People complain about PDM predominantly making fragrances that smell 'designery'. Yet the one time PDM actually made a proper niche fragrance (Kalan) everyone bashed it for actually smelling unique and therefore, challenging. When in fact, most people fail to understand the fragrance. IMO one of the best creations for this house, finally bought a bottle this year and absolutely love it! If you havent tried it, Justin, highly recommend. Great list, nonetheless, thumbs up.
@owencharnon202 ай бұрын
If you think Kalan is proper niche from this house try Hamdani or Kuhuyan
@westonaggen89802 ай бұрын
@@owencharnon20right? haltane too
@bean24192 ай бұрын
Kalan is my favourite too, love it, i wear it all year round except summer
@MrLevihd2 ай бұрын
I have a near full bottle (missing 10 sprays) if your anyone is interested. Blind bought it, but can’t stand the spoiled rhubarb notes 🥲
@Joseph-J-2 ай бұрын
Maybe they just didn’t like it? A perfume can be unique, challenging, and still not be great. There are a lot of bad niche fragrances. So yes, this is one of their more niche attempts, but it’s not a great product. Wonderful you like it, but clearly it’s not resonating with consumers (niche or otherwise).
@GANEWONE2 ай бұрын
Carlisle, Layton, Haltane, Herod & Pegasus Exclusif are my favourites, great picks my guy 🔥
@Ambient5oul4 күн бұрын
just picked up a bottle of Pegasus Exclusif.. loving it!
@blakethealien13952 ай бұрын
I appreciate you amending your opinions on your videos. Would love the link to or else a video of “Changed opinions”
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
I did a live version of that topic a while back. kzbin.infos-j-KanhopM?feature=share
@callmevil2 ай бұрын
Best intro monologue! Thats why I keep subscribed.. you always keep it real. ❤
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@RickeyBelafonteАй бұрын
I just picked up Althair and it's perfect for the cooler weather. The ladies love it
@hworth32 ай бұрын
😂😂 yo the way you described Carlisle is how I describe Fan Your Flames. It’s amazing to see how scent is so subjective from nose to nose. Loving these last few videos with humor but truth in them.
@jlehm2 ай бұрын
I’m currently in Paris and hitting all the perfume shops and Nishane was a complete bust for me. B-612, Fan your flames, Hundred silent ways, Wulong cha, Sultan vetiver…didn’t like a single one. For me the house is Ani and Hacivat…
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I understand!
@lstyle32102 ай бұрын
Carlisle is a very sophisticated fragrance begging for cool or cold weather but I'm guilty of wearing it during the summer. It's that good 😎
@re-z82962 ай бұрын
Have you tried Althair? I am in love with it! I own Althair, Godolphin, Haltane, Carlisle, Herod, and Layton Exclusif. Honestly, I love all of them so much that I cannot rank them lol Great vid as always, Justin!
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Althair is pleasant.
@AngeloGiles2 ай бұрын
Sedley is the only fragrance I currently have from this house, and I love it on hot days, it performs so well imo, plus it’s a compliment getter most of the times I wear it.
@MaDFroG882 ай бұрын
Last winter i got tons of compliments from PDM Althair, this summer i used Percival but was not impressed with the performance and in general the smell is not spectacular. Next summer i will try Sedley/Greenley, I’m wondering for winter 2024 between Layton or Oajan 🤔
@DanxPSN412Ай бұрын
Great insight. I’m deciding between Pegasus Exclusif and Herod for my next bottle pick up. I love both on my skin, but something about Exclusif is unique
@eggmaneggman99662 ай бұрын
I must say Althair is growing on me especially in the colder seasons. I would put it in my top 3-4 now. Harod is also my #1.
@jimmymcwatters41822 ай бұрын
Completely agree with you on Carlisle. I purchased a decant and tested it a few times but just didn't work on my skin. I do own a full bottle of Layton and Sedley and really love both of those. Keep up the great content JC. Shout out from Costa Rica 🇨🇷✌🏽
@miker44302 ай бұрын
Way to go as admire your consistency
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Soleful_scents_Tae2 ай бұрын
Habdan is so underrated and slept on such a beautiful spicy rose with a fruity accord
@vixuserid5518Ай бұрын
When I began this journey I got a PDM sample pack. Haven't sniffed Harod or any bottle made after, so my fav is Carlisle by far. It does have a "Classic" feel, yet even more and beyond that it has a classic charm about it. Smells so rich !
