Reacting to LINCOLN (2012) | Movie Reaction

[@keithmartin4670]

You’ll be glad to know that Robert Todd Lincoln lived to the age of 82 and was present when the Lincoln Memorial was dedicated in the 1920s.

[@crossfire1453]

You can be an honorary American Dawn. Your love and respect for Lincoln is contagious. You picked an amazing one to like. His actions to end the war and abolish slavery the way he did is the stuff of legend. The amendments in our constitution are what we try to live by as Americans. Thanks for the great reaction. p.s. Amendments to the Constitution are very difficult to get passed, that's why there are not that many to date.

[@xhagast]

Lol, at the same time this movie showed how Lincoln could swim in the Washington swamp and the alligators would flee because they would be afraid, he would eat THEM.

[@cruesome2]

Actually 🤓, Lincoln had a high pitched and kind of scratchy voice. It's just that tall men who portray him tend to have deep voices.

[@aaronburdon221]

@@Billy-zv6gv It's documented that he had a higher pitched voice.

[@bobsylvester88]

Of course there’s no real recording, but he is described as having a higher pitched tenor voice.

[@BM-hb2mr]

100%correct

[@BM-hb2mr]

Because there was documentation to say he had a voice that was different. Than what he loved he had a higher pitched voice called history books

[@karlydoc]

Like David Beckham.

[@johnwheeler8882]

The speeches and insults that Thaddeus Stevens (Tommy Lee Jones) says on the House floor are things that the real life Thaddeus Stevens said. They took his lines from Congressional minutes. Also, when you hear Lincoln's pocket watch tick, they recorded one of his actual watches and played it.

[@CJ87317]

My favorite Stevens insult went something along the lines of "Surely you are a bastard because i knew your wife's husband and he was an honorable man." He really did have an acidic tongue. LOL.

[@ryansyler8847]

Mary Todd Lincoln was born a southern belle whose family were wealthy slaveowners. Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln had four sons. Eddie died of tuberculosis in 1850 at age 4, Willy died of typhoid in 1862 at age 12 while Lincoln was President. Her husband was murdered in front of her eyes in 1865, and her youngest son Thomas (Tad) died of pneumonia in 1871 at age 18. This last death finally broke her and her only surviving son Robert had her briefly committed to an insane asylum. Modern historians speculate that she may have had bipolar disorder, but having your whole family die one by one while your husband is in charge of a war against your homeland would break anyone. She was poorly regarded as a First Lady, but she's a tragic figure all around.

[@mjrose44]

Not just a great President but rumour has it that he was also a pretty good Vampire Hunter

[@mikealvarez2322]

It wasn't until the 13th Amendment was ratified on December 6, 1865 that almost all the slaves were freed. Some Native American tribes still held black slaves. Since these tribes were considered as separate nations it took treaty negotiations to finally end slavery. The Creek Indians finally freed their slaves in June 1866, a full year and 2 months after the war ended.😮

[@shainewhite2781]

Nominated for 12 Academy Awards including Best Picture but won for Best Actor Daniel Day Lewis and Best Production Design

[@odysseusrex5908]

Should have swept the awards that year. I think that was the last time I watched them.

[@gregbard]

You should know that amending the US Constitution is extremely difficult. It takes a two-thirds vote of both chambers of Congress (the House and Senate) and then it requires *three-quarters* of the state legislatures to ratify the proposed Amendment. Only then is the Amendment enacted. For the "Reconstruction Amendments" (13, 14, and 15), they simply didn't count the Confederate states. Those states then had to officially ratify those Amendments before being re-admitted to the union.

[@stevencass8849]

Actually, they *did* count the seceded states, because Lincoln never considered the states actually seceded. So he needed two former Confederate states to ratify the amendment, which turned out to be Louisiana and Tennessee.

[@gregbard]

Actually, no they didn't. The Congressional Representatives from the Confederate states were not seated, and therefore the quorum in Congress was calculated without them. @@stevencass8849

[@tigqc]

This was shot in and around Richmond in late 2011 while I was in film school at VCU. Some of my friends actually dropped out of classes to go work as production assistants on it. A few actors with bit parts wound up in our summer productions the next year so it was fun spotting them in Lincoln when it came out in theaters.

