_1zed]

Still got the Viking Forefathers anyways because Vikings. And challenge is fun.

[@blecis74]

A very well made guide, thanks Compy I’ll definitely make sure to get the Empires of sand culture pack next time there’s a sale, also thanks for ranking the Celtic culture pack so high, I love playing as them and have completed campaigns all three Celtic factions.

[@geckoguy4141]

Empires of the Sand is the absolute best culture pack. I know people have a lot of mixed feelings on it but Himyar will always be my favorite faction in the entire game. It has such a good underdog story of being a small faction stuck between ERE and the Sassanids. There's so much replayability for me based on who you side with (or even going it alone). And while their higher tier units may lag behind a little, they're very unique and have a cool as hell aesthetic.

[@happycompy]

Himyar has an epic aesthetic, agreed!

[@Smenkhaare]

A Axum is my go to. The sense of satisfaction I get when defeating the Sassinides is not to be underestimated.

[@samehawad6821]

This channel is pure gold. S tier

[@happycompy]

Thank you very much!

[@connycontainer9459]

Had this for a while in my libaray. Played once, did'nt like it. Got back into it 3 days ago, loving it now. Getting my ass kicked, barely hanging on as Vandals, somehow making it to Rhodos, again barely hanging on and slowly stabilizing while getting a hang of this game truly is a nice experience.

[@cuentaparacomentar8737]

I thank modders for creating amazing content which makes people try out Attila. In spite of being my favorite TW I don't consider it "underrated" but more like overlooked because of its design flaws and particularities of the era in which it takes place. It's an understandably divisive game which nonetheless can be very appealing to way more people.

[@happycompy]

Very well said. I actually love Attila's atmosphere and difficulty. I don't play it nearly as much as Rome 2 because of the terrible performance and long end-turn times.

[@aaronholley2281]

I love this and have rewatched the rome 2 tier list multiple times please keep doing these there addictive and so interesting just to hear from someone else love it keep it up

[@happycompy]

Thank you very much! Comments like these make these videos worth it!

[@123four...]

1212ad is one of the best dlcs... oh wait.

[@happycompy]

Good one lol

[@Arcaryon]

Ah, where would these games be without mods..

[@happycompy]

@@Arcaryon well for one thing, this channel wouldn't exist. For another, I wouldn't play a few of them like Rome 2.

[@Arcaryon]

@@happycompy Reason number 1 for getting _bad_ DLC during deep sales is undoubtedly the access to even more mods.

[@happycompy]

@@Arcaryon Small price to pay for salvation.

[@ivlivsvalerivsmaiorianvs3884]

These vids are AMAZING. Make more of these, please. Subscribed already!

[@happycompy]

Thank you so much man!

[@gildaherrer5131]

You nailed it, love Attila and own all of its DLC but I'd say only Empires of Sand and Age of Charlemagne are must haves

[@happycompy]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :) AoC & EoS are fantastic.

[@Skippy-id9yt]

I'm still so hooked on Napoleon (something about musket volleys and the smoke across the field looks and sounds awesome )

[@happycompy]

Empire 2 when? CA pls

[@Crimethoughtfull]

@@happycompy Yes, we simply MUST have Empire II...then maybe a Campaign Pack that puts the world up to the FotS/Victorian period!

[@speedwagon6-e1b]

Here before the steam fall sale! Definitely buying Empires of Sand and Age of Charlemagne

[@f3wbs]

I bought Attila because of Age of Charlemagne’s trailer. When you compare the base game to the DLC, it’s like you said; it’s *very* polished. My favourite faction from the DLCs is the Roman Expedition because they’re a revolutionized ERE with hints of WRE and useful but expendable auxiliaries. Some people consider them OP because of their axes and cavalry but both can be hard counter easily. I feel like they are the faction you’d want to play to get a basic understanding of the game mechanics and tactics.

[@Cliperclaper]

Awesome video! I was thinking of buying Total War: Three Kingdoms, so I would love to see a DLC rank list for that game.

[@aaronholley2281]

I wanted to make a suggestion actually been beings watching through your videos but an idea I’d love to see is a faction hardest to easiest for grand campaign of Rome 2 though just a suggestion keep it up man

[@happycompy]

Cool idea!

[@boywithnoname5802]

great vid man

[@happycompy]

Thank you!

[@WellHiFellers]

Your content is awesome keep it up!!

[@happycompy]

Thank you, will do!

