Ranking Every Player Going to Masters Madrid by Role...

[@mahib5427]

Wow caunzin lower than sacy is crazy I think caunzin should be top 3

[@NerdChannelBrasil]

yeah overall yeah, but if this just based on kick-off only, than Sacy was better.

[@josebenitte9344]

Bro he put something over the sacy and cauanzin on iniciator list really non sense. He probably dont watch americas. He is pacific and china lovers.

[@JKonYT]

this was more based off of Kickoff performance for sure. Sacy was absolutely insane and is one of the best pure initiator players in the world. This group got a little iffy though bc of the top two who could argue be in other roles. cauanzin on the other hand I was disappointed in his performance and didn't like his perma-Breach. He's good on the role but he was better on other initiator agents last year so I expected him to do more work.

[@JKonYT]

@josebenitte9344 that one for sure can be brought up into question. The something stipulation which I admit is unfair is that I considered his Jett play as well, which again is unfair in a pure initiator conversation, but with the roles cooked for some of these teams, it's hard to have a direct one to one matchup. Also Americas is my most watched region as I did costream most of the matches live

[@658639613]

Cauanzin " poor performance" 1.01 vlr rating F0rsaken "best flex" 1.00 vlr rating

[@boon_fps]

poor performance compared to past year genius

[@sonusmeister2325]

Bigger agent pool too...

[@boon_fps]

@@sonusmeister2325 thats the teams fault tho

[@JKonYT]

I think it also depends on optics as well. cauanzin is a world class player, proved it last year multiple times, especially at Champs. Because he has proven he's done so well, his switch to Breach and not putting as big numbers, as well as Loud not being as dominant as they were before left me a bit more disappointed with his performance. Also initiator players got pushed down a bit bc of the top two in that category as they could fit in another role technically. f0rsakeN's numbers weren't as good as we're used to either for sure, but the depth of his agent pool that allows PRX to play their playstyle and being able to take over maps when needed is an important factor when comparing against the 7 other players in his category (flex)

[@misterme1134]

VLR Rating is arguabely the worst thing to judge player performances by as told by many pros and analysts.

[@UlvaNosa]

Dude is randomly ranking, 1st team in Emea but 3 player at 7. My man is high asf

[@sarthaknaithani2348]

the KC guys will surely be underated until they are proven to be the best

[@JKonYT]

stealing from a comment I posted elsewhere: As for some of the rankings of the individual players I could def be underrating them, but when I look at them I see an extremely well oiled machine that clicks and works together, like 5 fingers on one hand. Sure individually the pinky, ring, and middle fingers aren't as strong as some other teams, but as a whole the hand is so strong and dominant. I think if I were to look back I think my rating of sh1n might be too low but by the eye test and looking at their numbers, results, strength of region, etc their players may not be the best individually but they have such a wonderfully built system that it overrules a lot of that individualism, eg why I think KC can take the Madrid trophy along with SEN and LOUD.

[@NotedAlurr]

I dont know why people are complaining about John being 5th. I know this is based on kickoff but its idiotic to not consider the past performance of the others in this list. John does look really good right now but still its just the start of VCT we still need to see how he and the rest of SEN will do for the rest of the year before we complain about their players ranked lower than you sen fans think they should be. This also counts for TH and KC let me repeat yes they look really good from kickoff but upsets are possible and one tournament especially regional ones doesnt mean they're the best. They make look like it but only time and results, performance, and consistently for the rest of the year will only tell. For example EG, NRG, Loud, C9 in 2023 EG looked bad in the regular season but they won champs and Loud didnt made out of groups in tokyo and NRG didnt make it out of groups in champs and C9 bombed out of LCQ. So quit yapping and crying and wait for the rest of the year to see the performance of every team.

[@evif9377]

thank you for common sense. Sen fans live in alternate realities smh

[@JKonYT]

I love your take, this is really reasonable and aligns with a lot of my own thinking and analysis. No one on the list is bad. You don't make an 8 team international event and be one of 40 players to compete out of a pool of at least 220 players and be bad. SEN also arguable have the most time and reps together as a team as they got to complete their roster 6 months ago and competed in every third party event they could get their hands on. Also having more rounds played than the other three teams in Americas playoffs combined means we've seen more of them too.

