Ford's Rare 427 MONSTER That Dodge Was Scared To Race - The 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt

[@rarecars3336]

EDIT: I totally didn’t even realize I said “4 speed automatic transmission”, it is in fact a 3 speed so my apologies there ❤

[@kramnull8962]

There was an overdrive back in the early 60's behind a 390FE, I think the Starliners was most common. Another Love hate relationships back then though. You may have heard that transmission combo mentioned and got it in this vid....

[@charliechristie2949]

I think we all knew what you meant ! By the way, it wasn't too hard to tell which manufacturers' cars you like. Great video ! ! Thank you !

[@paulpasternak2026]

Mercury meteor 1962+1963 406 6bbl too dog of 5 available engines small 6 big six 221 or 260 small block v8s and the 406-406hp. Very rare and years earlier than the gto

[@waynecronan4160]

Do you understand that I ran a 409 63 Impala that in1965 ran 11.18 et and 118 mph in a quarter mile. My name is Wayne Cronan

[@charliechristie2949]

@@waynecronan4160 SWEET !

[@71rcode72]

As a true Ford guy and former Year One employee 30 years ago surrounded by GM and Mopar lovers, I believe every manufacturer was amazing in their own way and I admire them all. Designs performance Etc

[@jimdodge5766]

The Fairlane and galaxy were good looking cars. I would love to have a new thunderbolt.

[@nathanadrian7797]

I am a Mopar nut, but last summer I saw a baby blue 63/64 Galaxie 500 in Creston B.C., what a beautiful car!

[@Scottocaster6668]

9:56 That Thunderbolt is Gorgeous. Thanks for the ride along footage. That was great 8:33.

[@michaelholt8590]

I seen one of these at the biannual car show at Charlotte Motor Speedway in 1995. It looked badass and when it started it shook the ground.

[@whocares43003]

This is my dream car. I have wanted one since I heard about it when I was 14. I had a 64 that I was gonna make a clone with, but it was given away while I was deployed to Iraq.

[@rctopfueler2841]

it was. sweet seeing my hometown favorite in all its glory. RIP marv tonkin ford

[@keithharley9729]

Those Thunderbolts were very fast. Saw them at Niagara Dragway. They cleaned up!

[@ricf9592]

Just watched this car overtake a MK1 Lotus Cortina. Yeah!

[@StevenConstantine-fw2kn]

They are beautiful autos

[@georgepretnick4460]

I may have missed you saying anything about the Holman Moody 427 SOHC Cammer engine which has been claimed to have close to 700 HP.

[@brianbray2721]

I love Ford and dodge but never seen beat many 426

[@richardturk7162]

My cousin had one of the 100 thuderbolts it was white and a 4 speed.

[@RicherPickle]

I had National Record in A/S in 1966 for 2 weeks with my 1963 1/2 Galaxy 500 XL at Island Dragway. I turned 11.9 & 123 mph. I drove for Michael Ford Drag team, Whitehouse, N.J. The XL was 14 pounds heavier than the bench seat so it made it into A/S by a 'hair'. I weighed 123 pounds. A light 17-year old driver. We blew a 9" rear every weekend, but FoMoCo paid the bills! Those were the days! I'm 74 now and ride fast bikes!

[@rarecars3336]

Wow sounds like you sir have lived life to the fullest!

[@rctopfueler2841]

my dad had a 63.5 with the R code in bright red what a beast ,it got traded away in gas embargo for a sp311 roadster .. duhh dad nice job

[@DollaHowsMyDictate]

Nice my dad didnt have a record ..but same track in a 69 RR 383 , a marine head two 650 double pumpers An the usuals the head man headers , mild cam, air ride an mickeys all around an more im sure ! he passed away . He an his pals built it in my grampas drive way in 2 wks ..was a 69 383 auto ..he blew the motor a put a 68 383 in it and a 4 speed tranny in 72 ,car was a beauty ..Torque monster, lift front tires off .a couple pics of that lol ..all i have left is pics ..ran 11.9 .. 1/4 his best run

[@michaelraddish7898]

Was 11 84 in 68 Robert pond,California 427 single 4brl. 410 hp Fairlane

[@JackDavenport-e3j]

Cool

[@richardlively1666]

Guys the power is something to behold, but the styling in the 50's , 60's, and 70's was a work of art. Everything, almost, today is a cookie cutter version of something else. IM glad and blessed to be a part of that generation!!

[@bongodave13]

I like the styling of my cars; a 2017 Fiesta ST and a 2018 Ecosport SES. They are not sculptures like the muscle cars of yore, but they are reliable, user-friendly appliances.

[@rogerjensen6630]

Yup! Back when the chrome was thick, and the women were straight!

[@grantellis3046]

You young kids really don’t know everything. NASCAR, NHRA, and every racing sport has and always will try to ensure that a Chevy, or at least GM will win most races. Do your research. Just sayin

[@ericwhitehead6451]

Truth.

[@johnhegarty1761]

How many ford's have ever been legislated out of NASCAR? How many GM and Chrysler vehicles let's see the Hemi cars, the 427 mystery motor cars, the Chevelle Lagunas. How About Ford's bogus Taurus's? Funny how it's always the Ford crybabies who whine the loudest!

[@BrianBattles]

Why?

[@jimmymccormick142]

Awesome car Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it

[@bradhardy2629]

Keep living your pipe dream. In denial. Hemi smoked um all 68 Hurst hemi Darts and Barracudas ruled the strip boo hoo

[@CoyoteFTW]

@@bradhardy2629ss/a and ss/b record holders are both 427 thunderbolts …

[@67marlins]

As a Ford guy, I doubt Dodge was scared.....but chevy was.

