Have WLTOYS RC's Improved in 3 years? Comparing A New WLToys 124008 Buggy Against The Old 124019.

Unboxing the new RC buggy from WLToys and seeing just how far the company has progressed. What has changed and what has been improved. Has anything become worse and would I recommend the new 124008 buggy to anyone? In this video, we take a deep dive into this new product and compare all aspects of it against the massively successful 124019 buggy that helped put WLToys on the map.
This product was sent to RCKicks by Banggood free of charge for review. No restrictions have been placed on RCkicks so the opinions given in the video are that of my own.
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[@mech0p]

i really wanna see them make a competeitive 1/8 and 1/10. Just sell us a kit and let us build it and i think it would sell like crazy as it would give an amazing pricepoint for new racers to join because right now your looking at like 1000 just to get started with a used setup.

[@VestedUTuber]

With some upgrades to make up for materials quality issues, the 104001 _is_ a competitive 1/10th scale 4WD buggy as it's a direct clone of the 2016 XRAY XB4. As for 1/8th scale, why is everyone so hesitant about the Serpent SRX8-E RTR, Kyosho Inferno MP10e Readyset and HoBao Hyper VS2? Unlike 1/10th scale, 1/8th scale hasn't developed towards overspecialized carpet missiles because they've stayed on rough, loose dirt surfaces, and dirt helps keep car design from getting out of control by introducing tradeoffs for things that would be obvious solutions on smooth surfaces. As a result, 1/8th scale platforms have remained roughly the same for the most part, with small optimizations and tweaks rather than the huge overhaul we saw with the 1/10th scale scene when the 22 and B5 came out, and as a result even older designs are still competitive. As a result, _most_ 1/8th scale buggies are competitive, even the Exceed stuff to an extent if you're willing to take a risk on their plastics. As such, for 1/8th scale buggies there's no reason not to go with an RTR or budget roller to start, rather than a full competition kit.

[@samuelwong4152]

same thought

[@mitsuman5555]

I had a lot of fun with the purple one by turning it into a cheap speed run car and testing out different motor/ESC/ battery combos. It works great for that.

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

I also really love the red white and blue paint job on this one, I think they nailed that on the head..

[@alexwenzel6932]

I have the 14th scale brushless version. And for the price point it's been a blast to rocket around.

[@kieranfletcher7017]

Just got a new 124007, fun little cars

[@Dangeresque14]

I have a heavily upgraded 124019 brushless conversion. It is a ton of fun but even with all the upgrades its still a bit fragile in unexpected places. I could smash a curb and its fine, but flip in grass and I'd bend a cvd. This new chassis looks a lot more predictable in its durability.

[@Themlpg73]

I just ordered a 184016. Would you say this one is more durable than the smaller one?

[@mrzionist]

As an American, I can confirm the paint scheme is FANTASTIC!

[@EJ-74]

Love the comparison vids, I really want this one 😁

[@Helldweller]

Love this new buggy. Also prefer the new red white and blue body. May pick this up.

[@jamhawk]

For my first RC, I'm loving this car, great fun going out with my kids, despite their insistence to try and play bumper cars! I think the 1300mAh battery is standard, you must have received my upgraded order as mine arrived with the smaller battery ;)

[@RCKickschannel]

Thats what I was thinking as the specs had it as a 1300

[@n22pdf]

Looks like a decent improvements 😊 I like the new colours.. looked great on the gravel and running.. be good to see it getting some air 👍👍

[@RCKickschannel]

:)

[@Benjamin_Reese]

I'm from the USA but I prefer the older purple body better too.

[@Paul__FC]

Excellent video. You've changed my mind about WL cars.

[@RCKickschannel]

You can get a load of junk from China but you can find some gems that balance cost and quality really well. Some of these WLToys have massive mod followings with loads of upgrades.

[@CornholioMcGeeRC]

Always love your videos Gav!!

[@RCKickschannel]

Glad you like them! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@michaelfear4801]

first thing I did was change the battery, I made a video on it, great review

[@MrSneakyGunz]

Always good content bud.

[@RCKickschannel]

Much appreciated

[@steelcityrc133]

Nice review Gav!

[@Fly2kill1]

Associated has a Rival MT14 on the way. It looks really good.

