Razelvarg Vs Thor (Hydra Post Nerf) | Raid: Shadow Legends

[@DaithiRaids]

So his damage Calc is ATK*(1.5+SPD/100) which means most of his scaling is coming from his ATK but his multiplier is coming from his speed. I generally build him with 300 plus speed so that in hydra fights that becomes 400+ speed and then with 50% inc speed it becomes 600+ speed so not only is he going more often he is also doing more damage. For example with your build at base he is coming out with damage (pre c.dmg) as 5706*(1.5+2.34) = 21.9K , if you even built him with less atk at 5000 atk and 300 speed you would be coming out at 5000*(1.5+3) = 22.5k , so he would go more often AND do more damage AND scale better! The other thing i would add is 4 piece slayer (minimum) is a must for him as he will then get 20% refills on all his turns on hydra and waves meaning even more turns. I did go through a lot of his damage and scaling here if you like (linked in comment below)

[@DaithiRaids]

Here it is, I did this a while back, he is in my opinion the best champ in the game , if there was even a tiny piece of ignore def in his kit people would be going crazy about him kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIHKnZqYfcqhocU

[@mrburritoslayer]

Much respect and appreciation for this breakdown, I will rework Razel with this in mind as well as do a video showing the rework with your comment at the forefront. Much appreciated! I will check your video too and pin the comment to ensure many see this.

[@DaithiRaids]

@@mrburritoslayer No problem at all, love your content and just realised I wasnt subscribed on this account only on my personal account so have rectified that 😅

[@mrburritoslayer]

@@DaithiRaids thank you kindly! And no worries!

[@cashoutlyfestyle66]

@@mrburritoslayeryes we need a rework update vid please i just pulled him today instead of vulkanos 😢😢😢

[@stewarttownley]

Nature's Wrath for any damage dealer in Hydra who does debuffs.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Thank you, doing this from now on

[@DaithiRaids]

@@mrburritoslayer I would disagree on this as an overall sentiment - team dependant cruelty could be better for team overall on razie and if 6* crushing rend is the way to go. Natures wrath is definitely A way to go not necessarily THE way to go. I even love soul reap at 5* as it means you only have to kill 85% of the boss or ads or whatever.

[@martinprovo2389]

​@@DaithiRaids I believe Reaper won't actually decap Hydra heads because it's coded in a way that the damage resist for AoE effects it based on an old video I saw. Definitely good in other areas though, just not as ideal in Hydra.

[@DaithiRaids]

@@martinprovo2389 i think you're right! I noticed it doing my own comparisons earlier this week! So not ideal for hydra but so handy a lot of other places

[@martinprovo2389]

@@DaithiRaids That's great to have confirmation, I was wondering about it since it was an old video so I wasn't sure if it still worked like that. But figures they'd code it like that to prevent it from being more useful at lower levels than Crushing Rend. Thanks for looking into it more

[@SaltyFlatEarth]

Hahaaa!!! Says Little Red Riding Hood over and over in mixed ways! 😂🤣

[@mrburritoslayer]

Yeah🤣 I can’t remember what the name of the book is

[@DaltonRobertson-ef7qp]

It's called Little Red Ridding HoodxD

[@mrburritoslayer]

@@DaltonRobertson-ef7qp ☠️ no…. Oh shit it is!

[@DaithiRaids]

@@mrburritoslayer lol, well farmed sir, well farmed 🙂

[@mrburritoslayer]

@@DaithiRaids you already know!

[@maalemakthem267]

I'm really proud that thor is the first fusion i did

[@mrburritoslayer]

Hell yeah bro!!!

[@GorchaxGaming]

@@maalemakthem267 god of thunder goes *BIG BONK*. I love him.

[@Dharin.]