@GANEWONE2 ай бұрын
PDM are a great fragrance house, I know what I’m expecting when I try their scents and the materials are great quality! They do mass appealing on a great level, not every brand needs to be bespoke and out of the box!
@Vasqueza8052 ай бұрын
I own four: Layton, Pegasus Exclusif, Sedley and Carlisle (recently sold Herod). I probably get the most compliments on Layton. I wear Sedley the most and gets almost as many compliments. And the one I enjoy wearing the is Pegasus Exclusif. If I had to buy another one it would probably be Habdan. I might need to come back to and try (again) Haltane, Perseus, and Althair.
@ramoneregal83172 ай бұрын
I tried this range and the 2 I liked most are Althair(which gets crapped on which is fantastic year round) also Pegasus Exclusif.
@michaelbullock80112 ай бұрын
Great video and I enjoyed it and I'm a big fan of this brand and have a blessed day
@cruztube232 ай бұрын
I haven't tried many of them, but from the ones I have, this is my list (starting from the most favorite): 1. Althair 2. Haltane 3. Carlisle 4. Sedley 5. Oajan 6. Pegasus 7. Herod I've tried both Laytons (multiple times) but I just don't like them. Althair is a hidden gem that blew my mind and I wore it all the time until the bottle was empty. Can't recommend it enough.
@gregholden88122 ай бұрын
I'm wearing althair on a cool autumn day, and what an amazing fragrance day it has been.
@saabreplay75532 ай бұрын
Great work my man
@tonymarinelli73042 ай бұрын
Great list, Harrod is a BEAST on my skin and is my favorite fragrance period!!
@bottle12112 ай бұрын
Wearing Herod right now. It's super nice. Probably my favorite tobacco scent. Oajan is also really nice. Smells like ink and cinnamon to me. Carlisle is a great. Smells like a oud fragrance but I don't think it has oud in it. And of course Layton. I remember smelling it for the first time and I loved it immediately. To my nose its still incredibly unique.
@peterkorbulak75982 ай бұрын
Nice One J.C. HEROD is my favourite so I'm definitely not offended 😊 #2 Would be CARLISLE and #3 definitely OJAN ❤ Thanks 🙏
@Turkey9362 ай бұрын
I love my Percival!
@ForeverTributesNL28 күн бұрын
Oh HEROD. One of my first fragrences ever. For years I've roamed, and never have I found its match.. Sweet, warm, sensual until next morning. Crazy good!
@DjLoNYC2 ай бұрын
Great job, I would only switch Carlisle and Sedley. Can’t wait to dig into some of your older videos for a good chuckle.
@johnnyscorpio50582 ай бұрын
Nice video. I have Galloway, Percival, Carlisle and Oajan. I really like all of them. However, my best compliment came while wearing Carlisle.
@KingdomPerfumes2 ай бұрын
Great review as always brother! keep it going
@Mrash19882 ай бұрын
Really good vibes from this video. I have always been a big fan of Layton and Sedley 👌🏻
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@sirmarkofgray2 ай бұрын
I agree with you on PDM's quality. I also hesitate to put them in any order since, since I find the ones I love all equally amazing. I don't have your scent vocabulary, but I think of each of them the way I perceive them: For me, Herod is a sweetened, smoky, tobacco blast; while Pegasus is like rice krispies with its snap, crackle, and pop. Carlisle is a sweet, leather beast, what I imagine royalty smells like; Oajan is like a slow-burning, cinnamon-clove fire, and Perseus is a bracing citrus, laser (though it's reminiscent of Bulgari Tyger). Living in NY, I especially love the store on Washington Street, as the staff are the nicest people ever.
