Ranking EVERY Fox-3 Missile in War Thunder

[@legendarywoIf]

R-77 above Derby feels really weird to me, as Derby feels to have much better range characteristics but turning just slightly worse

[@rodneycook3674]

They new f16c with derby feels really nice. The derby shine at high altitude at around 25 km max. The derbys are one of the best at high altitude speed wise

[@rodneycook3674]

Yeah idk what he’s saying about the derby having the lowest range. Just not true. It’s the MICA easy. I have Israel and France both. MICA are awesome in a dogfight but the derby is usable at range.

[@jpwe10]

Honestly the R-Darter compliments the Gripen’s play style better than the Aim 120. Since the Gripen has only 4 fox 3s, you want to get in close anyway and use its maneuverability, which works really well with HMD and the Darter, so I think for that, it should be A tier, but the Derby should be B tier since it’s on the least maneuverable F16. And yes, I am one of the three R-Darter users out there.

[@perennialE]

Prime aircraft for going right gaming possibly 🤔

[@terminallydrunk1900]

They are all F tier cause i keep dying to them

[@MattTheViper]

"Then please get a premium and grind the fox-3 carriers" -Gaijin, probably 😂

[@filipson8497]

because enemy missiles are 20x better

[@luoeain2026]

AIM120A/B in the game is buffed to the C model level, wonder if Gaijing nerf the corrent 120A/B when 120C come out

[@JoshYxVdM]

AFAIK the first C model variant, C-3, just has clipped wings so that the f-22 could carry 6 instead of 4. I can't find any further information but to me that sounds like it would be slightly worse than the B variant. Unless you mean that the A/B perform like the C-4/5/6/7 variant?

[@luoeain2026]

@@JoshYxVdM The 120A/B are same and buffed in the game now (idk if they r buffed to 120C level), when 120C come out they have to make difference between A/B/C, I just wonder how they will do it

[@FEnrir584]

Idk why the range of the MICA is only 50km irl it’s 80km just like the AIM120 i don’t know why gaijin decided to nerf his range so much I mean it’s pretty easy to find info about it since it got declassified by the French ministry of defense the range of the MICA is literally findable on their website

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

Statcards are a lie anyway, they don't really represent anything in the coding of the missile. As for why the MICA is bad at range in game, it has basically no lofting ingame and the thrust vectoring coding makes the missile waste energy because of the wobbling that sometimes happen, especially when the motor is burning

[@fqeagles21]

Gaijin Always Boos nations, for example R-77 was so bad irl that most pilot prefered R-27

[@Null24]

@@fqeagles21 which is saying something because the r27 also is a pos

[@fqeagles21]

@@Null24 true that

[@hadialdennawi8665]

I reported it but an employee said they considering fixing it.

[@bendawg8-wi4dr]

What the do you mean the Derby/R-Darter has less energy than a MICA and R-77? Are you referring to before they were fixed when they locked Jesus at high range launches? They work extremely well for me, and although they aren’t 50Gs they do have really decent range in my experience and 40Gs is no joke in a dogfight. I’ll try them again when I’m stock grinding the F-16C so that way I can launch and compare the Aim-120 and Derby together.

[@RockSeller01]

Yeah the derby is actually really good. Comparable to the 120 in different way but same in effectiveness.

[@rodneycook3674]

I really like the derby on the new F16c. I take a couple no matter what. But on short range maps I’ll run all derby.

[@mythicfour]

MICA at close range is S tier. - A french air RB main.

[@cookiecracker2]

Yes!

[@perennialE]

If this was a

[@godwhacker]

the mica has statistically by far the most energy of any fox 3 missile within ~22km, dropping off significantly at further ranges. but with the thrust vectoring and the 19km HMD on the m2k, the mica might be my favorite fox 3 rn -also a french main with tons of experience with all nation top tier

[@lilMungo]

@@perennialEI’ve gotten a 42mile kill pal

[@dragondaan8668]

@@godwhackeryes is has the most delta V but gaijin nerfed it by giving it massive drag. IRL mica has simile range to the aim-120A

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

When the stars align you can get 50+ km kills with the MICA, and anything under 15km is already dead

[@SeekerHead]

i skipped to the end and i will not be watching the video

[@RockSeller01]

Putting the derby below the r77 is almost worthy of a dislike. But I'll spare him for now.

[@perennialE]

Ignore the positive comments 😀 hate from Croatia 😁🖐️

[@theeradicator110]

The AIM-120 accelerates faster than the Fakour-90, there is a vid comparing the two

[@perennialE]

Link? I'd like to see it

[@theeradicator110]

@@perennialE liks dont work in comments anymore, just search "AIM-120 vs. Fakour 90 Race!"

