Reacting to the 70 Star TAS (ft. MKDasher)

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[@mkdasher]

Had so much fun watching and commentating this with cheese! Really nice to share both TAS and RTA perspectives into a run :D

[@Michael18751]

Your awesome man!

[@Michael18751]

He actually contacted you irl because you live so close! So cool!

[@Michael18751]

You should add Kaze to your "COOL CHANNELS YOU SHOULD WATCH" section on your channel ;)

[@FLX_AU]

Fingers reveal?

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

You guys actually did a collab lol. Btw your Spanish accent is really hard(which makes sense since you probably are... and I've heard worse). It just makes me sad you aren't actually speaking Spanish as it would make it easier for me to understand :'(

[@jongyon7192p]

Absolute legendary SM64 stream. Top RTAer & Top TASer in the same room.

[@DwainiumB]

All these years we didn't know what you looked like Dasher, GG

[@tylerantony7399]

Why is my name on your shirt?

[@cheesespeedrunningyt]

i love you that much

[@mitchelle5310]

Lmao

[@emmbeesea]

(Immediately builds up speed) Of course that's TAS only.

[@Benjamslikestrains]

@Manama omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! manama and siivagunner commenter guy in the same comment section?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!!!?!??!!??!?!?

[@fifdspence]

Such an awesome stream! I learned a ton about TAS history in this run from MKDasher that I never knew before, and I loved seeing cheese's reactions to all of the wild strats that the old-school legends came up with and hearing about how they compares to the RTA strats.

[@GrahamSiggins]

Has anybody calculated for these runs (TAS and human WRs) what percentage of the total time is spent in the star acquiring cutscene? Feels like 30% of this run is spent in cutscenes lmao

[@matthew_wheelermusic]

When you see a video uploaded 10 seconds ago...

[@bettergames6259]

I find it hard to believe that Cheese has never seen this run.... It is from 2012 and it is blj-less so actually kinda relevant to normal speedrunning...

[@123muchin]

I need a Nintendo 64 back in my life! Tried downloading an emulator, but without the right controller, it suuuuuucks!

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

15:52 is that faster or the blj?

[@MegaQwertification]

BLJ is banned in 70 star

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

@@MegaQwertification yeah I know, I still was curious which one was faster since its not obvious to me as the 120 star tas is from 2012 it might be outdated

[@cheesespeedrunningyt]

@@Kevin-wx7wu once u see tas doing a blj strat, probably means that it's faster haha.

[@Lassviigne]

@@cheesespeedrunningyt Believe it or not the BLJ is actuallt only 2 frames faster than this lmao

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

@@cheesespeedrunningyt a good rule to follow, I have to agree lol.

[@bossboy191919]

That was SO COOL! Glad you two guys met and did a stream together!

[@GioMendoza100]

TAS = Time Achieved by Simpleflips :)

[@vansskater1]

These guys watching a TAS is the equivalent of Nintendo watching normal people like cheese do a speedrun.

[@NovaTheDark]

MKDasher is a TASer, so what would be the equivalent for him? Watching God speedrun the game?

[@Martykun36]

ooh MKDasher with that thick Spanish accent I love it

[@katepuddings2]

MKDS players are freakin out rn, the legend in person

[@Rezeee]

Uh cheese someone broke into your house.

[@simbacaned]

Can anyone tell me where I can find the new TAS for cannonless? I have never seen it and can't find it on youtube.

[@scorpion2.411]

Dónde vive Gsus? También es de España pero ni idea de donde vivirá

[@mkdasher]

es de México

[@_Arout]

Really cheese? :( In germany its 2:30 am and i need to go to bed and you upload a 44 minute video... :C

[@RetroDarioGaming]

lol another german nice

[@bossboy191919]

Schätze, es wurde eine lange Nacht XD

[@RetroDarioGaming]

@@bossboy191919 lmao

[@supercunthunt7756]

@@bossboy191919 neeeeeee :D

[@mcmangoofficial5336]

I tried 70 star for the first time today! I shit and cried and I hated it. I have exams to worry about too.