[@ahmadtarek7763]

Really glad I found this channel, I have been looking for a mod reviewing channel and yours nicely scratches my itch, easy sub. Also yeah, a rise of Islam dlc would have been amazing.

[@happycompy]

Thank you for the sub, I'm glad you're enjoying it!

[@sp1cychick3n]

Extremely helpful, making it easier on what to buy. Thank you!!

[@happycompy]

Thanks for the comment! Glad the video was helpful :)

[@Neutral_1zed]

10:29 I think he got tricked by Rise of the Republic and mixed up Rise of the Samurai for Fall of the Samurai. Either that or man has special tastes and forgot FoTs.

[@happycompy]

ROTS was a true DLC. FOTS was a standalone expansion pack.

[@jrizzle7709]

I finally got a good pc after wanting one for almost a decade. The last game I couple play was shogun 2. This guide was very helpful each game has a billion dlc and its overwhelming

[@happycompy]

Congrats on the new PC!

[@slightlyburntmarshmallow4301]

I saw your video on Rome 2 the other day and was just about to ask if you could do one for Attila. You really helped me out so thank you

[@happycompy]

Glad I could help!

[@reuben7705]

Good video man, agree with much on here. Its nice to see this game still being discussed, its my favourite total war game due to the time period.

[@happycompy]

Attila stans are fucking die hards and I love it. The game has the best atmosphere of any total war game since medieval 1 imo. The game made me fall in love with late antiquity. Shame CA abandoned it. Should have been a Rome 2 dlc. I'll be making another Attila video soon ;).

[@reuben7705]

@@happycompy 100%. The AoC DLC was well done but an early islam one would've been brilliant.

[@reuben7705]

@@happycompy I love the apocalyptic atmosphere, just finished an absolutely insane battle with the huns as the Eastern Romans.

[@happycompy]

Which DLC is your favorite? AOC is mine, easily.

[@patrickkappel4053]

AoC and 1212ad are the only reason I come back to Attila. The base game is fine, I just don't enjoy the bland factions. BTW.. 1212ad Ghurids is an insanely difficult playthrough, but as soon as you get those OP elephants you'll be fine

[@happycompy]

@@patrickkappel4053 While I don't find the base game factions "bland" per-se. They definitely can be really samey because of all of the Germans running around everywhere, I can totally see that argument. Rome 2 was much better in that regard.

[@gavins9846]

The Viking Forefathers and Desert Kingdoms are my favorites. They bring a lot of cool factions on the opposite sides of the map. Really neat. The danish and geat rosters are kinda bland, but that can be helped out by mods (creating custom units and changing some stats for any REALLY bad units). I just love viking ships lol.

[@happycompy]

@@gavins9846 the Viking ships look so fucking cool in Attila. If the Geats had the Jutes roster they'd be a pretty good faction imo.

[@MercenaryJedi]

Honestly, what makes SP become bland is the Huns. They wreck half the map, and without a mechanic to automatically spawn new factions, the AI just isn't aggressive enough at resettling, so things get boring fast. Playing with mods that nerf the Huns make things much more interesting simply because there's more dynamic conquest/growth. One of my campaigns ended in a grand war between my Slavic-led Eastern Bloc fighting a Celtic coalition in the west ^_^

[@tiagomoreira8742]

Wanted to play vikings but its the worst doc apparently ahah Nice vídeo !

[@mabusharn3761]

Thanks for this. I'm currently deciding which dlcs to buy for attila and rome 2 while the steam sale is on. All that being said, I'm a completionist, and will probably end up buying all of them.

[@happycompy]

F in the chat for completionists' wallets.

[@aussiesoldier0177]

Cheers for the video....I've watched your DLC tier review for Rome 2 and Attila and I now have a list of the best to buy....thanks much

[@happycompy]

Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching

[@camulodunon]

@@happycompy question, when do you think you will start uploading again?

[@markhirsch6301]

I mainly play Radious which gives all the factions with bad unit rosters just better rosters. Plus they actually have good archer units for most factions now

[@markhirsch6301]

Langobards and Picts are my favorite factions btw. Langobards for their infantry, and the Picts because Radious gives them some of the best archers in the game

[@happycompy]

I really enjoy both of those factions as well.

[@TheNorseWolf]

Thank you my man got it all on sale but I did wait to get Last Roman and Slavic Nations.

[@rainerunsinn123]

wait rise of the samurai counts as a gem? why? i DEMAND a video! ;)

[@llluminatixx7]

This is great. Please do more Total war dlc lists

[@nicklancaster8855]

Great video - keep them spicy their lists coming 👍

[@shibre9543]

nice man good job

[@happycompy]

Thanks!