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
@allantell78112 ай бұрын
I own 12 PDM. Herod., Layton, Haltane, Pegasus, Layton Exclusif, Perseus, Pegasus Exclusif, Galloway, Carlisle, Greenley, Kalan, and Althair 😅 My top 3: Carlisle, Layton Exclusif and Pegasus Exclusif. ❤
@Funkincense2 ай бұрын
Herod smells so good and I can say that others don't get the longevity either. It's hard to pry my nose away. I would use my bottle up pretty quick. For similar reasons PDM is just out of my league. I've enjoyed all the ones I've smelled. If i could i would have everything of theirs.
@murglasski2 ай бұрын
SOTD is Haltane, just masterful perfumery 🔥
@jts42482 ай бұрын
Herod is my favorite tobacco fragrance. Never had any problems with longevity. I have new and old batch
@On_The_Mark2 ай бұрын
Cool video. Which PDM are you most eager to add to your collection and at which spots in your ranking do you expect they might appear?
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Not sure if I have any particular ones on my radar at the moment!
@AM-my3jkАй бұрын
Percival take is spot on.
@evenflow22ad2 ай бұрын
Great list Justin! Herod is so special to me as well as in it evokes so many beautiful memories. From my own PDM collection, I would rank according to my taste: 1. Herod 2. Althair 3. Oajan 4. Layton 5. Sedley 6. Greenley 7. Pegasus Cheers and have a Blessed Sunday
@pradbitt2 ай бұрын
Great video and selection, it's honestly really hard to pick. But if I could only pick 8, It would be these. 1.Layton (all seasons date night) 2.Herod (fall casual, date night or formal) 3.Pegasus Exclusif (fall date night) 4.Greenley (spring) 5.Sedley (summer) 6.Carlise (winter formal) 7.Haltane (winter date night) 8.Percival (all seasons / white shirt & jeans)
@alibakhtiari24162 ай бұрын
I really like some of the fragrances here, however, i believe Oajan can easily become the number one in your list Justin. Have you tried it?
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Did you see that it was an honorable mentioned at the beginning of the video?
@wtfserpico2 ай бұрын
For me my ranking of those I have is: 5: Sedley 4: Layton 3: Galloway 2: Percival 1: Haltane I really like Perseus and Kalan as well, but don't have bottles. Kalan because my wife isn't a big fan, and Perseus simply because I haven't picked it up yet. I'd probably rate it as #2 between Percival and Haltane if I did have a full bottle.
@scentualobsessions2 ай бұрын
Great list Justin and congratulations on the 100k 💪
@ricki76912 ай бұрын
Herod is very well blended, one of the smoothest fragrances I have ever smelled. Classy too. 🎉
@ejeanbaptiste2 ай бұрын
I love Darley, my favorite is Haltane from the six bottles I own. I plan on getting Pegasus Exclusif soon
@muuisrael2 ай бұрын
I really like Akaster, Nisean and Oajan. Akaster is like Black Aoud but with a wonderful musk in the dry down, it's manly masculine but not too harsh, I prefer it to Ombre Nomade. While Nisean is like Jubilation XXV with a lot of Carlisle's patchouli and Oajan is a better version of Ambre Narguile or Angel's Share with a clean - kind of - soapy dry down.
@5m4llk1ng2 ай бұрын
Never heard of Darley before, but amouage reflection smells so good.. I blind buy pegasus exclusive, but me and my wife love pegasus a lot more.. my favourite will be Layton, Pegasus, Carlisle and Kalan.
@matthewlawson62842 ай бұрын
I love this house so much, pricey but your definitely getting your moneys worth because they last all day and the scent either gets better or stays the same after a few hours. You have to spray these on your skin to get the full depth and performance of these fragrances. So much deeper in the layers compared to on paper. 1.) Carlisle would be my number one from PDM , dark-sweet gourmands are my favorite kind of scents. Carlisle changes after like two hours into a creamy vanilla (which I love). I was going to say it opens up as a green apple with Smokey leather and a vanilla base, but you said “tar” and now I see/smell it! Yeah almost like rubber tires lol but it still gets me compliments every time I wear it with a black leather jacket. 2.) Layton is number two for me, a warm-sweet green apple pie, a nice-guy kind of scent. Exclusif has the same DNA but they added tobacco (very elegant tho) 3.) Pegasus was so weird to me at first but I loved it. It reminds me of two things : a very metallic root beer float or horse hair lol 4.) I sadly personally have to disagree with everyone on Herod. It was a blind buy for me because it still hyped as everyone’s favorite, but I can’t wear it. It just smells too much like cigarette/cigar smoke to me. Like if I just walked into someone’s house and all they do is smoke on their couch. But I can say it does smell high quality but it’s just too real for me. But I love your videos Justin, I’m a follower and your my favorite fragrance enthusiast. I’m always looking for what’s new/good in your opinion. Do you still play music? And how many instruments?
