Reacting to Miss & Mister Supranational 2023 Results

This group chat was conducted via Zoom on Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:00 PM EST. My guests include Noemi Melendez (COO of Miss Grand Cuba) and George of Pageant Empress.
TIMESTAMPS:
2:59 - Noemi enters the chat room
3:15 - George enters the chat room
5:09 - Rafa complements Noemi and George on their youthfulness
Rafa refers to ageist remarks
6:06 - Rafa reads viewers' comments - they all say hello; Brian Javier is moving
6:39 - Noemi gives the details of Miss Grand Cuba 2023 contest on August 20
REACTING TO MISS SUPRANATIONAL 2023:
9:31 - Miss Equatorial Guinea did not qualify; Somalia was a no-show; Albania withdrew due to personal reason
11:16 - Rafa thinks that it's stupid to make videos in your home country and not being able to show up in Poland after all
12:19 - The Opening by continental groups: Africa (pink cocktail dresses; Asia (corset dresses, different colors and styles); Americas (shiny silver and gold); Caribbean (green and gold corset dresses), Europe (gold, champagne, pink and blue); MGI influence in intros.
15:27 - Musical performers - they never invite the original singers
16:28 - Co-hosts Joanne Strauss (Miss South Africa 2001) and Martin Fitch. Who is better?
19:55 - Rafa reads viewers comments; pageants are influencing and imitating each other; Miss World is going to the direction of Miss Supra; Canada eliminated (should she go to MW?)
23:39 - Dance numbers, Miss Supra 2011 from Poland Monica Lewczuk sings Miley Cyrus's "Flowers"; singer Sara; Shontelle
26:43 - Judges - Lalela Mswane, Luis Galvez, Shontelle, Gerhard Parzutka von Lipinski. Why wasn't Andre Sleigh there? He had broken his ankle. Or did he? And didn't Lalela judge the Mister contest?
29:42 - Rafa reads viewers' comments. Other pageants are adopting MW's Beauty With a Purpose. Miss International's updated requirements: skin tone, body proportion. Body positivity. Rafa doesn't want to see a fat winner. If you want to be a beauty queen, be your best version by not being fat. Neither do we want to see anorexic types. MI has a long tradition of crowning women with porcelain skin.
37:38 - National costume pre-taped video. What were the best costumes? USA's sad costume - "A sad Sam". Are costumes still relevant? Because they are a waste of time and resources. Better to record your costume video at home so you don't have to bring it with you. But Rafa can't imagine MGI without costumes.
45:06 - Who's going to MGI in Vietnam in October? All these pageants are bunched up together. MI takes place a day after MGI. Stephen Diaz, the director of MI, hates MGI. This is a bad move, says George. Noemi will try to go to both MGI and MI.
49:52 - Rafa reads viewers' comments. What about having Mister show before the Miss show? George didn't watch Mister (live show) because he was disappointed with the Miss show.
51:50 - Thailand won national costume. Korea won Miss Talent. South Africa won Miss Congeniality. Other awards. ZImbabwe should go to MGI.
52:45 - Reaction videos: How would you react if you won Miss Supra?
54:30 - Did Gerhard pre-select Ecuador as the winner?
55:27 - The first hour was exciting, but it waned down a bit after that due to many commercials and performers. Pageants cannot survive without sponsors and fans.
56:33 - Supra Global fashion show; some of the girls wore tacky and outdated outfits; What happened to Miss Elegance?
58:28 - Miss Universe launch of their beverage today
59:28 Top 24. Togo joined the line-up even when her name was not even mentioned
1:02:10 - Comments on the top 24. Surprises: El Salvador, Curacao who won Caribbean continental queen
1:10:31 - Rafa reads viewers' comments; we should stop putting our favorites as our top picks. Noemi says predictions don't mean anything. Fans blame the judges for picking Ecuador whose English is not as good as Philippines. Noemi defends Ecuador. George defends Philippines. Vietnam making top 5 was shocking; maybe Vietnam placed a bid to host the next pageant.
1:15:35 - George on the speech segment: the timer/gong is unfair to some of the girls. 20 seconds is not enough to give a good answer to a deep question. Rafa says the Misters were given 30 seconds in the Q & A. George says it's not fair that only the women had to do speeches but not the men. Miss is paid more than a Mister.
1:17:46 - Rafa reads viewers' comments. Speaking English has a big advantage. Filipinos will always show preference to FIlipina queens (Rafa says it's same for other nationalities). Why did Ecuador clap after she took off her headphone? Did she hear Philippines' answer?
(CONTINUED IN COMMENT SECTION)

[@CriticalBeautySalon]

