Ranking Every Sims 4 Pack on LGBTQ+ Representation 🏳️‍🌈

[@SimberPlays]

What should I rank next?

[@regishel]

There is an Asexual Flag in one of the houses in city living.

[@hannahevertson8306]

When I played a gay actor sim who had a husband and had taken in their niece and nephew he was constantly pared across from another guy in romantic scenes. I certainly appreciated that.

[@justadudewholikestotalk]

That’s nice but it’s also not realistic at all because that’s not how it goes lol. I’ve heard that usually gay actors don’t like it when they’re made to be gay in every movie

[@hannahevertson8306]

@Laura Goth Girl I would never expect it in real life. Like how I wouldn't expect an openly gay man to actually become a successful mainstream actor in real life as angering as it is that this won't happen. I'm just noting it seems to be weighted toward the romantic interest for an actor matching their apparent sexual orientation by the game. Further, I feel like in real life a part of that frustration is that it stifles their career and makes it harder to break into the mainstream as while quear movies are great they aren't widely marketed or known. I found the fact that my fake successful actor could be gay and play a gay superhero as the leading role at the height of his very successful career fun even if such a thing is a very long way off in real life.

[@cierpie8874]

57:40 I believe that the trailer for this pack shows Caleb flirting with both a male and a female sim, so many players consider him to be bisexual. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the actual game that depicts him as bi

[@SimberPlays]

Oh that makes sense!! I have never seen the trailer so that's why I wouldn't know. It kind of seems like they do that a lot honestly...I'm considering making a video about that.

[@UntamedSimmer]

I love Caleb, he's in a polyamorous relationship with my Simself, my Simself's boyfriend and his main forever love is Morgyn Ember(my most favorite) Cagyn Forever💕 We all have 4 way relationship lol🥰 but there are times when I just want Cagyn for myself 🤭

[@cierpie8874]

@@SimberPlays Yeah, I've noticed that the way they market some of the DLCs (especially recently) is straight up queerbaiting. Like the Modern Menswear and Carnaval Streetwear kits - they market it as some revolutionary gender nonconforming clothing, but it leaves much to be desired because there's little to no actual non-binary/trans representation in the game. Also they often put same-sex couples in the promotional materials (box art, renders, screenshots), but few of them are actually in the game

[@SimberPlays]

@@cierpie8874 Yeah I was going back and forth on whether I would call it queerbaiting, but you're right that for the trailers at least that's definitely what it is

[@cierpie8874]

@@SimberPlays honestly English is not my first language so "queerbaiting" may not be the exact phrase I was looking for. I mostly meant it as a mixture of false advertising combined with the fact that many queer identities are not represented as thoroughly as they should be

[@samilentrau1324]

Vampires annoys me because the flirty perk you can give your vampire sims only really works on the opposite sex, at least it used to work that way.

[@SimberPlays]

i've seen something about that! Kind of wanted to test it out myself

[@samilentrau1324]

@@SimberPlays I just thought the perk was broken because I was only trying it with homosexuals 🥲

[@AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHs]

with the sexuality update they now flirt with the same sex but you have to manually update all your sims romantic and sexual interests in cas

[@threetailedwhitefoxspirit1988]

even with the sexual orientation update?

[@vincent_alastor]

That one mermaid Sim is probably suposed to be two-spirit. Two-spirit is recognized as a third gender in Hawaii (afaik). Sulani is based on Hawaii.

[@validark]

Looked it up real quick and Two-Spirit is specifically a north american native term which is exclusive to certain tribes and is a closed culture thing Hawi'i does have a similar gender but its called Māhū (i cant find anything about it being a closed culture thing as well but i feel like it would be)

[@meldoesntwanttotellyouthei7012]

For base game you missed the “Portrait of a Marriage” having mlm and wlw swatches Also, I played as an actor for my legacy challenge and his love interest was always a guy The wishing well can give you a gay romance as well

[@SimberPlays]

Is there any way to influence if the wishing well will give you a gay romance or is it just random?

[@meldoesntwanttotellyouthei7012]

@@SimberPlays I don’t know, it might have something to do with the gender of sims you usually flirt with or something like that

[@SimberPlays]

@@meldoesntwanttotellyouthei7012 Yeah I have heard there is like a hidden trait for attraction that can develop based on who you flirt with (not sure if that's still a thing with the sexual orientation update though). Would be interesting if the wishing well relationships were based on that ooh i wonder if the new sexual orientation settings affect it

[@ABCQTBREB]

just say gay and lesbian man

[@manakete_smoocher]

Totally missed out on mentioning the rainbow umbrella in Seasons. Great video though! tons of fun to think about

[@SimberPlays]

Oh that's probably because I didn't know about it! I don't choose umbrellas much but I should go check that out Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@NervousNoah]

I also feel like rainbow umbrellas can be commonly found without the intention of a LGBTQ+ connection though, particularly in the pattern found in Seasons

[@manakete_smoocher]

@@NervousNoah The video had plenty of stuff included that wasn’t intended to be LGBT+ by sims team so I don’t see how that’s relevant

[@NervousNoah]

@@manakete_smoocher Yeah I see now that I watched more 😅

[@manakete_smoocher]

@@Mo0shii Did you even watch the video? There were plenty of non-LGBT items that just happen to have rainbows that were brought up for the ranking.