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

@@perennialEit’s true. Right off the rail, practically already at Mach 3. Same with the Sedjeels since they share the same motor. It makes them very good to use at long, medium, and even somewhat close range due the the acceleration, as I’ve found in my own experience using them.

[@perennialE]

I just found it and saw it, I didnt realize the extra few degrees of lofting was that impactful. Though I would still think the Fakour might hit maneuvering targets and targets on the deck better because of the sustainer rather than having limited energy to spend after the initial burn phases.

[@theeradicator110]

@@perennialE no I think the fakour 90 would hit them better because of the much larger warhead

[@GoodboiOfficial]

Me when I arrive for Perennials once per quarter videos (the algorithm pushes it on my page every time I open KZbin)

[@perennialE]

I did 2 videos this quarter 😳 I'm overachieving

[@GoodboiOfficial]

@@perennialE fr

[@MokkaHai]

The summoning salt soundtrack really fits these videos

[@perennialE]

Didn't even know it was sum salt music lol, there's only so much royalty free music out there that doesn't sound like cheeks. Glad you like it though!

[@bradentucker4854]

I concur with this list (I’ve only used the rb99s for the gripen and the harrier and f-15 so I have no clue if he’s right or not)

[@kilian3006]

Derby B tier? this is why ranking missiles through "stats" alone doesnt work and also "AAM-4 has even range to the AIM-120" clearly you havent used the AAM-4 yet, as its range is comparable to that of the Derby, just that the Derby lofts more and pulls better. (also a sample size of 10 top tier matches is not enough to give a valid opinion on the missiles)

[@rodneycook3674]

Some of the charts show it as the best within like 28km at altitude. The derbys are fun to dogfight with and shooting climbers. The 120s are better at sea level though

[@cookiecracker2]

I somehow knew you would put the mica at A simply because you didnt use it. I have toptier usa, russia, and france, and my favorite is the mica, sure 120 is good, but the mica is by far the most consistant and fun missile for me. You can lock someone at a 80 degree angle, fire the mica and it will do a 180 and get a kill, its amazing. Aim120 could never hope to do that, and r77 would probably spin out of control. Also aim54c at c tier? Dang why not b tier?

[@fqeagles21]

AIM120 D will be able to do it❤❤❤, i'm waiting for it

[@cookiecracker2]

@@fqeagles21 the D variant is thrust vectoring?

[@Null24]

@@cookiecracker2 aim54c is arguably worse than the 54a. It's heavier, slightly slower, has less explosive mass, and in exchange has slightly better chaff/notch rejection and slightly better ins drift

[@Null24]

@@cookiecracker2 aim54c is arguably worse than the 54a. It's heavier, slightly slower, has less explosive mass, and in exchange has slightly better chaff/notch rejection and slightly better ins drift

[@Null24]

@@cookiecracker2 aim54c is arguably worse than the 54a. It's heavier, slightly slower, has less explosive mass, and in exchange has slightly better chaff/notch rejection and slightly better ins drift

[@tobilikebacon]

AMRAAM is still the best, at really long range shots (25km+) it outenergies the AAM-4 by a fair bit.

[@FoquroC31]

It's the no skill missile

[@Theratsnatcher]

oh man i can feel them nerds coming to tell you how their favourite missile can flip and go between 2 mountains to shot another down

[@perennialE]

It's great for algorithm engagement, I encourage all the "[favorite missile] is S tier you're so dumb" comments (Plus my like to dislike ratio is the same as any other video so I know I'm doing a good enough job hehe)

[@Miratesus]

Arent the Phoenixes both underperforming by quite a lot? That's what the nerds on the forums say.

[@perennialE]

They're underperforming in the same way every missile in the game is underperforming; missiles aren't models with dual axis maneuverability. That being said, I dont trust Gaijin to track the rotational direction of every missile in the air to see if they can turn with both sets of fins without absolutely dumpstering the server load.

[@Bumblebee-js5uu]

Also I’ve hit the phoenix at 5 miles before

[@Null24]

As a france main,i play the m2k over the f16am for the sole reason that despite prefering the missile kit of the F16AM more, the MICA is super good. Whenever i try BVR with the amraam, it's about a 30 percent hit rate. But firing at close range,much higher. The MICA also is iirc one of the fastest accelerating ARH missiles, and combined with the 50g thrust vectoring its an absolute MENACE at sub 10km, which is where i find the most success with ARH missiles

[@Loudward__]

I prefer f16 am

[@logannicholson1850]

