Ranking EVERY Weapon Combo in Toram Online! - January Update Tier List

[@trickwing]

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[@trickwing]

Do you guys agree or no? please let me know in the comments! 🥳

[@tensentensen]

Honestly I disagree with ohs shield It has a wide variety of skills and different ways to build Whether you go as a full tank Or just dps Having shot out, meteor, buster blade and aura blade from blade skills, shield cannon is a good skill too as long as your shield is +S Revenir and Binding strike from knight skills are good too. And having soul hunter for s Or use pdef to cancel damage and heal

[@trickwing]

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[@KSchrift]

I'd like to disagree with Halberd being A tier honestly. Draconic Charge's 2nd hit has absoulute crit and absoulute hit property which Dragon Tooth doesnt. It also has Anti-Evasion mechanic (but turns your damage into non-crit if your 2nd hit got evaded) like Ktn's Divine Slash. Not to mention the Tier-5 Passive which can increase your Graze threshold by up to 80% Also i hope you'll add Halberd + Dagger sub on the next tier list coz with dagger you'll access Gatling Knife and Assassin Stab which makes halberd more versatile in a lot of situation Anyway, great video! even tho there are some class i'd disagree with, i respect your tier list

[@tensentensen]

i agree hb is really strong. I still see ppl doing 10 sec run in ulti bosses. And it's super easy to keep your mp with drive, dimension + SH

[@GameMaker242]

I agree :D

[@justanordinaryguy3590]

Man, imo you described 2hs perfectly there and I agree that it doesn't deserve to be an S tier. Its dps skills are undoubtedly strong and its build is rather easy to make due to high watk and berserk, but it has major flaws in some areas: - Poor AMPR without decoy and kairiki+burning spirit. Rampage+trig Slash is pretty good but it requires a lot of auto attacks and it's hard to maintain trigger slash because you have to refresh gsw, berserk (if needed), and war cry every 25-30 seconds. Plus lunar slash and meteor breaker cost high mp.... - Low evasions count (only 6), other similar close range melee classes can have 10 with sub weapon - Unreliable i-frame skills. Sh requires high precision and as you said meteor breaker costs flippin 6 mp - No armor break or 100% phys pierce skills...and sicarius only gives 2hs 10% pp due to the lack of sub dagger Lmao this is actually the 3rd time I've ranted about 2hs since 2hs is my only dps. But anyway awesome videos mann, including the previous one. Been really enjoying them all!

[@JC69420]

As a main 2hs as well, I veryyyyyyyyy much agree. Imo, it wouldnt make it even to A tier if the boss moves a lot and has crazy def..* gg enters the chat *

[@justanordinaryguy3590]

@@JC69420 Ayyy hi-5 x"D And I agree with you... Lol I think the easiest way to put it is it is nearly impossible, if not impossible, for a str>dex glass cannon 2hs to solo Guard Golem nm while it is still possible for some other dps glass cannon classes :"/

[@JC69420]

@@justanordinaryguy3590 yeah *sed ths noises*

[@reybarracuda2514]

@@justanordinaryguy3590 ever tried 2h semi tank? You can use gladiate and guard to recover mp binding strike to stun 100% also trigger slash and berserk for motion speed, 2h can use dark skills to their full potential ,also I don't think lunar slash should be used as spam skill but rather the stacks work like retrogade (you have to put it in longer combo though)😂

[@justanordinaryguy3590]

@@reybarracuda2514 Ahhh you're absolutely right...2hs semi tank solves the problem of ampr, low evasion count, and unreliable i-frame skills. A very reliable fighter, it's honestly fascinating...It also offers a more dynamic gameplay (I personally dont mind longer time, in fact, long battles are epic imo). I've recently developed it but I'm currently struggling since I'm broke (won't ever be able to afford 2s vii sword and 2s ctree, and can't stock revita vii atm :"/) and its stability is a total disaster due to dex-less+graze+berserk^^; And yess! Just need to put lunar on save tag at the end of a long combo and, boom, free bonus damages😆 Though I'm a bit sad because the critical rate of lunar stacks' additional damage are fixed on 100, so it becomes a gamble on bosses with crit res :"/ But yeah I think I'm a bit biased about lunar spam xd

[@oceanblue1938]

About weapon tier list u should mention about cast speed and motion speed. Staff n mage can deal alot of dmg but it required: 1. Buff ( prayer + support,..) 2. Long casting time and motion. 3. Prorate. Overall rate bowgun bow dual and halberd ktn r 5 best choices.

[@kuroth8648]

For knuckle. You forgot a knuckle shield bruiser build which can do damage and tanking at the same time.