[@Sue_Rose]

So, the reason all of the base game lots have a gender neutral bathroom door instead of gendered ones, despite all the dlc worlds having gendered bathrooms, is because the gendered doors were added in an update a couple months after the game came out. Although I think recently they've stopped putting the gendered doors in lots.

[@ufoludDziad]

honestly, werewolves were the gayest pack they gave us because now we can make vampire and werewolf enemies to lovers

[@rayafoxr3]

I feel like listing the base game under ‘homophobic’ is taking some things for granted. Not in an insulting way, it’s totally fine! However, if you think about it, we could be in gay relationships, get married, adopt, even I’m pretty sure making kids from same sex couples could be done in CAS in the original base game. And sure we’ve had all that for a while in the Sims 4 franchise but it’s still content! Also I think it was added later but you can make trans sims! Honestly even the fact that’s sorta taken for granted makes me happy because it shows how far the community has come. Also I think one of the reasons there’s no pride protests or parades in City Living is because the Sims is supposed to be a utopia of sorts. From what I remember, all the protest signs and stuff are very vague on purpose, so adding homophobia and transphobia (even implied past homophobia and transphobia via pride) would sorta ruin that vibe. I do think other than adding canon queer sims, equality in gameplay, and a few things in CAS/BB is enough tbh. But more is always better! But I don’t think there needs to be a gay couple in every world considering many of them only have like 7 people and all. So personally I think most of the packs do a fine job, even though I agree the bathrooms and trying on outfits should be more equal.

[@SimberPlays]

hmm I guess I didn't really think of those things as being base game things, just something that's in the game overall. I was mostly looking at the CAS and build items that came with each pack, along with the premade sims, and there are no gay premade base game sims

[@SimberPlays]

and there wouldn't necessarily have to be a couple for a sim to canonically be gay. But there really aren't any base game sims I can think of that particularly give off queer vibes. Maybe Johnny Zest, but I think that's more from the storyline of being disowned by his parents than any particular queer coding for him

[@Andyatl2002]

The base game isn’t homophobic but is the gay content really that accessible or even meant to be obvious to someone new to this game especially back then, like I looked up trailers and it made no mention of the possibilities of a gay character like had I seen this back then I would assume it was straight just because of presentation. It’s worth noting a homophobic person could pick up a base copy of the Sims and never see gay content in the base game.

[@itsnoprobllama5363]

Personally I would still put it under homophobic for the inclusion of the straight/ally pride flag with the base game pride flags. I don't know if I really need to elaborate but they were supposed to be putting something in for us and instead of adding even more queer flags (for example none of the demigender flags are included) to have even more representation, they put a straight/ally one in? Did it really need to be there?

[@allyvaeeee42]

piercings and stretched ears should absolutely be base game 😭

[@CleitonLopesK]

There are some sims you left out, I've made a list of the ones you hid or possibly didn't know about. *Caleb Vatore* is Bisexual. *Guidry,* the ghost of the paranormal pack is Bisexual. *Vi Moradi* from Batuu she is asexual and aromantic. Also unfortunately most queer sims are only in the gallery. *Dana Adler* is a trans or non-binary woman. *Armand DiAggro and Bjorn Tu'Rock* are a gay couple, both are bisexual. *Kan Fetter* is probably non-binary. *Mia Hayes* and *Dela Ostrow* are a lesbian couple. *Hina Matsumoto and Niko Okada* are a lesbian couple used in promotional material for Snowy Escape. *Ross Valentin and Brent Hong* are a gay couple. Also, you mentioned in the video about the lack of queer teens, I know the High School pack hadn't even come out when the video was made, but luckily all the teens in that pack are queer. *Noah Kane* is gay. *Sidney Price* is Bisexual. *Savannah Price* is asexual. *Molly Prescott* is Lesbian. *Liam Beckett* (only found in the gallery) he is Bisexual and aromantic. *Ash Harjo* is Non-Binary. *Eloise Hiddlestix* is Lesbian. *Anjelo Morlind* é bisexual. There are also some sims that, although they have no confirmation, have some indication that they may be queer *Greta Laurent,* in several of her outfits, she has her nails painted in the colors of the Bi flag. *Minerva Charm* has a male voice, but I'm not sure whether that indicates she's queer. *Ava Harjo* is romantically attracted to men, and she is not exploring romantically. However, her WooHoo preferences are both men and women, I don't exactly where she fits in, but I believe she is somehow queer.