"I don't remember the nursery rhyme, but she was little and she had a red riding hood." lmfao. btw. I have done some further tests on the Monkey v all those mythicals. Gathathir, is indeed resisting the sheep now. I did not see it in the patch notes that there was a bug and they fixed it, so not sure what was happening before. It still works on his 2nd form, but his passive from the 1st form is not working there ofc. Seigfrund working as has always worked turning him into sheep, so that strat still fine. Nais, is odd though, as it works sometimes and not others. I don't know yet why this is and not either works, or it don't. It might have something to do with other interplays with buffs or if it matters when he's attacked. I have only come across 3 of him since that Siege vid (not common champ). I don't want to give wrong, or bad info as that can directly affect someone's decision on who or what champs to use in any content. I will do further tests, but the anti Armanz stun (SS UDK/Wukon, but not resisting the turn meter steal) is a real boon in arena as my Monkey gets to spank instead of essentially missing 2 turns, which often turns the tide.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Hmm weird, yeah idk either. Ill keep an eye out myself. But even today I was able to sheep a galathir in his first form, then another fight, resisted. So we will see

[@Dharin.]

@@mrburritoslayer Glad to hear that tbh. I was questioning my own mind there for a bit lol. I'll keep testing.

[@GorchaxGaming]

I might be wrong here, cuz I dont have datamining skilks, and I dont have razel. But.. looking at the modifiers on hellhades, they appar different than the normal hp+atk type of modifiers. From the looks if it, the skills are based on atk. But the modifier on the attackbis based on speed. Example (not actual numbers, just an explanation of my interpretion). U have 5000 atk. His damage will be calculated from 5000 atk. If you have 100 speed, this would be 5000(atk) x 1 (speed/100) If you have 200 speed, this would be 5000(atk) x2 (speed/100). This is different than most attacks based on 2 stats, which might be something like (atk) x3 + (def) x0.5 where both stats have a multiplier. Where both stats add damage based on a modifier. For razelvarg atk deals damage, and speed IS the modifier. This means speed is quite impactful and I think it probably needs to be prioritized more. 300 speed gives multipliers around 1.35 a1 4.5 a2 and a3. While 200 speed gives multipliers of 0.9 a1 and 3.5 a2 and a3. Someone correct me if I misintertreted his modifiers. Also, seeing my own thors damage, he hits harder than my trunda most of the time in same gear and her multipliers are alot higher on hellhades, but his was an average i think saph said. Either way, he smacks like crazy.

[@GorchaxGaming]

This is trunda without 5 billion stacked effects. Just atk up smack vs. smack. 9 months in, no spender and thor crits for 200k regularly in arena with his "weaker" a3.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Thank you for this too, ill rework Rabbit 🐇 with these in mind

[@omnislash882004]

I am listening to your voice while you talk about your bunny build but gonna be really I am staring holes at those boots that arent cruel XD

[@mrburritoslayer]

🤣😭 trust I wish they were lol

[@davidf3869]

Great video leach is a great debuff to have for the team.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Thank you, yeah I would not have been able to get that far without it

[@GorchaxGaming]

And definately rend (6 star) > nature > heavencast > brimstone for hydra. Brimstone almost never triggers in hydra so there is alot of damage to add with another blessing id say. Specially since he attacks like a machinegun and brimstone is "static"

[@mrburritoslayer]

Perfect layout, thank you for this

[@KhareemMcBean]

For Nature's wrath he doesn't have to be the only one adding debuffs for it to work. it can be from his team.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Ahhhh didn’t know that, I gotta reread it lol. Ty🙏🏾🤝

[@KhareemMcBean]

@@mrburritoslayer No problem, I realized it a few times. My accuracy on thor is very low.

[@martinprovo2389]

The Nature's Wrath boost is only for that champion and the debuffs it places. If it's counting debuffs teammates cast, then it definitely isn't working as intended.

[@KhareemMcBean]

@martinprovo2389 That's what the description says, but wouldn't it be a good thing with how it's working now? Building spd with accuracy and damage is extremely difficult, especially for early accounts.