[@notwaiting]

Ding! Ding! Ding!

[@SealofPerfection]

Chevy wasn't worried. GM wasn't even in racing at that time, until about 71.

[@67marlins]

@Pacfanweb I guess if your 350 is always broken down over at your Grandmother's house, then maybe not.

[@SealofPerfection]

@@67marlinslol, that doesn't even make sense. The only reason Ford and Mopar had their "happy time" in the mid-to-late 60's was due to GM's corporate ban on racing. Some individuals still back-doored some stuff, but there was no corporate GM racing at all during that time. So Ford/Mopar were free to do whatever, and they surely came up with some cool stuff that was good for those times.

[@67marlins]

@Pacfanweb Ah, I see another point sailed over your head. Again. Bye.

[@Jdub6580]

I'm so glad you've covered the Fairlane thunderbolt bro. This is probably one of my top five favorite cars of all time. Who doesn't love fake headlights designed to conceal huge air intakes?

[@James-j4l2y]

A '65 Mercury Caliente also struck fear in the hearts of many competitors at the Track with this motor under the hood.

[@angelaprater2679]

And they looked GOOD.

[@anarchistdan]

Today dodge took notes

[@kellynestegard5208]

One windshield wiper, one sun visor, no heater or radio, plexiglass windows; all business.

[@jakobquick6875]

Great beautiful car, but almost 13:1 compression on lead 64 gas… Hmmm wonder why they ran great or total shit….my pops was in Indy and Pomona and many other tracks and he says “ they ran like a bat outta hell or they backfired and pooped at the line🎉 Just like the early hemi cars no jokes

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Obviously 426 Hemi cars were not available yet but to me the really glaring part missing from this rather poor video is ZERO mention of the difference between low, medium and high rise 427 Ford engines and the effect those differences had on the 427 Ford engine horsepower. Earlier 427 Fords were all low risers except some factory backed racers. A current day 427 Thunderbolt high riser with the benefit of a clutchless 4 speed and a ladder bar rear suspension and a bit more compression and a roller cam and 50 years of 427 Ford experience currently runs very low 8 second times. I think as manufactured with a bit of experienced tuning the 64 Thunderbolt engine would produce about 525 flywheel horsepower. NOT A STREET ENGINE but a made for racing special side oiler 427.

[@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys]

As a Ford Guy I always thought The Thunderbolt was the most impressive at the track. The sound alone would raise my blood pressure~! Great video and The Narration was excellent and added to the thrill~!

[@earlrichardson385]

…..everybody lies about horsepower😉.

[@raymunchieftain4170]

Thunderbolt !!!! One of the most beautiful and fierce iconic vehicles ever made !!!!!!!!

[@BMS06701]

As a Mopar guy I enjoyed this video. This is one Ford can be proud of for sure. I will tell you though us mopar guys aren't afraid of anything. Especially not competition. We will race it even if we know odds are against us because typically they are.

[@babydriver8134]

I was a 16 year old who knew nothing about cars. I was tasked to drive a Malibu SS 396 from downtown LA to Thousand Oaks. I stopped for gas at our regular station and the gas jocky challenged me, saying 'I have a 383 over there says it's just as good. I couldn´t doubt him.

[@brucejessie]

Admittedly I lean toward Ford, however I like and appreciate all the old American iron. When I saw the title of this vid, I thought it was a bit of hyperbole. I know Mopar guys, and they aren't scared to race anyone. 🙂

[@me3333]

BMS I am a ford guy although as I age I have grown to appreciate all older cars. I have seen many a bigblock Dodge put the woopins on Mustangs, Camaros as well as other Dodges. The 440 is a beast and of course the 426 never fails to impress. The biggest problem with Dodge is their weight and they are expensive but they are tough.

[@1951RKP]

In todays form Ray Paquet has ran mid to low 8 second with his Thunderbolt. He estimates about 900 horsepower and shifts the engine at 9,200 RPM.

[@mhenderson1000]

Ray's car is really nice. Saw this baby in 2021 at the US Nationals..Show quality and stupid fast.

[@graybeard2113]

And back mid-70s, I think it was Bob Glidden I saw at Blaney Drag Strip, running 9sec Pro-Stock times. And we thought that was fast.

[@donaldkgarman296]

THAT MUST BE WITH NITRO........IN THE 1964 RACES NITRO WAS ILLEGAL FOR FACTORY RACES .

[@mhenderson1000]

@donaldkgarman296 You must not watch or attend NHRA races..Just KZbin Ray's car and you will see how fast that Thunderbolt is..I've seen this car at many NHRA races because I'm a crew guy on NHRA Top Sportsman car.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@graybeard2113- Bob was a solid Ford man and captured 10 NHRA Championships. RIP, Bob.

[@ccrider77]

Dodge was never "scared" to race Fords on the dragstrip, or on the ovals. That's hyperbole... However the lightweight Fairlane was definitely a formidable competitor, and pushed the limits of what was taking place in the early 60's. By 1965, only one year later, the 426 Hemi's and AFX cars raised the bar, putting an end to this chapter.

[@petergiannaros9037]

What Chapter?IFord were not allowed to run The Sohc in Nacscar so it went drag racing.Seems to me Danny Ongais in Mickey Thompsons Mach 1 kicked ass ,correct me if i'm wrong.