[@SimberPlays]

Thanks for the list! With Caleb Vatore I didn't see anything in game to indicate that he's bisexual, but someone else explained to me that he appeared bisexual in the trailer for the pack so that makes sense

[@nyx..z]

@@SimberPlaysim pretty sure his romantic orientation is women, and his woohoo interests are men and women

[@theanonymous.5940]

Is Ava a homoromantic bisexual?

[@user-pl9ek9du8p]

Outdoor retreat has got only one rainbow object and it got "could be gayer". Seasons has got many rainbow objects and they are "maybe if you squint". Rainbow mailbox! Come on. I think they should be exchanged 😄

[@rayafoxr3]

I think it’s because Seasons is an Expansion and Outdoor Retreat is a Game Pack! Seasons has more in general, so there’s higher standards for it.

[@Andyatl2002]

I think Seasons should get a special tier made for them limited by concept, or Seasons tier which I’d honestly put below everything because that should have been included in base game content

[@shineeshaymin]

I'm very happy about the pronoun and sexual orientation update, too bad that the pronouns are only in the english version, which is not really The Sims team's fault because, for example, portuguese and spanish are gendered languages, so everything has a gender, like "o livro" and "la bicicleta", you're using a male article to talk about a book and a female one to talk about a bike. We also don't have an equivalent for they/them because all the pronouns are gendered too, there are no neutral ones, so it's a problem for non-binary people and other people that don't like to use he/him and she/her pronouns. So, I would put grammatical gender in the homophobic tier haha Also, great video! KZbin recommended it to me and I'm glad it did 💚

[@SimberPlays]

Thanks for your comment! I agree grammatical gender definitely in the homophobic tier lol

[@oliversfever]

im literally so happy my language doesnt have gendered pronouns. its just "tema" or "ta"

[@nuotatorre8741]

Yeh I can't realy blame the Sims' team to not have put that in the other localizations. In italy we still can't agree on the best way to addess non-binary peopole, so it's motsly a case by case scenario untill we'll figure that out.

[@Nirax3]

@@nuotatorre8741 yeah it's the same in German, we have so many possible neo pronouns and don't get me wrong they're all valid if people want to use them but there is not yet a standard so most of my nb friends simply ask people to alternate she/her and he/him - don't think a game can really represent this. But a solution I can think of is maybe custom pronouns? Like you are prompted to enter a text for every grammatical pronoun? It's not elegant but it's the only solution I can think of

[@nuotatorre8741]

@@Nirax3 In Italy from what I've heard the most popular option is useing the 3rd formal person. Whenever we talk to with highterups we actualy use the 3rd person we would normaly use for femele nouns, however in a formal contex it's unisex so I've heard many peopole like to use that.

[@mysticsanta3714]

i thought the "it's on us" was a program to help prevent sexual assault. i'd also like the add that AJR wrote a song titled "it's on us" referring to this program and i personally really like it!

[@SimberPlays]

Ah I think I got that mixed up with It Gets Better!

[@cpmcomics8335]

The thing that really disappoints me about the base game is (apart from the lack of queer sims/couples), is that every queer feature is half finished. Like, they say you can have trans sims, but the only options are biological things, and there is no social aspect to it (like, if I had a afab sim, they could only be male with a female frame, or biologically male. There are no top surgery skin details, no binders…)The pronouns update is so bad too. They/them pronouns never work (my non binary sim constantly got misgendered, or the grammar of the pronouns was off, which proves they didn’t even test if the gender neutral pronouns work), and they basically gave up on adding pronouns to any other language than English (which pisses me off a lot as a Spanish person, even if I only play on English)

[@SimberPlays]

I totally agree! And they always say they'll update it later but then they don't. They just put it out half-finished and assume they'll get the good press and everyone will forget about it being broken or unfinished. It's really frustrating

[@lucienfortner841]

Thank you for acknowledging how unhelpful slogans like "It gets better" are. I'm a 35 year old trans man. Every job I've had since coming out has been abusive to me. Complete strangers get up in my grill while I'm out minding my own business because they see my pronouns on a pin or mask and think that's their cue to go be snotty and hostile to me about it. I still can't access the insurance I need to medically transition. And there aren't any trans-exclusive support groups in my city, even though it's one of the bigger and more progressive cities in my state. The only support group we have lets cis "allies" attend and the microaggressions from them make me not feel safe going back there. It didn't get better for me.