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I still play music, trumpet and piano!
@MpatheticNtrusions2 ай бұрын
1A. Herod 1B. Layton Exclusif 3. Kalan 4.Carlisle 5. Layton 6. Sedley I own three, bought 4 of these and have smelled all 6 plus Percival, Greenley Pegasus, Pegasus Excluif, Akaster, Oajan, Haltane. I didn't add two more because I don't have interest in the others Oojan and Haltane I don't like at all though. I don't think incare much for Greenley either but the others are OK but I wouldn't know where they'd rank for me outside the 6
@masaiwhite59332 ай бұрын
Totally agree with herod and my no.2 is ooajan.
@geecirilo2 ай бұрын
Im surprised that greenley didn’t make it. I love Herod & Layton !!
@lgerard19782 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you! Herod is my top 1! And Percival is the last for me too ! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@Drew_dip2 ай бұрын
I have like a 3-4 year old bottle of Herod, it performs 6-8 hours, moderate projection but I don’t care the scent is the best from the house hands down
@Chris68152 ай бұрын
My three favorite PDM’s are Layton,Pegasus Exclusif and Carlisle. I have sampled Layton Exclusif but it just doesn’t work for me.
@hmemcpy58072 ай бұрын
If you like Herod, do try Divine Vanille from Essential Parfums. Both made by Olivier Pescheux, and smell very similar, but Herod has more tobacco where DV has more cinnamon and wears "lighter", so you don't need it to be very cold to enjoy.
@mohamednayad2 ай бұрын
Your comment is very accurate 👍I bought Divine Vanille last year and I love it , like you said it wears "lighter" than Herod and very well blended but they are very similar and il love the fact that the vanilla note in these these 2 fragrances smell very natural, like a real Vanilla pod.
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
I’ve definitely tried it! Good stuff. I still prefer Herod!
@PremiumWater2 ай бұрын
I agree, Herod is maybe my favorite fragrance at the moment.
@Juniorstyle82 ай бұрын
Herod is the only PdM I have and Nr 🥇😅 It indeed is a very nice fall winter scent.
@robinbauer19752 ай бұрын
Herod lasted 2 days on my wrist despite doing sport showering etc And on the paper strip kilian intoxicated is still smellable since 10 days 😮
@justinobrien92412 ай бұрын
Good review 👍🏻
@robertpatterson31082 ай бұрын
Of the four you showed at the beginning Lippizan is my favorite Marly and Byerley knocked Encre Noire out of my collection. I think you would love Hamdani and Kuhuyan, by far the most interesting from the house, IMO.
@billybattle2 ай бұрын
Haltane is my all time favorite. I’d actually put Layton lower than Percival, I didn’t appreciate Percival at first, but that one is a great reliable all year scent that works better than Layton imo.
@masterofthechimichangas13062 ай бұрын
Percival is so boring though
@YouTubeReady2 ай бұрын
Personally, I can't rank all or many PDM fragrances because I've only have three fragrances thus far, but I don't like Layton Exclusif. The fragrance was wearing me. I wasn't wearing the fragrance, lol. It just didn't mesh well with me. Plus, there was something about it that I felt like I already had or experienced, so I sold it, and I hope the person I sold it to is enjoying it.
@TerpyxPАй бұрын
Carlisle is great. I’m probably gonna check out Herod hearing nothing but good stuff on it!