[@ccrider77]

Ford was allowed to run cammers in 1966. The Chrysler Hemi was banned in 1965, but also came back for 1966, so they did run head-to-head at NASCAR after 1964, but the Plymouths still prevailed, despite being a simpler pushrod engine. The problem with the SOHC motor was the enormous cam chain, which would stretch so much that cam timing would typically vary from 4-8 degrees between cylinder banks. It was basically an iron FE block with aluminum OHC heads bolted on as an afterthought. The engineering was rushed through in only 90 days, and that shows. SOHC motors did make a valiant effort in NHRA drag racing too, but some of the same problems surfaced there. When the early AFX and Top Fuel classes evolved into what they are today, the cammer was left out of the picture, because of it's inherent design problems. @@petergiannaros9037

[@CoyoteFTW]

@@ccrider77no it wasn’t stop making stuff up … the 427 Cammer was faster and no 426 chryker powered anything beating it. Ford made a/fx legal mustangs with the Cammer for nhra Chrysler knew Ford was building these cars so they built some ugly things and they moved the wheels forward .. so they became illegal to run in nhra.. so that meant Ford and Chrysler had to duke it out in match races and the Fords stomped the chryker cars … running way quicker. One example STOCK FUEL MATCH - Don Nicholson 427 Cammer Ford went up against Ronnie Sox Chrysler best guy at Richmond for a best of five affair, "anything goes," especially in the fuel tank. Surprise Sox blew his engine on the first run and the remaining races were run with Sox' gas car, Nicholson Ford 427 Cammer taking the win. Nhra isn’t the end all be all in drag racing… they certainly helped chryker allot they banned allot of Ford cars for example when Dodge showed up with acid dipped bodies that would dent if you leaned on them that was ok. But Ford showed up with their lightweight fairlanes they cried foul because fiberglass hood…

[@ccrider77]

@@CoyoteFTW I never said you were making anything up. However unlike the 426 Hemi, the 427 SOHC motor was a race engine, not a modified street engine, like the 426 Hemi. This is why it wasn't allowed to race in NASCAR and in several drag classes. Like I said, the injected Hemi's in 1965 and beyond ruled the drag strip. The SOHC engine was used for a short time in altered and even TF classes, but ultimately couldn't compete with the Chrysler Hemi. Today in funny car and top fuel, every car is powered by an engine derived from the Chrysler Hemi, and that's for good reason. None are powered by cammers...

[@markhartung]

@@ccrider77 Damn sure is. The hemispherical combustion chamber, big valves big power. As well the 427 Ford SOHC actually used hemi combustion chambers as well.......

[@chawenhalo0089]

Never mind how much power these were making, if they had enough torque to lift the front, you're laughing all the way!

[@georgecupac1202]

Back when the big three had credibility instead of going woke 😡.

[@kevinwest3689]

Do you know where the term woke began? I'm trying to figure out how you can apply it to car of old or new. Are you saying black cars should be mindful of driving Through alabama or Mississippi?

[@georgecupac1202]

@@kevinwest3689 🤣🤣🤣

[@Axeman428]

Woke is a word ignorant people use when they know NOTHING and just want to spew propaganda and lies.

[@hornetbrown]

There is a guy here that owns a few Thunderbolts and BB Galaxies in his museum here. Got some BB 409 Chevys, Dodges (including a 'Sox and Martin' Cuda drag car) and a 'swiss cheese' 421 Catalina lightweight. I got chills walking around the place -so much history stuffed into one complex. Those Thunderbolts were the stuff of legends.

[@MrJohnnyDistortion]

Address?

[@paulhenson4434]

Wow, Sox n Martin! I forgot all about them!

[@NobilityandLoyalty]

You pretty much covered all the bases of yesterlore. 😅great memories

[@aaronmartin4600]

Where is this museum I would love to see those magnificent cars

[@customkey]

Top stock eliminator at the 1964 NHRA Nationals was won by Roger Lindamood in a SS/A Dodge, he beat Jim Thornton's Ramchargers SS/A Dodge 426 hemi in the final. The last Thunderbolt running was Butch Leal's 4 speed, and he was gone long before the trophy run. I was there in '64 and the Dodge drivers were kicking butt with the new Race Hemi. Look it up, the runoffs are right here on YT.

[@clintwalker6389]

You’re right you can look up anything quick nowadays.

[@vincentrachelsdad-yr1kr]

Tell the truth bro

[@clintwalker6389]

@@vincentrachelsdad-yr1kr look it up bro

[@bradhardy2629]

​the truth seems to hurt you Ford girls. Everybody knows the hemi engine ruled and still rules the 1/4 mile. Boo hoo

[@chadkent1241]

​@bradhardy2629 Connie Kalitta and Don Prudhomme, both earned 1966 NHRA victories in dragsters powered by supercharged versions of the Ford 427 SOHC engine running on nitromethane fuel. Kalitta drove his Bounty Hunter entry into the winners’ circle at the season-opening Winternationals at Pomona, Calif., while Prudhomme prevailed at the Springnationals at Bristol, Tenn., in Carroll Shelby’s Super Snake entry powered by the same engine. At the 1967 NHRA Springnationals held at Bristol. Prudhomme posted the fastest qualifying time and became the first top fuel driver to break into ‘6s at a NHRA national meet and the first to break 220 mph (6.99 @220mph). He also ran sub-7second times in three of four elimination runs (shut off early when opponent fouled in the other run). Prudhomme beat fellow Ford driver Pete Robinson in the final. There's plenty of other classes (AFX Gas Rhonda, Ohio George Montgomery A/GS 4 championships, Dyno Don Nicholson match racing) and others that also utilized the Cammer and beat the best Chrysler had to offer.

