Ranting about the B550 Unify-X and B550 Aorus Master rev0.2

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[@Smileypb01]

"This is going to be a bit of a rant video" Yeah, go ahead and name me one of your videos where it isn't a bit of a rant video. Also, you ranting is the main reason I watch your videos.

[@mrlaw9095]

#metoo

[@Azortharion]

came here to say ""This is going to be a bit of a rant video" Yeah, go ahead and name me one of your videos where it isn't a bit of a rant video. Also, you ranting is the main reason I watch your videos."

[@folterknecht1768]

DualBios - "We at Gigabyte know how to piss people off for 15 years+"

[@nathanstribrny3832]

I honestly like the m.2 slots, it’s great for being a clean build with minimum cables but taking lanes and slots away is not the best. Most people probably won’t buy the m.2 cards so I can see why having the slots built in is an idea.

[@Pabloesc571]

it takes up lanes only in cpu mode, you can ran 4 m.2 and dont affect cpu at all. :)

[@camotech1314]

I'm with you on this, I specifically bought MSI B550 Unify for that reason. I don't need any PCIe slots besides one for the GPU. I don't care about running SLI or Crossfire, I don't want to spend extra for adapter cards.

[@WayStedYou]

Orson Krenic: "We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close"

[@stepbruv8780]

“THE VERGE” yeah

[@hughw.]

Hi Buildzoid. Thank you for all the videos. Nice that there have been so many. I bought the Patriot ram 4400 4x8. Thank you.

[@taylorsharp5928]

"This is going to be a bit of a rant video"

[@simoSLJ89]

Yes kinda strange isn't it :D

[@johnrambo7914]

I prefer more M.2 slots because I'm never gonna need sli and won't also use another pcie device. Having the ssd in m.2 slot looks a lot better than having it in a pcie card

[@ZambonieDude]

Buildzoid is still right about M.2 but personally I’d rather not block my GPUs airflow if I’m still going to be using one of the slots to power the M.2 NVMe.

[@Feyangel23]

This rant is really enjoyable cause there's so much to learn from it!

[@dennisw3892]

From a shear performance /oc standpoint, running a simple 1 x GPU, 1 x m2 and 2 sticks of quality ram dimms, being the most recent produced board...isn't this the perfect board to get most out of your cpu/ram considering the overkill vrm setup? (leaving out the non dual bios aspect ) Maybe I am not seeing the issue.. I have a x570 unify, but an wondering if I shall exchange it for a b550 unify-x?

[@dostoveskiee]

How much a difference is the vrms on the b550 master vs the vision D? Is the difference that significant to choose one over the other in terms of just overclocking? Would it be an issue of power delivery or cooling? Vision D's flat heatsinks look like it could be modded pretty easily with some aftermarket heatsinks and thermal pads if cooling was the only issue. I may be regretting my purchase after watching your video tbh D:

[@SLAN-_-]

If the I don't use the extra m.2 slots, will the speed of the graphics card slot return to 4.0 x16 ? How exactly is the graphics card slot affected by adding the extra m.2 slots from the cpu? And thank you for your informative videos.

[@askopte]

OH that's the reason my X570 pro just switching bios revision randomly when i had a pretty severe crash and all my settings were gone. I'm not a overclocker, but setting up XMP and RAID after every crash is tbh pretty ass. Do have a question though, the highest LLC setting in my bios is limited to "turbo", but with that setting on full load i'm still noticing a 0.05v+ voltage drop when in full load (101W, early 3700x). Is that normal?

[@rafaeltb]

In your opinion, what is the best gaming board as off today. So far (at least feature wise and quality) left me on the fence between the Aorus Master b550 and the asus 550-e Strix Gaming. Please advise!

[@gravegore717]

i'm thinking about getting the normal b550 unify, if i run 1 4.0 m.2 and 2 3.0 m.2s, will my gpu still be x16? (with a 5900x)

[@tomstech4390]

Opening this and the GN cyberpunk gpu bench video at same time, Well there's my next 47 minutes allocated.