Putting anything below the R-77 is actual clown behaviour. Yes the aim-54 is worse stat wise than everything else but it’s also significantly lower in BR. Every other fox-3 is significantly better in different ways, everything except the MICA has better range and better energy with the MICA has significantly better agility and far better tracking, also all of these missiles except the R-77 has a far better radar and aircraft they are being launched from meaning the R-77 is at a disadvantage before it’s even launched

[@ukbestYT]

Wear is the Aim120b the tornado f3 late and seaharrier frs2 has the 120b

[@perennialE]

120b is an identical copy paste of the 120a

[@barnabashaller5598]

Hi I've been using the aim 54's lately and in my opinion those have more range than the AMRAM but with less manuverability so to anyone who's using the aim 54 you much more likely get kils if you're at high altitudes and at like 30 ish km's from target.

[@Null24]

@@barnabashaller5598 the aim54 does not have more range in your opinion, it just has more range. It reaches out to 80-100km depending on altitude and speed, which the amraam just can't get to

[@Bumblebee-js5uu]

I’ve aced off both aim 54s also the aim 54c tracks better

[@camtall9524]

the micas range isnt as good as the 120s but its still very good, it can still be used in long-range BVR unlike the r 77, the mica and r 77 are not comparable

[@ovrwrldkiler]

The main advantage is that it feels like the mica gets to target really quick on the clos-ish range shots. It still has lots of drag so it slows down once the booster dies, but that initial sprint it hauls ass. Basically anything in HMS ranges, the mica slaps

[@camtall9524]

@@ovrwrldkiler magic 2 but radar and more range and even more G`s

[@SorataZT]

R-99

[@STRYKER1467]

You forgot the AIM-120B

[@The_Grand_Autismo1]

Both are identical in game so it doesn't matter

[@STRYKER1467]

@@The_Grand_Autismo1 same with SD10 and PL-12 and still they are both in the video.

[@VEX_INC]

What about the AIM-120B on the Tornado?

[@perennialE]

All AMRAAM models in game are copy paste right now

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

4:11 is incorrect but you want to make the fakours seems overpowered to fit your narrative. They're also still phoenix seekers which means any chaff after 89 degrees will fully decoy the missile until you require the lock. Their pull is nothing like AIm-120s and they leave a massive smoke trail behind.

[@Rageaben]

Any of those problems I have not experienced yet with the fakour-90. I can hit people within 6 miles with that thing. I just love the fakour-90.

[@perennialE]

Literally have the datamine stats in front of me, there is no narrative

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@Rageaben Yeah because they were facing you.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@perennialE Well what you're doing by making them seem overpowered will encourage the plane to be moved up without the needed utility to face full top tier.

[@Rageaben]

@@mikeyplayzwrld Even when they try to get rid of it, it still hits most of the time.

[@Rageaben]

I have had no problem with using the fakour-90. I could use that thing within 6 miles (9 kilometers) and still kill players. In my opinion the fakour-90 is the best fox-3 in the game.

[@perennialE]

Valid opinion, the Fakour 90 is awesome

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

You're delusional

[@rodneycook3674]

I think this was made with outdated information. A Russian guy has a good comparison video of all the missiles on graph at altitude and sea level. I’d check that out.

[@pogotf]

What video are you referring to?

[@rodneycook3674]

@@pogotf m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXykg5Sdq72Jqac

[@yuanfurbax]

the R-77-1 could easly be added when the f18 is added. the aim120a has more range than the R-77-1 so the f18 shouldn't get the aim120c5

[@fqeagles21]

Nah if u add R--77-1 the C5 Is a must,since the B Is just a Better seeker

[@yuanfurbax]

@@fqeagles21 and why? why does the 10 spamraam carrier need a better missile when the worst is already the best ingame rn?

[@fqeagles21]

@@yuanfurbax because if u update a nation the other needs to be updated too,also because IRL was the same

[@yuanfurbax]

@@fqeagles21 thihs game is about ''balance'' i'd be fine if the f16 and f15 got the aim120c5 but the f18 not. unless they remodel the MiG-29SMT and Su-27S/M FM and nerf the f18 fm

[@fqeagles21]

@@yuanfurbax F-18 Will be nerfed as usual being not russian don't worry

[@Jas-39C-Gripen]

Where tf is rb 99

[@evangalinsky2499]

It's literally a 120A/B. There is absolutely no difference, even in real life. Since he included the SD-10 AND the PL-12, which in real life are also exactly the same just named differently, I agree it probably should've been included, if you're gonna do one, might as well do the other. But on the other hand, it is just an AMRAAM, so you know where its at on the tier list.