1:20:03 - India was not going to win this year because India has already won twice. Netherlands. Gibraltar (mother was a former Miss Gibraltar). Dominican Republic. Vietnam. UK (shortest of the top 5). Brazil (flawless performance, but she looks old. Rafa hated her prelim dress, Noemi liked it). Rafa says girls should always wear their best gowns during the prelims because there is no guarantee that they will advance to the finals. Philippines competed 3 times in MU Philippines. Ecuador (her English has improved) 1:25:43 - Romania's "Dracula" costume 1:27:09 - Ecuador spoke from the heart; her answer didn't seem memorized. Philippines had the best delivery, but sounded serious. George defends Philippines; he thinks Ecuador sounded like a high school girl. If Supra is focused on presentation, then communication schools shouldn't be that important. George thinks the Aspirational/Inspirational slogan is hypocritical. 1:30:50 - Rafa reads viewers' comments 1:34:03 - Icon Award presented to Srinidhi Shetty, Miss Supranational 2016 1:35:20 - Anntonia Porsild (Miss Supra 2019) is now competing in MU Thailand 2023; George thinks she's going to win. Rafa thinks if she wins, Supra will cut her off from the Supra family and her name will be erased in Supra history book. Will Khun Anne crown a foreign-born half-Thai girl? George explains. Rafa prefers Veena Singh; but is Thailand ready to crown a married woman? Same with Miss South Africa. MU Brazil didn't crown the popular married contestant from Goias. 1:40:18 - A viewer criticizes George for being emotional and pouty. Rafa tells viewers not to be afraid to write their honest comments, but don't insult the guests. Jasmin Selberg competed in Supra, but Supra still ackowledged and congratulated her when she won MI 2022. Noemi says Supra wants to preserve their brand by coming up with a new contract for future winners disallowing them to compete in other pageants for five years. Noemi says MU will raise their age limit eventually. George approves of raising the age limit to 32. Rafa argues about the big age difference between 18 and 32 (life experience, maturity level). 1:47:05 - Viewer thinks that George looks like Ivan Gunawan, the director of Miss Grand Indonesia. Is he straight or gay? 1:48:30 - Viewer disagrees with MUO's policy of accepting married women. Rafa agrees and there's a reason why there are different categories. Noemi refers to MGI CEO Nawat's recent statement that he will not accept transwomen, married women, etc. Noemi says that people need to respect other people's rules. Rafa admires Nawat because he has no filter like him. Rafa says that the word transphobic is being thrown in constantly sometimes without a good reason. George disagrees but says that we should not be slamming those that disagree. 1:53:30 - India won Continental Queen of Asia last year as well 1:54:08 - Former Miss Supranational 2015 Stephanie Stegman was supposed to represent Paraguay in MU a few years back but could not because her director wanted her to pay the franchise herself. There was no fuss from Supra. 1:55:15 - Ecuador's answer was more authentic. If you could attend only one pageant (if they all happened on the same weekend), where would you go? 1:57:58 - Lees Garcia is now the director of Miss Grand Cuba. Noemi says the pageant will be shown live on Grand TV. Noemi reveals that Luis Portelles (Mister Supranational Canada) will host the pageant. 2:00:22 - How do you definite authenticity? Philippines vs. Ecuador. George says Philippines should have been crowned because the country is a big pageant country and she is more lucrative and marketable. 2:03:12 - Noemi explains why Cuba does not allow pageants and this is why MG Cuba is held in the U.S. (huge Cuban community in Florida) 2:04:43 - Rafa's age range would be 18-26. Rafa jokes that he will sponsor George if he joins a male pageant. George wants to compete in Mister Grand International (there are two versions, Filipino and Brazilian). Rafa says he will be a strict director lol 2:06:55 - Basic English is all you need to communicate 2:07:50 - Viewer says Nadia Ferreira can now compete again as a married woman; Noemi says Nadia is happy and rich right now 2:08:43 - Viewers asks why Ko Phanasa no longer joins the chats; she stopped supporting MGI because she doesn't agree with anti-transwoman policy 2:09:45 - Ecuador is not an imbecile 2:10:41 - Lalela Mswane's pre-taped video of her farewell speech; then walks on the stage wearing black 2:12:13 - Lalela's facial expression towards Vietnam 2:13:10 - Henrique Fontes of Global Beauties is also the director of Miss Supranational Brazil. Rafa dispels the notion that GB is biased. George states that even Henrique does not vote for GB's preferences. We can't vote for our own countries. The other pageant pages tend to vote for their own countries; many of these pages are run by keyboard fans. 2:17:49 - Viewer watches for the first time and enjoys the chat 2:18:39 - The show was too long, but the longer the show, the more views it will get 2:19:23 - Will they take the pageant out of Poland? 2:22:00 - George likes that the outgoing titleholder of MGI gets to perform on stage with the contestants 2:22:23 - What national pageant are you excited for? Rafa likes Natasha Joubert for Miss South Africa. Natasha doesn't have to compete internationally. 2:24:45 - Miss South Africa lost the Miss World license 2:25:25 - REACTING TO MISTER SUPRANATIONAL 2023 2:25:28 - Opening - guys dancing to vintage rock music (Jailhouse Rock) 2:26:07 Co-hosts Joanne Strauss and Martin Fitch 2:26:27 - Judges include Miss Supranational 2023; Rafa questions if it's a good idea for the new queen to judge. Noemi says she's just a decoration 2:27:25 - Presentation of contestants wearing their flags 2:27:52 - Video on True Masculinity - none of the guys mention about being emotional or crying 2:29:13 - Viewers comments. Rafa got 19/24 in Miss, and 15/20 in Mister. George did better in Mister. 2:29:58 - We didn't like the shorts; Noemi shows off her rescue dogTina. Rafa says do not shop, but adopt dogs. 2:31:22 - Rafa reads a nasty comment from a viewer named Jeff; Rafa says the more people comment, the better for the algorithms. George agrees because it helps the channel grow. 2:32:58 - What happened to Andre Sleigh? Did the Filipinos beat him? 2:33:12 - Mister Supranational is the best male pageant 2:34:09 - Rafa asks why they can't have a Miss and Mister World at the same time like Supra. When is the next Mr. World? (CONTINUATION BELOW)