[@Der-Roni]

omg yess, i was lveling up with other players, they use this build and they deal alot of dmg but they receive low dmg from enemies... theyre the best tanks fr

[@2002AkaSier]

Agreed 👍 , Many of my guild masters and friends play this build, it's not bad at all, and I'd like to see it in the latest TierList. Including other professions such as BareHand as well

[@TheGhostInThePhoto]

Long time Bowgun main here (I’ve been using it since before it was cool, which is the delicate way of saying that I used to be a solo player because nobody wanted to get stuck with me in their party). I can’t quite agree with Bowgun+Dagger being S and Bowgun+Arrow being A. I’d either swap them or make them both S (due to bias, obviously). Bowgun+Arrow simply has greater versatility and higher DPS outside of VQ, as well as slightly higher average AMPR (as if AMPR was an issue for Bowguns) and DEX scaling on Sat. Also, Bwg+Dag gets screwed over more by AoEs and the goddamn boss attack patterns that won’t let me close in for my godDAMN VANQUISHER. VQ is a necessity for Bwg+Dag, and just another option for Bwg+Arr. An option that is primarily used to get rid of the TS cooldown so I can go back to not thinking while my CF charges and my boatload of Sats blast the enemy into atoms. However, Bowgun+Dagger also gets the option of being an actually useful assassin thanks to bonus range on Shadow Walk and lower average aggro (due to less TS uptime). Backstep is also nice for survivability and Back Stab is nice for damage and for Sicarius. It also just wins in terms of coolness factor, because how else am I supposed to make my overly modern character in this fantasy setting? I’ll use Arcane Strike for that cool animation if I damn well please, even if it sucks ass 9 times outta 10. I also disagree with Bowgun+Magic Device. That thing’s F- tier _at best._ It’s in a tier of its own. There is no way to reasonably justify using such an incongruous build, and I say this after having tried several times. OHS+MD can be…a thing. It isn’t useless, at least, even if almost everything else is better. But Bwg+MD is just garbage incarnate. None of the skills work well together, and you sacrifice just about everything that makes Bowguns good. I’d sooner use MD on its own than use Bwg+MD again, and the only good equipment I still have makes my MATK nonexistent. The only reason a gunner should even glance at a Magic Device is to use Healing Song in the middle of a town with Magi Vein equipped so it looks like you’re playing the guitar without any weapons equipped while you go AFK (Yes, I _do_ own a Magi Vein for this exact purpose. Cut me some slack, I had some extra SP after putting my main build together. I just wanted my character to be able to play a guitar because, well, why the hell not?). In summary, I have a weird obsession with guns and think that Bwg+Dag and Bwg+Arr are about the same, but would put Bwg+Arr ever so slightly higher. Thank you for reading my essay.

[@trickwing]

Great points! I will keep all of this in mind when I make my tier list for sure!

[@2002AkaSier]

Bro, I think BowGunDevice might get a bit more buff. From the latest update, the Hunter skill, but I still don't plan to use it. There are many more reasons. It's not worth using, maybe this is a developer's attempt to create a magic long range DPS. Added 1 more Class (?) 🗿

[@TheGhostInThePhoto]

⁠@@2002AkaSier ​​⁠​⁠ Oh, absolutely. Hunter Bowgun means that Bwg+MD can now use things like Satellite Arrow and Magic Arrow at full strength, and that’s definitely useful. It’s not amazing, but definitely out of the bottom tier. Still outclassed by every other Bowgun combination. Maybe C tier at best, with an additional note that other Bowgun combinations do just about everything Bwg+MD does, but better. Anyway, as an amendment to my opinions, I would now say that Bowgun+Dagger is slightly better than Bowgun+Arrow. Daggers don’t get elemental advantages, but they now have access to both their own skills and the full power of Hunter skills. Having a quick VQ and access to Sat is huge. It makes Bowgun+Dagger work even for my weird style of play, which mostly revolves around looking for openings to blast something with Sat. I would still put them on the same tier, though, thanks to Sharp Sniper letting Arrows have a consistent Armor Break. I’m about 99% sure, from my testing, that the Armor Break chance is P.Pierce x 2. My P.Pierce is right around 100%, so there’s just about no way for me to fail at inflicting Armor Break. Both are still extremely viable, and definitely S tier for me. In summary: the new skills make Bowgun+Dagger and Bowgun+Arrow switch spots for me, but I still think they’re both S tier. The new update wasn’t too huge for Bowgun+Arrow, but gave some nice improvements to both.

[@2002AkaSier]

​@@TheGhostInThePhoto BTW, for me Snipe is much faster and easier. Compared to the BackStab, it's less risky because it fires from a distance. I think there are different advantages. It depends on what you like or are good at. If you want simplicity but efficiency Arrow should be preferred. On the other hand, if you want a slightly more difficult but cool and flexible gameplay, choose Dagger. 🎌🎌🎌

[@TheGhostInThePhoto]