@AA-jx5fv2 ай бұрын
I also prefer Layton and Herod over Carlisle. I also prefer Pegasus exclusive over its original
@edgarsantana36952 ай бұрын
Layton and Layton elusive don’t worked in my skin. I like Greenley, Sedley, percival and Pegasus. I am still trying to decided which one of those is the one that I am getting.,
@emperormeng2 ай бұрын
My ranking for PDM would be 1 Herod 2 Sedley 3 Carlisle
@Mike-hy8cs2 ай бұрын
Carlisle is my favorite in the house hands down. Godolphin and Pegasus exclusif would be my 2nd and 3rd
@jalpatel96972 ай бұрын
Nothing against anyone but Out of all the fragrance influencers, i must say your recommendation i agree with 100%. Few examples Vertus vanilla oud, Cartier declaration, Michael malul jet black reserve, pdm pegasus exclusif.
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
I'm glad my favorites work for you.
@JustBYou702 ай бұрын
Disappointing that Carlisle is so far down the list but I can appreciate we all have different tastes. At any given time, it rotates between my No.1 to No4 along with Herod, Layton and Oajan. I own 11 btw.
@joseesteves13092 ай бұрын
Awesome video as usual. I like how you explain the reason why each is ranked in the way they are. Great job. I am. PDM freak, and it is difficult for.me to rank them BUT If I had to it would.go.like this -altahir -layton exclussif -kalan -carslile -pegasus exclusif -oajan -godolphin -layton -herod -sedley -greenley
@joshfroese39882 ай бұрын
Herod and layton are my favs of all time👉🏼👈🏼
@alejandrokp84562 ай бұрын
Realistically in the real world even though many fragrance influencers say pdm is so popular the percent of people buying them is very low and no regular person is gonna spend 200 to 300 and up even on discounters it’s just not realistic to but I would say pdm makes really great high quality fragances
@Teeb20232 ай бұрын
I offloaded my 2020 Herod due to it performing so badly. I hated doing so because I loved the scent itself. Maybe time to revisit, if it has been improved.
@mohammeddawood98142 ай бұрын
1-Habdan 2-Herod 3-Carlisle 4-Layton 5-Sedley
@louiscaeiroramos805112 күн бұрын
I have 8 PdM. Many of them in this list. The best is Godolphin. Nothing beats Godolphin when it comes to leather based fragrances.
@EzTradesES-NQАй бұрын
Guys I need opinions, I am 21 years old. I have Layton Xerjoff italica and mefisto And Amouage reflection man Should I get althair, heriod, sedley, or Percival
@stayfreshproductionsАй бұрын
You already have a great and expensive collection. So I have a critical question for you: Why do you need one of those four fragrances?
@EzTradesES-NQАй бұрын
@@stayfreshproductions well ig its not a "need" more of a want for Christmas lol. Can I get your opinion Sir?
@gregboston97562 ай бұрын
What's your thoughts on Parfum De Marly Althair?
@cruztube232 ай бұрын
He will like it very much when he tries it out. To me it's the #1 PdM.
@gregboston97562 ай бұрын
@@cruztube23interesting 🤔 I have a bottle of Parfum De Marly Althair but I never smelled Parfum De Marly Herod if you are referring that one.
@cruztube232 ай бұрын
@@gregboston9756 Nah I'm talking about Althair being the number one in their lineup.
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
It’s very pleasant, but not special to me!
@JoseTorres-zv1fb2 ай бұрын
Just blind bought Oajan. Fingers crossed
@Verhoh2 ай бұрын
Nice video again Justin. I own several perfumes of this house ; Perceval, Layton, Layton exclusive, Sedley, Herods , Kalan. To me Sedley does not do anything at all; no longavity at all. I am not familiar with there newer fragrances. To me Herods and Layton exclusive are the best.
@ryanparker80772 ай бұрын
My current favorite is Oajan. Especially for fall.
@Morowinger2 ай бұрын
So you missed the best, Haltane (way better and smoother than OFG), Oajan (best winterfragrance), Althair (best Orange Vanille Scent). PDM is a great house.
@robertortiz33452 ай бұрын
You must be gate keeping Pegasus exclusive cause that smells like heaven on earth. 🎉
@Gardocki742 ай бұрын
Agreed...wearing it now and looking to add a full bottle.