[@barrycuda3769]

And Mickey Thompson took his Thunderbolt to another level.

[@sidthompso8097]

Nobody remembers Mikey rest in piece my friend

[@theflyingscotsman9902]

Mickey Thompson had Danny Ongais at the wheel of his boss429 funnycar and in 1969 they were unbeatable

[@jerryjustice8803]

The 427 Ford engine was bad ass and very powerful.

[@Adam-ub9nu]

Basically a detuned version of what went into the GT40.

[@RicherPickle]

It was 'over-square'. A 4.387 bore with a 3.78 stroke = 427 cubic inches. Similar proportions of a 327 Chevy, but BIGGER & Fast to rev!

[@chadkent1241]

​@@Adam-ub9nu not anywhere near accurate. The Leman's 427 was far from the most radical 427, which would be right here at the dragstrip.

[@Bbbbad724]

The road race was capable of more power than they needed so it was detuned quite a bit from the drag engine. The NASCAR engine when they got the 427 HR, and then the TP, put down a lot of power. They did all right against the Hemi. A wedge vs a Hemi it wasn’t a fair fight and the removal of the HR was rough for Ford in NASCAR. Drag racing though the engine was against a lot more so they pushed the wedge hard in rpm’s. The top class SS they were close but it was still a wedge vs a Hemi. The ProStock squared it up well.

[@mtbodyfarm5174]

My first car was a 63 chevy with a 425hp 409. It broke all records including transmissions, clutches, drivelines, rearends and axles. Loved it!!

[@thomasauslander3757]

Compensation: At least you had a great Beach Boys song to listen to..

[@randycoursey7230]

The 409 was a truck engine. Not one of Chevy's better ideas unless you drove a truck.

[@toddjohnson1899]

You should have put you a 9in. Under it 😊 driver.

[@randycoursey7230]

@@toddjohnson1899 Yeah a FORD rear end.

[@phantomstratocaster]

my wife bought me a brand new 69 chevelle with one piece aluminium drive shaft,front scoop black with silver racing stripes and i've been chevelling the driveway every winter since.

[@mikemasters-i5h]

Dodge was afraid of? Don’t know where you got your information but the Hemi’s ate the Thunderbolt’s lunch, no contest. So much so that years later, Hemi’s had to be put in a class by themselves so the Ford and Chevy guys would stop crying. Maybe you’ve heard of SS/AH?

[@moparbee1523]

Mopar or No Car !

[@thunderroad7289]

Lmao you better check records again

[@barrystein8834]

Right out of the box?? 500 Net. After Holman Moody massaged the engine for racing?? Figure 800 then. Today... More.

[@Loulovesspeed]

Just to correct your statement that the Thunderbolt was a factory built racer. Ford was not set up to build this radical machine on their assembly lines, so sub contracted with Dearborn Steel Tubing Co. to build it and make the many modifications necessary to cut additional weight where at all possible.

[@race8427]

I agree w/67marlin, the reality is Dodge was not scared but Chevy was.

[@moparbee1523]

Mopar or No Car !

[@fatboyhtownholitdown8932]

​@@moparbee1523 Mopar might as well have no car

[@AntiZOGZone]

​@@fatboyhtownholitdown8932Why? What factory Ford could hang with the 1968 Factory Race Hemi Darts and Barracuda's or the The Dodge Demon's Answer? NONE

[@brettdenisegibbs6533]

@@AntiZOGZone Your '68 Hemi Dart was not street legal. HELLO. Chrysler cried about the cammer not being in production cars but here you have a drag Dart that is not street legal..😂🤔😴

[@AntiZOGZone]

@@brettdenisegibbs6533 What a 🤡 you are 🤣😂

[@fasx56]

Thank you for such detailed and History covering the 1964 Thunderbolt and how they were developed and came to be such performers. Appreciate the research, video clips and clear Narration covering this race car, Dodge 426 and the Chevrolet drag cars. Depending on who's car and the driver behind the wheel Dodge and the Thunderbolts were winning at different race tracks in the 1960s. Later the 427 SOHC ENGINES became available and raised the bar with faster times then the 64 427s. Loved the Heyday of SS racing starting with injected 283 and 327 Chevrolets and later the 427s. Happy to read and watch the videos which prove there still is enough interest in drag racing to keep these famous cars going.

[@Oscarphone]

It is important to remember that the Max Wedge cars were all over the place on the street and strip. Big Chevies were scarce and so was the Thunderbolts.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Oscarphone - Ford had just 100 Thunderbolts made for them - 49 were 4 speeds and 51 were automatics. They, unlike the Max Wedge cars, were not production automobiles.

[@bradhardy2629]

How many lightweight max wedge cars do you think Chrysler made lol. All over the streets and strips my azz. Foolish comments

[@raygomez6212]

The big three automakers routinely under-reported horsepower ratings for their muscle car engines to keep insurance companies from gouging their owners on rates. So who knows how many ponies the Ford and Chevy 427s and the Chrylser Hemis were actually cranking out.

[@Airsally]

Had a buddy with a 406 galaxy...it could really tear up some tires. I had a 64 289 Fairlane with tear drop hood and at one time it had 3 × 2 barrel Holly's. And 4 speed . I also had a 64 cyclone comet 4 speed top loader. Fully built it only ran 13's with a C-4 and slicks. Funny my 94 mustang ran 12.85 on just bolt on stuff and slicks. Crazy those thunder bolts ran low 11's back in the day.