[@thomastimlin1724]

When I was a kid around 1965, my original family [parents and brother] stopped in to Springfield Illinois to Lincoln's home and burial tomb on the way home from a vacation out west. In 2019 my wife and I went to Lincoln's home again, now run by the National Park system. They have a big museum for Lincoln that was not there in the 1960's. When you walk inside the museum to the big lobby, it was startling... real life looking color statues [like wax museum thing] of Lincoln, his wife Mary Todd Lincoln, and kids all standing there as if to personally greet everyone. It was so stunning that I cried. For a few seconds, they looked real!! When I got to see the inside of his home again, just a short few blocks block away, I noticed the wall paper in the bedroom was the SAME original wallpaper I saw when I was a kid. There is also an official National Parks building 1/2 block from the home with history and short films etc. The Ranger who took us on the tour said that was one of the few rooms the replica wallpaper was not needed yet. I told him I had seen the same wall paper some 55 years before as a kid...Lincoln's tomb is across town a little ways in the cemetery. I truly wish I could get you, Dawn, TO that town and museum and house...to see for yourself.

[@Blue-qr7qe]

13:28 He just snorted a pinch of pulverized/powdered tobacco. Much like when snorting cocaine, the nicotine hits the mucous membrane inside the nose and produces a rush.

[@Blue-qr7qe]

@Blue They called this "snuff" and I believe it is still available from tobacconists today..

[@okeefe757]

No explanations needed Dawn. Of course you would not know too much about U.S. history as a Scot. Do not worry.

[@haywoodsmith2822]

There are schools in Scotland, y'know...

[@s.henrlllpoklookout5069]

​@@haywoodsmith2822 they teach classes about the American Civil War in Scotland?

[@KrazyKat007]

@@haywoodsmith2822Does a Chinese school teach their kids all about the American civil war? Or do they teach their kids matters related to Chinese history?

[@okeefe757]

@@haywoodsmith2822 we know little Scottish history here in America. So I was just saying it is ok to not know much US history when you are from Scotland.

[@hobbes305]

@@haywoodsmith2822 Let’s try an experiment, shall we? Without Googling, what can you tell us about Henry VII, George V, Benjamin Disraeli or Mary of Teck? No cheating now!

[@jerseyfky]

Daniel Day Lewis solidified his legend as the greatest actor in the history of cinema with this performance. Fight me.

[@John_Locke_108]

Pretty sure he solidified that decades before this film. But regardless, it's a an amazing film and performance.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

That's some fighting talk! Pistols or swords, sir? My claim is that Daniel Day Lewis already solidified his legend as the greatest actor in the history of cinema with his performance in "The Last of the Mohicans".

[@John_Locke_108]

@@scipioafricanus5871 Yep. Most would agree.

[@jnagarya519]

@@scipioafricanus5871 See "The Incredible Lightness of Being".

[@rodneybarton-hall3867]

'There Will Be Blood' was the outstanding performance for me. only for him to surpass it in 'Lincoln'.

[@awesomeinspector5270]

Take it from a historian with a MA in history and a lifelong fascination with Lincoln; he was every bit the great leader and good person you saw in the movie, and much, much more 😉

[@Peg__]

Umm.. Was he a good person? Do we really know? Personally, I don't take people's word for it without investigating the person for myself. 🌈 📚 Reding Rainbow (TV show) taught generations of peole that. "You dont have to take my word for it"- LeVar Burton In other words, "See it for yourself to believe it." How do I know you genuinely hold a Masters degree in History? You want me to believe that without question. "Tea without the reciepts, is just gossip" To understand Lincoln as an individual, a person needs to hear the lived experiences from as many different groups of people available, and then come to your own conclusion. Native American experiences get glossed over. Civil War was not simply North v South, it was all the different cultures and communities that were fighting for their own vision of what freedom looked like to them. The US during this time were invading Native territory, the Spanish territory, etc. Those battles were given a different name like 'Dakota War" because it was 2 groups of people opposing one another. (oversimply put) The North & South was called the Civil War, because the leaders of those States were European. Europeans v Europeans. Same heritage that split and relocated over a length of time due to different ideals. Read up on the Dakota War. While Lincoln did free the slaves, he also gave Grant orders to march Natives to POW camps, now known as reservations. All those people that Lincoln fast tracked without trial, were native american people. Its the reason for the largest mass execution in US history in Mankato Minnesota. 300 POWs, 38+2 were hanged, the rest were forced up river to the Reservatios in SD, NE, ND, and Canada, where they are still being held today by the government. People are complicated, Lincoln was no different. It all depends on Lincoln's actions, and whether you benefited by his actions or were further oppressed by his actions. People will not take your word for it blindly without context, ya?