[@mikegreen2214]

Good comparison! For the price, I really think the 124008 is unbeatable. Nice Sea-Dweller, by the way! 🍻

[@RCKickschannel]

Thanks 👍

[@user-lk5xk1qu4i]

I bought the 124008, found all the steering parts to wear out really fast, really sloppy within a few battery packs, servo saver also wore out around the same time, no upgrades available so stuck buying the same crappy parts. When I replaced all the steering, the tires had worn out so I replaced with a slightly larger set and blew the rear diff on the first run, once again no upgrade parts so stuck buying the same crappy parts, also the stupid plastic motor mounts makes gearing changes difficult. I've had it for a month and already shelved it. Should have bought the old one, there's heaps of upgrades available for that one.

[@RCKickschannel]

Thanks for the feedback on the new version.

[@Winston-hw8wb]

Hi, thanks for well done comparision.. I would like to ask you.. about shock uppers/tower.. Are those metal interchangable between them?? Or any info about upgrading them on 124008 as they seem to breake easily.. Thanks.

[@unstoppable6047]

There should be metal on the chassis right under the area of the diff housing. That spot get ripped up from the surface your driving on. That won't last long. Get an upgraded part to help if they provide it.

[@mikeupton5406]

I have only seen one WPL buggy and it was the 124019. Immediately was impressed with how smooth the car is. It was the brushless version and on pavement it was much more like a touring car then a buggy. It was fast, so the weight wasn't excessive but it did have a solid feel to it weightwise. It was impressive for a Bang Good car. Quiet, seemed like the gear mesh was really precise. I like the look of new chassis with the hexagon stiffeners molded in. Is the bottom half of the diff housings molded as part of the chassis? Personally I like the upper and lower diff housing halves as separate parts. It makes the potential for metal upgrades more likely. I am not a fan of the new one's higher stance and the non adjustable upper suspension arms are not a plus on my score card.

[@elmarksrecreation7516]

Do notice the drive shaft gear is different from other wltoys model, the original wltoys all uses 7mm bearing while 124008 using 6mm bearing

[@areldcookie5581]

If the THICC drive shaft fits the older one, that would ne great

[@tntrcnutz1]

Not really a fair comparison without including the 124017 , which is what I have . First was the 124019 brushed then 124017 brushless then 124008 . The 124017 is a lot faster than the 124019 . Color of the body shell , battery lay out , and chassis pan are the only real difference than the 124017 . Parts from all will fit each other as they are the same .

[@radio-controlledcouk]

We sell so many of these. We still sell the 124017... and its probably still one of our biggest sellers!

[@PiersPrior]

Are the shock towers the same in the 124008 as in the 124019? I just broke the plastic shock tower on my 008 and I dont know whether a metal replacement will work? Thanks

[@zonoskar]

How's the weight of the new one? Is it lighter? I like the new livery better BTW. But I'd rather see them include a clear body so you can do your own colours.

[@jayhow997]

The other thing is there's more upgrades available for the old one now and the 144. There's a 2845 2 piece adjustable motor mount, 3 new pinion options 19 17 15t , and a slipper clutch. There is 3650/550 size adjustable mount too but that's like the original mount but with 2 slots. Not that great.

[@RCKickschannel]

So many mods and upgrades for the old one. I didn't think about covering that aspect.

[@uA_1905_hY]

2845 4500kv with 15t on my 124019 is doing great! Loving it

[@barrycheesemore2928]

They're both decent buggies, and the metal in the old one was a bit, erm, rubbish, at least the new one with the plastic bits should be better. Great review!!

[@Themlpg73]

I just ordered a 1:18 184016 but now I kind of feel that I should have got this one instead. It’s much bigger and not much slower. Plus it seems newer and more advanced. Does this have the V1 V2 issue or is there only one? I see it does not come with the blue wheel control that is supposed to be better.

[@ripmax333]

I don’t know why but chassis of the new one reminds me of an ARRMA chassis .

[@roblowrie1969]

Definitely, an improvement, and no cogging!! 😎👍🏻

[@RCKickschannel]

Yep the v1 brushless one was a bit of a nightmare. I think the fogging was fixed in the v2

[@keldonator]

Can you use stock motor and change esc to 3s?

[@rcdrive2563]

Can you have video of the tires of 124008 to put into tamiya rally kit

[@DPoner]

I actually like the metal chassis cars. They handle better.