[@Jas-39C-Gripen]

@@evangalinsky2499 a

[@Jas-39C-Gripen]

@@evangalinsky2499 ok

[@perennialE]

Honestly forgot about Sweden But yeah it's just a licensed AIM-120B which is identical to the A.

[@Skinny6539]

@@evangalinsky2499wrong

[@iiimom8411]

I wonder where the r-27ea would place, I feel like it would be better than AMRAAM but I’m not sure. I’m also not sure if it would be better at long range than the fakour because of the sustainer.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

Problem is that it would be a paper missile, it was never built.

[@perennialE]

R-27EA is between AIM-120B and AIM-120C-5 performance

[@Kanonenwind]

​@@jacobbaumgardner3406We're soon getting to a point at which some paper planes and air equipment become almost inevitable for Russia. The only upgrade left that they actually adopted is the K-77, which is only used on the Su-57. So the options for upgraded Russian ARH missiles in between are: - The R-27EA, which is a paper design, but the more conventional one and would better slot in with the other nations - The R-77-PD, which uses a ramjet and was at least built as a prototype, but would probably have to come on the Mig-1.44, which itself was never finished The alternative is for them to just take the Germany approach and say "should have built better equipment IRL!", and I don't see that going over well with the big Russian fanbase.

[@mujtam]

I skipped the entire thing

[@perennialE]

Death by 1000 games of Air RB

[@zaidhunts4170]

Ge for wt is it only for android?

[@perennialE]

Yeah. I asked them if they were ever going to make an iOS app and they said no (probably because Apple takes a higher cut of sales)

[@zaidhunts4170]

@@perennialE wanna swap phones?

[@theironwolf1871]

Doesnt the SD-10 IRL have a shorter range then the pl12

[@perennialE]

Yes. The PL-12 in War Thunder is nerfed down to SD-10 stats.

[@qbz95love]

In the game, gaijin is just Ctrl+C+V.

[@Fr3ddyFazbear87]

Does GE for wt work?

[@perennialE]

Gaijin said it themselves that it works and fits under TOS

[@Fr3ddyFazbear87]

@perennialE k, I might check it out. Thanks

[@makotoyuki2199]

Mica-EM in only A tier is crazy, I was watching gameplay of a friend of mine using it and we both were stunned when we saw their MICA literally do a 180° and hit a target at close range

[@Null24]

If it's a short range tier list, yes MICA is easily the best. I've done the same 180 degree shots in test flight, but this is an all around tier list. And, hate to break it to you, but the mica has the WORST energy retention over range out of ALL of the arh missiles, meaning it has the shortest range out of the fox 3s. That's why it's A tier.

[@Skinny6539]

@@Null24youre brain dead

[@Bumblebee-js5uu]

I can tell you don’t have top tier

[@perennialE]

How would the portraits be white instead of red if I didnt own them 🤔 I'll let you ponder that one

[@Kosmo2]

9B >

[@pit_55]

What about aim 120b

[@jfv2312]

In game it's totally identical to the AIM-120A. I don't think there were many differences irl either, mostly just different electronics to allow different pre-programmed flight profiles.

[@fqeagles21]

​@@jfv2312different seeker irl, It means a lot bit gaijin refuse to update it

[@MarkDrisch]

Fakour is the best missile in the game. Period. The end.

[@dsg4500]

💀

[@RockSeller01]

Almost can't argue. Thing kills me almost more times than the other fox 3s. You can multi path them and still get hit by the splash

[@Rageaben]

Fr easily the best fox-3. Like within like 3 to 4 miles no. But like the closest you can use those things and still hit them is within 5 to 6 miles

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

You're not even making a valid argument you're just spewing garbage. The Fakour isn't better than most of the Top Tier fox 3s and that's just the truth.

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@RockSeller01 Holy skill issue. Use your eyes and fly away and they virtually cannot hit you.

[@ChaosDeere007]

Review to the app you advertise. I got about 500GE in a Month and then figured out it is infact not a service suported vy Gaijin ant therefore against TOS. But I like the Video.

[@perennialE]

Gaijin has said themselves that it operates under TOS, so you should be ok. I even asked Smin about it directly.

[@amazingjarl7147]

honestly, using the newer fox 3s within 9km is so much better than a 50/50 when going high alt giving the enemy ample time to notch and defeat your missile

[@j100j]

And doing that allows you to not get really close, making my strategy of shooting ir missiles at around 1km headon impossible.