[@awesomeinspector5270]

@Peg__ Granted, you don't have to solely take my word regarding my master's. In retrospect, that probably wasn't necessary, I'll admit. But yes, I spent the better part of the past few years researching Native American history in conjunction with Lincoln's presidency, so I have indeed read up on it. And yes, I'm very well aware of the Dakota War and the executions. And I never suggested or meant to imply that Lincoln wasn't complicated or was himself perfect. I just didn't think such a deeply analytical historical discussion was going come out of a KZbin video comment section.

[@dennisstafford-cq2xz]

Daniel Day Lewis was amazing. Springfield, Illinois where Lincoln had his home is but 100 miles from me. My opinion of Lincoln was he was the greatest of Presidents. Daniel Day Lewis said in preparing to play Lincoln and finding Lincon's voice he fell in love woth Lincoln. Lewis said Lincoln was his most likable person person and character. Other characters were harder to shake after playing them but Lincoln was the one he absolutely adored as a person.

[@minski76]

"Why cant he be alive forever?" A wild John Wilkes Booth appears.....

[@timothyscheidler6365]

Lincoln had 3 sons - Robert, Willie, and Tad. Willie died at age 11 aftér a bout of either rheumatic fever or measles. He died just as Licoln and his family were travelling to Washington to be sworn in.

[@peachbottom2010]

Actually Lincoln had a voice that kinda shocked people. This big dude actually had a high pitched, weak voice according to research.

[@indiecab9593]

High-pitched maybe, but weak??!! Why? He couldn’t get the words out?? that’s your embellishment, and it doesn’t make any sense-understand?

[@billparrish4385]

According to reports at the time, DDL's voice for Lincoln here is pretty accurate. Higher pitched, certainly not deep. Never heard it described as weak, however that's meant, but certainly higher in range.

[@BubbaCoop]

Which made the trash talk before his boxing matches entertaining in its own right.

[@richardrobbins387]

​@BubbaCoop "Big guy, big reach...skinny guys fight to the burger" -Tyler Durden

[@johannesvalterdivizzini1523]

@@billparrish4385 Yes. He was described as having a "trumpet call" voice that carried very far.

[@keithmartin4670]

Another telling of Lincoln’s youth was “Abe Lincoln in Illinois”, which ends with him boarding the train to Washington. The full story of the American Civil War is told very well in the American television miniseries “The Civil War”, directed by Ken Burns. It will be a long journey but well worth it.

[@billolsen4360]

Sad but amazing documentary.

[@haraldisdead]

Thaddeus Stevens is from my city and buried here. I try to get there once a year. Just went two weeks ago and laid some flowers. General Reynolds is here too, for real civil war buffs

[@juanitajones6900]

Hal Holbrook, the actor who portrayed Francis Blair in this movie, had portrayed Abraham Lincoln in a miniseries from the 1970s. He won an Emmy for his performance. You should check it out. He was brilliant. Holbrook also portrayed Lincoln in the 1986 miniseries, "North and South: Book II".

[@wesbeuning1733]

Fun fact: Daniel Day Lewis actually travelled back in time and lived as Abraham Lincoln for this role.

[@vermithax]

Delighted laughter: "He said shit." This, the whole reaction, was wonderful.

[@michaelmccoy8059]

If you're watching civil war movies you HAVE TO watch Gone with the Wind. Not only considered one of the best movies ever made but it's fits your recent trend of movies

[@johannesvalterdivizzini1523]

GWTW is old, dated and very CSA sympathetic. It makes a poor CW drama, with nice cinemaphotography, some great acting, but it IS 1939 and very pre-civil rights.

[@Huntress59]

GWtW was good for its time when people wanted to believe in the happy Negro. It is well made but once you are aware of the truth you can enjoy performances while realizing it might be insulting to many others .

[@karidrgn]

gwtw Is a horrid film. Scarlet is a spoiled privilege narcissistic brat. It continues the myth that the south started the war for Nobel purposes when it was about power and slavery.

[@RolandDeschain1]

Day Lewis's research on this thing was Herculean. He discovered that Lincoln actually had quite a high voice.

[@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw]

Dawn Marie, Sally Fields who plays Lincoln’s wife, played Forrest Gump’s mother in Forrest Gump.

