Rare Chord: maj7‡6‡9add12 is a harmonic object in 31edo

Near JI Alignment / 31
31:53:58 in 31-edo.
When you isolate it from the rest of the 31 chordmass in the uppermid area it really shines :D
less effective when adding voices. This combination sounds so concordant and very JI.
It loses a lot of it's concordance when you add a perfect fifth or add a lower rooted octave because it's "primordial" object its aligning next to is these higher prime relationships which don't have a 3/2 till a bit higher and don't have octaves below them any sooner.
It's the R - ‡6 - 7
The result is a concordance which emerges in the mid - high range when isolated as a 3-note triad. This inversion and formation of it onto /31 gives the best concordance because of both harmonic height vs voicing. Basically if rooted on 29, now you have a pinched interval 29:31 so naturally the overall discordance will increase relative to a wider spacing of like 31:53.
Voicing onto 53 will give the most "compact" expression but also a much higher suggestion of harmonic
Voicing it off the /31 and respecting that vertical is a really nice hidden object in 31.
31:53:58
0: 1/1 0.0
1: 53/31 928.4
2: 58/31 1084.5
3: 2/1 1200.0
31-edo
0: 1/1 0.0
1: 24\31 929.0
2: 28\31 1083.8
.6c error and .7c error across the whole triad.
Interesting to me because it gives a different interpretation of the Major 7th inside of 31edo, instead of looking at it as a somewhat damaged 15/8, this rendering places it in the spectrum as a 58th above /31 (a much closer approximation ~.7 c)
This interpretation doesn’t extend to saying - view 31edo maj7 as 1/1 - 5/4 - 53/31 because of the way verticality works. Interval composites become creepingly more complex.
#harmony #microtonality #musictheory #chords

[@undesiradude]

Babe, wake up! New 31-EDO chord theory just dropped.

[@unble]

It's like when you're pouring out your soul to someone but they aren't listening

[@wiegraf9009]

I love how this is slightly uncomfortable and relaxing at the same time.

[@comet1618]

This is how human music sounds to the aliens

[@robbes7rh]

I think that would depend where they sit on the evolutionary spectrum of consciousness. The overtone series of a pitch is a universal phenomenon of physics. Dogs and cats can hear a lot more of the sound spectrum than can we due our larger outer brain taking real estate from certain autonomic functions like hearing and smell. But these animals don’t respond emotionally to music. How would Paleolithic humans respond to Wagner or Stravinsky?Perhaps an alien species of humanoid creatures that has a 100,000 year head start in terms of evolution might find Wagner and Stravinsky unbearably primitive.

[@desertfriend9090]

@@robbes7rh have you seen videos of dogs listening to music? how could we assume that music doesn't evoke emotion in them? also how would we know if music would sound primitive to aliens who have had a head start in evolution? how could we assume that a longer span of evolution could mean more "progress" or less "primitiveness"? and maybe aliens would have a whole different idea of music. maybe they could have a sense that is different than anything we could ever understand, something that is only felt by them, something that is not quite like music?

[@robbes7rh]

@@desertfriend9090 -- I haven't seen videos, just observing pets I've had in my life. And as far as aliens, we don't even know if they exist, let alone their characteristics, whether they have a passion for art or whatever. As far as the trajectory of evolution I can only speak as a human where we experience growth in consciousness and intellect, complexity, and technology.

[@MonkeyMagikz]

@@robbes7rhwagner and stravinsky are unbearably primitive…

[@fotgjengeren]

The crunchiness of these chords is vivid

[@ZheannaErose]

the power of the harmonic objects!! :D

[@markjackson5628]

This is awesome. Makes me imagine someone lost in a forest at night, feeling hopeless and desperately trying to find a way out. Realizing that there's no point in trying to get out in the darkness, they eventually decide to lie down and gaze at the stars

[@ZheannaErose]

Love these descriptive interpretations!! Thanks for painting such a vivid account! :3

[@Sensei_Sean]

​@@ZheannaErose ❤💕

[@epiphoney]

It's a Dark Forest, dude. Keep your head down!

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For the history books: irony fat was here

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As was Matt-id4ug

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@@Matt-id4ug As was Thomas-yl8lb :)

[@-47-]

47 reporting for duty

[@We-all-watched-the-video]

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[@Youtube.Commen-tater]

Donkey!

[@miki890098]

I love how 31-edo allows the piano to have much more timbre diversity through the use of harmony. If this would have been practical to use in the 19-20th century, this would have been what composers such as Ravel or Debussy would have used in their compositions.

[@stephenweigel]

I hope to god you’ve heard the ray kallay duo, Christopher Bailey, or Michael Harrison

[@Muzikman127]

@@stephenweigel why?

[@Muzikman127]

@@stephenweigel who are they, and what should we listen to by them?