@duhduh142 ай бұрын
Althair, Haltane, Pegasus Exclusif are my top 3 in no particular order
@ChugginJays2 ай бұрын
My ranking is 1) Carlisle 2) haltane 3) Layton exclusif (Layton exclusif is probably the best smelling of the three but it is just so dominant that you can’t wear it all the time)
@stefanromanescu7242 ай бұрын
Total agree with you
@DannyBoyzZUnited2 ай бұрын
Is herod better than tobacco vanille? Great video btw
@ryanbruner99842 ай бұрын
Yes, most definitely
@bean24192 ай бұрын
@@DannyBoyzZUnited even though they are both Tobacco and Vanilla fragrances, they are two completely different fragrances
@DannyBoyzZUnited2 ай бұрын
@@bean2419 so it’s not redundant to own both?
@bean24192 ай бұрын
@@DannyBoyzZUnited thats for you to decide, even though their scent profiles are very different to me, i would wear them in the same situations and seasons. I recently bought tobacco vanille, so i would recommend that of course :)
@notjaguar63602 ай бұрын
@@DannyBoyzZUnited pdm is way better, it has a hint of cherry too which i get which makes it sexy asf
@ogeenext2 ай бұрын
Hi Justin, what's your take on Godolphin?
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
It’s good-but I prefer Tuscan Leather.
@Asmith2182 ай бұрын
Newer to fragrances than you are and many others i see reviewed so I don't see them as derivative since i just have experienced less scents over all. I have sampled nearly the entire line and bought althair, peg exlusif, sedly and haltane. I'm waiting on a better deal on carlisle to pop up and i've enjoyed the many clones of layton original enough that I won't probably buy a bottle since the added price for an uptick on the quality isn't there though its probably only behind althair and sedly in my favorites. I enjoy your takes on fragrances and have been satisfied with ones I've sampled or blind bought if the markdown was good enough off your recommendations or descriptions even if they weren't a favorite of yours personally.
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏🏾
@rarebreed422 ай бұрын
Herod is so amazing!!!
@ramoneregal83172 ай бұрын
I prefer Pegasus Exclusif to Layton Exclusif it's less jarring
@reeethydroo2 ай бұрын
My cousin keeps on raving about Godolphin. Never tried it but all I know that it's a leather fragrance that shares similarities with tuscan leather. Sadly, the only store that sells PDM in my country is always out of stock cos someone seems to be hording all the releases
@gmoney19612 ай бұрын
Herod is my favorite followed by Layton Exclusive and Pegasus Exclusive.
@RoC9372 ай бұрын
Habdan, Kalan, and Pegasus Exclusif. These fragrances are exquisite
@Mercy_PantsАй бұрын
Honestly Althaïr takes the cake now!
@RonnieMorgan-fw8qj2 ай бұрын
PDM is 1 of the best in the game!!! Freshie? Greenley, Galloway, Perseus, Percival. Colder weather? Herod, Oajon, Carlisle, Haltane, Habdan. Layton is an all year round beast.
@markeletr2 ай бұрын
I think the brand gets criticised because they often make fragrances that are quite similar to other perfumes on the market. It’ll be interesting to get your thoughts on some of these. Every time I smell them they just feel very familiar to something I already have or have smelled for less than half the price and I’m not talking about duplicates. As an example the new one Perseus seems extremely close to Hermes’ Vetiver and Eau Givree
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
I agree with you!
@spinQubit2 ай бұрын
I get like 8 hours on skin out of Herod, with a pretty noticeable presence for the first few hours. I never got the complaints about performance. I also like Haltane quite a bit. I have a 15ml decant, and will have to consider a full bottle after I burn through it.
@flowmeful2 ай бұрын
If you are wearing Layton Exclusif iam staying on the otherside of the room. Worst part is i have a 125ml bottle.... its just so anamalic on me, not a bit darker than Layton but a ton darker, like damp rotting wood aswell. But thats why scent is subjective, you like what you like.
@nuriaashАй бұрын
Ouch…give it here then😎
@ronaldpeterkin4902 ай бұрын
Hi bro thanks for the wonderful videos could you do a review on the fragrances house of Initio they have a lot of gems like Psychedelic Love Paragon and ATOMIC rose top class scents
@stayfreshproductions2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I have spoken about a couple Initios.