@@2002AkaSier I hope you’re referring to Sharp Sniper (Multiple Hunt for arrows/knuckles/no sub-weapon), because Snipe is pretty bad for bowguns once you get further into the game. Hell, Sharp Sniper is literally just a much better Snipe. Anyway, I’d say Dagger wins in sheer efficiency by a small margin. Hunter Bowgun gave it the ability to tack on about as much damage as elemental Arrows are capable of in the same, or even less time. Bowguns have begun drifting towards being glorified melee weapons for a while now, and Bowgun+Dagger fully embraces this, closing the distance and hitting the enemy for massive damage. Bowgun+Arrow tries to fight this trend, though, and stands at long range. The problem is that bowguns have a default 8m range, which happens to be the limit at which attacks are considered long range. This makes exploiting LRD harder for bowguns than it is for bows, as bows have an extra 2m of wiggle room to work with. This results in SRD often being better for bowguns, something that Wolf Sniper provides. Just look at VQ. With a 7m range, it can’t get LRD, the Long Range passive bonus, or anything of the sort. But it can absolutely use the SRD buff from Wolf Sniper, especially since Wolf Sniper reduces the MP cost of the next skill. The damage from Wolf Sniper and VQ combined can usually match that of Impact and VQ despite the matching proration of the former two, all because Wolf Sniper does decent damage and the SRD lets VQ mostly disregard the added proration. In my testing, Bowgun+Dagger usually winds up killing bosses faster than Bowgun+Arrow. Thanks to Shadow Walk, there’s also less risk involved (since Shadow Walk lets you Evade AoEs). This testing is also without Knife Combat, which would skew things even more towards daggers. Knife Combat makes Evasion barely decrease on use. The reason I never factored it in is just due to how integral Twin Storm and VQ are to bowguns. The main difference comes down to the consistency of their main burst options. VQ spam is easy with a dagger, but not with an arrow due to Twin Storm stacks. Arrows are left waiting for either CF to charge or for the enemy to sit still for Sat. Daggers don’t have to wait, and can rush in like headless chickens just fine. I still like using arrows because of my Twin Storm enhanced auto attack hits for over 100k, but daggers are just the more optimized choice. Side note: Bowgun+Dagger also gets an interrupt in Flincher Knife that Bowgun+Arrow doesn’t get. So there’s that.

[@m.aldwin5551]

Nice content man! Keep up the good work

[@trickwing]

Appreciate it!

[@ItzKasuna]

I strongly agree with this tierlist although I feel like knuckle magic device would go in A tier rather than S mainly because of the mp management issue. many skills will cost massively more mp than they otherwise would and it adds up

[@trickwing]

The only reason I disagree is because you can just get your mana back really easily using Asura aura or maximizer, it just takes a bit more skill to manage Asura stacks

[@Myticalcattnip]

Yeah knux md really good at mp and faster charge nemesis,good at armor break,and can be auto atk cuz magic additional in toram have more build tho

[@j0k3r84]

Hell no Ahura will make yer MP regen faster

[@Moronic248]

@@trickwing i do agree that you can regain ur mp. But it makes the combo rotation kinda wonky and clunky.

[@trickwing]

@@Moronic248 only takes a few seconds and you’re back to full, just get used to managing your mp better

[@jenex7623]

lets go sub weapon ranking i been waiting for this for a long time

[@yahska_Elgni]

Totally OP Video. I was gonna change my Main DPS and its gonna help a lot.. Tho. Ive seen Bowgun Arrow build who uses vanquisher Better using Srd based xtals along With jus Using lvl1 gunner skill. Tho i think its personally gonna help a lot..

[@2002AkaSier]

I really love this video because I am MainBowGunDagger. And many times most of the players didn't accept me into the party. Because he thought using Dagger instead of Arrow would make 90 rounds disappear and considered BowGunDagger useless. I'm glad people saw the importance of Vanq's ability to reset Twin Storm's cooldown and recently BowGunDagger. Get the Hunterskill buff, thanks for the great video. And hope you update the new TierList soon. ❤❤❤

[@trickwing]

People don’t believe it but bowgun became really good recently

[@ozoahameg3582]

i personally would put staff/MD on A tier and it is due to the fact that your versatility has dropped (not damage output tho) but yea staff MD still deal insane damage but the current staff builds have a long buildup especially on solo so its a high risk high reward thing and staff/MD will restrict your versatility especially compared to staff/shield (in a party the current staff will just bust 25-75% of its HP just by using boss drop staffs in which case you can spam in a party) its nice to see that 4 (qadal/magic dagger/overlimit/sorcery guide) skills get added and it instantly put staff at S tier instead of B tier lol the only downside of this is neutral boss and extremely expensive loadouts, like 6 different staffs for element bonus in which case i personally just go for 1 slot staff since buying 6 of them is just too much for me as of now and my gosh i have to keep farming mana mats just to customize this thing which is borderline harder than farming xtals when there is no event i just hope they wont nerf this cause staff builds are already hard to use since 75% of your skills will channel and your main damaging skills (finale/magic cannon/nemesis) takes time to build up or has an annoying cast time i just wish they made the magic dagger put 1 charge of nemesis per hit at level 10 so people have reason to actually level it up rather than just double proration which not worth the extra 5 SP pls tell me what are the stats from shield/dagger that will give staff more power? i checked it many times and i cant find anything that will help it burst its damage further from those 2 sub other than being versatile regarding Bowgun>arrow: i think its worth S-Tier (but not as good as bow>arrow but really on par with other subs its just the playstyle is quite different) in terms of its vanquisher being slower to pull since it gets 90 auto attacks bowgun arrow still has that element bonus with the right arrow which other subs wont work unless your bowgun itself have element and at that point its unnecessarily expensive and bowgun>arrow has a quite different playstyle rather than vanquisher spam i personally cycle on Crossfire/Sat/Vanquishe, having satellite being the spam instead of the vanquisher, its also prety good in party since bowgun>arrow can just auto-attack since you will proriate for them and you just spam satellite when crossfire and vanquisher is still not ready, bowgun>arrow also has much less MP problem than other sub for bowgun, also since bowgun dont really have a reliable way to armor break satellite is much more preferable spam