[@JuveVinny]

here for the Steam summer sale 2023. Thank you.

[@happycompy]

Hope it was helpful!

[@deftigemahlzeit5935]

Well, i mean the immunity against seasickness is kind of great, water is like land for a danish army. I bought the whole game and all dlc's, except the gore one, last autumsale, and now Rome 2 and ToB. It's been said a lot, but your content is top there btw, a normal, no time wasting presentation. If i was forced to complain about something, i would say don't show me the dlcs trailers 3 times in a row, but hey.

[@happycompy]

Thank you for the valuable feedback! I really appreciate it. Brevity and no-bullshit presentation is important to me. Yeah I agree, the trailer looping kind of sucks, gameplay footage would have been better.

[@rogerolle4906]

perfect vid

[@happycompy]

Perfect comment :) Thank you for watching!

[@rogerolle4906]

@@happycompy keep it up dude, u deserte more views and u will get them with this quality content :)

[@idk-db4sw]

I think this is a good video like the rome 2 tier list, but imo I think you should give the multiplayer side of the dlcs more attention

[@happycompy]

Thank you. I don't play multiplayer, so I probably should have mentioned that this is a single player focused tier list.

[@idk-db4sw]

@@happycompy ok good to know thanks for the conformation

[@franki1651]

AoC is great, but imo the most fun experience in Attila is, despite all the DLCs, playing as either the Romans (East or West) or the Germanic tribes in the Grand Campaign, the thing that has been there since the beginning.

[@unnamedshadow1866]

i wonder if you will make a Total War Warhammer 2 DLC and FLC tier list? Expecting a 1 hour video considering the insane amount of DLC and FLC that game has.

[@happycompy]

Not any time soon. I need to own and play all of the WH2 DLC first. I'm missing a few!

[@unnamedshadow1866]

@@happycompy Hope you include the FLC as well. In some cases the FLC end up being better than the actual DLC.

[@CBGBBB]

I might get shit for this, but Rome II latest edition is my fav..minus the horse collisions

[@ayush21399]

damn I just wanted to buy Attila this winter sale and got this dlc review... Very very helpful..

[@ayush21399]

Tho, seems like I will play 1212 ad more then vanilla ..

[@happycompy]

It seems like you're not alone, judging by some of these comments :)

[@luckiller019]

speaking of Medieval 3 and 1212 mode. have you thought about doing medieval 3 "wishlist?" video? Expectation, what CA could learnd (or avoid) from their post Attila tw, factions and historic events you want see etc

[@happycompy]

This is brilliant! I'm stealing this idea.

[@KirihitoSan]

it's still painful that we haven't gotten any Caucasian factions DLC or an extended map for some India action...this game had so much potential(

[@ktlhlu308]

I play games like Attila with a historical role-play kind of enthusiasm, nerdy as it sounds lol. So i buy whichever DLC that interests me regardless of stats.

[@demeare-_-3360]

I’d play Attila if it didn’t crash almost immediately after starting a game lmao

[@CyrusLeGrandProd]

In my opinion, Attila will remain one of the best Total war games ever made... Unfortunately abandoned by CA, this game deserves much more love... some bug fixes, rebalancing and optimization and it would be perfect. I agree with this tierlist ^^

[@happycompy]

I agree. It's a shame CA abandoned what could have been the best historical tw game.

[@xptolen]

Total War: Attila is by far the best total war game ever.

[@reporterid]

I don't know if this might help some people but there is a special edition of Attila called Tyrants and Kings that has the base game, the Viking Forefathers and the Age of Charlemagne DLCs in one pack. Depending on the retailer, it might be almost as cheap or even cheaper than Attila by itself and, considering Charlemagne is included, it seems like a good deal.

[@adowowable2587]

I love how in Attliia every culture pack except for the Celtic Tribes are absolutely overpowered until the next one comes.

[@happycompy]

It's true :(. Rome 2's culture packs are more balanced (except for Desert Kingdoms).

[@giorgos6099]

Hey, Total Ware Attila may not be a memorable game but i really enjoy it even though i also believe that it should have been a dlc for Rome 2. The hardships when starting a Western/Eastern Roman campaign is something i loved right away! In fact, my first campaign was with western rome and it was amazing but a bit hard. Those damn huns always attacked me and only me! Aquilea was destroyed 7 times from 400AD to 420AD but around 430AD i had reconquered much of western rome. This campaign will always be in my head and makes me return to total war attila and fight for rome one more time!