[@NJcinemaHD]

LOOOL Exactly the same:D

[@stuh.5623]

If I understand this correctly for the B550 Aorus Master the M.2 slot nearest the CPU has direct Gen 4 lanes to the CPU, but the remaining M.2 slots share the 16 lanes with the GPU. So what happens when you use Gen 3 M.2’s in these slots that share the lanes with the GPU, do they still use these same lanes to the CPU or do they connect to the chipset instead, allowing the GPU to use all 16 lanes?

[@Alex-wb2yw]

If you have a Ryzen 5000 chip, can you make a video on Curve Optimizer?

[@Maxdifficultylive]

What is your favourite board?

[@nikle215]

when is the video with the MB comparison from last livestream for gamersnexus coming?

[@martindarlington3862]

I bought mine (b550 master) knowing i wouldn't be populating m.2 slots! and I don't do sli, Buildzoid can you remember what bios you managed to do cl14 in as I'm having the same problem, still not yet managed to boot at cl14 with the last two/three biases, apart from that very pleased with the board, like you wish wish wish they had put a switch, bad decision gigabyte! many thanks for ranting!! will they listen, god can only hope.

[@GearRAAM]

Literally the day I rant to my friends about the whole automatic dual bios mode on my new motherboard (x570 Aorus Master) clearing all my settings, you drop a video. You are validating me dude. That switch is never going back!

[@tomoprime217]

How many pcie lanes are left for my gpu if I use all of the M.2s? I suppose in keeping the Gen 4 speed I'd only use 3 NVMEs striped in raid 0 and abandon the 4th bank. I probably lose some sata ports using that 4th m.2 bank...

[@W4NN1]

What's different on the rev 0.2 aorus master? The color scheme of my Rev 1.0 is different, anything technical changes?

[@slostone3770]

So what happened to the B550 Taichi BZ was so happy about six months ago? Especially now he's got a 4750G to play on it as the B550 board with the top APU specs.

[@Maxdifficultylive]

What cooler do you use?

[@darkpoe]

Hey Buildzoid, a little OT here, but you talked about PCIe lanes, so I might as well ask here... What do you know about the rumor of Gen 11 Intel enabling PCIe 4.0 lanes on Z490 motherboards? Is it possible that this can happen?

[@rise_above2343]

Is the Impact VIII still high up on your AM4 mobo list, or have the newly released mobos like the Dark Hero and Unify X taken the crown? I'm thinking of going Impact VIII with Team Group Xtreme ARGB 3600 CL14.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I'm pretty sure some of the new boards are just better than the Impact from a pure OC perspective. ASUS used the B550i Strix for the DDR4 clock record instead of an impact.

[@macktheinterloper]

"I want to share my thoughts on my almost favourite motherboards and why I hate them so very, very much".

[@questeusher]

Like you said I think they shot include an adapter card for the extra m.2

[@jasonc5761]

If these boards are almost your favourite, what board IS your favourite X570 or B550?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

don't have one ATM. It would probably be an X570 Xtreme rev1.1 or Master 1.1/1.2 if I had one of them. Also I plan to get a Crosshair 8 Dark Hero so that might get the title depending on how it does.

[@nathanringer2964]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking would my 4x8 corsair vengence pro CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 work with the aorus master x570? im running a b450 tomahawk max and can only get the speeds to 3200 and i'd like to get an x570 that can support this ram

[@fattoofittoo7907]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking check ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING

[@paypur8193]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking What's the difference between the crosshair 8 hero and crosshair 8 dark hero?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@paypur8193 DARK hero has a new memory topology and some extra BIOS features.

[@StaK_1980]

Ok, serious but noob question: I'd like to have two Ryzen boards named, one ITX that can support PCI-E gen 4 x16 for the GPU without gimping. (And a nvme, yes, Zoid) And another one that has two PCI-E gen4 x16 without gimp. (Crossfire, for the heck of it) Are there boards like this that are decent at RAM OC (4.000 MHz max)? Because I've seen so many videos that I don't know anymore... :-( Edit: 550 or 570 I don't care, just want to have these features in them without them sucking

[@10ghznetburst]

Yeah, definitely agree with this... I was toying around with some ideas as far as what I would make for a B550 and X570 motherboard if it was up to me and basically I always ended up resorting to pcie to m.2 cards for additional m.2 slots.