[@SimberPlays]

It sucks. I'm sorry 💙

[@meihoeffer8274]

In the base game, there is also a painting of a couple and some of the swatches have a lesbian and a gay couple

[@Rizzitriver]

Never realized how weird the townies could be...like how can he be attracted to the mom & the daughters??? Y'all, I can't, what - 💀

[@robinchesterfield42]

The sad thing about the Get to Work mannequins is that in Create a Sim, wearing whatever gender's clothes you want is now a BASEGAME feature! They just need to update that. We now have an expansion pack that's LESS advanced than the BASEgame. You have more freedom changing into magical free clothes at home, than you do with buying them from a store. --Ulrike and Maaike: "And they were ROOMMATES!" ;) But yeah, Ulrike definitely gives like, les goth vibes. I kinda want to hook her up with Lilith Vatore. --Well, now that we have science babies, Raj can NOT hook up with a nice GUY who is just his FRIEND, and still "carry on the family line" anyway! There, MOM, you have a grandchild! --Cats and Dogs has Brent and Brant, of course, and I once hooked up Catarina with a lady Sim in HALF an afternoon, so there's that. ;) --Oh yeah, mermaids DEFINITELY work as a queer metaphor. Discovering who you really are, hiding it, living two lives, metamorphosing...(See also: werewolves.) Their tails also flop out of every bathtub, which can kinda work as a LITERALLY "not fitting in" metaphor, or a "differently-shaped people should be accomodated too" thing. --The mixed-gender dorms: Yeah, my current legacy matriarch met her husband at her dorm. She flunked outta college, but found her soulmate. Who also turned out to be a werewolf. XD --I LOVE the characters and decor in Eco Lifestyle. I also put the rainbow sweater (pink version) on my '80s Sim. (I made decades as Sims. Because of course I did.) --Outdoor Retreat is one of the best packs, I feel, for tomboy/lesbian style. There's just a lot of sturdy, plain, practical clothing that everybody can wear. I haven't really used the actual camping stuff much, but I was kinda pleasantly surprised at how often I end up using the clothes and furniture. Put your female Sim in plain canvas shorts, stick her hair up in a practical, just-get-outta-my-face ponytail, and have her go clomping down the trail in heavy leather boots. Then she can sleep in a plaid bed hewn out of whole freakin' logs. XD --Spa Day would be the other way around--since everybody can pamper themselves and wear mud masks, it can be FAAAABULOUUUUUUS! Male Sims talking about their latest manicure and "You MUST try the so-and-so, dahling" would kinda fit with Spa Day. --Dine Out: The first time I make a restaurant, ALL my employees WILL be wearing either maid outfits or it'll be Catboy Hooters. I have decreed this. --Vampires are gay, werewolves are trans. FACTS. --Makin' Magic: Yeah, I noticed who your profile picture is, as soon as I clicked on this video. ;) Morgynn is...one of everybody's fave Sims. For good reasons. :) --Dream Home Decorator: For some reason, the first thing I did when I got that pack, was make an ace Sim with her outfit based off the asexual flag colors, give her a lovely lavendar kitty, and move them into the trailer in Strangerville. Where she now has to get information about the town secrets WITHOUT seducing the military people/scientists, as most players do. Tl;dr: Strangerville might not be _already_ queer, but I decided to make it that way. :) Spooky Stuff: I've always adored Halloween, the whole feel and atmosphere of it, etc. I also a few years ago figured out that I'm ace, not just a REALLY REALLY REALLY late-bloomer tomboy. These things are not unrelated. :) --"Is there a gay ice cream I don't know about?" XD Actually...I bought rainbow sherbet from the store the other day specifically BECAUSE it's June. Yep. (Also I like rainbow sherbet.) --Oh, Movie Hangout Stuff is Boho A. F. Gay I dunno about specifically, but psychedelic hippie den, DEFINITELY. --Romantic Garden Stuff lets _everybody_ wear flowery fabulous stuff regardless of their frame, so that's nice. --I love how your Spooky Stuff Sim kept getting annoyed at all the clothing piles THEY were actively causing. XD

[@calaneedoolittleodell3190]

On the note of Strangerville. There's nothing gayer than saving the world with your friends. But also the pack is homophobic bc I hate doing the boss fight, it's so tedious

[@RSiB-22]

You’re definitely reaching on a lot of these- first I don’t feel like everything rainbow = gay. Second I think you can’t really call “tattoos” or “piercings” gay

[@SimberPlays]

i did though

[@RSiB-22]

@@SimberPlays did what,

[@rayafoxr3]

Tbf they said that a lot of it would be based on “vibe”

[@RSiB-22]

@@rayafoxr3 still tho- like I don’t feel like piercings and tattoos can be grouped into the category of “gay”

[@Nirax3]

Maybe tattoos and piercings aren't inherently gay per se but they are part of queer culture / lots of queer people have them which means many queers are excited to be able to use them on their Sims so I think it's a fair point especially for a fun queer vibe video like this

[@arithecoolkid9837]

I know this video is old and I don't know if anyone has brought this up (I scrolled in the comments but couldn't find it), but It's On Us isn't about queerness at all. It's a campaign about stopping sexual assault. Obama was apart of the campaign, which gives you perspective that the campaign has been around for a while now. The shirt was in the game for a very long time, much longer then the pride related clothes.