[@donaldkgarman296]

YEAH THOSE CYCLONES WERE SQUIRLEY , AND HARD ON TIRES

[@daryllect6659]

The Dodges and Plymouths weren't "scared" (afraid) to race Thunderbolts in the automatic classes. The Mopar Super Stockers annihilated the automatic Thunderbolts, and the Chryslers would all run lower ETs.

[@anthonytomaro8278]

Ford C6 transmissions consume the most power to operate compared to everything else. Not surprised with the outcome.

[@HI-RISER]

Ford used the Lincoln automatics. They were terrible off the line. A lot of racers replaced them with Toploaders or Super T-10s. @@anthonytomaro8278

[@daryllect6659]

@@anthonytomaro8278 "Ford C6 transmissions consume the most power to operate compared to everything else." Sounds like a poorly designed transmission...

[@M4A3]

​@anthonytomaro8278 don't forget the FMX. Similar design with a cast iron case lol

[@Alex_Miller1980]

Wow the peak of performance for me the ultimate muscle of that era 64 12:1 compression ratio, side oiler 427 ci beast

[@Mr.Robert1]

Unlike Chrysler, Ford learned a long time ago that weight is the enemy. Even to this day Chrysler is still making the heaviest vehicles. Reason why they always need extra horsepower just to keep up with the competition. More of the same stupidity.

[@donalddalton4866]

I had the pleasure of driving my 1964 Ford Galaxy 2 door fast back 427 dual quads 715 cfm each with a 4 speed for 4 years before selling it in 1972.

[@jamesbranner4029]

It was not a hemi killer Nascar outlawed the hemi in 1965 because they were damn near unbeatable!

[@philsocks3386]

Not true, Nascar ban 427 ford cammer engine.

[@Loulovesspeed]

They both were banned guys! Do some reading on the subject.

[@rocketman63]

These are iconic race cars, and awesome. They did NOT scare Dodge, or Plymouth either.

[@Jerry-up8bk]

What DID scare Chrysler and Chevy was FORD 427 SOHC CAMMERS !!! 616HP 1 Forv Carb 657 HP duall QUADS !!! Had Chrysler and Chevy owners Shaking in their boots !!!

[@victordjinn632]

@rocketman63 You are correct.

[@Loulovesspeed]

Maybe they didn't scare them, but they sure as hell beat them on more than an occasion! 🏁

[@bluedart440]

I doubt it@@Jerry-up8bk

[@ronaldlamascus1944]

I went to the Tulsa drag strip every Sunday for many years and the highlight of each week (other than the dragsters of course, was the weekly showdown between a 64 Ford 427 and a 63 Chevy 409 driven by Jerry Weiderman. Sorry, don’t remember the Ford driver’s name but the Chevy won 9 out of 10 times! When the Hemi’s came along, they smoked everyone!

[@waynegilchrist1596]

The 64 Fairlane was a fair car if you stayed in your lane! 😊😅😂 Actually a friend had one and he swore the ho was 580 hp! I don't know but it was one bad-ass Mo-Shin at the strip,!

[@godsowndrunk1118]

I've got a set of Thunderbolt High Riser heads that were ported by Crane back in the day.... they're going on a 468 inch BBM short block I'm having built to replace the worn out 468 Low Riser that was in my 1965 Galaxie 500... Should be fun.

[@mypronouniswtf5559]

Dodge/Plymouth were not scared of that car!

[@moparbee1523]

Mopar or No Car !

[@briankorner750]

Gotta love the sound of a BBF. ❤

[@vernonslone8627]

Our 1965 Superstock Hemi powered Dodge Coronet was never afraid of any Ford....

[@CoyoteFTW]

Dodge sure was afraid back in 60’s they cried about every little thing Ford did …

[@vernonslone8627]

@@CoyoteFTW We didn't cry we just beat up on them...

[@CJColvin]

Could you imagine in the 64 Ford Thunderbolt had the almighty 427 SOHC 2V Cammer V8?

[@oldskolacura9798]

Yes that's the one I was thinking nascar had banned

[@barrycuda3769]

Actually they dont have the sohc 427 engine , it's the 427 FE push rod engine.

[@feydespiel.]

​@barrycuda3769 he said..can you imagine that engine fitted..he never said it was fitted to the thunderbolt...

[@barrycuda3769]

@@feydespiel. Oh, it's just that he said "in" instead of " if" , must have been a typo . I agree , an sohc in a Thunderbolt would be awesome, and it's been done with Fairlane gassers .

[@paulhenson4434]

​@@barrycuda3769What excatly was a 'gasser'? If ya could explain?

[@screamingeagle-rt1kj]

You better research that real well Dodge or Plymouth was not afraid of the thunder boat lol

[@justicews]

I saw these Thunderbolts race at the local drag strips. They ate the Plymouth and Dodge Hemis for lunch.

[@rarecars3336]

So awesome that you got to see these actually run!

[@romemancer7905]

And Chrysler being the dummy spitting sooks...in 1970 with a protest had the 429 banned from NASCAR...yet they were allowed to race the HEMI powered winged chargers...It was the only way they could win a race !!!

[@Mr.Guild1971]

No specs on their actual win times and gaps in that racing year? AWESOME to finally see this monster covered.Will never afford one for real but dream of a ride in this car so bad. I do have a rare Hotwheels thunderbolt in classic white though...HAHA Along with all my Shelby cars

[@michaelraddish7898]

Wimbledon white

[@davidvogel6359]

still cool to have the model

[@Slowgroovin]

Nice video. Pretty sure it would've been the Chevy 409 competing in that era.