[@chickmcgee1000]

If you’ve not watched Ken Burns’ The Civil War, produced PBS. It’s one of the best documentaries there is about the war.

[@eq1373]

Burns is a flaming liberal, but I have to agree.

[@frankmorgan6124]

I really think he was our greatest President. The American Founding Father's thought that slavery would die out on it's own, but it became too valuable after the cotton gin was invented. Lincoln was our least educated President, he had only a first grade education. He loved to learn and educated himself. Even after he studied and became a lawyer, he never stopped learning. He studied high level math and geometry because he found it interesting.

[@haywoodsmith2822]

From under which under-educated and easily bamboozled Aryan evangelical rock did you come? Lincoln was self-educated. To the point where, he had a license to practice law in Illinois before he went into the House of Representatives. Full stop.

[@josephwallace202]

"This problem will take care of itself" is generally bad political economy.

[@frankmorgan6124]

That is why slavery festered on for 84 years before the civil war began. The North and the South both had backed themselves into a wall and the center couldn't hold. @@josephwallace202

[@ajaxfernsby4078]

Also the only president to have a patent for an invention.

[@BubbaCoop]

Washington has to be up there. He turned down being king, then set the precedent of only two terms as president.

[@kermitcook8498]

One of those actors you noticed was Hal Holbrook. His xoice is closer to the tone of Abe's speaking voice. He has multiple credits for his portrayals. Also does an excellent Mark Twain. Henry Fonda, Walter Huston, Gregory Peck, Raymond Massey, and Sam Waterston all have been the great man. Abe has fought zombies and vampires, and he's helped BILL AND TED pass their history class. Best since Kelly Mac

[@arjaylee]

How did it go? 100 years later, the National guard was required some places in the South to enforce the integration of schools.

[@nickname6747]

You need to watch Free State Of Jones to see what happened in the some places in the US following the civil war, a hard watch though. Thanks for uploading, Dawn Marie.

[@christophermerlot3366]

Hal Holbrook was an American character actor. He was great in Magnum Force (Dirty Harry 2 basically) and The Fog.

[@tileux]

The Gettysburg address is a very very short speech. Lincoln made that speech on a blustery day at Gettysburg within days of the battle (which occurred over the US Independence Day). While he spoke, burial parties continued their work and hastily buried bodies could still be seen sticking out of the ground around the place where Lincoln gave his speech. It was such a short speech that journalists who were there were surprised when it finished, having assumed Lincoln was merely pausing. Due to the wind, no journalist took the speech down accurately and there was a lot of debate - and still is a lot of debate - about which version of the speech was the "correct' one (the original Lincoln read from having been lost - and that may not have been fully written anyway; Lincoln was a genius at making speeches). In fact, Lincoln, who was facing his second election as President, was lambasted brutally by the press and his political opponents over the Gettysburg Address. It wasnt until much later that it was recognised as a classic speech for the ages. Lincoln was also a master of funny stories and anecdotes and was a very effective, if somewhat unorthodox, lawyer - his cases had a habit of ending with very unofficial amicable resolutions. He was also a master politician - anonymously owning a german language newspaper which printed his stories and thoughts in german and ensured he had a lot of support from german speaking voters. He was a man head and shoulders above all other american politicians and his death was a tragedy for the entire world. By the way, the problems that slavery caused were many. Bear in mind that just prior to the civil war the territory of the USA was not what it is today. It was only about half way towards the west and all those states that are just west of "midwest USA" didnt exist back then. As those territories were being conquered and taken from native americans they were forming new states and every time a new state was formed there was a massive debate about whether slavery should be legal in that state. Slavery was, in fact, regarded as a great evil by most. But the practical effect of it was that each 'slave state" effectively had extra votes in the US senate, because slaves were not allowed to vote but they were counted for the purpose of senate votes (with an elaborate formula). That was an enduring political problem because it gave slave states extra power in the US senate. And that was also a problem because the slave states effectively imposed slavery on the anti-slave states by forcing anto-slave states to return run-away slaves. On top of that every time a new state was created - which would add more anti or pro slavery senators and congressmen - there was, in effect, a civil war in the new territory, as pro-slavery people fought anti-slavery people to determine whether the new state would be a slave or non slave state. There were many killing as each side tried to get the upper hand - part of that is known as the 'bleeding kansas" period. This is the background that Lincoln was elected into. His first election was a bit weird - back then they didnt have elections as we know them today and they didnt have campaigns, but Lincoln and his opponent effectively started the modern day election campaign and even then he was elected by the electoral college as a bit of compromise. It was his election - from a relatevely new antislavery party (republican party - yep) - that triggered the southern states to start seceding. because Lincoln openly opposed the creation of new slavery states and, because it was obvious that new states would be joining the Union, that would have eventually deprived the southern states of their grip on power in the senate and, to a lesser extent, on the lower house (congress). ps the Lincoln's had 4 sons. Only one survived to become an adult. Thats why Mary Todd Lincoln - who was a shrewd political operator in their early days - became a bit unhinged. Tad died about 5 years after Lincoln. Reconstruction in the south after the war was a mess. The vice president, Andrew Johnson, was very racist and pro-south (vice presidents werent chosen then as they are now) and he was sympathetic to the southerners who tried to prevent black americans voting and kept them out of offices and businesses etc. On the other hand, some former rebels, like general james longstreet, supported the union's efforts to bring equality and Longstreet actually fought in command of black police and soldiers against violent rioters in the south (for which he was smeared badly in southern history books). Basically, because of Lincoln's murder, reconstruction of the south was a mess. Stevens' housekeeper, Lydia Hamilton Smith was probably his common law wife. She had, from memory, a black grandfather, but if you look at her pictures she could easily pass for white.