[@trickwing]

Staff MD is more versatile than others, you get weaken access on MD sub ONLY which makes it better than other sub for mage

[@reybarracuda2514]

I think the staff and shield drops from the new boss are really good for staff shield semi tank

[@ozoahameg3582]

@@trickwing what i mean by versatility is the ability to do alot more than just deal damage weaken will only reduce mdef which only benefits magic users (magic crash can do well enough for supporting fire) the other benefit for MDsub is resonance but its RNG makes it unreliable other than cheap maximizer or heal but if you put shield sub you can stun the enemy yourself on top of your tumble (this allows you to be able to interrupt bosses when your tank is unarmed) and also works well enough for solo fights if certain bosses decides to paint the entire map red

[@ozoahameg3582]

@@reybarracuda2514 yea sadly mage tank is really hard to manage tho since your main abilities requires cast time especially finale (you would need this for AOE aggro) since sometimes you channel and the boss does an attack that needs interruption but your still doing finale lol) mage tank is the best AOE tank tho it can easily take all mob's aggro in a single skill (just keep your cast speed below 500 and finale will radiate aggro like Chernobyl)

[@2002AkaSier]

Bro, and now BowGunDagger can use Sat, so I mean, it's still worthy of an S rank? 🥺

[@guilhermemendes2421]

the amount of JUSTICE that ohs md had is crazy

[@poffle6677]

Where's, ohs/knuckle/hb arrow(the forgotten combi), staff knuckle, bowgun knuckle, bowgun shield, knuckle shield and barehand :'(

[@kagari_toram]

1H MD is actually very good, given current skills and the abilities to use. People like Spicari has utilised MW very well, Yes heavy on SP but it is very good with damage and getting started up. 1h MD is often misunderstood given current meta

[@kagari_toram]

Staff with other sub weapons [Excluding MD] they are very good for shorter FK battles although Staff MD primarily INT-DEX are amazing for mid to long battles as they will not be qadal reliant

[@reybarracuda2514]

Yeah ehndzte also has a really powerful 1h mw

[@trickwing]

The problem isn’t it’s damag, the problem is what it takes to even get there, needs to manage way too many buffs and takes 20 sec+ to build stacks and even get going, on top of that clunky animations make it impossible to solo, imo takes more setup than every class for very little payout

[@ridunnafuz8952]

Welp better wait for tier 5 maybe it become a game changer

[@samsunggalaxya1136]

Hi nice video trickwing Keep it up!!!

[@trickwing]

Thank you, I will

[@AnnXYZ666]

Where to make the tier list? can you share it to me?

[@kaiseein890]

What weapon do u recommend for starting player? (Just gonna start today)

[@trickwing]

I recommend staff mage! It’s really strong especially for new players, or you can use 2 handed sword for big damage early

[@uinix5757]

Hi, new player here I was wondering if there were any updated knuckle dagger builds out there. I cant seem to find any, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

[@trickwing]

Funny that you ask, I am about to make one right now! xD

[@user-mk9kw2mx4v]

Where would you put staff sub knuck and halberd sub knive?

[@trickwing]

Staff all in S, Halb all in A that’s why the subs aren’t there

[@ゼーウォイ]

have you ever try mage qadal +ashura staff sub knuckle?

[@monmon-hy5ql]

Ohhh interesting I have to agree with all of em hehe. Maybe you should add MD+Scroll here ❤️ It has access to ninja skills and a potential 12m i-frame+support skills+sprite skills and magic skills. Very interesting combo i should say :3 As for BWG+MD: What do u think of its stat modifier with vanquisher? Personally, I think it needs alot of rework because it scales with INT which bowgun does not benefit too much. The mwarrior skills does not benefit it too much as well other than its cool looking and it gives more amprXD On paper tho the combination is nice, but trying it personally its a nono if u want to use this as your main dps, it was fun tho XD

[@trickwing]

I think Md scroll for support is maybe the same tier, but Md scroll for dps only probably f teir 🤣🥲🥲🥲

[@monmon-hy5ql]

@@trickwing XD its ok I understand its rarely seen anyway XD How bout staff shield?