[@stephenweigel]

@@Muzikman127 they’re great 21st century composers and performers who use the piano in the exact way this commenter described. Ray Kallay Duo - Beyond 12 Christopher Bailey - Glimmering Webs Michael Harrison - Revelation Kyle Gann - Hyperchromatica Taylor Brook -Virtutes Occultae

[@rautvinz]

I've never had an experience that replicated the first time I've heard Ravel's Miroirs for the first time. The sensation of full body chills when I was 14. I watched this video in a busy restaurant with one earbud in and the visceral experience reminded me of that concert when i was young. Thank you for this slice of musical euphoria Erose! I hope you continue this channel, I'm excited to see where this medium will go.

[@Daug7add9addb13]

I wish my brain was big enough to understand this. This is so cool :DDDD

[@ZheannaErose]

a fortunate moment of alignment in which a Root - Major Sixth - Major Seventh is only 1 semisharp away in 31edo from well approximating the 31:53:58 harmonic series object. Gives this chord a very particular concordance less accessible in more fundamentals sonorities in 31edo. Can be naturally extended following the /31 harmonic series alignments. The next one after R - ^6 - 7 is the ^9 giving; 31:53:58:71

[@fiftysecwithoutza]

@@ZheannaErose you definitely have Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein somewhere in your family tree

[@Moisha695]

​didn't understood a word out of this​ lol@@ZheannaErose

[@malignanttuna7790]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@ZheannaEroseOh! So 31:53:58 are interval ratios that appear in the harmonic series which aren’t able to be played in 12edo but can be approximated in 31edo?

[@Muzikman127]

@@malignanttuna7790 yes

[@tylers9006]

I love the bell-like sound it has from all the overtone approximations. It makes me wish Messiaen had access to this sort of microtonal scale. It seems like it would be super effective for mimicking bird calls and bells just because of how you can really reach those high overtones very precisely

[@jaydugger3291]

Glad these have returned. Thank you for this work.

[@izaaci.m.b.5172]

Through this video I decided to take a look at your channel and I came to the conclusion that I have no idea what it's about, but I still loved it :D

[@LeslieJelly]

This is bloody amazing❤

[@andyzacek9760]

That final chord like jumping into a cold lake oooh

[@UndulaeMusic]

spent weeks in the rare chord mines type beat

[@ConvincingPeople]

I was confused for a moment because I hadn't read the description and there's a typo describing the upper number in the otonal triad as 59 rather than 58 near the beginning but then I saw the 58s elsewhere and did the mental math again and realised what had happened. Anyway! Really high harmonics like this are fascinating because they blur the line between these very discrete harmonic relationships you have further down the series and specific temperaments of those relationships achieved through substitution with more complex ratios, with certain intervals melting into one another in a slightly uncanny way.

[@chinchirap]

This is how alien music sounds to the humans (literally out of this world. wow)

[@eddywhitemusic]

Yay these are back

[@ZheannaErose]

yes :3

[@IBHID]

@@ZheannaErose Your work blows my mind every time, thank you so much for all that you do!

[@lainawesome]

this sounds strangely beautiful, i could listen to a whole album of this

[@stephenweigel]

@JN-so6wtand Aphex twin also uses microtonality!

[@baraharonovich2926]

Beautiful harmonies, I would love to hear more!

[@Phobic_Nova]

THE DOPAMINE WHEN I SAW A NEW UPLOAD FROM YE- this sounds like either trying damn hard to pick up the pieces of a fuzzy memory, and/or tryna keep intrusive thoughts from spiralin-

[@suomeaboo]

always happy to see more 31-edo content !

[@mymyscellany]

Thank you for this series

[@fesh]

0:51 is just genuinely insane i dont think theres really a word that encapsulates the density of this moment

[@LeoLeSchmartie2053YAEY]

This is a such a warm piece, although not as bright as ohremya, but it sounds, calm, warm and sensational

[@abitsai]

ethereal and beautiful sounds 🎶

[@modalmixture]

THE CRUNCH MUST FLOW

[@user-cq8xi1uk4o]

This is awesome, I need a book about composing in 31-tet now

[@ulfblomqvist6419]

Please, never stop blessing us with these nuggets of gold ❤

[@yeetthebeet]

gnarly harmonies!

[@masoncamera273]

new xenharmonic video just dropped never clicked faster

[@zhou_sei]

always a special time when the new rare chord shows up in my feed

[@onesangarukurieitivumajokko]

Oh, this reminds me of our home planet)

[@TerminallyOnline92]

amazing

[@dogwithabome630]

all of this is finally starting to make sense im so happy

[@TachyBunker]

Looove the experimentation

[@mtrsoftwareservices]

Wow 😳 This is lovely

[@maxi_rios_]

I want to know how that wheel works

[@bilgemill]

you are such an inspiration, Zheanna

[@xenura]

0:53 absolutely gorgeous

[@ULTyOsvald]

that last chord was beautiful (⁠*⁠´⁠ω⁠｀⁠*⁠)

[@rosshoyt2030]

Your music just makes me smile!