[@davidotis5598]

Lincoln, the greatest president we ever had. Talk about having a full plate. He was a man of God. And a true patriot.

[@artbagley1406]

Lincoln had to grieve for his dead sons. He also grieved for the nation's sons, the soldiers so many families gave to the Union cause. Lincoln grieved deeply for the soldiers who nobly advanced the cause of freedom for slaves.

[@patmurray9730]

You saw several soldiers reciting the Gettysburg Address at the beginning of the movie. That was very common that people knew the words to it. In fact, if I remember correctly, until the early 1960s it was required in MOST schools to know the words to that speech. I think I was one of the final classes who had to know it.

[@StayProteus]

We gotta get this woman more views so she can do this full time so we can get more videos

[@waterbeauty85]

Because Dawn likes Abraham Lincoln and B&W movies and doesn't like politics, I bet she would enjoy "Young Mister Lincoln" (1939) starring Henry Fonda. It's a good courtroom drama with a beautiful performance by Fonda portraying Lincoln as an idealistic young man just starting out from his humble beginnings.

[@farmerbill6855]

Like most Hollywood things, this film takes wild license with the actual truth. Overall, it's a good movie though. Lincoln's task of keeping the union together was monumental and he used great wisdom in accomplishing it.

[@Belleplainer]

The movie takes some license with the peace talks between Lincoln and Stephens for dramatic effect. The Confederate government wasn't really serious about rejoining the Union, even at that late point in a war they were obviously losing, because they knew there was no way they could do so and keep slavery, which was the whole point of secession. Prior to Lee's surrender at Appomattox Courthouse, the Confederate government had informally made it known to the Confederate military (there were no orders, only informal suggestions and talk between the political and military leadership) that it should start a guerrilla campaign if they could no longer effectively counter the Union army in regular battle. By surrendering, Lee essentially rejected the idea and gave cover for all other Confederate commanders to do the same. And I also don't think there was a motion to delay the vote based on the Confederate peace commission. The movie also, for obvious reasons, doesn't go into Lincoln's thoughts on repatriation. Repatriation was a fairly popular idea among many abolitionists that all African Americans should be sent back or "repatriated" to Africa. Lincoln had expressed support for the idea at times, but it's not really known whether his statements were genuine or merely made for political reasons. No one in the government ever seriously proposed it as government policy. The efforts that were made were all undertaken through private means and only repatriated African Americans who volunteered. The difficulties that these efforts encountered with even the small number of African Americans who were voluntarily repatriated probably (or at least should have) demonstrated to anyone who was paying attention that trying this with the millions of African Americans who were then living in the US, the vast majority of whom had no intention of voluntarily leaving the country, was an absolute impossibility. By the way, the abstentions were important because they reduced how many votes the amendment needed to pass the House. Two-thirds of voting members voting "aye" are required to pass an amendment. Abstentions aren't counted in that calculation, so the number of "ayes" needed to pass it was fewer than if the abstainers had voted "nay".