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

New one is largely based on an Arrma typhon and from what I’ve seen is tough as nails. So tough it’d probably pass the Talbot test

[@RCKickschannel]

Nothing ever passes that test lol

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

@@RCKickschannel hahahaha

[@SaarlandRC]

I Like the new Chassis Design. But the battery System......😵‍💫

[@SpeccyMan]

I see the words "proprietary battery" and my response will always be "I won't be buying one of these then." A pity because it looks to be quite a good buggy. Anyway, I've just taken delivery of a shiny new FTX Apache. 😁 I've also just received a Tamiya DT-03 Turnbuckle set in the post. Those things are as rare as Unicorn poop right now. I think I may have just bought the last one available in the UK right now as nobody else seems to have them in stock.

[@RCKickschannel]

I hope to get an FTX Apache on the show at some point soon so I can compare it against the Zorro and the Slash

[@neogenesus]

Nothing proprietary about the battery. You could easily remove 2 screws to release the connector and use whichever LiPo you want.

[@palemonvazquez1383]

can I use 3s lipo batteries 1300mah for either model?

[@Wolfsburg01]

Do these use the same differentials as the 1/16 MJX Hyper Go brushless?

[@keldonator]

I want to know this also

[@jasonfuller3376]

i really wanna see them make a 1/8

[@butchmeister80]

Can you buy these in uk or have to eBay them from china only?

[@SeekingTheVerdants]

Does the 124001 car use the same parts as these cars?

[@RinkaiKouen]

If this is just an elongated MJX chassis... the monster truck version of this is gonna be great 🎉

[@RCKickschannel]

Yes, I think it does come from the MJX chassis design as it goes.

[@keldonator]

​@@RCKickschannelDo you know if the diffs are the same in this as the mjx 1:16 scale? It would be a big help if this information was shared.

[@paulmccarter908]

You're crazy man, I have the same chassis in the Hyper Go and it fits a multitude of aftermarket batteries. Frustrating? No examination of internals? Spend more time on the box than the driveline, which is it's main selling point?

[@djhrjeiwhri]

You forgot to compare the steering response from remote

[@loafoftoast2034]

I'm new to RC cars and I've just ordered the 124008, but hadn't realized you had to be quite so disciplined with Lipo batteries. Am I ok just using the USB charger? Do they have an auto cut off? I'll most likely not be using it all the time so storage is an issue to. Can I get none Lipo batteries for this as i'm not sure I want the hassle? Any advise would be greatly received. Cheers

[@RCKickschannel]

Get a Lipo reader for $10 as well as a 3S balance cable $6.00. All you have to do is make sure when you are finished with the car, the battery is around 40%-65% before you put it away.

[@loafoftoast2034]

@@RCKickschannel Thanks for taking the time to reply. It's appreciated. I'll get those ordered.

[@loafoftoast2034]

Just on the off chance it's useful info for anyone else, in the end I bought a Bat Safe Box and a SkyRc 100 charger with some extension cables. The car itself is great. Being new to modern RC cars this feels very fast and fun. However trimming the throttle down means my son can enjoy the car at appropriate speeds.

[@butchmeister80]

Just store it in a tin be fine

[@danielmarin4493]

Is there any lag on the new transmiter?

[@RCKickschannel]

A super small amount but not enough to feel horrible. If I was on a track with it I would upgrade it but for normal garden driving and bashing, save your money unless you already have a better trans.

[@caymanjoe2527]

Debating weather to buy one of these or a Mjx 16207, what you do recon?

[@RCKickschannel]

Whatever one you like the most. Good cars so I don’t think you will be disappointed

[@caymanjoe2527]

@@RCKickschannel ok thank you

[@robertshelton2605]

I like the old one. The new one doesn't look very upgradable

[@zipppiz]

Driftin probably better because of heavier and steel chassie

[@murraymadness4674]

Have any racetracks embraced these 1/14 cars? They were completely shunned in the past, no stock class for them, etc.

[@RCKickschannel]

Not at my local track

[@tonyparker4211]

It’s the same colour as the Union Jack

[@firedog9113]

You know the Fierce has a brushless out now, it'll blow both of those away.

[@RCvapor]

Looks like they have taken alot of designs from MJX rc ?

[@RCKickschannel]

100%, just a longer wheelbase

[@stephenksiazek812]

Hee haa! First to comment! 🏁🏆

[@TheDigitalG]

Can you upgrade the motor to a faster one and also why can't one chance the battery connector to a more "normal" one? sorry Noob questions here

[@RCKickschannel]

it's possible to change to a different battery but you have to work with the space available. The connector is OK as its a standard Deans

[@fatjoecanadian81]

I turned my 124019 into a drift buggy

[@Murphys_Law9]

For about $30 u can get a Rlaaro almost twice as fast

[@ronaldlatosinski4066]

Always been told no such thing as a dumb question. With that being said, why do most buggies have solid wheels? Especially white. This question is coming from someone who has been in the hobby off & on for many years.