[@happycompy]

I totally get that perspective man!

[@LevCallahan]

I'm gonna disagree about the Viking Forefathers pack. While it's true two of the three aren't necessarily great, the Geats easily make the whole pack a B-tier DLC simply *because* of the immunity to snow attrition, effectively making it close to a god-like faction in the face of everyone else. It's incredibly fun to play, especially if you start off the campaign by abandoning your capitol and immediately migrating to Britain, changing your religion to Celtic, and starting off in a very defensible position early-game.

[@happycompy]

Celtic Vikings is something I need to try now lmao.

[@heirofwesteros]

This game has one of the best mods

[@happycompy]

Age of Vikings says hi.

[@saboteurs964]

I just found Your channel and its great!

[@happycompy]

Thank you!

[@shrekas2966]

Bejeweled nobles aren't trash. You're conflicting old Maximus Decimus Meridius video with the reality, which is - they have been patched to have a shield wall. This means that you can recruit elite heavy shield wall infantry early on.

[@josephquinnswolin3500]

Age of Charlimang closes we get to a medieval 3

[@happycompy]

Yup!

[@Vortex-7358]

the blood/gore packs should be default F since they dont add much and should be part of the base game

[@happycompy]

I thought about F tiering them honestly. They're a touchy subject and I'm not sure if I buy CA's "it let's us rate the game T for Teen" argument, that's why I left them off the tier lists.

[@lcdcstudios]

are you going to do Three Kingdoms?

[@happycompy]

Not any time soon ☹️. I haven't put the time into 3k to really get a feel for the DLC and the value it adds. You can bet your ass I'll do a tier list when i can, though.

[@RIP_Greedo]

Age of Charlemagne is indeed the best of these packs, but as vanilla it's rather lacking. There are some mods that greatly expand the rosters for all these factions, making it much better. Worth noting is that units in this DLC have very different mechanics than in base Attila. All infantry has 100 health; all cavalry has 150 health, whether they are early game levies or elite units. Compare this to some of the top tier units in base Attila (especially from the DLCs) that have 200+ health. It's ridiculous. As a result, units in Charlemagne are more fragile but also more fairly balanced. Armor and unit formations/position are more important. You have to be more careful with your expensive units, especially cavalry.

[@pickleinspector5948]

Excellent video!

[@happycompy]

Thank you!

[@wollotv]

Great video! I was thinking that I really remember buying like 6 years ago a "Blood & Gore" DLC pack for total war Rome II, but I haven't seen it on the Rome 2 DLC tier video, am I wrong ?

[@MercenaryJedi]