[@johnmaynardable]

Lincoln was the leader we needed at that time. Daniel Day Lewis is a wonderful actor who has sadly stopped acting. Sally Fields has always been a great actor. Ms. Lincoln was a little crazy. If you are interested there are a series of films Called Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Abraham Lincoln vs Zombies that are stupid fun.

[@HonRevPTB]

Dawn you are just the absolutely most precious, i love the fact that you're so self aware of the things you don't know and you have a good laugh about it!!!!!!! 😂🤣😆😊💖💯👍

[@twooharmony2000]

0:50 response, giddy.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@rogerd777]

Amending the US Constitution requires a 2/3 majority of each house of Congress, PLUS ratification of 3/4 of the state legislatures. In this film, they focused on the House of Representatives, since the Senate had enough of a Republican majority that a 2/3 majority there was not as difficult. Also, ratification by the 27 states (3/4 of the number of states in the union at the time) was completed by the end of 1865, so that's when it officially became part of the Constitution. Interesting that the most recently ratified amendment, the 27th, was actually passed by Congress in 1789, but never got 3/4 of the states to ratify until 1992 when it became part of the Constitution. Other proposed amendments since then have time limits built into them so if they aren't ratified within a certain number of years (usually 7), they "die".

[@AmatureAstronomer]

When Lincoln's successor, President Grant, finished his presidential acceptance speech, he turned to his wife and said, "There, now are you satisfied?" and then stormed off.

[@twooharmony2000]

13:28 comment. Notice he took a pinch of something, it might be called "snuff."-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@billforrester2512]

If you read, read the book Team of Rivals. It’s a great book that can help you learn who Lincoln really was. I know you will really enjoy it. It’s one my two favorite books.

[@docnu5757]

if you can watch the documentary series CIVIL WAR by Ken Burns.... you would love it. Great video again Dawn Marie!!

[@stillaboveground2470]

For some reason, I was nervous going to the theater to see this film.

[@mugbarron2172]

Thanks for reacting to this! A lot of reactors don’t watch this movie, idk why.

[@sirgalahad3574]

I can't imagine being a political leader during a time of war. If you see photos of Lincoln before and after, I believe it is very apparent the toll it took on him.

[@the-wordplay-dojo]

A quick Birds Eye view: the idea of emancipation had been growing, but slavery was still a deeply held way of life in the South. The US had only been formed in 1776 (or had won their freedom from British rule). Everything the did was setting a precedent, for good and bad. To form a Union in the first place, they had to agree to some Federal control, and rules, while allowing the individual states to control and rule other things the way they want. An amendment to the Constitution would mean that it's legal EVERYWHERE in the US. The South knew that Lincoln was one of the threats, if he was elected. They even made it clear that IF Lincoln won the Presidency, that they'd secede from the Union; and that's just Lincoln starting the job as President, not about anything he did. As I understand it, Lincoln initially didn't buy into the idea of emancipation. He knew it was a hot button topic, and would be resisted at every turn. Over the course of the war, he realised that it was the only right way to be. He insisted on tying the official end of the war, to the signing of that amendment. Sadly, not long afterwards, a Southern sympathiser assassinated him in the theatre booth. Was it a "states rights" or "slavery" issue? Look at exactly what the States wanted to do, that they couldn't do, if that change happened? They wanted to keep slaves. They would no longer be allowed to keep slaves. THIS is the "right" that they felt so strongly about, that they were willing to go to WAR, to protect it. The PR spin for the Confederacy, is about tradition, and states rights. The reality is that they're deeply racist, and don't want ANYTHING resembling fairness, or equality. By "they", I mean society in general, especially at various levels of power, who constantly find little ways to power trip. Apply that same thinking to ANY major political turning point. Dawn, I'm also a Scot. I voted YES in 2014. Using that logic of "what are the Independence side saying they WANT to do, but CAN'T as part of the Union". If there's something they CAN do, as part of the Union, why the need to leave it?" In that example, I found them wanting to protect public ownership of the NHS, something that is constantly under threat while decisions are made for profit, at Westminster.

[@jfwalden2105]

"What's next, votes for women?!?" "Harumph!! Harumph!! HARUMPH!!" "I didn't get a Harumph outta that guy!"

[@mikeyben7]

Yeah The American Civil War was armed genocide. Also not to possibly out someone, but there are rumors/conspiracies/people in Abe’s life who claimed that he had a male lover? I think it’s fascinating!