[@JKonYT]

that's the best part of fandom though imo and I love seeing people defend their players and teams. Everyone has a bias, myself included

[@NotedAlurr]

​​@@JKonYT well for me as a PRX fan having multiple heart attacks and could probably use a heart transplant if they choke again its a normal day. No need to defend we know our team is full of trolls

[@prxtryhard9683]

Kangkang should be #2 after zekken Cauanzin too low Tenz > mindfreak currently decent list but you should take in account international experience also , texture was insane but he has not shown anything internationally whereas kang kang the most experienced duelist here who farmed CN is 2 below him

[@yukiotsutsumi]

correct

[@FleintZ0]

I think that KangKang in second is high bcause its not like he had 2 or more years of international experience . Its just 1 year difference and like the other one are better than kangkang right now but u can put kang kang at #3 but #2 i think its to high

[@JKonYT]

I think KK is really good, I also think he has extreme highlights and showmanship, the only problem that I have is that he still continues to overheat, overpeek and what not. Not say that he hasn't gotten better but he has lost his team rounds because of that. He is the most experienced one for sure and could be in the top three. TenZ on Omen > mindfreak sure, rest of the controller pool, not so much t3xture gets a high rating for me because of the pool of duelists from the region. He was one of best spanning the most rounds played and kept up that ridiculous form throughout the tournament. Not to say KK didn't put up numbers in CN, he def did, but CN also has really strong duelists in the region, eg FengF, stew, Kai, TvirusLuke.

[@kanteinho3215]

That's embarassing to rank 5-8th the players who won the emea kickoff and against fnatic

[@JKonYT]

stealing from a comment I posted elsewhere: As for some of the rankings of the individual players I could def be underrating them, but when I look at them I see an extremely well oiled machine that clicks and works together, like 5 fingers on one hand. Sure individually the pinky, ring, and middle fingers aren't as strong as some other teams, but as a whole the hand is so strong and dominant. I think if I were to look back I think my rating of sh1n might be too low but by the eye test and looking at their numbers, results, strength of region, etc their players may not be the best individually but they have such a wonderfully built system that it overrules a lot of that individualism, eg why I think KC can take the Madrid trophy along with SEN and LOUD.

[@jeffeyL]

this did not age well

[@niklas2647]

cauanzin that low is insanity bro, usually love ur rankings and stuff, but this is ur first Big L ive seen

[@JKonYT]

initiators as a whole was tough to rank as the top two could be argued as flex players or fit in another category. cauanzin is a world class player and that's why I had him so low because I didn't think his Breach play was as impressive as his other agents in the past where he has shown excellence. If you want to go the stats argument, he was the best Breach from Americas but the other initiators played more of them and put up comparable or better numbers

[@kadekkurniadi3539]

elon musk pls buy all the player tier 1 in this tierlist and make valorant esport team GGez

[@JKonYT]

i hope he reverts twitter back to twitter first

[@FunnyGames1231]

How can Team Heretics lose against Karmine Corp when all of their players are better rated ? Isn´t it strange ?

[@MoshiroMozyHaruto]

I think the reason why Team Heretics lost against karmine corp is because how each player personaly the a lost, because of the momentum that they had, once they lose a map all of the momentum is just gone and becaus of that team heretics perform less than they should be

[@evif9377]

You can have a team full of great individual players and you can have a great team with good players. It really depends on the coach and IGL imo

[@JKonYT]

I think outside of GF you have to consider how well and dominant TH were looking throughout the tournament. They were 6-0 in maps coming into GF and only losing 47 rounds total. They did crumble in the GF and that's something I highlighted in my pickems video where once TH started losing momentum and confidence, KC took over completely and the inverse was shown in their first match up in groups. As for individually vs as a team for KC, I'll steal my own comment: As for some of the rankings of the individual players I could def be underrating them, but when I look at them I see an extremely well oiled machine that clicks and works together, like 5 fingers on one hand. Sure individually the pinky, ring, and middle fingers aren't as strong as some other teams, but as a whole the hand is so strong and dominant. I think if I were to look back I think my rating of sh1n might be too low but by the eye test and looking at their numbers, results, strength of region, etc their players may not be the best individually but they have such a wonderfully built system that it overrules a lot of that individualism, eg why I think KC can take the Madrid trophy along with SEN and LOUD.

[@JKonYT]

TH also weren't really tested until that point, outside of FUT and Sunset vs NAVI every map hasn't been that close

[@AlexSecret]

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[@NerdChannelBrasil]

Zekken is the best duelist in Madrid, not in the World. Aspas still exist.

[@JKonYT]

great argument right there. aspas is still an absolute beast and put up insane numbers as well. I think if LEV were here and played well in their playoff matches, aspas could easily claim that spot

[@ayman4662]

Putting John at 5 is Wild

[@prxtryhard9683]

as a sentinel only , it's fair

[@ayman4662]

@@prxtryhard9683 but bro that is his main role 😭

[@Prasheel0]

As a sentinel main he’s good at 5 But as a team igl he must be on top 3

[@ayman4662]

@@Prasheel0 but as a sentinel he is better than Benjy and Chichoo, I say that bcs I watch all of their vods and streams

[@Prasheel0]

@@ayman4662 it’s bcoz the support he receives from his teams and good comms.