[@martinprovo2389]

@@KhareemMcBean Sure it would, but I wouldn't build around that because if they fix it you'll have a nightmare regearing everyone. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I just want to make sure accurate information is going out and either everybody else doesn't realize NW is bugged, or you're mistaken on the effect it's having. It shouldn't be a hard thing to test, so I could try to run some this weekend to double check what you're seeing.

[@martinprovo2389]

"He's starting to believe." ~ Morpheus You prempted my meme reply of "McMerciless". Agent Smith is not amused, but still wants to ask if you tried the 9pc McMerciless.

[@mrburritoslayer]

💯🤣

[@Evankelly11]

I run both in the same hydra team, thor in 5 star natures wrath and raz in 6 star cruelty. I have both of them in lethal and similar-ish stats but razelvarg is 297 speed. I have tried razelvarg slower and his damage drops significantly, you're best off removing brimstone and going with natures wrath and bringing his speed way up.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Truly appreciate the reference and the tips, will def change him to NW and make him faster. Thanks a bunch!

[@alschirjaev9213]

hah cruelty on the rabbit would have improved your run considerably! his triple hit a1 and 2 aoe attacks would mean he would be stacking it up super fast!

[@mrburritoslayer]

Im gonna test him out in Cruelty and Natures Wrath

[@alschirjaev9213]

@@mrburritoslayer obviously 6pc merc will be better than 4pc lethal it is the bis for dps. but cruelty would help everyone out. not sure about this new hydra of course but i use cruelty because 300 red essence is too much for a pve champion :)

[@GorchaxGaming]

@@alschirjaev9213 cruelty is good option, but if possible, its probably better to try and get it from debuffers/heders with aoe, that scale less from damage boosts. But atleast 1 cruelty somewhere for sure.

[@GorchaxGaming]

@@alschirjaev9213 slayer has more speed iirc so I think theyd be close for razel.

[@GorchaxGaming]

@@alschirjaev9213 the one thing making me skip cruelty on dpsers is that it keeps resetting in hydra. It just feels more impactfulbwith immediate/constant damage. And rend/nature are permanent. Heavencast basically permanent. If you get 5/6 from a stone id rather switch cruelty somewhere else. Before 5star it matters less imo

[@hayleyberry3437]

Razelvarg would be cool in nature's wrath since leech is a debuff

[@mrburritoslayer]

Thank you! I plan to change it now 😁

[@MrProbeNWatch]

I Have them both on my team and pre nerf razel did more damage because of the ramp up in speed and such. Post nerf I got 6* thor to match my 6 star razel and thor out damaged in my brutal comp

[@mrburritoslayer]

Nice! Good to know it was the same for someone else!

[@racoonboy8515]

Natures wrath would be good on razel!

[@mrburritoslayer]

Thank you! I will switch him to it

[@lougait4362]

He has earrings on his ear, not runes lol

[@mrburritoslayer]

No but like on the inside of his ear, theres stuff written on the pink of his ears?

[@lougait4362]

@@mrburritoslayer oh ok, I couldn’t see that on the video. Ya I guess those tattoo are runes

[@mrburritoslayer]

@@lougait4362 tattoos!!!! Thats what I should have said

[@MCcrossout]

I had this bunny since the fusion, never booked him till a few cvcs ago man wasted books dude just falls flat. I seen people do crazy damage. Thor just rolls on him 😂

[@mrburritoslayer]

The Bunny is a monster, no doubt. But he is severely outclasses by a God XD

[@GorchaxGaming]

@@MCcrossout yeah, im telling ppl all the time. The listed thor modifiers is a lie (or hes bugged). He is a freight train with faulty brakes and hydra heads are lying tied up on the tracks downhill.

[@RiceaxeGaming]

Honestly I dislike thor. He does too much damage with mediecro stats, especially his A2 hits the last target waaay to hard. He does pretty much the damage of two nukers, he feels cheap to me. Owning with him in PvP doesn´t feel fair or earned, its often luck or just unfair.

[@mrburritoslayer]

Interesting take! I like hearing it tho, since its the opposite of the norm