[@kerryvanskonsol792]

​@@trickwing you wrong, ninja skill have water vortex

[@kuroth8648]

Bow is more likely in A tier due to lack of survivability. A big source of i-frame is SH which requires a very sharp sense of timing to survive a large aoe. I don't know what's they plan to adjust shot skill. But it's definitely NOT an S tier.

[@wiliniyarug9904]

Agreed

[@vibra7]

Retro kinda remedies that but I understand what u mean

[@trickwing]

The sheer damage bow can output makes it unrivaled imo, you can run soul hunt for I frame, and you need much less because of having range

[@Starsoul_]

Yeah, but like... Bows can stay so far off range of bosses' attacks, compared to all other weapons, that the only attacks they need to worry most of the times are targeted attacks or full-arena Aoes, plus some exceptional bosses with very small arenas. Even shark fins, they see them coming from afar and can position properly, so i don't think their lack of i-frames pulls them down so much, given the absurd damage they can dish out.

[@c97x]

Nice bro, i feel like ohs knuck and 2hs are on the same tier

[@frielleainsworth71]

The burst on these 3 weapons "Bow, Katana, Staff" is Godly...

[@finnleyjack331]

You forgot bowgun shield which offers damage and defense. Bonus if you're using light armor for that sweet dodge

[@D-corpse12]

lol if 2h didn't have str as main stat and high multiplier skills nobody would've picked it. it's only good for dmg burst and bad at everything else atm ,i hope gm notices after they done with magic blade buff :'v

[@vibra7]

Great Tierlist! Always love when you make them I'd only disagree with the Bowgun Dagger thing cuz it is true that it gets more Vanquishers off, and it's absolute aim so it's always crit on high dif bosses, but I feel like the tradeoff of element from arrow isn't worth it, you'd need element on your bg as well as pp%, along with the lost stab and dmg boost on Sat that comes with arrow, so imo bg arrow would be on par with bow (higher Sat and sh dmg and twin storm but lower stab and no retro), while bg dagger would be A or B Obv it's a Tierlist so it's full of opinions so just sharing mine, and the rest seems accurate

[@trickwing]

Good point! But I know users who awaken element on bowgun for this! I still see their vanquisher hit for 7m+ with that build plus cf and range and I figured it deserves higher!

[@vibra7]

That's fair, absolute aim is op afterall

[@facelessvoid4957]

How about ths semi tank like gladiator who have atk high and high deffnese its rank A?

[@samuelhaze8772]

Idk if it's your mic or the app you use. Your voice/sound seems muffled/low volume

[@jayshengcheng9308]

hai bro katana and two handed sword who strong？

[@randomness2167]

Where Katana ninjutsu? It pretty fun build, may not meta as other but fun

[@chris0429]

1h md is op when it comes to farming since sword tempest has more drop rate than most of the aoe skills, as for bwg md I would say its not bad but really confusing because you have to use cf, finale, SA, etc. All while evading the boss

[@Hurano872]

Hmm, when will you make ths sh build?

[@trickwing]

I’ve made one! I haven’t posted it yet

[@geminas5044]

bowtana isn't that terrible tbh.... if dte and awakened element is the problem just put the awakened elem on the bow and the problem in dealing dmg will be solved.... but if I'm gonna recommend bowtana to beginners, absolutely not.... not until they're ready for complex build like bowtana since it requires a lot of effort, spina and skills to make it work.... P.S.: you forgot bowgun+knux and bowgun+shield lol

[@trickwing]

I think bowtana can have decent damage, it’s just your damage will be better with shot skills with sub arrow, and better katana with main, so using both is fun but your rotations will have less 😊

[@kaiseein890]

Is this game still worth it playing in 2023? And also is it f2p friendly? Or heavy p2w? I wanna try it

[@trickwing]

There is no p2w in toram, you can only buy avatar items for looks. Yes, it is worth playing! They are going to add pvp soon and very frequent updates

[@terminacchi]

you missed barehand DPS on the SSS tier

[@VanquishPelulu]

i agree with most of the list but bow isnt really good as the ones u listed as s tier but can be a low s tier so its not that important. also you forgot bowgun sub knuckle! it has access to asura (easy , better than what dagger offers), flash blink 10% srd, chakra buffs, opens dancer skills for bowgun, easy skill cancel with abstract arms if u made a mistake, same fast vanq as dagger and etc. overall a good support and dps mixture with high survivability and can tank ezly too. you also forgot knuckle sub shield too ppl use it for its tanky buffs and stats, its rly good too

[@trickwing]

Bow consistently and easily out damages my 2s DTE dual sword build, I’d say it’s better for sure, plus the range making it very versatile and consistent

[@VanquishPelulu]

@@trickwing yh but you should consider budget too, its easier to get more damage with dw on low-mid budget and its easier to use since it uses a "locked" skill, all arrow skills are placed. wht about bwg sub knuck? my comment wasnt just about bow