[@429supercj]

409 was only for a short while in 63 by 64 Chevy was using a 427

[@jamesblair9614]

It was a race only 427 version of the 348-409 W engine family, nothing to do with the Mk IV 427 or the 427 Mystery Motor, different animals.

[@67marlins]

I think Mercury had a version too, but it was based off of the next restyle ( the much better looking 1966 and 1967 ). I think the Fairlane was called an "A/FX" if a 427 racer....and the Mercury Comet was called a "B/FX" with that 427....I think.

[@steveford6373]

A/FX & B/FX were different classes A/FX generally had the big block and the B/FX would have then hi-po 289.

[@67marlins]

@@steveford6373 OK, thanks. That makes sense.

[@HI-RISER]

I'm not aware of any 64s in AFX, not sure. I think any AfX cars were 63 hard tops with 406s.

[@daleflinchum3244]

Sox & Martin won the 1964 Winternationals in a A/FX Mercury Comet.

[@marksmith6091]

When did Ford start putting 4 speed automatic trannies in 1964 model cars?

[@helpful5539]

He admitted the error

[@brinkee7674]

The fastest factory car in 66 was the one of one Shelby Dragonsnake 427 CSX3198 which was sold to Haar Ford in Worcester, MA. My dad used to tune it At the 1966 NHRA Winternationals in Pomona, it set the A/SP national records at 10.86 seconds and 127 mph results

[@tonykhouri7826]

was that a blue drag purpose built car i think i remember seeing at Norwood eigth mile at night!

[@bobbyearls1838]

Tasca Ford had two of them.

[@brinkee7674]

@@tonykhouri7826 It was red when at Haar but may have been blue after they sold it and was called Hanks Bank

[@brinkee7674]

@@bobbyearls1838 Tasca 100% did not have two 427 Dragonsnakes . Do you not know what one of one means. Haar had the only one Shelby ever built. Just google Shelby Dragonsnake 427 CSX 3198 and read Hemmings report on it or others. It resides at Sam Pack's Museum last I knew

[@Loulovesspeed]

While the 427 Dragonsnake was a true beast, the 289 version won more races and even a National Championship in B/SP!

[@jpenn1244]

The 64 T Bolt was a fantastic race car, however I must say that it was outdone by Mopar. I attended the 1964 NHRA Indianapolis Nationals, the results were eye opening. While the T Bolts dominated the S/S class the Mopars were far superior in the S/SA class. When it came time for S/S Eliminator only one T Bolt qualified, and that was because it had won the S/S class. My personal assessment of this situation is that the Fords had too much horsepower for the 7 inch tire requirement for the S/S class while the Mopar Torqueflte automatics were tweaked in order to get the power to the strip. Ford had the hottest car just not the quickest.

[@darrellpelfrey2370]

Hemi was not scared of 427

[@rogerjensen6630]

My grand father had a friend that worked at Ford as an engineer he ordered a 62 galaxie with a 406 tri power And a 4 speed trans. Powder blue. Awesome!

[@rhpicayune]

Lightweight 1968 hemi darts were probably around 2800-2900 pounds, probably way underrated at 425, realistically making probably 550 hp. These monsters would run nine second quarters from the factory.

[@dudeman9582]

I don't believe that they "came from the factory" with the hemi . I think that all the race-ready" didn't they come standard with the slant six ?????

[@JimVaught-qm6gf]

3020 lbs. the ones still running the class tend to be in the 3200-3300 range now, if not a little heavier.

[@johntotten4872]

@@dudeman9582 In 68 they built 500 Darts and 500 Barracudas with the 426 Hemi. Hurst (The shifter company) took them and did the mods. They came with no warranty and were race cars you could order. I am sure if you check YT you can find a video talking about their history. I used to have a pic I found on the net showing the Cudas and Darts outside the Hurst place waiting to get converted.

[@michaeldeakin4287]

@@JimVaught-qm6gf The Hemi is probably around 100# heavier than the 440, I would imagine, the 427 would be similar weight to the 440 but the Fairlane looks smaller than a 68 Dart.

[@JimVaught-qm6gf]

Yeah roughly 100 lbs depending what intake and exhaust manifolds/headers. Bare heads roughly 48 vs 70 each between the wedge and Hemi. According to my scales. Ditch the factory iron Hemi exhaust and that’s a load of weight. 2x4 aluminum manifold vs iron single 4 on a stock wedge motor.. good boat anchors 😂

[@rarecars3336]

Which would you take, the thunderbolt, z11 impala or a Max Wedge mopar?

[@campbellpaul]

Ford's homologated Thunderbolt FTW

[@robertstone9988]

Thunderbolt

[@brianwarner308]

Thunderbolt for me…

[@barrycuda3769]

A tough decision between Thunderbolt and Plymouth/ Dodge for me.

[@donaldk.macbaird5248]

I was a young man when the Thunder Bolt came out and I was a Ford Fan,it is one of my favorites to this day.

[@markadams7597]

Hahahahaha, "Dodge...scared".....hahahaha, dream on. Great review, anyway. You have some beautiful rides here. What, no video of a Thunderbolt against a Dart, Fury, or Belvedere? Mopar or nocar.

[@rarecars3336]

More mopar content coming soon I’ve been slacking on videos of them for sure, even though the Jensen Interceptor and Monteverdi high speed are mopar powered

[@davidgraham7325]

How about Rays 64 Thunderbolt running in the eights or the red Thunderbolt almost as fast and Ray beating the vette for class win say what oh yall didn't witness that 🤔 😉

[@tonymickens8803]

I remember back in the 70's Dyno testing the 427, 428 and 429's in Dearborn when I was in High School, they made WELL Over 500 and 600hp ATC, Man to Be One of those 100 Customers!