[@SimberPlays]

huh I definitely got that mixed up with the it gets better campaign then. Unfortunately I'm not sure if it was really effective at dealing with that issue either, but that's good information to know

[@arithecoolkid9837]

Yeah no it's not very effective at all, it doesn't even raise awareness since people don't know what they're referring too. However, I suppose it was them trying to show support as big companies do, though not very effectively.

[@sirfloofish]

In the basegame, there’s also pride flag nails in CAS, idk when they were added tho

[@SimberPlays]

Yeah unfortunately they dont really work for a lot of sims so I didnt include them. I have a few short videos about that kzbin.infoTte2Ta9LGVE?si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[@sirfloofish]

@@SimberPlays Oh, didn't know that, but then it's understandable why you didn't include them ^^

[@maximumdinosaur]

Half of the households: *and they were roomates "

[@oliversfever]

a flannel/ plaid thing simber: "that's gay"

[@SimberPlays]

exactly lol

[@hi-vr7xi]

With the household stories thing on Johnny Zest married Don Lothario and they lived together with one of Don’s kids (he has a lot, that one is Katrina Caliente but he’s also got some with Mei Prescott and the other Calientes)

[@mattyhatty_72]

so glad im not the only one that gives headcanons to townies lmfao j huntington? gay. luna villareal? gay. kiyoshi ito? gay.

[@cool-sam968]

No hate but just cuz its rainbow dosent mean its lbgtq+

[@SimberPlays]

yes but we don't have much, so for a lot of packs that's all we've got

[@heeyyyricky]

You: Kiyoshi Ito has a crush on a woman Me, who saw him and immediately set him with my male sim: huh???

[@heeyyyricky]

If anyone cares they just got married and it was very cute

[@ifliahh]

can't believe this video isn't popular smh. i love it and can really see all the research put into this

[@SimberPlays]

Thank you! I am hoping the algorithm will eventually pick it up and show it to more people because sometimes it can take a while, but in the meantime I am glad the people who are watching it are enjoying it and it's really nice to get this feedback!

[@jj7h]

the pride flag in basegame is still pretty lackluster and missing some flags which is really unfortunate.

[@cpmcomics8335]

It also has some outdated flags (if I remember correctly, it still has the lipstick lesbian flag)

[@sirfloofish]

there’s 3 different lesbian flags, but no gay one lmao (it’s also the lipstick lesbian flag-)

[@something3119]

They recently updated it (I think) and they even have one of my flags (pangender) which is crazy but still no mlm

[@Ranixo286]

In the Pronoun/Sexual orientation update Caleb and Morgan are both Bi! And Morgan wears masculine and feminine styles.

[@rgg1009]

By the way, about the BFF, Travis is romantically only interested in men

[@SimberPlays]

oh cool! How do you know?

[@rgg1009]

@@SimberPlays ask about romantic preferences

[@SimberPlays]

@@rgg1009 ah did you find that out after he was romantic with one of your male sims by any chance? Because that can affect their orientation. They all start not particularly romantically attracted to any gender, but if your sim flirts with them they will become attracted to sims of that gender

[@rgg1009]

@@SimberPlays uh not sure, not sure at all

[@catsncrows]

When you have liberty and summer give up on travis and start their own thing. I never played that, no...

[@rhianv.]

i agree so much with catarina lynx potentially being queer

[@lilmisschrystyle3140]

The bff household may not have been intentionally queer in the slightest, but because I didn't want want to choose who should date Travis, I put the 3 in a poly relationship! They now have a teen daughter together.

[@readingdino711]

I wanna comment, but don't know what, so here's my most recent interaction with a canon sim. I recently played with realm of magic again and decided to change Morgan Embers pronouns to they/vi and then made them be my roommate. I don't think vi liked the raccoons (I had five), but at least vi and my sim got along and even took care of the llama.

[@Perseuslfou]

19:20 I always break up Akiras relationship and have my male sims steal him away

[@RubyExperiment]

If you look up the meaning of lothario it literally means heartbreaker

[@nervosims]

there was actually a canon lesbian couple in sims 3 roaring heights! theyve also adopted a child

[@SimberPlays]

Oh cool! What are their names?

[@nervosims]

@Simber they're called the shear family! also a little correction, I checked the wiki and their kid is biologically theirs! I think one of them is a scientist or smthn

[@SimberPlays]

@@nervosims cool!

[@oreagamerkat9228]

i like how you mentioned Billie Jang- in my main play through with my sims, my 2nd generation kid I had as lesbian, and she ended up marrying Billie

[@samanthakate2117]

Nah movie hangout, tiny living and nifty knitting are absolutely gay! The theme of those packs is absolutely peek queer aesthetic 😂

[@voloutiac2901]

i also think the fact that the sims 4 has the “lipstick lesbian” flag is worth mentioning, since it is notoriously transphobic. there have been multiple updates to the pride flags in the game but it’s almost like the sims team refuses to take it out!!! 😭😭😭 idk it’s been a while since i’ve looked at them so maybe it’s gone now?