[@WellingtonIronman]

Easier to clean, and stronger.

[@Fly2kill1]

Easy to spot on the track also. Light weight. Just the racing stuff

[@TheSphongleface]

The video is almost half an hour long. What are the differences? The colors.

[@RCKickschannel]

I would ask for your money back if I was you!

[@grotty78]

I am overall disappointed with the 124008 - I think I expected too much after watching various positive videos. I've now driven the new car for about 1 - 1.5 hours (3 battery charges with the 2000mAh battery). Basically, I find the speed and acceleration insane, but it's a lot of fun. However, I had to notice that the quick starts, fast switching from forward to reverse, and the occasional crash have left significant marks. At the end of the third battery charge, the car suddenly started to creak/scream a lot (without a direct preceding crash). As it turned out when opening it, the pinions and gears have already suffered such significant damage in this short time that I will probably need to replace them. There's a lot of metal debris in the housing. I haven't even taken a closer look at the differential yet. I am now unsure whether my driving style is so bad and I am pushing the part too hard, or if the material quality is just pretty poor. I was actually leaning towards simply ordering the car a second time to have a second battery and an extensive spare parts inventory. But if I assume that I will have to replace various "wear parts" again after another 1-2 hours, it will get expensive quickly. Did I have false expectations or were the various KZbin videos misleading, where these things come across as very robust? Are the WLToys really that short-lived or do I need to adjust my driving style (less throttle at the start, then full throttle later, etc.)?

[@VestedUTuber]

Ok, on the chassis, the materials on the older design could have been better but by moving from an aluminum plate to a plastic tub it's actually a MAJOR downgrade design-wise. You see, these days, even smaller cars generally have more than enough power to run an aluminum chassis plate, and having an aluminum plate lowers the CG of the car significantly, which increases stability and makes the car feel more planted. I guarantee the 124008 is going to be more prone to both spinning out and traction rolling compared to the 124019. And with the recent price hikes for WLToys, they could have put that into finding a good source of at least 6061 aluminum. I used to respect WLToys uniquely among the Chinese "cars with long sequences of numbers" brands for being able to show how a high-end racing model (A lot of WLToys' cars are LC Racing clones, except for the 104001 which is an XRAY XB4) can be made into an entry-level RTR at a budget price. But now they're just trying to copy the basher brands. I bet the next version will ditch the camber links for fixed suspension links and the dogbones for plastic telescoping driveshafts. That's not to say they haven't moved forward. It definitely looks like they've improved the materials quality. It's just that in upgrading the materials and build quality they've downgraded the design in the process.

[@Boogie_the_cat]

Fast forward to 2024 and WLToys use almost exclusively plastic in their new models. Sad.

[@RCKickschannel]

WLToys product strategy has taken a shocking turn in the wrong direction. Everything has friction shocks these days 🤦🏼🤷🏼‍♂️

[@michaelsmyth5658]

Oooo wow warnings on the box . Get a grip . 🤣

[@palemonvazquez1383]

wich model what you recommend

[@TheSphongleface]

‼️ MOST IMPORTANT ‼️ THE AXLES are MAD on the new car. Put them in your 124017/19 Plastic chassy? No way!!!! You know you'll be going on asphalt only, so don't get the cracky cracky chassy. Get the metal!!! 😎

[@duncanscubie]

I prefer the older one all day long . And the new one battery’s is a big NO for me .

[@philiprccars4340]

I got one at an absolute steal from Aliexpress on Black Friday - I prefer to spend my Black Friday online instead of being trampled to death at the shops ...

[@RCKickschannel]

100% agree

[@DPoner]

Proprietary battery 👎

[@neogenesus]

It is not proprietary at all. Just remove the plastic bit (2 screws) and release the connector and now you can use any smaller LiPo battery you want. He wasn't that clear of it when reviewing it.

[@stonecold6243]

I hate those cars

[@cherandissanayake9530]

This is a toy grid car it's not the RC hobby car... Chinese will do just to get the money they don't know what's the meaning of RC means... I'm from Asia so I know you're just wasting your time why won't you talk about something really nice like team associated.. 😊

[@keldonator]

Their parts are from China too...

[@neogenesus]

Made in China too buddy

[@leehurst6922]

No turnbuckle upper.links?

[@RCKickschannel]

Not on the new one.