[@JackDavenport-e3j]

I had a 67 Fairlane, which is a far cry from this but it was a G T with a 390 cid. It would move pretty good

[@frankjohnson6342]

It was a nice “story“ but the 1964 Race Hemi would have no trouble covering a smaller and lighter Thunderbolt and in 1968 when Mopar showed up with Race Hemi’s in Dart’s and Barracuda’s it was really no competition.

[@elzarizbenisrael3579]

The MOPAR drivers have never been afraid to take on the Ford 427. Was the Ford fast and powerful? Of course it was, just no match for the mighty HEMI variants which absolutely dominated NHRA throughout the '60s.

[@02autogt]

Spewing misinformation like you're doing should be a crime... a Chrysler "Hemi" NEVER dominated a 427 SOHC.... It took plenty of aerodynamic mods "Superbird" just to keep the "Hemi" competitive in NASCAR with the conventional 427's....

[@jimanderson1355]

Laughable title. Guess the Ramchargers didn’t get the memo.

[@johnnymcclurg9672]

poor little Mopar people Dodge even attempted to go across the water and compete against Ferrari by the way who won that race

[@danielslocum7169]

b.s. . the 426 hemi is and always was the king.

[@JohnnyButtons]

Those early ‘60s Ford Fairlane and Galaxie models had such pretty body lines.

[@txtamaman]

I bought a '64 500 hardtop when i was 15 and my dad and i restored it, i worked with him in his mechanic and paint and body shop till he passed in 92...it was a 260 v8 with a 2 speed.. hated that so i put a high po 289 and 3 speed auto in it... then put a 302 6 bolt and a 4 speed.... it was so beautiful

[@tillyvee8319]

What fun! Brought back memories of my first car, a '64 Ford Fairlane with the stock 289 in it, used to drag race that on weekend midnights on straight away county roads. Old Blue.

[@larrynorsworthy8582]

South Georgia or Florida? Straight roads.

[@stripervince1]

Dodge was scared of nothing. The 426 ram was a beast as was their 413 wedge. 427 side oiler was Def a great motor tho

[@carlzalesski2975]

Those were brutal cars

[@James-j4l2y]

Until he Buick Grand National phase 3 show up his car ruled the Drag Strips,

[@Merylstreep1949]

More like 600

[@rebeccajohnson1407]

LO23 there that,s Done but it was not 1968 yet

[@jeffreyrubish347]

Love the sound of that big block.

[@rarecars3336]

Sounds fantastic!

[@davidbaumgardner8374]

At 5:54 you mentioned a 4 speed automatic wouldn't it be a 3 speed automatic ?

[@jhmonthetube6339]

Great motor…but overshadowed by the mighty 426 hemi !

[@NobilityandLoyalty]

The Thunderbolt ran well during the first half of the 1964 season in its lightened state. Chrysler rolled out the Race Hemi at the U. S. Nationals and trounced the T -Bolts running .5 quicker and 3 miles per hour faster. This result continued and Ford introduced the 427 Cammer engine in 1965. Unfortunately, Ford never offered the 427 SOHC in a vehicle. Please review the results.

[@randycoursey7230]

Thunderbolts won the championship that year, so No.

[@NobilityandLoyalty]

They're dominance lasted a whopping 6 months

[@randycoursey7230]

@@NobilityandLoyalty They did very well, I was actually there.

[@bobleenko512]

Uhhh incorrect

[@NobilityandLoyalty]

Check the record book post US FINALS

[@M21-w1y]

LoL, you could take Fords factory horsepower rating with a grain of salt and add about 200 more to get a more accurate number🤔

[@chuckselvage3157]

Phil Featherstones T Bolt ran a world record 9.2 secs quarter mile on modern drag slicks. Not sure about the horsepower but at the very least @500.

[@anthonysiler4938]

I saw that vid, they said it was "modernized" but with all stock components with modern tires. It just seems a little far to say modernized with just tires .

[@davidgraham7325]

Yeah at least 600 if you ever see 👀 one do the quarter mile

[@troybartlett2718]

Yes their one and only when because I've 426 which is not a 426 Hemi

[@barryrussell4106]

One of my favorite cars. Hughbert Platt made those cars the legend they are

[@timr31908]

Yeah ford did stomp their ass pretty good with that thunderbolt that 427 was one hell of a engine

[@patrickmontie9583]

There was a retired ford engineer that always drove his mid 60’s fairlane to the St Ignace Michigan car show. He special ordered it when he retired with a DOHC 427 and manual transmission. I wonder where that car is now. 😊

[@mcfast52]

SOHC 427

[@tomglorius8869]

Let me say 426 candymatic...DODGE.....the.champ....63....and.64

[@leefury7]

An even rarer car was the 427 Comet Cyclone with one piece fiberglass hood the swung up. It's bottom headlights were air ducts to the two four barrels. And it was street legal.

[@joebliss3609]

Yes, the 66-67 Mercury Comet Cyclones were some nice cars. My boss at the Mercury dealer I worked for, let me drive his 67 with a 390 once. A lot quicker than my 65 Mustang Gt, with a 289 4bbl!

[@leefury7]

@@joebliss3609 Super Cyclone. VERY FEW people even know they existed.