[@JamesLucas-z1o]

If you want a more full biographical film about Lincoln's life try 1940 "Abe Lincoln in Illinois." The title sounds rather like something you would watch in school, but is is actually quite dramatic and very well acted.

[@eq1373]

At 32:40....look at it this way, Dawn - politics is warfare without bloodshed. Warfare is politics with bloodshed.

[@ctidd]

Fantastic reaction, Dawn, thank you. You know a lot more details about the U.S. Civil War than the English Civil War. You’re doing great!

[@liduck52]

27:34 He said "Major Rathbone".

[@Wreath83]

Very nice reaction Dawn 😊

[@twooharmony2000]

26:54 -ish marvelous reaction.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@twooharmony2000]

7:57 comment Lincolnette.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@popandroid]

834th best movie A-VER! yeah...let's do Lincoln instead of An Officer and a Gentleman...great job Patreon! you're geniuses.

[@blakefreitas5409]

After the Civil War ended, slavery was ended in the United States, however African Americans were still discriminated against for many years...especially in the South

[@jamesgardner2101]

I wish Hollywood would make at least somewhat accurate films about each of the presidents. Sure, Ford would only need to be a trailer, but FDR would need a trilogy... Everyone would ask for their money back during the Carter film, and ticket prices for Clinton would be outrageous. There would be Bush Fire volumes 1 & 2, and Kennedy and Reagan are like wizards.. The script for Trump is still being written, and no script is needed for Biden, 'cause nobody could read it anyhow.

[@indiana-florida2479]

If you want to see some really great movies on the American civil war. Watch movies like, Free State of Jones and God's and Generals and Gettysburg.

[@TearyEyesAndersonReacts]

Little know fact; Abraham Lincoln was also a "Vampire Hunter" For better or worse... Look it up you'll see... ;)

[@arjaylee]

The more time away from politics, the happier I am.

[@jeffreyturkin155]

You would love the movie Abe Lincoln in Illinois made in 1940 it's about his younger days

[@chuckhilleshiem6596]

I have watched you many many times. what I love about you is it seems to me you have a good and pure heart . You also seem to be looking for the right thing to be done . God bless you . PS if you get the chance watch the movie Gettysberg

[@davemcbroom695]

Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

[@KennethSavage-nn2vv]

Also, your laugh is infectious 😂

[@lancewolf2451]

the movie depicted Lincoln as hardly ever guarded..

[@warre1]

I recommend alternative story of Lincoln, 2012 movie Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

[@What_Makes_Climate_Tick]

Major Rathbone = giraffe bone. Ha ha!

[@dondevice8182]

“Mary Lincoln was a little bit of a dick.” - Dawn Marie

[@NeilEvans-xq8ik]

I'd vote for you

[@Fanofyout]

@Dawn Marie. You should listen to the hauntingly sad poem "O Captain! My Captain!" by Walt Whitman about Lincoln and the war's end. There is a good reading on here by RedFrost Motivation.

[@BM-hb2mr]

Actually, his voice in real life was kind of high-pitched. Didn't match him but they have no recordings of him. But there is things written in the history ledgers but no, he didn't have a deep voice. You would think he would but he didn't

[@titanuranus3095]

"Someone died, or will die" Lincoln was shot dead if that is what you mean.

[@dolf370]

Ha, ha, how the hell do you know what is voice was like. For Billy Bob Thornton, you got to watch Bad Santa and season one of Fargo. He is absolutely great in both.

[@ekim0513]

I don't know if you like to read but if you do and you like Lincoln, I really enjoyed the Autobiography by Carl Sandburg.

[@mannyromero4511]

I have never seen it😮

[@twooharmony2000]

2p:00 comment, small steps over decades in a century 2 centuries ago. Still steps to be made.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@twooharmony2000]

12:53 comment 12:57.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@dansdiscourse4957]

Fun fact: one of my college instructors was the many times great niece of Thaddeus Stevens (Tommy Lee Jones). Lincoln is consistently in the top three of presidential rankings, the other two consistently being Washington and FDR. I myself go back and forth on which of those three was the greatest. Amendments have to pass by a two thirds vote of each chamber. In this movie we saw the fight to get the 13th amendment through the House of Representatives. Next it would have to be ratified by three quarters of the states to officially become part of the Constitution.