[@rylandprescott6444]

Pageant Empress is on point with his commentary, his fresh perspective is refreshing to hear. Thank you for supporting Pauline, she is the rightful winner.

[@bongski3320]

Pageant empress is briliant.. more critical

[@isabella80808]

*Okay loved listening to George of Pageant Empress (is it?).... He is very atune to reality rather than others who are superficially authentic wannabe. The Filipino guy gay here is annoyingly trying to topple down Pauline, Miss Philippines, his own race mind you. We were impressed how calm, collected, coherently outspoken George is. And his civilized, cheerfully annoyed expression but composed (can't quite find the adjective just fun to watch him:) while the Fil guy was ranting away omg! Will visit his page soon. Kudos, George! Noemi - could tell she's bff with Ecuador, go figure. Sorry that's just an honest to goodness impression.*

[@brambleberry8656]

Totally Agree! That's what I've observed and he seems like to avoid discussing Philippine representative more in a positive note..George on the other hand is just and fair. Lol when he was asked if who among the 3 will mostly followed by paparazzi and George answered, Rafa was like bogsh!!!

[@dennisicayan4218]

Thank you George I really admire your analysis for explaining Pauline strong character

[@isabella80808]

*2:01:19** BRAVO GEORGE! Thank you for supporting Pauline Amelinckx, Miss Philippines! Evidently, Pauline is the righteous and rightful winner.*

[@isabella80808]

@@yanishbanaki7439 *I couldn't agree more! I am not biased, I am not being bitter, I am actually half latin (my father), BUT Pauline Amelinckx (drop the name of countries here for a moment), Pauline is the TRUE WINNER! Wonder what the owner and judges are now thinking though, I mean really. What George had said here is pure brilliance! George is very objective and keen and should make be an outstanding pageant judge! Thank you.*

[@user-jc6tj2xt1p]

I remember Pageant Empress' first appearance on your live, he barely talked! Glad to see him so comfortable now.

[@michaelflorendo7865]

philippines is robbed

[@monikabrava8183]

By the way, Nawat officially announced that Andra Aguilera of Ecuador was dethroned after winning miss supranational.

[@Jprager]

She’d already announced it way back when she ran for Miss Supra Ecuador, 🤷‍♂️

[@civengrrcc]

What makes a good ambassador, philippines said she has to be dedicated, uk said she has to be relatable, brazil said she has to be personable, ecuador said she has to be a traveller and be a doctor. It depends on how they expanded their answers. Does ecuador’s answers make sense? Being eloquent no stutters and no pauses makes u less authentic?

[@civengrrcc]

Most of the time Rafa’s views are what the… at some point he is on point tho. He views things based on just what he wants. George in my view sees things with much thoughts and is very objective. His reviews are good. Noemi has not talked much so i cant really tell what are her thoughts. George will have many addl followers after this. Rafa talks quite sarcastically n pretty much noisy to the ears.