[@Leig5H0T]

bowgun knuckle has the fast vanquisher but it's also down 25% pierce which isn't ideal really

[@VanquishPelulu]

@@Leig5H0T i mean lower pp doesnt really mean much. in damage formula pp only drops def so you can just use arm break (which has way better ailment chance on knuckle) or eternal nightmare to drop def and again in formula constant adds up directly to the base damage like base def (which includes boss' def and pp) so the asura constant buff actually works like a def break. also you can get high pp with knuck too and can get 10% extra srd. in the end if you add up possible stats like 70% pp, 10% srd, 100 extra constant, etc. on knuck and 100% pp, 100 extra atk on dagger the damage rounds up the same (dagger has a bit more damage ofc but imo its so low that can be sacrificed for more survivability and pt buffs). you cant solo with dagger ezly and its is trash (only one use). on the other hand knuckle has an easy to use and you can solo with it. in parties knuckle has way more usage cuz it has party buffs. imagine tank is an ohs shield which is worse for party buff, u can buff pt with ur knuck or even help bwg/bh tanks to interrupt boss (there arent much of them but still can come to pt). even tho i say all these, still bwg dagger is a solid option for players who have lesser pp, have no element and is a great option for limit break (arrow and 10 lvl ts is still the best imo but wht ever). on limit break bwg knuckle doesnt really work cuz asura has half of the damage. so in the end both has really good options, if you look for just damage and limit break in parties go for dagger, if you look for a much tankier and supportive option and to be able to solo much ezly (also knucle has 2-3 ampr buffs so easier to recover mp) go for knuckle. i personally go for both cuz im a bwg maniac, all of my slots are filled with different sub weaps of bwg (except bs vit crafter cuz it eats my sp a lot and bh tank is too easy to use).

[@Leig5H0T]

@@VanquishPelulu using shellbreak is not sustainable. it lasts a mere 5 seconds, prorates against you, and since you cannot use annihilator as a sub knuckle, you only have a 75% success rate.

[@yourfriend7554]

What about staff dagger ?

[@L1GHT404]

Bowgun is good because of high atk mp recovery making it easier to spam skills

[@VanquishPelulu]

can you tell me what exactly do you spam? cuz the last time i checked every single skill of bwg is burst (need to wait ts stacks for vanq, cf 5 stk takes 30 secs, sate needs 7-8 secs to deal its full dmg (which is equal to 1-2 dw aeiral spam), sh needs 10 stacks to deal non-buffed vanq dmg), only snipe and parabola are spammable but their damage is equal to 1 hit of sate on low deff bosses, half of 1 hit of sate on high deff bosses...

[@L1GHT404]

@@VanquishPelulu death reaper and sat spam with cf and van for brust. thats what i do.

[@reybarracuda2514]

@@L1GHT404 those are all burst skills lmao, it could have been dps( real dmg per second) if people used twin storm to do damage

[@VanquishPelulu]

@@reybarracuda2514 cant deal damage on high def tho, even with 100pp its always low and destroys normal proration so cant deal contistant dmg

[@vibra7]

Dude nobody waits for CF to reach 5/5, what he means by spam is spamming 4 burst skills, use one while the others are in cd, and u pretty much use a burst skill every few seconds, pretty simple, I do agree that ds is more brainded tho

[@kerryvanskonsol792]

Knuckles Shield need heavy armor for tank, of course the best dps when you use shield skill and armor skill 2h sword actually strong if you use darkness power skill (it's pretty similar and inspired by dark knight from final fantasy xiv) You forgot about Staff knife Staff shield also use has tank mage actually pretty strong defense, the shield protect you from tumble and flinch when you use Magic Finale, don't forget use shield skill, it's make you less dmg received

[@Leig5H0T]

damn he put my class in s tier i would never expect anyone to throw bowgun dagger so high up in there

[@_Baro_]

I wouldn't use gun dagger. Lv2-3 twin storm can reduce the bullets provided. No need sacrifice ele from arrow which produce huge amount of dte

[@Leig5H0T]

@@_Baro_ level 1 twin storm with arrow still has 36 bullets. that's ridiculous bro.

[@Leig5H0T]

@@_Baro_ just get an ele dte gun. get ur money up.

[@godspeed_smc401]

New toram tierlist when?

[@kuroth8648]

If you need my opinion why I agree MW is an F one, it's because using it is very complicated while katana is less complicated but has better result.

[@gradiant111]

DS Always OP in every patch

[@henrymanalo1395]

Most S Tier weapons are long range.

[@kentkirbynerves96]

Man can you make a guide for Blacksmith about its stat , skills , pot , success rate and etc. ? Im so confused about it 😶 I dont know where and how to start 🥺

[@trickwing]

Of course man!

[@kentkirbynerves96]

@@trickwing Ooooh Cool 😳🤗 Thanks man , Ill be waiting for now 😁

[@bells1485]

Halberd can be S tier since halberd doesn't need decoy shot and easily spam dps without worrying about MP.