[@sonusmeister2325]

Putting something over d4v4i as initiator is just weird lmao...

[@JKonYT]

yeah definitely weird for sure, but that's something we've seen really rise this year with so many people playing multiple roles, that the Flex/Initiator/Sentinel roles are all blurring together. d4v41 hasn't played initiators yet this year, being only on Omen and Viper which is why I pushed him more towards the Anchor position than initiator.

[@Ke_Deng]

I still dont see my name

[@JKonYT]

see you on stage

[@user-yg1hu6bo3y]

Bro disrespected EMEA so badly

[@JKonYT]

the EMEA teams are great as a whole, but this is based off of individuals in a specific category. no one on the list is bad as you don't get to be one of the forty representing out of 220+ without being good.

[@JKonYT]

also part of the question marks around EMEA especially is that most of these players are untested on the international stage. Not to say that they won't perform or be of the best at this event, but that's a factor that also played into my rankings as I considered pedigree and experience as well

[@FelipeL.Morais]

Ranking players based on their rating has just no sense, like, LOUD players doesn't have the best rating but they still make it to 2nd place in Kickoff using one composition base in like, 4 different maps. If rating really matters i can say that Mwzera is the best player of Americas League, cause he had the best stats in kickoff...

[@JKonYT]

it's not purely off of their rating although it is a factor in my placements. LOUD may not have the best individual numbers, but you can't argue that they aren't an amazing team, which I never said that they weren't. But when comparing against other players in the same role, ratings and stats do have to play a factor into it, as well as how did the team look, were they more as a unit or more individual, was the region weak overall, were their opponents good, etc etc. You also highlighted a problem within LOUD comparing to other players, they played the same comp and same agents, which makes it harder to compare to someone who played more agents and more comps and put up similar numbers across the board. We know that all of Loud's players (maybe except qck at this point) are all world class players and have proven it across the board. Individually they may not have had the best stats, but as a unit they are hard to discount as a title contender.

[@misterme1134]

Nowadays almost every player is playing 2 roles which used to be considered flex so its kinda weird to rank players by role now

[@JKonYT]

hundred percent! but that shouldn't stop us from having a fun discussion (:

[@misterme1134]

Agreed @@JKonYT

[@yeyeyeeyee]

Good video and good list ! However I really do thing Something is criminally overrated, yes his highs and clutches are incredible however its very common for Something to kinda overheat and his downs (which are actually often) are really quite bad and let him look like a pretty mid player atleast for me. Whatsoever u got my Sub, I really like this kinda content !

[@JKonYT]

Great perspective on something. I agree with you, he definitely has some big lows for sure, and he didn't look that comfy at the beginning of the Kickoff stages imo. He was whiffing a lot of easy op shots if I remember correctly. I think my placement of him is a bit skewed though because of his ability to play Jett and that's a bit unfair in a pure initiator conversation, but I thought his Gekko was really good, but as a whole PRX don't look as coordinated as they used to and it comes down to a lot of individual plays which something does pull out but you could argue it wouldn't get to that point if they were more consistent. Thank you for your support nonetheless and your perspective. I love hearing what you all have to say

[@pjp1117]

PRX fan? 😂

[@JKonYT]

I am a known Paper boy, but outside of that bias, their players are individually very very good and put up insane numbers. Where they fall short was their team coordination as they won a lot of rounds out of heroics from their players. they also have pedigree from making multiple international events and having deep runs so their core is trusted and proven.

[@bemo343]

whats up gamers

[@JKonYT]

what's up gamers

[@pshkenzo7973]

i think cauanzin should be Higher considering as an initiator his vlr rating maybe be low but his first blood success rate while setting up his duelist surpass everyone except keiko who had an bonkers kickoff but fell off shortly and also considering he only played breach his util is also good dayum good might be the best breach player out there. sacy is good but i think in kickoff cauaunzin proved he has successfully gained sacys position at loud

[@JKonYT]

he definitely has an argument to be higher and has proven that he is a world class player. I think he has the best Breach in Americas for sure and you highlighted his FK/FD which tbh I didn't look at as carefully as I should have in this case but it's actually insane. I said this in other comments but for the initiator category I think it's skewed a bit because the top two could be considered flex players or other roles depending on how you rate it. I also said that I kind of was expecting more from him because we've seen him put up those ridiculous numbers consistently, and you could blame it on LOUD playing the same comp and putting him on Breach but the other pure initiators in the category ahead of him did quite well on multiple agents and I had to take that in consideration.