I know this review was aimed at Single Player, and I'm a week late, but if anyone here is interested in DLC for multiplayer (what's left of it), here's my take on the DLC: Faction packs in general are rather low value because they tend to have the same problem: the unit rosters are essentially the same between the factions, and one faction usually has one or two unique units that renders the other two completely pointless. Unfortunately, the factions that are good tend to be really good... Viking Forefathers: Like HappyCompy said, this one is really poor value, even for multiplayer. Only the Jutes have unique units worth bringing, in the form of the Huscarls/Royal Huscarls. These are the best two-handed axe units in the game, and in most circumstances will utterly wreck any infantry unit (and a lot of cavalry) units that they charge into. However, all of the factions suffer from a lack of shock cavalry, a weakness that the Saxons make up for. Still, if you know how to deal with cavalry, the Jutes can be real beasts in multiplayer. B Tier because of the Jutes Longbeards: Better value because two out of the three have unique rosters. Unfortunately, the Burgundians ruin that value by rendering the other two nearly pointless. The Burgundians compete as one of the most overpowered factions in multiplayer, due to their excellent combo of underpriced but extremely powerful shock cavalry and very affordable two-handed axes. For a player who is familiar with the bonus vs. stats, the Langobards are a fun faction because they have the one of the strongest tank units in the game via their Scaled Clubmen. The Alamans are not the worst faction in multiplayer, but they're still only really useful if you want to impose a challenge on yourself. The Langobards and Alamans both lack in cavalry and shock infantry, making them weak against most factions. A Tier because of the Burgundians. Celts: Better value than the Longbeard faction pack because the rosters are more diverse, but it gets evened out by the fact that all of the Celtic factions are terrible in the cavalry department. The Ebdanians, having the best tools for dealing with enemy cavalry, are the best faction, followed by the Picts. You might think that the Caledonians would be better at handling cavalry because of their unique spears, but that just makes them a trash faction. If you hate dealing with the Slavs, the Celts are probably the best factions for taking them down without much fuss. C Tier Slavic: This one shares its place with the Viking Forefathers as one of the worst value packs. Outside of the poison archers, they do not have much going for them, even in single player. Poison archers fire slowly, and Slavic units in general have poor missile block chance and low armor. In Multiplayer, many (cowardly/stupid) players outright ban the use of poison arrows, despite them being rather easy to fight against. The Venedians are the worst, as their unique units are all one-handed axe units, and all three factions have the Slavic Axe Warriors, which are the only axe unit worth bringing with one exception. The Sclavenians get the exception in the form of anti-cavalry axes, which are unique in getting bonuses against both cavalry and infantry. And the Anteans get the best poison archers, but that doesn't mean much except in fighting other Slavs. In summary, three paper tiger factions whose power comes from the perception of their power. D Tier Desert: Like Happy said, the best faction pack because all three factions have unique rosters and play styles. Axum may be the weakest of them, but its infantry and spear roster combined with potent melee cavalry make it a far more viable faction than in other faction packs. The Tanukhids are the true glass cannons of the game, able to dish out large damage while having trouble taking it. Himyar is the other OP faction of the game, as the combo of Athar's Chosen and Almaqah's Lancers is incredibly hard to beat conventionally. S Tier The Last Roman: While the Ostrogothic Kingdom is not the weakest faction, it sure tries hard to be there. The Roman Expedition is basically a weaker version of the Eastern Roman Empire, however they do get the only single-handed axe units in the game that are actually good, and being more affordable makes them a worthy and potent alternative. B Tier Age of Charlemagne: Between Rome II being infantry focused and Attila being dominated by cavalry, Age of Charlemagne has the best balance in among them. Cavalry and shock infantry are powerful, but only when used at the right time and place in a battle. Each faction has its strengths and weaknesses to beware of and exploit. Unfortunately, the small faction and roster sizes, combined with the popularity of the (free) 1212 mod means that it's almost impossible to get regular games in this DLC. In quality, this one should be S-Tier. The lack of players really makes it D-Tier. So I'll take the average and put it at C-Tier

[@happycompy]

Thank you for this! This is an incredible write up!

[@tiziocaio8657]

Does Slavs have a cheeki breeki bonus?

[@laingram8337]

Nice

[@happycompy]

Thanks

[@laingram8337]

@@happycompy btw do you know how to fast delete all mods?

[@morsalisk4649]

Imma be real with you I bought Total War: Attila to play to play the 1212AD mod, but Age of Charlemagne sounds fun

[@HistoryNerd8765]

Attila, on the whole, is probably my favorite Total War game not counting the Warhammer games (I don't think it's fair to include them).

[@DiocletianLarius]

10:38 Yeah, really. It would be great to have new dlcs, I fantasied with the idea of CA making new "surprise" campaigns just like with Rome 2 and the Rise of the Republic. Either an Attila post-Empire Divided campaign (playing with Diocletian/the Tetrarchy or even with Julian the Apostate, who's history was really censured and demonized) or a post Last Roman/Charlemagne. I would love a campaign with the Khazars (also a well known yet obscure culture), the Turquic tribes, the Avars and Magyars or the Rise of Islam, tho knowing about the European ethnocentrism (and islamophobia) I doubt they would have many sales on that, but one can dream (? I really don't like Islamic religion too much, but their culture and history are awesome and they contributed a lot to humanity (in sciences, medicine, architecture, maths, etc.), is a shame that there aren't many games about them and their origins. Like yeah we have games about Saladdin and Mehmed (both who fighted against Europeans) but we lack games about the firsts caliphates, good old Saladdin and their conquests aren't sh*t against the mighty of Umayyad caliphate in their golden era

[@happycompy]

I'd love all of those ideas for new dlc!

[@wholesomebaker5410]

My second favorite total war, first of course Shogun 2. Don't ask why, I just like return to it once two years or so.

[@gloskocz1714]

Does Age of Charlemagne add factions to custom battle?

[@happycompy]

yes

[@gloskocz1714]

@@happycompy Thanks

[@Blastoice]

Why is green bad and red good? 😁 Should be the other way round! I don't agree with the viking forefathers, I liked that DLC! 😊 But good video though, I've liked and subscribed

[@happycompy]

Good point LOL. I'm glad you enjoyed it, welcome aboard!