[@summersunday6675]

I beg to disagree with Noemi, the question was “what makes a good ambassador for this organization” Pauline answer was straight to the point course to be a good ambassador you must be dedicated to the organization and help hand and hand with the winner and the organization, Pauline answered it correctly while Ecuador was more on herself only. Noemi doesn’t need to justify the far out answer of Ecuador and also drag Pauline’s answer that doesn’t answer the question when in fact her answer was also the slogan of the organization.

[@Jprager]

For me Pauline always comes off nervous and goes off topic, that’s what cost her Miss Universe Ph this year, she always goes for the more formal by the book answer 🤷‍♂️

[@summersunday6675]

@@Jpragerthat’s why we study and go to school to learn and if answering questions using formally with deep words or by the book doesn’t make you unauthentic but more intelligent, during her MUPH Q&A MMD gave a more specific answer than her bur it doesn’t mean she is off topic, she is not dumb and in Miss Supra all of the were nervous but she managed to give a direct and specific answer in accordance to her views and the organization’s main views as well.

[@CriticalBeautySalon]

2:35:11 - Noemi leaves for a minutes to take out her dog. Rafa and George criticizes the ugly shorts worn by the guys during swimwear. The guys should be flaunting off their bodies after working hard at the gym. Baggy shorts are not sexy. Venezuela did not make the top 20 even though he was muscular. Noemi thinks his face is "too operated." Noemi loves the Netherlands. Rafa says that Noemi is available and he tells Lucas Derin (Netherlands) to take out Noemi for a date. lol. Rafa tells Andre to have the guys wear Speedos. Rafa suggests jock straps. Viewer Brian says Supra does not sexualize the contestants. Rafa disagrees. What happened to the Mr. Best Physique award? 2:42:00 - More praises for Mr. Netherlands 2:42:36 - Video on Style Transformation 2:43:15 Joanne interviews Malaysia and Italy about haircare; George loves Malaysia 2:44:30 - Video: Who do you love the most? All the guys wearing white tops and pants during the shoot 2:45:00 - White outfit challenge/barefoot. George doesn't like men walking barefoot. Noemi says that she is grossed out by people walking barefoot inside Thai temples. 2:47:00 - Rafa says he hasn't been to Thailand; George says he will take Rafa to gay-friendly places 2:48:12 - Another praise for Netherlands who is Turkish/Italian. 2:48:50 - What is our expectation for MU 2023 show? George reminds us that the launch of MU beverage is later today. 2:49:35 - Rafa wants to see Khun Anne dancing with the Salvadoran president on stage 2:50:54 - Ecuador's talent - dancing in his tight red outfit. Rafa says he has one of the best bodies. George says Ecuador has a great personality. Rafa wants to see male strippers or pole dancers; he thinks this contest should be sexualized because it attracts more viewers. 2:53:00 - More ideas to make the next MU show more entertaining 2:54:10 - Rafa's top 24. Noemi asks why Rafa included Cuba (because he's cute!), Nepal, India, Peru. 2:56:24 - Slovakia 2:57:04 - Jockstraps and wings (maybe for Mr. Gay World) 2:57:30 - Is Luis Galvez gay? 2:57:54 - Shocker - Trinidad and Tobago 2:58:18 - Cameroon (Rafa's friend Vanessa sent the contestant but he didn't tell her that the contestant was not on his list). Ecuador or Mexico should have been in top 5 instead. 3:00:47 - Luis Portelles of Canada 3:02:14 - USA 3:02:54 - VIewers' comments. Brian asks how many gay guys competed? 3:04:30 - Poland, South Africa 3:05:56 - Philippines, Panama 3:06:57 - Italy; Rafa says last year's Mr. Italy sent him a message saying that this year's Italy is too photoshopped 3:08:21 Indonesia, France 3:10:07 - Thailand 3:12:00 - Rafa said that it would have been nice to see Mr. Ecuador win so we could have both Mister and Miss from the same country 3:12;18 - Czech Republic, George doesn't like Poland's attitude 3:13:09 - Korea (George's ideal type) 3:13:45 - The Limbo performance where the guys are wearing Hawaiian t-shirts and shorts and doing the limbo with female dancers 3:14:33 - Netherlands 3:15:26 - Viewer: Which countries that were not represented this year would you like to see next year? Lebanon, Japan, Macao, China, Vietnam, Singapore, Serbia, Turkey. 3:16:56 - Brazil, Spain. The interpreter for Spain jumped on stage (Kike Sanchez from Peru) instead of the official woman interpreter who was supposed to translate. (Side note: Henrique Fontes translated for Miss Brazil). 3:20:10 - Show Your Walk video. Video for Ecuador shows a different guy named Sebastian Mora whose looks are the opposite of Bruno Barbieri. Bruno replaced Sebastian as Ecuador's rep. George says I can't use the word fat. Lol. Rafa asks why they had to show the videos of these guys who didn't show up. 3:22:05 - Video - What Is Your Biggest Goal In Life? 3:22:42 - Top 10 Formal Wear while man and woman sing on a platform that is revolving. Ecuador stood out as he was wearing a shiny jacket with floral pattern. 3:23:41 - Andrea Aguilera delivers the envelope containing the top 5 3:24:11 - Top 5 Q & A. Rafa doesn't think it's fair that the guys were given 40 seconds compared to 20 seconds for women Spain needed an interpreter. A woman in blue got up to do the translation, but a man in a suit jumped on stage and did a choppy translation (he didn't even know the Spanish word for "advice") Who gave the best answer? 3:25:58 - Brazil could be on the cover of GQ and fitness magazines 3:26:26 - Rafa never liked Spain 3:27:52 - Viewer: In pageantry, men are pathetic in Q & A 3:28:40 - Rating the show 3:29:43 - Rafa thinks Andrea Aguilera picked Spain because she has the hots for him 3:30:24 - Viewers comments; Spain is the first European country to win Mister 3:31:18 - Winner - Spain receives $10,000 (compared to $40,000 received by Miss) 3:31:50 - Wrap-up, George does the money/love gesture, Good-byes