[@kerryvanskonsol792]

But actually shit on accuracy which means hard to hit and sometimes miss

[@Qwert-4960]

How bout bow tana and dagger and halberd

[@trickwing]

I did bowtana! And halb dagger same as normal halb

[@Qwert-4960]

@@trickwing oh ok I'm just a vid skipper cus of research

[@nielnatividad7612]

I'm using ktn as a main weapon and idk why my damage is low i think im lacking something btw im lvl 209 now its hard to lvl up

[@rafamughni8199]

Better change to hb bro

[@xicybrgx3643]

I agree with enchant sword at ohs, as the user of enchant, for now the utility of this skill is not too good, and also it is lack of its ability do deal damages to neutral. Hope T5 Magic Blade will buff it up

[@MrDblA]

You nailed it.

[@arash2792]

Intriguing!

[@OJaN22010]

Hi, new sub

[@trickwing]

Welcome!!

[@pureevil8]

Bro it's awesome but you missed gunner+knuck

[@trickwing]

I forgot 🫠 b tier cause of versatility but less damage than others

[@pureevil8]

@@trickwing I see, I was thinking should be good cuz of twin storm+asura combo

[@trickwing]

@@pureevil8 actually I tried that before with full 2s DTE and it was horrible lmao

[@pureevil8]

@@trickwing I see thank you sensei , I was planning to use it but now ik

[@trickwing]

@@pureevil8 you can try it for yourself but

[@jericbercilla9202]

are you playing to pc?

[@trickwing]

Yes

[@alwayshere6956]

I promise spellsword has hella qualities

[@trickwing]

Sure, but what it takes is way too much to do what other classes can do so much quicker. It’s definitely usable but also definitely too slow and not worth it

[@reybarracuda2514]

As a knuckle+shield user I'm offended that it isn't there, Goliath punch is a really powerful skill for knuckle😭

[@trickwing]

Knuckle shield? What dps does shield give? 😵‍💫 I thought it was for tank only

[@reybarracuda2514]

@@trickwing haven't you seen Lalause use it? Shield gives shield cannon and that extra resist for stacking God hand without being worried about dying, true knuckle users know that knuckle tank can do a lot of dmg😂, if you don't believe me watch Lalause solo nena meta

[@trickwing]

@@reybarracuda2514 I guess so 🥲🥲

[@saiavabel6076]

@@reybarracuda2514 how does this build work? Agi>vit? And wdym sheild give extra reist for God hand?

[@reybarracuda2514]

@@saiavabel6076 just overall resist tbh, you can go agi>dex, agi>str, agi>vit the dmg doesn't really change that much cus agi is main stat and it gives critical dmg. I use agi> vit for general tanking the damage isn't bad even with guardian active, you get super tanky and I love it🤣

[@IcyBenjis]

2H by far the highest DPS overall vs any class outside of 1 shotting bosses in 10 secs. Archer require too much build up and combo maintenance to keep up with 2H. Mage spends more time charging than actually dealing DPS. HB right behind 2H but cant beat it. Everything else just feels like s sub class.

[@montagegamerlive3604]

Man I just do not know how to use katana...it's a pure s class weap but it just took alot time to me for playing

[@wakuwaku6647]

Halo sepuh

[@SeaweedAK]

Ths has great damage. But i never interested in it because of how straightforward its build is. Has no sub weapon make it boring to build.

[@hanskr5050]

HB for me is S tier because after T5 is so easy to recover mp and really versatile to any boss bcs many dmg skill u can acquire (dt, dc, sh, gatling, strike stab, assasin stab etc).. U can choose it for so many situation. And god speed t5 is so helpfull to prevent losing all stk and reduce dmg. I love the gameplay so much😁

[@vibra7]

I had a luk hb and loved the backstep>draconic>backstab combo, it was too cool

[@j0k3r84]

u forgot HB can survive with Dragon Tail even with 3 gsw XD

[@rafamughni8199]

What's better between ktn and hb? My level is 110

[@ShiroCh_ID]

its been a while since i play toram, time to restart my game again so i can relieve it

[@poppop-wo9rr]

Hb gets underestimated too much. It can fk without needing to cast decoy so op the mana regen is insane. For me hb is S tier.

[@trickwing]

I used to main hb, if it’s moves were safer to use in range (they all make hb get really close) it would be better, but it doesn’t have ranged dps very well and bow and dw out dps it atm

[@_Baro_]

Bro t5 dc teleports your char next to target. How would u do dmg to boss that summon spike under its foot

[@poppop-wo9rr]

Strike stab exist also sh

[@_Baro_]

@@poppop-wo9rr spam sh then what? Compared to other S tier dps?

[@poppop-wo9rr]

@@_Baro_ hmm looks like you're low iq hahahaha. It's not like boss will spam spike all the time and tanks can interrupt hahahaha so you can still use dc... Sigh...