[@joebliss3609]

A coworker owned a 70 Cyclone with a Boss 429, 4-speed manual. Lightning quick, with a 391:1 posi rear end.

[@leefury7]

@@joebliss3609 Cool.

[@RollinBolders]

There Is no denying that is a cool engine and a weapon at that...!!!👍

[@Bongofurry]

Perfect Ford powerhouse.

[@flee4357]

Saw one race at Edmonton speedway alberta against all dodges available. Never lost a race. Hard to take as a dodge man

[@etoineschrdlu9382]

While I admit that it is fun and interesting to hear about these rare old cars, I also note that these limited production homologation specials were nearly impossible to purchase from a dealership. Most of them only shipped to a dealership as a conduit to a known competitive race shop or if the dealership itself was a known competitive race shop. But the "Win on Sunday, Buy on Monday" mantra did work. I'm sure many went to their Ford dealership and bought a Fairlane with a 427 engine, it just wasn't one of those rare "Thunderbolts", but I'll bet it was pretty darn fast! When Plymouth started making Roadrunners, my Uncle went and bought one. Did he get the one with the 426 Hemi? Nope. He got the 383 version that was significantly less expensive. My aunt would have divorced him if he had spent her home redecorating budget on the Hemi. As it were, steam was coming out her ears when two years later he bought the 440 six-pack crate motor and replaced the 383. She HAD to buy all new draperies AND new living room furniture; HAD TO, she had NO CHOICE! And the really bad news was that Tech Inspection caught on that 1969 Roadrunners were never shipped with a 440 and uncle couldn't run in "Stock" class. But on the bright side, my uncle's '69 Roadrunner was consistently running the quarter in low 11's and high 10's!

[@vladtheimpala5532]

I’ve never driven an all out race car but the fastest one I ever drove was a Plum Purple 69 Roadrunner with a built 383. That was fast enough for me. It was everything I could do to hold the clutch in at a stoplight. I’m a Chevy guy but I did like that Plymouth.

[@rarecars3336]

Dang high 10's is MOVING, thanks for sharing that story!

[@etoineschrdlu9382]

@@rarecars3336 My uncle was very proud of that car. He had built it to the point where it was barely street drivable. My aunt hated it because that meant she had to ask his permission for her Pinto wagon while the 'runner was torn apart in the garage or race ready. He had it set up strictly for the strip. The suspension's sole purpose was weight transfer and getting hooked up. The transmission was full race. He'd had the compression upped, a full race cam, full race headers, straight pipe exhaust, and he had his precious box of jets that he would change and tune according to the weather forecast. I only went to the track with him once and on the way there he passed a car. It was definitely an OMG moment. It did finally reach a point where he decided (or my aunt 'convinced' him) that the time he was spending on prepping the car was hurting his marriage and he sold the car. Later, after the kids had left the nest and he'd become a successful banker, he joined a BMW club, started doing track days, and eventually became the club track driving instructor.

[@ramblerdave1339]

You couldn't get a Fairlane with a 427, from a dealer, that wasn't a Thunderbolt, until 1966, when it was available in the newly enlarged body. Also, 440s were a regular option in the 69 Road Runner, as well as in the GTX (standard equipment) from 67 on. Maybe his was a 68?

[@mrdcjohn]

you say the Dodge feared the Bolt but yet there's not one video showing this response

[@mitchellferre1652]

A Body Hemis smoked these Thunderbolts back in the day. I know because I was there.

[@dennisdunton6530]

ME TOO AND YOU'RE RIGHT

[@rogermccann2377]

Yep seen it

[@cammontreuil7509]

1964 ?

[@havoc9926]

OK, right fantasy stories.

[@jameskoehler6038]

So it got smoke while winning the national championship?....not sure how that works

[@jimsanders4412]

Back in the day, my Dad worked at a big Ford dealership in northern Ohio. I remember them having a Fairlane T-Bolt on the showroom floor. I thought it was one of coolest things I’d ever seen!😄 And if I remember right, it was around $2800 (give or take)!🤦‍♂️ Of course, that was “big bucks” back then. Should’ve bought one, brought it home, and wrapped it in cosmoline!!!😉🤣🤣

[@clintonsmith9931]

As I lived thru those years, the very fast Ford was very rare. The 426 hemi was rare except in a few places. I saw a hemi in west Texas , very few and the owners would get wild hairs and bend rod or stretch rods. There were 409 Chevys on every corner. There were 413 plymouths on every corner driving on the street . The common working stiff could afford a 409 or 413. Saw a few 406 Fords on the street but as you said too heavy, too slow. A light Plymouth with cross ram and a tuned 413 couldn’t be beat for the street.

[@moparbee1523]

Mopar or No Car !

[@JP-xx8zd]

funny because i remember the 409 chevy blowing up couldn't keep up with 427 Ford between the 406 Fordand 409 chevy lets just say the reason I'm a FORD man because that 409 chevy was turd. The 409s were leaving bell housings and other parts on the drag strips every Sunday. The 409 was NOT a good engine!

[@sparkywirenut]

409 was one of chevys' worst blunders .. superceded by their 348 ... @@JP-xx8zd

[@Loulovesspeed]

​@@JP-xx8zd- Oh, I don't know. It seemed to work OK in the trucks it was first built for! LOL

[@rayvonthornton]

Well I can say this growing up in a small town my dad and uncles ran ford's I have a 64 Fairlane 500 myself and other old hotrods but my uncle has a 66 Fairlane gta still 390 3 duces automatic and my dad swears that it was unbeatable back in the day he said it would eat the chevys and the hemi with little effort