[@-quality8190]

THE HAIR STYLE CHNAGE IN INTRO IS FUNNY ASF

[@saivishnupokala3441]

Did the same thing like woahhhh hahaha

[@JKonYT]

high key my headband fell off while I was filming and I said fk it and kept it in lmaoo

[@klavsreinisozols1714]

I'm surprised nobody started to flame you because MiniBoo and Boo is Lithuanian not Latvian :D

[@JKonYT]

BROOO I TOTALLY BEEFED THAT! IDK why Latvia was on my mind at the time but Lithuanians are eating good rn fr fr. Boo, Miniboo, ceNder, nukkye (rip), Destrian (rip), Tingus Pingus for the Celtics, but ty for the call out fr I def messed that up

[@gobbyvalo]

hard to say since PRX roles are cooked, but pretty sure they'd consider something to be their main duelist. he flexes onto gekko but monyet plays omen, viper, astra & more. edit: just saw the part where you discuss something playing more gekko this tournament then jett, but surely we cant just base them off of kick/off? because in that case there is no argument for f0rsaken being the best flex when PRX looked quite bad at kick/off. also even if something is an initiator, having him over sacy is insane

[@JKonYT]

yeah the roles were really cooked for some of the teams so it was hard to place them in specific categories. For eg I would say the something rating is definitely inflated by his flex to Jett when the other players didn't get as much consideration for that. My only problem was trying to fit Monyet, something, and f0rsakeN in their roles bc they move around a lot, but since Monyet had the most played rounds on Raze I figured I'd slot him in more for that main duelist role. A lot of my basis was their performances from Kickoff and what we saw a little from the past in terms of expectations. PRX for sure unperformed severely as a team, but individually they still looked insane and I think a lot of rounds were won based off of that individualism. Same can be said for a lot of these players at this tournament as everyone is insane. But when I compare them to the specific pool of 8 players that their ranking against I still put f0rsakeN on top out of everyone there. Initiators on the other hand is different argument for sure. I think purely initiator Sacy has been playing better than something and that should be reflected in the rankings but again I said that the Jett factor had a play here, which I admit is unfair.

[@daddyrage5879]

What is the basis of ur ranking?? Like the performance during kickoff or what?

[@NerdChannelBrasil]

Kickoff

[@JKonYT]

Performance from Kickoff; strength of opponents; strength of region; did they play multiple agents/roles (i tried my best to stray from this but it does bleed over); expectations of players/teams coming in; how did they fair in their regions vs trying to compare that to other regions; and the hardest one is comparing those who are semi in the role vs the pure ones (eg TenZ as Omen in controller vs tuyz or Karon); also primarily on individualism and less so on team success.

[@bemo343]

here me out, either Zeta or 100T win champs. Thoughts? Am I delulu?

[@JKonYT]

ooof that is a bold bold take for sure. Make it to Champs possibly, winning it? That is a little stretch imo, but let's break it down. For Zeta: I love the rookie pickups, yes they did struggle on some maps, but they also showed they have what it takes on others. I think they need to work on their gameplan and how they approach the game. They played just wrong imo, if you look at their Icebox game vs Secret was terrible with their defensive setup. I think working on fundamentals and getting the rookies more integrated is the way to go. Laz needs to step up a little more as I thought he didn't fry like he usually does, and Dep looks good back on main duelist which is what I was most happy about coming into the new year. They have a lot of work to do For 100T: I think they could make it to Champs. rn i have them maybe as the 5th team in the region, but they could try to take that 4th slot away from someone for sure. I love what they were doing with the Gekko and you can see the positive impact that Boostio already brings to the roster. Cryo's transition to controller has been really nice to see and I think his Astra was quite good. I think this team has a good foundation to really build off of and we got to see glimmers of it during kickoff. Sucks that they were in the group of death and didn't have that much time to put together the roster, but nonetheless they have a bright future imo. The only question mark I really have is Asuna. He is still inconsistent for me and I think their weakest link rn. If he can pick up his form, this team will definitely be dangerous.

[@omegaz9860]

underrated

[@JKonYT]

thank you appreciate it! anyone you think I'm overrating?