[@Ranixo286]

Morgyn Nonbinary Icon

[@GreenVenus]

Diego Lobo flirted with my female Sim at a bar and I didn't buy it for a second lol

[@hazakurasuyama9016]

Bi people exist

[@erinmixon9293]

theres a married couple painting that you can change to be lesbain or gay couples in base game

[@SimberPlays]

Ah yes, I forgot about that!

[@kadielmoralesdezavala2343]

Now with the high school pack, i think that would be the gayest pack lmao

[@SimberPlays]

Yeah that's probably the gayest pack we have right now!

[@ClasOlsson495]

I don’t want to be a bore but I think you’re stretching way to far especially with some of the build buy, like for example the set stuff from get famous. I guess you can use the rainbow but I don’t think it’s meant to be queer. I just think it’s a rainbow, for a set… Also I’d put cats and dogs in “could be gayer” since they have Brent and Brant.

[@SimberPlays]

I mean the point wasn't to rate everything intended to be gay, but the things that could be used to add queerness to the game. I am stretching but it's not like there's that much explicit queer representation in any of the packs

[@ClasOlsson495]

@@SimberPlays yeah I figured

[@kulnick]

Vi Moradi from "Journey to Batuu" is asexual. One star wars book confirms this

[@VA_Edits_]

you forgot the nails for cas section in the base game.

[@hawthorne1665]

every new save I start, Brant Hecking always somehow dies and neighborhood stories always decides to remarry Brent with a woman... so that's pretty homophobic

[@samurailevi49]

The LGBTQ update is my favorite. I LOVE that your sim can be trans without being forced into a certain body, the flags, the pronoun use, and the sexuality preferences.

[@TheeAntisocialXxtrovert]

I know this is old, but I'm just now seeing it. Anyway, I'll tell you what. They definitely added more representation for the LGBTQIA+ community throughout the game and a lot faster than they did for the black community. Look how long it took for them to add more skin tones, afro textured hairstyles and fix the ones that existed in base game. That is the main reason I use alpha CC, although I use maxis match also. I literally have to use a bunch of CC just to make black sims look how we actually do IRL. Even after Xmiramira created the melanin pack for black sims, it still took them years to add more skin tones. Black simmers complaining didn't change a thing. They only cared because they started getting backlash once the popular white simmers started saying it's hard to make black sims because there weren't enough skin tones. I do feel like they're improving because now they're also creating black townie families. There's nothing wrong with multicultural families, but black loving black families do exist. As far as creating sims, for a lot of us, using CC is still necessary depending on how detailed you want them to look. I downloaded some makeup for LGBTQIA+ sims. I can't wait to use it.

[@Lupe4Lifeee]

Honestly your channel deserves a lot more hype. you're a genuinely funny youtuber that also creates queer content. what more could I ask for?

[@SimberPlays]

Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying it

[@dnister_nymph]

Why are most LGBTQ+ items in TS4 so TASTELESS?

[@SimberPlays]

I think it's because it's rainbow washing. Where companies will just like put rainbows on stuff cause they think it will make gay people want to buy their things. It's a marketing tactic

[@gabby993]

@@SimberPlays Isn’t that called queer baiting?

[@SimberPlays]

@@gabby993 queerbaiting is a bit more specific because it's when they pretend something is going to be gay but isn't. It's usually more about relationships in media than like color schemes

[@vincent_alastor]

It's more a case of Rainbow Capitalism, imo.

[@SimberPlays]

@@vincent_alastor ah yes that's a good term for it

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

8:08 of course the aromantic one is an alien. What else would they be? In case someone reads this and is unaware, it is kind of a trope in media to essentially make aliens and robots aroace(or as they say it that "they do not understand the concept of love") to highten their otherness to the allo(someone who is not aro or ace) viewers. I don't think that they intended this(they probably just thought "oh the aromantic pride flag has a lot of green similar to aliens"), but it is a bit unfortunate.

[@SimberPlays]

Yeah I tend to relate to aro/ace characters that are like robots/aliens but I get why it's an unfortunate pattern. Especially in media with humans and stuff where only the aliens are aromantic, as if humans couldn't be. It's frustrating

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

@@SimberPlays yeah. Thankfully there have been some(though very few) non alien/robot aromantic and/or asexual characters. The start of my comment was kind of a joke by the way. Not actually angry about that picture.