[@zdziseq]

I had a strange GB x570pro v1.0 issues on the old bios. When it crash and do post with clear settings it automatically SWITCH bios on SINGLE MB bios! I had upgraded to F10 and after reset its shows F4 in bios menu!! WTH?! Now from F20 its gone but its veeery weird

[@Otawakun]

Looking at the schematic, adding a bios switch seems to be doable but maybe a bit hard. Comparing X570 master and Ultra, I can see it's missing a few transistors and resistors. It seems that -SPI_HOLD is the key.

[@lucasscott7729]

What do you think of the Strix B550-A Gaming? I think it has the Crucial 5100 kit on the QVL and it has Intel 2.5G lan

[@LastSecBloomer]

It's the B550-F, only in different color. Also, the 2.5Gb Intel LAN has some issues that were (supposedly) fixed in the B3 revision of said LAN. Strix boards were shipping with those faulty LANs, I don't know if newer batches have the new B3 revision...you should investigate a little, to see if you can identify it somehow.

[@temporoyale6251]

What is ETT DDR control?

[@Bill-flatplanefool]

Do any of the new gpus actually need more than x8 on pcie 4.0 anyway?

[@MikeJones-bl6lu]

No nor can they do sli or crossfire except for the 3090. Hence they removed extra pcie slots.

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

B550 Unify-X Buildzoid edition when MSI?

[@bbrr374]

Exactly the kind of infos I wanted, big thks!

[@mainly_dyutish9]

I am in love with gigabyte b550 aorus pro ax but won't for a permanent fix for USB 2.0 hitching

[@forktailedd3vil82]

Would you rather see Asus's approach to M.2 by using their "dimm.2" on other boards?

[@maxscholts8649]

Are you planning on OC´ing the fclk when you get a zen 3? I managed to get my 5800x very stable at 2100 with SOC at 1.25v or 2066 at 1.1v.

[@maxscholts8649]

@abels121 asus strix x570-i

[@maxscholts8649]

@abels121 it's a lot of fun figuring out how everything works together: the vddg, vddp and more. My 5800x gets quite hot, but it already runs a lot more stable at lower volts and so cooler when you change the LLC from default to optimized.

[@maxscholts8649]

@grg I'm not sure if it's too much. I switched it back to 1.1/2066 for the time being. I ordered a multimeter to check the actual voltage as there's quite the difference between the input/monitored SOC voltage and the actual voltage.

[@dennisw3892]

would you say the b550 unify is a better board compared to the x570 unify using a 5900x?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

for daily usage I'd rather have the X570.

[@chadmckean9026]

agree pcie > m.2 and why can't we just have dual bios switches or a socketed bios chip (and i know they do not make through hole bios chips i have looked...) if my m.2 is on a pcie slot i can remove the card just like i can unplug my sata drives

[@thomasni123]

If I de-soldered the 2 extra RAM slots on my 4 slot motherboard would it significantly improve RAM OC performance? I wonder if making it a 2 slot would help the OC...

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I'm not aware of anyone having tested that yet so IDK how effective it would be.

[@thomasni123]

I've googled about this but I've found nothing either... May I ask, what factors are there that make a Motherboard "good" at memory overclocking? I've learned of Topology from you... But why are some 4 slot motherboards rated for 5400Mhz+ while others are only rated for like 4000mhz?

[@qlum]

Buildzoid rants about gigabyte dual bios, my reaction: yup. Gigabyte dual bios is workable, but it most certainly is an anti-feature. Even keeping it without adding physical switches they could improve it a lot by a making it visible on which bios chip they are on, and by just adding a way in software / bios to switch chips.

[@terskatti4994]

dude i remember watching your motherboard and gpu pcb videos when you had few thousand subscribers, you blew up it seems.

[@Indrejue]

me looks at title: 'rant video' yeay a 1 hour video looks at time stamp: 27.29 mins Buildzoid are you ok?