[@orfredymelobeltran5237]

HB is S, no need decoy at all, T5 makes it the only class that don't loss all gsw after get hit and can survive after get hit, and have great invencible skills from sh and dive impac, and combining with dagger you get nice bonus and with kairiki and atk and ampr, also you forgot knuck+shield im not a user of the combination but out there some player are really good on it.

[@rafamughni8199]

What's better between hb and ktn? I'm a newbie

[@platinumson98]

You should add SS tier. Cause there are gap at high tier too

[@platinumson98]

Halberd is S tier. A good halberd can rekt everything.

[@S_n_a_re]

Ohs MD can literally put dmg a knuckle MD idk why people keep saying ohs MD is bad.

[@trickwing]

Ohs doesn’t get Asura which boosts a lot of damage, CRT rate and allows it to max crt even with neutral, and allows a 0 mp I frame so that’s why it’s much better

[@manio6252]

we need spina guide

[@chokedpear6251]

I never knew that western people also played this game.

[@trickwing]

Yesss we do haha

[@zorro8921]

Nice hair btw 😶‍🌫️

[@trickwing]

😏

[@nhattunglo5029]

Meanwhile: i'm doing staff-fu .-.

[@kaizu_on_line]

Yup, underrated job Gun-Fu

[@reybarracuda2514]

Wow I want to see that in action, like do you use flash blink and asura to make magic cannon do more dmg? How are your stats? Do you play semi tank playstyle or glass cannon?

[@familia0494]

F to S😂 1h md or what we call now mw

[@ridunnafuz8952]

Bruh...if Twin storm is the problem just lvl it to 1....

[@trickwing]

Even then it has too many shots, dagger is better for it I think

[@halumination5472]

I play knuckle sub sheild for tank support.

[@cosmic_cats0]

Brub need new tier list

[@bachigettingwhoopedbysmurl4545]

I agree

[@lamlo9999]

Agreed except on Hb and bow, Hb is def S tier, even with draconic nerf it's still opii, i can use backstep as opener for it for extra pp, and u don't need decoy the mp regen is cracked asf, Bow i would put A tier it's very clunky and falls short compared to the new T5 skills damage wise. Nice vid btw

[@trickwing]

Retrograde shot out dps even dual wield skills arm

[@kuhaku9546]

Staff knuckle S

[@kerryvanskonsol792]

Halberd is worst to handle, cannot describe to say but halberd are poor accuracy stat and huge amount mp use for skill Bowgun is good power weapon but poor stability, there only fun to play bowgun because twin storm, without twin storm is slow and short distance shooting Bow and arrow is the best dps especially when you use decoy shot, sniper and arrow rain, bow also good to build tank for survive Katana is strong dps, you need choose between DEX (attack increase, stability, accuracy, and Aspd) and STR (Critical Damage, Aspd and little attack increase/ you need equipment and Xtal to increase critical rate) Magic device is good for farm and level but poor cpsd and power magic, but it's still best weapon, but you also equipment scroll ninja from sub weapon Warning for katana user: never ever use sub weapon for katana, it's decrease critical damage

[@albertthonius9407]

I though m.warrior gonna be good

[@trickwing]

Unfortunately cause it’s so slow and takes way to long to start up, for dps that eventually ends up as average, it’s not really good compared to anything else.

[@seemingly_useless8700]

1h + Arrow? Anyone?

[@trickwing]

Not worth it 🥲

[@luciusjoeterry7526]

Finally legit shit

[@mundalimbu6088]

I like your face more than your videos so let's sit in a discord channel and talk about your tier list which is definitely wrong

[@reybarracuda2514]

Simp🤣

[@engineeringmusic]

First

[@trickwing]

too fast lol

[@justkobe4667]

The fact that paladin isn't top shows me that u don't understand the full power of most of these builds. And in what fkn world is knux md s tier LOL

[@reybarracuda2514]

Knuckles md s tier on stationary boss kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2SWi4R7mN5nfJY

[@justkobe4667]

@@reybarracuda2514 not to invalidate ur idea but... That's ctholly....

[@justkobe4667]

Annnnd 28 seconds on trickster isn't s tier dmg especially since it coming from one of torams best players. Ik you have seen all the other classes hitting under 20 seconds. Not saying MD is bad. Definitely not on the same lvl of s tiers tho. In a party they wouldn't even get a chance to get their dmg off

[@reybarracuda2514]

@@justkobe4667 also why is my comment invalidated? Nemesis by default is light element so even if you are on low budget it will destroy dark element bosses. Once you can get each tick of nemesis to deal 1mill+ you will probably out dps anyone unless they can burst the boss, or the boss moves knuckles md is insane😂💁.

[@justkobe4667]

@@reybarracuda2514 ok, what point are u trying to argue? Budget is irrelevant here. Knux md cannot compare to halberd yet halb is on a tier. This listbis made by someone who doesn't know the full power of builds. Idk what ur going on about