[@inyt2137]

i hate that there's no gay pride flag when there are 3 lesbian flags including one transphobic 👍👍

[@cpmcomics8335]

Exactly! I don’t know why they added 3 lesbian flags (especially the lipstick lesbian one) and still haven’t removed the problematic one, or added the gay pride flag

[@inyt2137]

@@cpmcomics8335 i also realized that media prefer lesbians than gays for example in movies, social media, games and even cartoons

[@SimberPlays]

I think the reason is that when the pride flags were added to the base game the blue and green gay flag wasn't in very wide use yet. It would be cool to see them add it though!

[@SimberPlays]

@@cpmcomics8335 yeah for the three lesbian pride flags I think what happened is they originally added the transphobic one (because they didn't know what was the "right" one) and got backlash but didn't really want to do the research so they just threw all of them in there

[@emotionalkryptonite1161]

I always put Vlad with Diego Lobo. I'm not entirely sure why but they just give me ~Vibes~

[@oceansolstice608]

The fence in the toddler pack is rainbow colours so I guess you can make a gay fence lol

[@SimberPlays]

oh cool! I don't have that one but a gay fence is nice

[@Basils_final_sunflower]

50:33 thats the cottagecore lesbian flag-

[@erina2600]

I always implement pride into my game by making it a holiday

[@cristallie333]

I think the rainbow unicorn show in del sol is based off She-Ra!

[@psychautica]

Luxury party stuff is very queer bc of the glittery suits

[@mortal-enemy]

When i only had base game i instantly trans'd Olivia Kim-Lewis the second i saw them walking past my house. They're transmasc non-binary and their name is Oli. They were my Sim's first partner as a teen. Oli is married to Esther Caliente with two kids now. My Morgyn Ember is in a polycule with my sim and her husband, and theyre AMAB androgynous they/he enby and they are also so SILLY and there is absolutely no thoughts behind his eyes. They just be doing the silliest things, and setting the house on fire accidentally, and lying on the sidewalk outside the front of the family home. Completely braindead, I'm so in love with him. I sent them to university to study drama and he immediately failed two classes and got put on probation. Just the sim equivalent of the 👁️👄👁️ face. Idk if anyone else's Morg is like that but mine is just a silly little gay. They are an incredible parent too. I love just watch him be autonomously silly and kind. Also just on Get to Work - that is on my "absolutely never" list of DLC because I refuse to add cops into my game in any capacity lol. My sims are GAY and they do be doing CRIME, no pigs allowed 😤

[@Flourescentlightfromceiling]

Eco Lifestyle is already at the top of the tier list I know it

[@MooseShower]

7:10 I like the bathroom door idea for my schools but there needs an all gender option like a lot of supermarkets have

[@elsagillsten]

21:59 The purple switch of that shirt has a lesbian llama on it

[@SimberPlays]

Nice!

[@maximumdinosaur]

Bob is 10000000% trans in my head

[@moratheexplorer8764]

43:17 so you’re saying it’s very lacking in gameplay, and it’s also very lacking in… gayplay? 🤭 (Btw love the video, once I’m done I’m watching the follow up, honestly I’m still disappointed in the lack of labret piercings, which is canonically the gayest piercing)

[@em..lovescats123]

''i made jade asexual and lesbian'' hmm sounds a bit like me

[@elsagillsten]

28:22 Most of those things have searches for different holidays and stuff like that so I think it’s supposed to be pride stuff

[@peytonlionheart]

why is there prison stuff-"be gay do crime" I CACKLED

[@Brooklyn-id1hw]

in the base game, in the likes and dislikes panel there is mixology, and the colors are rainbow!

[@truthuglyorblessed]

It’s really fun too look at this now because in high school years that came out like not really long ago we have a gay sim (I just know one sim but maybe there is more sims who are gay) omg I forgot too say that not really long ago the added in cas u can change the pronounnce of the sims so ther is custom, she/her, he/him,they them

[@samanthakate2117]

Like every single character in the trailer is some flavour of gay no? 😂

[@erina2600]

I’d say cottage living is gayer than cats and dogs though

[@fusulyesheep4781]

I WAS JUST WATCHING TO SEE IF YOU WOULD SAY THE VAMPIRE PACK HAD TO BE GAY JUST BECAUSE. VAMPIRES ARE SUPER GAY THANK GOD ALL THE QUEERS KNOW THIS FACT

[@itzjuicegacha]

1:00:39 Where are the sources? I wanna watch em

[@SimberPlays]

Oh I forgot to add them! I recommend these videos by verilybitchie kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZmzaXtnoMeHZ7M&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2PRi4l3p96Ci5I&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[@itzjuicegacha]

Thanks

[@OneAndOnlyStormy]

I enjoy having 2 male sims with the bro trait too its a fun romance dynamic

[@criidawg]

Wait, there are flags in the base game?

[@SimberPlays]

Yes! They're under wall decor. It's one item with a bunch of different swatches

[@criidawg]

@@SimberPlays Oh! Pog! :D I thought they came with the university pack! I'll be able to use them!