[@darchandarchan7036]

stand name: dual bios stand user: gigabyte stand ability: actively makes motherboard worse

[@matthewsmith2385]

Is that a jojoke

[@douglasrichardson1589]

Cringe

[@fracturedlife1393]

My cat makes the "BZ second guessing himself mid rant and about to go off on a tangent" noise when he wants fed.

[@donkeyle6364]

All things considered, how can they sell X570 if B550 boards be better in all reasonable ways?

[@martindarlington3862]

a great board, b550 master love it, but basically the two lower m.2 slots are redundant for me!! not going to compromise gfx card running it at pcle 3.0 ×8 , still waiting for Asus 3080 tuf oc to run at pcle 4 but, think I will still be ×8 if second m.2 slot is used, didn't take a lot of notice when I was looking at mobo's more concerned with other features but with hindsight! Still love it but can the next one just be uncompromised in this area!

[@janprusak]

Dual BIOS on Gigabyte boards is the worst. I have a X570 Aorus Pro and a Ryzen 5900X. The board was shipped with an older BIOS so I had to use QFlash Plus to update the BIOS to a version that supports the new Ryzen CPUs. Worked well. Until the board by itself switches to the backup BIOS which is again the older version without Ryzen 5000 support meaning the PC won't boot until I QFlash Plus again. I tried the F30 and F31 BIOSes, it tried Qflash with "also update backup BIOS", I tried the same with @BIOS from Windows. Still the same. And what is best? The boards switches to backup BIOS even if the PC is disconnected from wall power for more than a few minutes. Not even a failed boot has to occur. Gigabyte Dual BIOS is really an anti-feature.

[@StaK_1980]

Wait , did I catch that right that the first PCI-E slot is just an 8x ???? So the GPU only gets 8x to work with and not 16x ???

[@nathangamble125]

Only if you install PCIe 4.0 SSDs into the 2nd or 3rd M.2 slot. The Unify can also be manually set to run those slots off the chipset (though only PCIe 3.0 x2 each), which leaves all 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes for the top x16 slot.

[@rako81sna]

Totally agree with you. I mean my MSI Mpower z87 sp has dual bios with a switch with indicator LED's green or blue to see which bios you're on, post code, voltage readout points, cmos clear button on the io panel. It even has Baseclock Buttons and a go 2 bios button. Dont actually know the MSRP, but i paid 140 € near release.

[@dw8555]

Excellent, well thought-out rant! Don't second guess yourself!

[@georgeivanov844]

Are you saying that even if I've only one NVMe drive, I'll still be limited to PCIe x8 on my single GPU?

[@mrlaw9095]

I think once the second one gets placed in. And when tje second goes in it also take the third one in with it too even if unused. So it's either 1 m.2 and x 16 or 2 or 3 m.2 drives and x8

[@Ryan-ml7ws]

Only when you use two. This will cause the CPU lanes to run x8/x8

[@MikeJones-bl6lu]

@@mrlaw9095 suspect that the non 4.0 slot on the Unify replaces 2 sata ports just like every other b550 board.

[@creativestarfox]

If you're doing a custom loop water cooling build you might not want to use any PCIe slots for aesthetic reasons, or if you're doing a vertical GPU mount. The extra onboard M.2 might be nice then.

[@ploplek1991]

So when ranting about Asus X570 Dark Hero? :D

[@Blzut3]

The M.2 slot proliferation is the reason I'm still running 1950X. None of the TRX40 boards have 5 pcie slots like my X399 does. As I'm not an overclocker I am actually considering upgrading to the ASRock Rack ROMED8-2T mostly for this reason. Like you say, PCIe slots can be converted to M.2 with cheap passive adapters, so I don't know why people get all excited by high M.2 slot count. With that said, I do think some of the problem could be alleviated if companies would come out with more non-SSD M.2 devices. For example one of my PCIe devices is an IDE controller so I can run an LS-120 drive for copying files such as network drivers over to retro systems. There's no reason this couldn't be an M.2 card, and in fact could be installed into an M.2 slot that's located under the chipset like some boards have. So in some ways an M.2 slot *could* be more flexible if the expansion is entirely internal. But that's not where we are today, and I suspect this type of use will continue to be overlooked for some time. Speaking of M.2 slots not occupying the space of traditional PCIe slots, one could get M.2 to PCIe x4 adapters and then use riser cable to use the vertical mounts on many cases today. Effectively allowing you to go past 7 slots in standard ATX. So there is a happy middle ground, but not holding my breath that anything will change there.