[@borzydar1196]

So cool

[@adriaantje113]

Stunning end chord!

[@Phobic_Nova]

cryin to this song rn, been a rough week n ngl yer music gets me through some hella shitty shit-

[@kitsubi11]

Aaaa im in love

[@Ookaymusic]

Obsessed

[@colenoblit6129]

Truly grateful that some people like you are doing something different. The notation is meticulously done. I have really enjoyed most all of what you have made so far.

[@danielschell690]

Great piece! I wonder if you wrote that using Open Music from Ircam. Bravo anyway

[@BlossomingMoonliiight_]

chaotic neutral music rpg role

[@perdifoil]

it's like i can feel it flaying my nerves open to soothe them with a direct connection fhskdhskjxksjdj

[@iamtheaudiophile]

its crazy how much neutral those 0 6 12 - 0 24 48

[@Pax_Mayn3]

Could see this in earthbound

[@iamglob]

Amazing

[@user-ub7fb1uy8n]

Very emotional

[@zackbrian8012]

Beautiful.

[@Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX]

0:11 reminds me of terry riley's harp of new albion

[@cellularautomaton.]

so pretty!

[@classicallpvault8251]

I'd be curious what the result would be if one were to apply this harmonic system in the framework of the classical sonata form, theme and variations, or even a symphonic work in 4 movements. Imagine something along the lines of Max Reger vaping DMT rather than getting hammered on Schnapps.

[@cecilia.santana]

So beautiful! Thanks, Zheanna ❤ I hope you don't mind me asking, but if I were to study 31-edo and other microtonal systems in the future, what would you recommend I study prior to those as foundational knowledge? I have no idea where to start or what this would require of me.

[@XahhaTheCrimson]

I wonder how you choose such beautiful stacks of notes when you're composing. I think theory does give you insight or direction, but it doesn't tell the concrete selections of pitches. Do you explore them with your microtonal instrument?

[@ZheannaErose]

i listen to and embody everything deeply. theory is not generative. it can be used generatively by a generative being. this requires immanent action and direct contact with the medium.

[@Phobic_Nova]

also what software(s) do you use to make microtonal stuff?

[@A.B.H_da-goat]

Imagine actually trying to play this 💀💀

[@sameash3153]

What was so bad about music that you had to do this to it?

[@pomoc.productions]

I would love to improvise to those chords, with a modified guitar..

[@matthaines9400]

It's good but it won't replace music

[@stephenweigel]

Too late

[@stefangoncharov8609]

I feel a wide range of emotions in some chords. Could you share how you do playback? Is this some kind of notation program or are you running a MIDI file through DAW? Do you use any specific sound libraries or what?

[@immalogg1642]

I need to understand this. How do I understand this when I have not yet mastered 12-edo in the slightest. I try to compose and my writing just sounds immature and shit. Please guide me.

[@jebbush3130]

what?

[@nycReaching]

thatll work

[@lo-fi-luna]

Ive been dabbing in microtonality since ableton 12 released with its tuning system features I still havent made a full song in it ahh

[@Ronkz]

what program did you use to visualise the overtones?

[@ZheannaErose]

“Zheel”, a custom program built by a friend based on specs I invented for the zhean wheels to illustrate alignments of regular vs irregular spaces.

[@cnagorka]

Is this being played on a Lumatone? Also, is this a VST instrument providing the sound? I may have to get in to this myself.

[@simonsanchezkumrich8489]

I think she uses pianoteq vst

[@arisumego]

what does the term "harmonic object" mean in this context

[@sagandalya108]

Could work with some chinese reed flute

[@ixix7359]

atonal🥰

[@masklavier]

What chord analyzer app is that?

[@ZheannaErose]

its my zhean wheel application. it's not public. maybe sometime i will release it!

[@CypiXmusic]

Oh shit, the infamous maj7‡6‡9add12, or how mere mortals call it: dissonance 😜

[@CypiXmusic]

Just mildly poking fun btw ;) Don't take it seriously. It sounds interesting for sure

[@victork8708]

how do you write it in 31edo with notation???

[@ezkillz]

what program do u use to compose these pieces?

[@simonsanchezkumrich8489]

Probably pianoteq vst

[@ezkillz]

@@simonsanchezkumrich8489 ty

[@pcaridad]

Luckily this music is not "sensured" 😅

[@allenptc]

There are some unconfortable pitches, they set me in awkward mood

[@seemsfamiliar]

you need to tune the piano!

[@zackrickabaugh5456]

Very non wobbly music!

[@TheAndyT13]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_equal_temperament

[@Imabeatyouman]

Ok genuine question. Why do I severely dislike the sound. I understand little about music theory, I have good sense of pitch and can copy Melody pretty easily. I play an instrument ok, but beyond that I’m not trained in theory or professional music The effort and musical prowess that musicians who work in microtone such as yourself, is not lost on me but something about these chords are incredibly jarring. It just sounds so off key