[@Andyatl2002]

Could be gayer ended up being used as should be gayer, I would have added a Corporations when it’s June tier because man some of that content is so bare bones

[@PandyDaize]

I painted an aroace dog and a bigender cat and I still love them, despite me not being very good at the fur coloring!

[@PandyDaize]

I had a bigender Sim who married Angela Pleasant. They had four kids, though I had to use a mod that gave artificial insemination and so it doesn't consider the kids belonging to both my Sim and Angela. I even deleted the 'dads' and used cheats, but nothing worked so I gave up. I also killed Angela's sister and made all the kids queer! The oldest kid was bigender, then the triplets in order were I think nonbinary, trans, and cis? Two were born male and two were born female, and I think one of the boys was interested in the Pancake's son!

[@evergreenxo]

fellas, is it gay to care about the planet?

[@mariavillarroel5385]

2:03 to be fair, i discovered the supposed love triangle after my gayass rockstar sim started dating liberty so idk fam thats pretty gay Liberty and marina >>>> liberty and travis

[@nootnoot9230]

Cottage living has rainbow cows and rainbow llamas. Rainbow llamas give you rainbow wool and you can get rainbow milk from the cows, literally taste the rainbow

[@beththedarkmage3359]

Surprised you didn't bring up the mpreg stuff that happens with Get to Work. Aliens could be gay canonically, or maybe it's female ones that can make a sim pregnant? Idk. You could argue it's kinda rape-y since they need to get abducted, I don't personally think "probing" is without consent because I doubt the developers meant it that way...but yeah. Regardless alien sims don't conform to gender in _some_ way, and an argument could be made it's not fantastic representation because they aren't human, and there's a trend where in media LGBTQ+ folks tend to be aliens, robots etc., but it's still there... ...of course, they then went ahead and made it impossible for that to happen when you create alien sims instead of getting abducted, so that sucks!

[@kyleigh3299]

40:17 I just played as the Greenburg family for a second to switch The Waterfront to a community garden (I just got Eco Lifestyle and I don't really play as townies)-Knox is listed in the game as Blossom's son and Mary's stepson, so I personally imagined him as Blossom's bio son from a previous relationship (also, Mary had a want/whim to flirt with Knox and I was trying to figure out WTF was going on 😅)

[@kyleigh3299]

1:03:09 ALSO! I did actually manage to move a household into Selvadorada! I changed one of the vacation homes to a Haunted House Residential and then placed them on a different lot in like, Newcrest and had them move. But like, it's very obviously a thing that you're not /supposed/ to be doing, and they actually didn't automatically show up in 'my households'. So like, it is possible, but it's not great

[@SimberPlays]

Oops yeah there should be a way to like mark adoptive family so stuff like that doesn't happen 😬

[@SimberPlays]

Woah cool!

[@doggo3025]

Simmer: plaid is gay Me: so all Canadians are gay

[@doggo3025]

😂

[@SimberPlays]

This is a common point of confusion lol but many of them are!

[@jasperoforange]

Honestly, Journey to Batuu should be in homophobic, since its a Disney property, and even if we tend to have Disney phases, Disney IS pretty homophobic

[@random_evo_guy9120]

The way you say "its kinda gay" is funny

[@nightmaresoup6640]

idk what youre talking about there literally isnt a sim thats gayer than johnny zest

[@PandyDaize]

I can NEVER tell what gender Darling Walsh is, I give up on trying but now I'm liking the idea of maybe nonbinary or agender!

[@leothehuman3982]

also the lipstick lesbian flag 😬

[@tigersandflowers]

yo where would werewolves rank because if i’m gonna Purchase One Of These With Real Currency Legally i definitely really want werewolves

[@SimberPlays]

I love the werewolves pack, but there is no explicit queer representation (well i think maybe some piece of lore mentions a gay couple?) I think I talked about it some in the video where I made trans werewolves kzbin.info/www/bejne/imndepV_hbGEmKM&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[@SimberPlays]

the aesthetics of the clothing and hairstyles are very queer though!

[@tigersandflowers]

YAY thank you

[@SimberPlays]

@@tigersandflowers you're welcome!

[@samanthakate2117]

Rory the leader of the wildfangs came out JUST before the pronoun release but I am absolutely certain they would have been made non binary if they had been post update, they are very queer coded as well as the whole pack. Celine the bartender screams lesbian to me too!

[@pilipollo6193]

"painfully straight" I WEEZED

[@doggo3025]

Kayla is definitely gay my gay sims automatically asked her out

[@gabrysiamotyka9149]

They say that caleb is bi becouse in trailer he flirts with women and man or something like that

[@sarahjackson1862]

The most based review of the packs I've ever seen, love this! I can only imagine that you had a ball with HSY, that's probably the gayest pack known to humankind

[@KHLRH]

So with the get to work mannequin issue it’s based off of your sims clothing preferences which still isn’t great but yk