[@g4anode]

To me those M.2 slots (not on those boards though) are useful because my 2 gpu's take up ALL the space. Even if there was a normal pcie lane there, I literally can't access it.

[@Jfat69]

3600 cl14 runs on the gigabyte x570 elite v1.0 fine on any bios (with a 3800x 4x8GB flare-x b-die). The recovery is also quite good for a cheap motherboard. I think I've only resetted CMOS less than 5 times.

[@jammetortiz808]

how about the vision d? i think it fixes the m.2 thingy

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I know I rather like that board.

[@jammetortiz808]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking It also allows the pcie x16 to x8/2x4 and x8/x8 so yeah just a dual and quad (2 slots filled) m.2 adapter should werk

[@BallazYT]

x570 Dark Hero rant video please

[@hanshoz]

i'm fine with m.2 slots, i don't need, never have, hopefully never will, need 2 gpu's in one pc. as long as the m.2 slots work properly, i don't miss anything they "take away". the only problem i usually have, how much do i get from cpu and / or chipset for gpu and all m.2's. just to figure out the restriction bothers me, since i always have to check everything and then i'm still not sure. for me personally, m.2 slots are good for me, although i don't see the need for 3 of them, 2 is my preferred number for m.2 slots. i would fill one right away, and if needed another fast one, and possible, than add later one.

[@abdallahhanoun807]

Pcbs Breakdown plzzzz

[@justinsugden3190]

Get a cheap on/off switch to put inline on the 24 pin cable on the 5v wires

[@bwcbiz]

So the main complaint is that they removed the physical slots for PCIe? Cause the lanes won't get taken away from the graphics slot unless you plug in more than one M.2. Maybe these Mobos are just for a different target market.

[@bwcbiz]

FWIW, number one on my wishlist for next-gen AM5 socket/chipset is 32+ PCIe lanes, followed by more than 2 RAM channels.

[@pyronite3323]

what about the new dark hero? Is it a great one?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I don't have one so IDK

[@shadowopsairman1583]

It has WBs, go to the board sites and look

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@shadowopsairman1583 WBs?

[@ericbromm7524]

Wait, I thought B550 had 20 cpu lanes so one m.2 can be used without pemalty

[@mckayver1306]

Best video ever. also love my x570 master.

[@nighthog7003]

Clear CMOS usually works to get back to main bios on Gigabyte Dual Bios implementations that don't have switches. Pressing down "reset" for a while when you power on the system will also switch the BIOS.

[@ZambonieDude]

Holding Reset or continuously resetting?

[@nighthog7003]

You power on and then press down reset for a while, depends a little on how long is needed but might need a little practice to get the timing "right". It's a little wonky to get working consistently, might need a few tries at it.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

I do agree that 3+ m.2 slots on something that isn't an HEDT platform is just silly, for much the same reasons you already listed. IMO, two on a mainstream platform is fine. But I'm also the kind of fella that would also want to have a dedicated sound card, capture card and if I ever had a use case for it, an internal wifi card as a way to fill out the expandability, in addition to whatever needed for more (fast) storage. As it is, trying to figure out if there are any viable mATX upgrade options past AM3+ because my fx based cube pc might not be cutitng it for the home theater duties I was expecting it to do. It just croaks in trying to encode an NDI capture, where an old(er) Sandy Bridge handles it. but the case it's in can't fit more than an mATX, and mITX is too limited to be useful to me.

[@EmilyRose0]

Good that I kind of randomly ended up here. I just plan to buy a B550 board and was searching for one with 2xM.2 slots, so I can continue to use my old SSD. If a very cheap adapter card is all I need, I do not need to think about M.2 slots at all.