[@jatinmodi5203]

L Knowledge

[@JKonYT]

lemme know in what areas I can improve on and learn, I'm always looking to get better (:

[@sohanhtk]

tenz meat rider

[@Murameme]

johnqt 5th ? u fumbled

[@FleintZ0]

Sen fans Really live in an alternate reality

[@JKonYT]

Stealing my own comment: He didn't put up as impressive individual numbers as the other sentinels/anchors. You could argue he didn't need to because his team has so much firepower around him, sure. but in a head to head against other anchor players just focusing on that aspect of the game, the others showed more so far imo. If we took IGL into consideration, every single one of them should be near the top of their lists.

[@JonnyPitoco]

Loud done dirty as usual

[@JKonYT]

individually maybe, but I still think having two players top of the charts isn't doing someone dirty, esp when I expect the team as a whole to be a contender for the event. Team play does not = individual numbers/comparisons which is what this video is attempting to do, eg. look at KC placements vs how high I am on the team itself

[@JonnyPitoco]

@@JKonYT​​⁠​⁠ I just think cauanzin should be higher cuz in my opinion he’s the best breach in americas and zellsis on 3th while saadhak is 6th is crazy, saad does a LOT more for loud then zellsis does for sen. That said, I liked the video, even if I disagree w/ some opinions, Im brazillian so can be bias. Haha Continue o bom trabalho e boa sorte

[@JKonYT]

100% agree with you on cauanzin and his Breach, absolute beast on it and someone brought up in another comment his First Kill stats which I admit I overlooked a bit. I think the initiator category is a bit skewed as the top two could be argued as a flex or different role so that kinda pushes the pure initiators down a peg. As for cauanzin I think I was just a little disappointed as I expected him to fry as he's shown time and time again he's a world class player. Also since he was on perma Breach for the most part the other initiator players had more rounds on other agents and had good success/numbers and that def played a part in my ranking. In terms of a lot of intangibles/being IGL yes saadhak definitely does more for LOUD than Zellsis does for SEN, but I think that's also underselling Zellsis' intangibles as well. However, saadhak did struggle a bit throughout kickoff and using their stats as a metric to compare the two, Zellsis did perform better there. In this ranking I tried to stick more towards numbers/eye test/performance more so than factors like IGL/vibes guy etc. If I did IGLs, everyone of them would be at the top of their respective categories. obrigado e agradeço seu apoio

[@leoroman6415]

the dude you hate vct emea or what ( or just hate kc, they took down fnatic and TH) i dont know why you dont give them more than you give them

[@FleintZ0]

Its bcause They did not prove nothing just winning the kickoff doesnt mean u are the best of ur region . For example in americas many people consider Loud>Sentinels>Nrg>Leviathan>Others even though Leviathan lost in the group phase

[@JKonYT]

I actually love KC and been on the hype train for quite a long time, actually both rookie squads tbh. I'm one of the biggest Wo0t believers out there for sure. As for some of the rankings of the individual players I could def be underrating them, but when I look at them I see an extremely well oiled machine that clicks and works together, like 5 fingers on one hand. Sure individually the pinky, ring, and middle fingers aren't as strong as some other teams, but as a whole the hand is so strong and dominant. I think if I were to look back I think my rating of sh1n might be too low but by the eye test and looking at their numbers, results, strength of region, etc their players may not be the best individually but they have such a wonderfully built system that it overrules a lot of that individualism, eg why I think KC can take the Madrid trophy along with SEN and LOUD.

[@anniearres7430]

jkon i think your prx bias is showing

[@JKonYT]

we bleed a little paper out here

[@anthonykuehn7572]

I wouldnt put tuyz at 1 tbh karon and maybe even tenz is prob better to me

[@josebenitte9344]

Because u are a sentinels fan

[@guedessilva8458]

I don't think tenz supports his team as well as tuyz

[@JKonYT]

If we're talking about just Omen, I would agree, but I think the breadth of tuyz champ pool and how effective he is on each of the controller agents gives him a leg up. I highlighted it earlier but his assist numbers are insane comparatively to other controller players and if you watch the games, you get the feeling that a lot of Loud's executes and plans revolve around him and his smoke timings.

[@JKonYT]

TenZ has great support utility and I think his highlight is his on the fly smoke usage. He also dives in with Zekken as the second entry which is really really big and a lot of SEN's takes and retakes are predicated on TenZ's paranoia, but the value that Loud gets out of tuyz and his smokes/utility is so high for me when I watch their team that I rate it higher in terms of support

[@sohanhtk]

tenz D***rider spotted

[@al_4996]

Marten shut down miniboo in the finals

[@JKonYT]

KC had an incredible finals for sure, marteen is out of this world and the two rookie duelists are for sure the standouts for me. I think I was just very very impressed by Miniboo earlier on throughout all of their matches and TH didn't lose until the GF which is where we saw some cracks and weaknesses

[@gobbyvalo]

although i personally think patitek should be ranked above magnum, munchkin and maybe smoggy, I do respect that you (unlike lots of people) acknowledge that he's an incredible kayo and very good flex. i think he brings a good level headedness to a team of rookies along with calm comms and lots of experience and heretics should probably start him over w00t based off of that.