[@user-jc6tj2xt1p]

Hope you'll pin this. Tnx

[@monikabrava8183]

i thought the sponsors back out from hosting MGI in Vietnam?

[@monikabrava8183]

oldies but sensible. LISTEN GENZ!

[@monikabrava8183]

The slogan of Miss International is to "correct understanding of Japan in the international community" and "the realization of world peace through mutual understanding". It has also recently adapted the slogan "Cheer All Women".

[@sheesh...1038]

kaya natuturn off mga neighbor countries naten saten dahil sa kabiterran nyu. if qna lang pagbabasehan eh si uk sana panalo, kalahati lang ng sagot ni pauline yung sagot sa tanong, yung kalahati filler pageant patty answer - this is such a wonderful journey, bringinging nations together eme.

[@mr.__scissors]

1:53:38 that is correct

[@bonjoporras2853]

Travel the whole world is authentic😅

[@asaleem92]

As always loved this chat (and at least I can comment here unlike your IG account 😅😂). One consideration when pageant fans discuss final question is that judges are told to consider the entire overall performance of the girls and not just one moment in Q&A which is why the best answer doesnt always win. It's the logic that got Andrea Meza crowned as Miss Universe.

[@PungiFungi]

Miss Philippines deserves to win not because of her performance but because her huge fanbase means good business. Ok.

[@raybalicha8212]

More power George! We always watch your vlogs and predictions. The same to Critical Beauty! ❤

[@dandferzeplo5450]

Judges knew who candidate beats on numerous categories. Ecuador for Q & A is more relatable and genuine wanting to use her platforms with her spirit to shed light on issue of singlemoms fighting unemployment . . . Pau answer is too diplomatic, too pageantry.

[@thelmaponteras8986]

Phils

[@monikabrava8183]

andre sleigh lost his mom. you are so mean mister rafa

[@anisha8461]

They have given only 16 seconds to india......

[@winacalendacion4213]

Just because a contestant speaks eloquently while being grammatically correct, does not make him or her less authentic You can see a person’s authenticity through her everyday actions. Hasn’t Pauline proven enough how dedicated she is through her pageant journey….. I mean what else does she need to do to prove her dedication????

[@monikabrava8183]

Sorry But I still don't see the winning vibe on Philippines

[@jamiewhitton9643]

Nice to see different opinions among different age groups. It's clear young fans like Pageant Empress is more open minded and his approach is more direct and honest. Bring him back for more of this group chat.

[@harnaazsandhufanclub2118]

Thank you Pageant Empress for saying India deserve to be in Top 5.

[@jasminehakeem6153]

One of the best live stream by critical beauty salon. All of the guests had their own point of view and express it openly and professionally.

[@jefersonbanggawan2379]

Please allow me again to download it

[@summersunday6675]

If we talk about authenticity Vietman is more authentic that Ecuador, what are you guys talking about, it doesn’t mean that Pauline’s answer was sa perfect she is not authentic, you can’t make that an excuse determine who’s authentic or not, so you guys saying answering in a dumb’s way make’s you authentic? Next year Miss Supra org should remove the headphones and just ask some casual questions since final Q&A have is useless in choosing the winner I think Herlene Budol can win MIss Supra 2024 because they have same level of Ecuador. 😂😂😂😂