[@techfan7808]

You get the feeling that gigabyte default is if timings fail just clear the bios and start again bc lord forbid it loads a different profile for working ram oc

[@KieranShort]

Yes but you can still do stuff with m2 slots beyond wifi and data storage.. Eg. Asrock just released an m2 vga video card. It's very rudimentary, but it's a start.

[@LA-MJ]

Prime X570-pro has bifurcation on the second x8 slot and is a smidge cheaper

[@adamkowalczyk9791]

Adapter card for m2 restrict airflow so m2 is better for normal use with overclocking, especially when you have 3 pcie slots, and usually ppl use one for gpu, sometimes 2, very rarely 3.

[@jaguilar101]

What is the best motherboard for a 5800X? Like under 350 dollars?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

define best.

[@jaguilar101]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Well the best board for overclocking my cpu. 5800X, and I bought 64gbs of Gskill TridentZ Neo 3600 ram. I have 2 M.2 ssds, but don't plan on adding more.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@jaguilar101 I'd probably go for an X570 Unify or an X570 Master.

[@jaguilar101]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thanks for your time and help will get on it.

[@dennisw3892]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking would you say that the Asus Strix gaming f is a much worse choice when it comes to oc the 5900x and it part quality, since its newer?

[@SiliconPower74]

A simple jumper to choose the bios you want

[@zstation64]

Truth. My Crosshair Hero drops the 16x slot to 8x if you put an NVMe in the CPU slot. If you use the chipset NVMe M.2 the bottom 4x slot stops working, so I have to ram my 10GBe card in the 8x slot, which drops the 16x to 8x. Which is why I don’t use that board any more. So, I’m back to a Z390/9900K. However, my Strix B550I doesn’t do this.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Buildzoid, Totally agree, especially the Unify-X as it is supposed to be an OC Motherboard, why do you need so many M.2 that take away from GPU performance, that seems more like a business use case, not a Motherboard meant for OC playing with CPU, RAM & GPUs

[@shshankking]

Why Gigabyte's rev 0.2 board, i.e X570 master, Xtream are better in memory oc then previous one? I have 1.0 X570 Aorus master and they fucking updated it just when I bought. Same for 3080, i was able to buy 3080 Master from retail shop, and they released second revision of it with 3 x 8pin connectors. I mean made up ur mind before releasing or delay the launch.

[@benjaminm927]

Agree. I was also interested in the Auros Master until I realized the M.2 configuration was so strange.

[@timeDrapery]

I've had no problems with dual BIOS although I'd have to agree with you (and you're not crazy because of your frustrations, that's valid) when you say that a switch should be used to shuffle between the two BIOS chips

[@knooters]

I got the B550 Unify non-X simply because of the m.2 slots :) Sure, I could always buy some add-on card, but that just makes the whole build less clean. And, adapter cards aren't exactly free.

[@camotech1314]

Exactly, plenty of boards out there with many PCIe slots. Leave these boards as they are, it's already bad enough there's very few of them.

[@CknSalad]

What’s the best matx amd board?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

depends what you need the board to do.

[@CknSalad]

Actually Hardcore Overclocking overclocking. Looking at either a 5800X or 5900X.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@CknSalad B550M Mortar

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)

[@nitefly99]

Hi - You mentioned at the end of your video you'd like thoughts and suggestions. With that in mind, I think videos like this are a lot better when they are more concise. I appreciate that a 'rant' is a little 'loose' by the very nature of it being a 'rant' but nevertheless that's where I feel there is room for improvement. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@tonkatoytruck]

What about the Tomahawks?

[@user-y6f]

The tomahawks were designed as a basline board in mid raged price, the x570 has a good VRM and all but they werent specifically marketed as OCing boards

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

Here's a serious question though: Why should I give a shit about memory overclocking on an AM4 board if not even Ryzen 5000s can do a 2000mhz Fclk?

[@jhny0]

Fax

[@niels7094]

You can still mess with the timings though. Youre right it wont be faster than 5kmhz, but it wont be that big of a difference.