[@totalwar2130]

When new video?

[@chrisg5219]

Attila is the last truly great historical game.

[@samtemdo8]

Age of Charlemagne is the closet we have to a Medieval 3 Total War

[@omega8568]

It is sad that you can't play as Theme of Sicily in Age of Charlemagne. Good thing there's mode for that though.

[@ramiromen6595]

Greatest mistakes of that DLC is not making them playable and not adding North Africa (or at least Tunis)

[@happycompy]

THIS! I meant to mention this when I said that "every region is represented by a playable faction."

[@willforlife_]

cool video always thought attila looked like an unneeded game and that the energy could have been spent into making Rome II (at the time, better) bought the game on a steam sale and all the DLC a while back to look over the game cuse i am interested in game mechanics and evolution, age of Charlemagne looks great and would play that over the grand campaign, for actual fun, and the grand campaign for more of a system check to see what they did right, wrong, appealing or revolting haha

[@happycompy]

My feelings exactly. I'll be doing a "why total war Attila FAILED" video soon, and from the sounds of your comment, you'll probably agree with most of my points.

[@willforlife_]

@@happycompy ah cool nice I know there's that one mod Dresden did for it as well

[@exioz99]

Here after the new steam total war sale

[@dinzhurkabaev]

That's fun but the best normann faction due to the unit roster is germanic saxons.

[@khamulthewack4732]

Literally just watched your Rome 2 tier list and this popped up. Neat. Subbed. P.S. Fuck the Nomad DLC. P.P.S If they were gonna put so little effort into TROY TW, why didn't they just use Rome 2/ Attila as the base to build on? Would have looked just as ugly and at least the animations wouldn't be complete ass.

[@happycompy]

I agree. Troy is not a good looking game (on the battlefield)... All of Warhammer's animation clunkiness without any of the style and charm.

[@oldrabbit8290]

because Troy is a testbed for new mechanics, so it should use the latest engine..

[@caioFAA]

AoC is just perfect, almost a new game.

[@luiscampos1708]

Great work! We should all thank you... I've never played Rome 2 or Attila. Wich one would you recommend to play first or it doesn't matter cause they are 2 different games... My issue is about the era that each of them takes place, I mean, attila should be played after cause its kind of sequence of Rome 2? Anyway, thank you in advance.

[@happycompy]

Both! It totally depends on which era you like and how powerful your PC is. My vote goes to ROme 2, but Attila is the deeper game.

[@jotaro2690]

How can i download medieval kingdoms 1212 ad ? When i subscribe in steam workshop it doesn't start!

[@geoffwitt4227]

Video on mods please. There are 1000's and several hundred overhauls as well.

[@happycompy]

There will be more Mods Weekly videos coming!

[@Kevalanium]

i finally have a computer to play attila yay

[@cohortConnor]

I was excited for the Slavs DLC... but the cheats the Huns get 100% ruined it for me

[@happycompy]

Yeah on top of all of the problems I have with the Slavic factions, their starting position is one of the worst in the game imo.

[@burningphoneix]

Rise of the Samurai? Did you mean Fall of the Samurai? That was the better one imo

[@happycompy]

I meant RoTS, because FoTS is a standalone game that doesn't require Shogun 2, unlike RoTS which is definitely DLC. I agree with you that FoTS is much better than RoTS.

[@burningphoneix]

@@happycompy I see. I should go back and play Rise. I played a few turns and thought it was too similar to the base game so I jusr bought Fall and played that.

[@reporterid]

@@happycompy Was it always like that though? Because CA rebranded FoTS as a Saga game a few years after its release and I feel like that they made it standalone only then. I mean, I don't remember ever launching FoTS outside Shogun 2 but a lot of time has passed since then.

[@happycompy]

@@reporterid They've always been standalone, but they both are integrated into the same main menu. Honestly CA's handling of Shogun 2 & FoTS is the best they've ever done in terms of integration. WAY WAY better than Empire & Napoleon and Rome 2 & Attila.

[@reporterid]

@@happycompy Sorry if I'm asking again but I don't understand what you mean (might be my fault). Is it possible to just download and play Fots? Because in my library I only have Shogun 2 (listed) but I do own Fots and I can play it if I download Shogun 2. Like, you know, the difference between Rise of the republic and Thrones of britannia.

[@galocascio]

Rome 1 TW was my First Total War game and it was increible for me in those years, but i didn´t like to much the barbariam invasion; curiously, i preffer the Attila over the Rome II.