[@JKonYT]

I think flex is one of the hardest categories to rank, since so many players, especially in this new day and age, play so many different roles that "flex" is harder to define than say anchor or controller. I love him on TH though fr and think that he deserved his spot to play at Madrid for sure. But I'm also on the Wo0t hype train and been on it for awhile so you kinda have a SEN Zellsis/pancada situation coming up, but I still want to see Wo0t. I think pat being a veteran for these young guns is really important though and hope he stays as the 6th. The only downside I had for Pat was that although his numbers weren't great, his Viper was definitely one of the weaker ones. his KAYO utility usage for TH's set plans really set him apart, and I think if he played more agents that might've given him a leg up in the flex argument but again it's such a packed "role" that I have two of them moving over to initiator LMAO.

[@gobbyvalo]

@@JKonYT yeah I definitely see where you're coming from, the reason i commented so much is because this is the only video i've seen in a while where I agree with 95% of the takes so just felt like giving my input on the 5% lol, really good video man i'll be subbing & watching more o7

[@pareekshiths8364]

This guy is copes

[@JKonYT]

*huff* *huff*

[@sherwinll]

4 prx players in top 3 but they aren't favorites to win against edg or in kickoff in general (acc to u) ily man but make it make sense

[@FleintZ0]

Its because the individual os the players normally are better but they are having some issues other then the individuality

[@JKonYT]

Individually they are still some of the best players in their region, and have proven time and time again that they are world class players, at least the core four are proven. Their coordination as a team hasn't been that good and they've won a lot of rounds and games off of individual heroics more so than teamplay. This list is taking more into account individual matchups in the specific role rather than purely off of team success

[@sherwinll]

@@JKonYT Well you definitely convinced me more with this response, I do agree that prx is a team relying a lot more on individual plays, and I'm underrating them too early with just this one tournament. I think for me I see a big dropoff in prx's gameplan and form even if they qualified. I guess also with this logic I'd like to see some players like cauanzin be higher on the list, either way love your content man (even if sometimes I dont agree with your takes ofc its all subjective, all love!)

[@JKonYT]

@@sherwinll I'm always happy to have a discussion and conversation with people, imo the best part of this kind of content. PRX definitely underperformed and look a lot less coordinated than they previously have and that definitely is why I'm worried for them going into the tournament. Heroics may carry you but they can only get you so far. As for cauanzin, i think one of the problems is in that category the top two could be argued as flex players rather than initiators which push his rank down. I still think he's world class and has a great Breach, I think the other two main initiators above him and arguable number one put up better numbers on multiple initiators and were really huge for their teams always love, and much love (:

[@bqsst5206]

good content man! keep going

[@JKonYT]

thank you so much! appreciate it, and sorry for the late response

[@ZephYanezVal]

Nice tier list

[@JKonYT]

I am so sorry for the late reply, but thank you so much for the kind words! Love your work as well

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@@JKonYT shoot me an email. It’s in my about section.

[@wrekt2192]

Probably biased but it would put tenz 1st or 2nd in controller. He was the best omen in americas by a longshot and he had insane stats as a controller.

[@imjsun]

I would disagree Tenz is no where near the best controller but he is the best omen right now in the world. You can say the same thing about his old Jett. He was the best Jett in the world not duelist

[@evif9377]

how offensive considering other players such as mindfreak and Tuyz play every controller. Even Forsaken plays every controller. To be a great CONTROLLER you need to play all the controllers, not just one. Less is the best Viper player but he doesn't play all the controllers either. smh

[@williamsilveira6853]

Tenz was hitting shots, his util usage is great, but tuyz util is insane, feels like he is always involved in all the plays

[@JKonYT]

TenZ is definitely one of the best Omen players in the world rn, but I would say it's disingenuous to say he's the best controller when like other comments have brought up, other players play more agents in that role and are quite successful. tuyz and Karon for example play more agents that for SEN are covered by Zellsis.

[@caponebd7941]

@@JKonYTSure Tenz only plays Omen, but that isn’t a major factor for other players on the list. You don’t take points away from Less for only playing Viper. Neither negatively affect their team, because they have teammates that comfortably fill those roles.