[@dansdiscourse4957]

I always enjoy discussing history

[@StevePaur-hf4vy]

You are correct that people who lived the lifestyle of owning slaves were suddenly disrupted but too bad. Slavery was more than just free labor for rich plantation owners. It was a horrible institution that involved sexual assault, dehumanizing behavior and humans being treated like livestock. 158 years after slavery in America was abolished we still bear the scars from it with the racism and bigotry exhibited by Americans from all walks of life in every corner of the country.

[@lynnkain]

Racism and bigotry is around the world just not on the United States. Do not fool yourself.

[@StevePaur-hf4vy]

@lynnkain I was commenting in the context of American history as it pertained to her questions of things in the movie. I was not implying that it only existed in America

[@mikealvarez2322]

Dawn, amputations were often a death sentence. Cleanliness in operating rooms left much to be desired. Wounded soldiers often refused to go to aid stations because they feared dying, usually from an infection or disease.

[@film-maniac]

Don't feel too bad. American high schools aren't teaching anything about Robert the Bruce. But, like you, we have movies. Even when not completely factual.

[@iambecomepaul]

I’m always amazed you know ANYTHING about US presidents. I can’t imagine why it would be relevant. I grew up in Springfield, Illinois (Lincoln’s home town) so I was steeped in Lincoln lore… of course. I found it amazing - while in Ireland on business - that a good number of folks there were absolutely conversant in popular US culture, politics, our Constitution, Hollywood … lots of topics. Probably better read than most US citizens. I, however, know virtually nothing of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, etc. England has a king. I know THAT. God help me…

[@twooharmony2000]

32:05 comment,, it's the health--Constitution of a young country. If the young grow, they need to have room for new learning,, ammendment.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@unclebobunclebob]

Actually...Lincoln purportedly had a kind of high voice.

[@michaelstaunton1632]

You should check out a Bruce Willis movie called The Last Boyscout from 1991 sometime 👍👍👍

[@arjaylee]

Forrest Gumps Mama!

[@GregInHouston2]

You can predict the future. Accuracy is the problem.

[@ballsyrocker]

Dawn, If you love Lincoln ,you will adore George Washinton, the Father Of America, even more! Watch George Washington (it might have been a PBS movie on Public Television ,not sure ) the movie and enjoy! I liked it and found out much about the First President of The United States, that I did not know. He was 57 years old when he became the President. That was considered old back then.Peace.

[@dall1786]

As to the question about Thaddeus Stevens and his housekeeper who he was in bed with. He was never publicly seen with his housemaid but there were rumors that she was secretly with him. When he died he left everything he had to her

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Watching Dawn fangirl over Abraham Lincoln is the cutest thing ever.

[@spacemanspiff3052]

Lincoln was just a man, but he was one hell of an extraordinary man. He is definitely on of those people in history you’d love to travel back and time and meet. Love your reaction!

[@MrRondonmon]

Really? Goggle Racist Lincoln quotes. People are so naive.

[@spacemanspiff3052]

@@MrRondonmon Ugh! Historical context is important to consider Lincoln was a man of HIS time, not OUR time. He was a man who despised the institution of slavery when it existed. While he certainly would have left it to continue if it stopped the secession of Southern States, or ended the Civil War in the early years, he is the one who seized the initiative to end slavery by the War’s end. So I wouldn’t be so smug about pointing out that Lincoln still had prejudice attitudes about the equality of black people to whites, when it is clear in both his long held beliefs and actions that the enslavement of black people was immoral and had to end.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

I could spend years writing anecdotes about Lincoln, so I'll restrain myself to just one, in consideration for everybody's sanity. Once Lincoln was riding the train and discussing morality and motivations with a friend. The friend argued that people were capable to be selfless, and Lincoln took the position that people would only do what benefitted them. Somewhere along the argument, Lincoln looked out the window and saw a lamb lying on the rails, about to be run over by their train. Quickly the activated the emergency brakes, and then left the train, lifted the lamb and placed it safely by the rails before returning to his train car. His friend, watching all that, said that Lincoln had just made his point for him, that it was a selfless act. "Not at all", replied Lincoln. "Do you have any idea how awful I'd feel if that lamb died?"

[@odysseusrex5908]

Considering the geometry of the situation, I suspect that story is every bit as fictional as Lincoln's story about Ethan Allen (he never held any diplomatic post or went overseas for any reason) but it is every bit as good of a story.