[@rodneycook3674]

Then the MICA is for you. It hits the fastest at 10km

[@noamax1]

No way u put derby so low this thing is fast asf its have the range almost like aim 120 and its pulls hard asf like r77 (ik its 40 gs but very high finns aoa)

[@kizvy]

people calling the mica s tier are insane

[@garrettobrien5197]

50G thrust vectoring. Good range. Yea. It’s S or A

[@Bigflavius]

@@garrettobrien5197 Good range where my brother, unless you're like above 10km high, anything above 15~12km is impossible to hit with MICA(unless is basically an AFK bot flying in a straight line), micas are great under 10km in a somewhat head-on but outside that is just no, even R-77 has more range(fair point R-77 is the second worse on the range department but still)

[@garrettobrien5197]

@@Bigflavius I’ve had good success at like 10-25kms. I fly low and fire up at people. It seems to work for me

[@Bigflavius]

@@garrettobrien5197 20KM while flying low is just Skill issue from the enemy since it takes at best case scenario at least 18 seconds(all with your RWR screaming at you) to the MICA to cover this distance this assuming a head-on or somewhat head-on and that the enemy don't maneuver at all, but in my using of it it works very very good from 10km or under

[@garrettobrien5197]

@@Bigflavius oh 100% it works good at close range. I’m just saying I’ve been doing well either it a little further. It’s a solid missile. The range is definitely lacking compared to stuff like the AIM-120 or PL-12 though

[@zaceadricnalupa93]

They all F tier because they take NO SKILL

[@Frogg-YT]

i want to talk about the tomcat fox-3s because its important to me the 2 pheonixes at the br of 12.3 and 12.7 are s+ tier but compared to other missiles ig c is fine fakour 90 compared to other fox-3s is lowest s tier but at 12.3 its top of s tier, no arguement

[@perennialE]

Tier for tier the Tomcat is S tier, fox-3 vs MiG-23ML is just not fair

[@noamax1]

Derby is better then the pl12 pls never rate again

[@rodneycook3674]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXykg5Sdq72Jqac This is updated graphs for the missiles at range and altitude

[@perennialE]

I'll make sure to take a look so I can be better informed

[@rodneycook3674]

@@perennialE I wish he did a 5km graph because that is about the average

[@bpop2148]

Why are you not grading them by battle rating? The Fakour 90 is S tier at 12.3. If you did a tier list on early radar missiles they would all go into F-C? But at their BR’s some are really decent, like the R-3R for example

[@perennialE]

Grading them by battle rating is a lot more subjective, and you get situations where the AIM-9B is at 8.0 but it's also at 10.7

[@bpop2148]

@@perennialE You would rate the 9B at the lowest BR is it available or where it is most used. Ofcourse most of the fox-3 missiles are around 13.3-13.7 but there should atleast be made an exception to the Fakour-90 since it is even better than the aim-120 when it comes to range and speed AT A WAY LOWER BR.

[@Goof-220]

Queef

[@mcshit4205]

As a mentally deranged France main I am going to to unspeakable acts due to such a faulty opinion. Especially as you haven't used it and the amraam is S

[@bananasticks1071]

MICA-EM is S tier...

[@mcshit4205]

Best opinion I have seen in this comment section

[@Null24]

@@bananasticks1071 depending on how you use it. Bvr only? Worst ARH missile in game. Near BVR? pretty good, about on par with everything else. Close range? Absolute demon time

[@rocket_ride]

Rb99 is worse than the aim 120 :clueless: 😅

[@mikhailjairnisbett441]

The mica is absolutely S tier, it's an R-73 combined with an R-77. you can launch at 0 airspeed and it will make 90+ degree turns.

[@noamax1]

But bad range

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

Sd10 and pl12 at s tier but r77 and mica at a tier is just criminal

[@Akuma_Z]

I will add that aam-4 have almost x2 of tnt compared so it have much less "Hit"

[@Akuma_Z]

And the fakour is S tier because of its BR and tnt(with that much of tnt even when you lower than 60m it can crit plane)

[@perennialE]

I didn't know that, but I guess that makes sense because it's based off the Sparrow size

[@RyanRothermel-ix4bx]

Should I grind Germany for mig29g or Russia for su27 and mih29smt

[@coolT21323]

Mig29g sucks because you only get matched against aamrams while not having the capability to fight those.

[@aiden717]

@@coolT21323 that majority of mig29 G games are downtiers

[@RedTail1-1]

​@@aiden717maybe for you. It's different for everyone. Whenever I would fly the MiG-23ML back before the BR changes I was uptiered literally every single match. 200 matches at 12.3 with only 3 matches at 11.3 while everyone else would say they mostly fought at 11.3 or got downtiers.

[@perennialE]

Russia. Germany is pain.

[@thegoldenwind707]

MICA rank A :skull:

[@-Hari-03]

its goated fr

[@KausBumsen]

LOL MICA is SSS. it's the silliest and most fun missile, and you can do some really dirty things with it.