[@utsavdhungel909]

How do you know these stats of all player

[@JKonYT]

VLR and thespike mainly. I tried my best to pull up everyone and compare them to the region they're in, their teams strength and trying to convert that in comparison to the other regions.

[@itsstorm_szn]

Honestly, the only change I would make is swapping Chichoo and JohnQT. I feel like his only particularly bad game was the Cypher on Ascent, where Zellsis confirmed was their first time playing him as a plug-n-play. I just feel like he is the whole reason they're so dominant on Split besides Zellsis masterfully controlling mid is that their defensive default almost never has to change because of John, which is insane. Just his overall consistency of 3rd-1st along with the difference in level of competition between Americas and China does impact how I look at the anchor/sentinel role more IG.

[@itsstorm_szn]

Correction, I would also place Tenz above Karon and Mindfreak in the same order. Tenz's on the fly smokes and omen flashes is at an extremely high level. I would honestly say that Tenz gets the most usage out of his Omen flash out of all players including Tuyz, but Tuyz has the actually deep Controller pool. Also, Tenz abuses timings and off angles on Omen to take fights, trades and positionings that nobody else really does.

[@itsstorm_szn]

Their 3-0 statline on Sunset is greatly due to how much Tenz conserves his Omen flash for late round retakes and a really good example of how his positioning to get kills in his way attributes to his team so greatly is the round 24 off angle 3k he got against NRG on Sunset. I don't think majority of people understood how crucial that hero play was due to the fact that crashies had Viper ult and even with their high retake win rate would heavily bring it into NRGs favor the moment Crashies ulted had they still been even in numbers or even if Tenz had only gotten one who wasn't Crashies.

[@JKonYT]

My main argument that I've had as to why I put john a bit lower was that although he didn't put up as big numbers as say the others in the category and that's a large part in his team having the fire power and not having to frag out every game to carry from his position, but the top three are all tested on the international stage and pedigree does play apart in my rating, and they had to carry for their team more so than john did. Not saying that he can't but he hasn't had to. I do agree that his setups and anchoring abilities are very good and he has brought up the floor of this team from last year. Now strength of region is definitely a big play in trying to judge how strong each player is, but if there is one thing I am confident in is that China has really good duelists and really good anchor players. I definitely could see john being above benjy as he does have a lot of intangibles though and like you said their defense doesn't work without his consistency. I agree with you on the importance of TenZ hero plays and you're right, he angles himself in places that most people don't traditionally go and I give that to his innate creativity and his time on Jett. His utility is great and on the fly smokes are excellent but I also think you might be downplaying the same abilities from these other players. Karon did a very similar strategy as SEN saving their flash for takes or retakes or to counter the enemy Paranoia. The limitation of this as well is that we're rating just his Omen in the category of controllers and the others above him shown a deeper agent pool while still putting up solid numbers on each of them. tuyz played 3, Karon played 4, mindfreak played 3 all at a high level. So it comes down to what you value higher, excellence on one or great on multiple. Also the other three are no slouches with their utility either, and a lot of their usage is based off of their game plans. Also that same position where TenZ got his 3k from was also a position d4v41 played on the Sage countering GenG's push into market. Not saying what TenZ did wasn't great and single-handedly won them the map, but it's not something completely out of the blue that no one has done before.

[@itsstorm_szn]

@@JKonYT Nah, for sure. The controller role is probably the closest when it comes to the top 4 and I definitely agree with Tenz's restriction to Omen really should bring him lower in terms of him being more of a flex then primary smokes except on the Omen which is why I didn't initially think I would place him higher and agree with the placings either way, him and Karon are definitely the two best Omen players in my eyes in the league right now but definitely see how for the role overall he doesn't have a good depth in the controller pool, so being so high on only one agent is great for now. Tuyz really surpised me with his increased personal macro and mechanical performance while he was already the most flushed out Harbor player last year but seemed to lose the moment at times last year. I'm honestly really hoping to see a GenG vs Sen matchup. Karon vs Tenz & Zekken vs Texture would be a really great matchup to see in the server.

[@itsstorm_szn]

@@JKonYT Also, I'm concerned that this format may be really bad for EDG and China overall. Other than Nobody becoming more coordinated and not relying on initiator lurk solo plays the rest of the team has kind of stagnated in internal competition. Both Wolves and FPX played them very closely, and in FPX's case they should've beat them 3-1 but threw their last two leads. EDG have never been able to beat an international team that was seeded higher than #3. With the only two exceptions being when they beat Loud during their struggling run at Tokyo where they did end #3 seed from Americas but weren't going into it, along with winning one BO1 against the new DRX lineup who are currently estimated 3rd or below in Pacific at the Ten Invitational.