[@StaK_1980]

Ryzens can do 2.000 MHz. It's just that the motherboards are generally crap at it. You'll need to select the right board, with the right memory and pair it with a decent PSU. That's a couple of IFs not many are willing to do.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

The only advantage of having M.2 laying on the board, rather than on a PCI-E breakout card, is the low profile. If you install a GPU with a 3-3.5 slot cooler, that is probably going to make it impossible to plug in an adaptor card to a slot that gets CPU lanes. Or you would have to drag the CPU lanes all the way down to slot 6 or 7, which is a signal integrity nightmare for PCI-E 4.0, and on top of that, having your second x8 slot at position 6 or 7 might make it difficult to use it for a second 3 slot GPU in normal cases.

[@aarongallagher9345]

No dual bios on an ATX board in general is a no go for me. I've been buying mITX since 2014 though so I'm almost locked into asus's impact series. I run the DTX impact VII x570 and that board is overbuilt as hell. No dual bios though and even think the eeprom is socketed but that board already has so much more than a mITX should. Without need for compromise though on an ATX board its pretty dumb not to.

[@jetpil0t]

You could potentially use $40 M.2 PCIEx4 risers to jump the SSD bays into open PCIEx4 slots, I have done this with AMD 16 lane GPUs on Intel Z170 and X370 motherboards, so I assume it would work for other add in cards on most other boards. Though granted, the design of these boards is totally awful. Where are the good 4 slot boards with sensible PCIe lane configurations.

[@LastSecBloomer]

Gigabyte: "Who cares about a switch on a $250+ board, look at the pretty lights, hurr durr!"

[@franzhose01]

ASrock Z87 Killer has Dual Bios, set by a jumper. The board was about 125 € back in 2014.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

exactly my point.

[@borealeone]

My Asrock Z68 extreme 3 had a post code, on/off buttons, removable bios (which is very good considering that ME firmware always got borked on sandy/ivy), all of that for $150 or so.

[@LA-MJ]

How does one even know which bios one is on with gigabyte?

[@chrislawson3418]

You don't, thats the problem they switch back and forth automatically.

[@MerseYattle]

How does one even know which bios is on? gigabyte: yes leaves the chat

[@edplat2367]

Supplemental 6 pin for a non-sli board...

[@julian.morgan]

18:50 Have also been driven temporarily insane by Gigabyte's dual BIOS implementation. I don't do a lot of overclocking but I do like to run multiple OS's so I'm often tweaking things in BIOS to try to hit upon settings that deliver the best performance across Windows, Linux and Mac OS's, especially with the latter, when a simple BIOS setting can make all the difference between bootable and not. One of the things that keeps on coming up with Gigabyte mobos is that the dual BIOS is inherently unstable because of the way it "automatically" switches from M to B chips. I've had to reflash one board with a CH341a programmer because the bottom line is that the B BIOS doesn't actually do its primary job of providing a back up. My point is that this random switching is happening with very very basic changes to BIOS settings, and isn't just happening with the more extreme tweaks and testing to the point of crashing that's part and parcel of overclocking. 20:49 Should have listened to more rant before posting :) Buildzoid said it already ! Also more generally (re M.2 and PCIe) it's extremely frustrating that marketing departments seem to be endlessly setting agendas that actual users have no interest in whatsoever, especially when it makes the boards less effective and really stupidly, more expensive to manufacture. I loathe Apple for all kinds of reasons, but far and away their worst crime has been to show other companies that you can get filthy rich by being supremely arrogant regarding customer feedback . . . "They don't know what they want, we have to build it and then tell them they want what we sell."

[@TheBackyardChemist]

There is a very easy trick for draining 5Vsb power: you try to power on the board immediately after you have flipped the switch to off on the PSU. The board will still have 5Vsb, and try to start up everything, which will drain the capacitors of the PSU. Or alternatively you could find some USB ports that stay powered from 5Vsb all the time, and plug in something dumb, like a USB coffee cup heater that drains power continuously. OR, you could also solder a large power resistor to the back of the board, between 5Vsb and GND.