[@imjsun]

Yeah your definitely not cooking with the Caunzin ranking he is definitely top 3 in the world with not only his consistent utilization but his aim and mechanics. I think Caunzin is arguably number 2 in the world

[@JKonYT]

cauanzin is 100% a world class player and proved it time and time again. I just thought his Breach performances weren't up to his usual standard as his other initiators and since he was on perma Breach most of the time I thought he had a dip in performance. This category also gets a little skewed because of the top two and their overlap with other roles so if you wanted a purely only initiator player list, then cauanzin for sure has a space at the top

[@imjsun]

​@@JKonYT appreciate the response and your pov on topic w video as always

[@JKonYT]

@@imjsunhappy to provide and always open for a conversation and discussion. also feel free to give me feedback and criticism as I do look to improve

[@imjsun]

@@JKonYT your doing great man i been watching for a minute and your also progressing bro keep it up

[@JKonYT]

@@imjsunappreciate your kind words, it means a lot to me

[@downbadxer0926]

Who let bro cook

[@JKonYT]

the lovely people at VCT who are providing us with wonderful and free content to discuss

[@boon_fps]

W video

[@JKonYT]

W commenter

[@tstargirl]

Tenz's role isn't controller, but flex, along with zellsis. Their coach has talked about how the different controllers have different abilities that suit different playstyles, and just because tenz has been on omen, doesn't mean he'll be the one to main the other controllers

[@FleintZ0]

Yeah ur right... Tenz didnt play controller HE PLAYED OMEN

[@JKonYT]

you're 100% correct, TenZ and Zellsis are both the "Flex" players for their team, I just had to pick one or the other in each category. With Zellsis also playing Viper, he also leans into the Anchor role position that is covered by john so you gotta pick what you can

[@arvindkadam6709]

John 5th?? You drunk or something?

[@FleintZ0]

If he consiedared IGL i would agree but he didnt, John is not pulling crazy numbers or Insane rounds

[@JKonYT]

drunk on life, John is an amazing player but if you're talking about individual numbers and performance, the others outdid him imo bc his team has so much firepower they didn't need him to take over games for them. if you want to add the IGL factor into, every IGL on my list should be near the top

[@yuri117_br]

Bro imagine a team with zekken, forsaken, narrate, less and tuyz

[@SufyaanDewan]

Tenz better than F0rsaken, N4rrate is a Great player but lacks Experience Of Sacy, Zekken Clears Less, Zellsis provides more Value than Tuyz. and there's an IGL like JohnQT that team you are imagining is so bad that it cannot be compared to Loud, Sen, KC, TH, GenG, PRX!!! if it is placed in Americas it would be around C9 or 100t level

[@s8ul_addicts_161]

@@SufyaanDewantypical sentinal fan with 0 esports knowledge

[@kau4u]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@SufyaanDewantenz is most definitely not better than forsaken, one thing valorant taught everyone is that experience is overrated (many many rookies that just dominate the so called “experience players”. zekken and less play different roles. Zellsis providing huge *value* TO *sentinels* does not = he will provide anywhere else. Yes John is nice.

[@prxtryhard9683]

@@SufyaanDewan tenz and forsaken dont even play the same role And forsaken is better than tenz , but based on current form both are equal

[@prxtryhard9683]

@@SufyaanDewan zekken clears less ? bro do u know their roles .... Zellsis and tuyz again are not the same role ....

[@ALTACC-e2h]

Best initiator sacy, best controller by far is Tenz idk how bro puts tuyz and all of these other players above him Jhonqt is easily better than dv1vi. every player on sen is atleast a number two and three

[@evif9377]

but Tenz only plays Omen - to be a top controller you have to be top tier with ALL controllers. Cuauzin is better than Sacy wdym?? and don't get me on JohnQT being better than Davai... Why are people so delusional smh.

[@ALTACC-e2h]

@@evif9377 who asked?

[@FleintZ0]

Sen Fans :

[@FleintZ0]

@@ALTACC-e2h Thats how u know all sen fans are Kids

[@ALTACC-e2h]

@@FleintZ0 what I can't hear you

[@gobbyvalo]

really well explained video, great takes i agree with most. i think would be better if gameplay from the matches were shown to give something to watch, but other than that no flaws :)

[@JKonYT]

thank you so much for your kind words and feedback. I def can look into adding more highlights but it does add a lot of time to the edit process and I'm hoping to get out more content faster, but I'll look to make improvements

[@Buy_YouTube_Views_Gain_Fame180]

you are going places fam!

[@JKonYT]

appreciate the support!