[@HavoCentral]

I think that the runs have gone so far that some of the simpler tas strats will need to be implemented in the future to have a chance

[@felixcnminus]

Mario kart ds speedrun reaction when?

[@juicebox6398]

this was my birthday, this was also the day kobe died. rip mamba

[@paulolson7015]

17:00 literally hot footing it tho

[@SnapChaconne]

Great stream! You guys should do more content together

[@scudsturm1]

is mk dutch?

[@smoceany9478]

this was to easy, give me a harder game. how can you be so suprised

[@babuchay07]

The legend itself

[@dcscgamer-tutorialesyjuego2986]

17:35 CHEATING

[@SomeoneSomewhere42069]

35:00 Tool Assisted Superplay* but it SHOULD be speedrun, in the same way that, RTA should mean Reallynot Tool Assisted

[@robfortune6]

It can mean both, generally it means "Tool Assisted Speedrun" when the point is to get the fastest time possible in the said category.

[@sxlxntt2880]

You HAVE to react to 1 key tas

[@stEv3900]

He explained it in GDQ so...

[@hugh2hoob668]

That cheese is starting to looking Shredded lol Hes been at the gym lol

[@Michael18751]

I waited for this. LETS GO!

[@RetroDarioGaming]

lol hi

[@wiithicc675]

second comment and view Cheese, babe, you’re a goddamn legend keep it up

[@Illuym]

The tas is only 4 mins faster then the rta wr... wtf...

[@et34t34fdf]

I dont understand, if this is TAS, why does he walk through doors instead of just BLJ everywhere?

[@NovaTheDark]

Rules of 70 stars bans BLJ, and they decided to do it following the rules. ( Fun fact : there is a 1 star BLJless TAS, if someone could reproduce it RTA it would be accepted in the 70 stars category on speedrun.com )

[@_Arout]

@@NovaTheDark Thats not even false! Pannenkoek also discovered a trick where you can do a 16 star run with 0 and 1 star. Sadly its way to hard for RTA.

[@bitdw-]

@@NovaTheDark But don't the rules say you can't bypass any star door requirements?

[@NovaTheDark]

@@bitdw- no, you can go check if you want

[@bitdw-]

@@NovaTheDark I did. What's the first line in the rules mean then?

[@leeroylopez2231]

Did you know that the Area 51 version of sm64 has luigi?

[@bossboy191919]

How's it called?

[@oxstr8upgreekxo730]

So obviously there are huge differences but I've never like watched someone TAS a game. I guess my question is what does it take to TAS the game that's different than speed running it? Other than TASing is playing the game frame by frame.

[@AJR-zg2py]

Speedrunning the game is entirely real-time reactions and live human input. TASing involves pausing, slowing-down, rewinding, and re-trying strats in an emulator. TASes are more for entertainment purposes but there is also merit in analyzing the theoretical "perfect" strat and seeing if a human can pull it off.

[@shipey188]

The hard part about TASing is figuring out the fastest way to do something, not actually doing it

[@makunas6251]

18:26 someone explain pls?!

[@dardevVI]

Mario just bounce on the lava during the slide kick, you can try

[@stEv3900]

The first bounce of a slide kick prevents you from lava damage.

[@Fguhgfc]

How

[@EndermanLegendario]

Es que lo sabia que era español

[@TomFewchuk]

Why are blj's banned in 70?

[@NovaTheDark]

Because thats how the category is defined. Thé rules of 70 never mention actually collecting 70 stars, the rules are only "beat the game as fast as possible, no BLJ" therefore forcing you to do it in 70 stars

[@NovaTheDark]

@@galoomba5559 yeah, there is a 1 star BLJless TAS which uses HSWK, if someone can reproduce it RTA, it would completely respect the 70 stars rules and therefore become the new 70 stars World record

[@maritoguionyo]

Cerrar la puerta

[@Just_some_Ape]

Grandes

[@scg4327]

i subbed

[@axllignay3690]

Muy buena speedrun jeje

[@easyaspi31415]

Glitchy Wall Kicks: The TAS

[@1122markj]

When was the TAS made?

[@dresrosa2100]

It is me or some input are from the 120 stars tas

[@mkdasher]

more like the opposite. Some 120 star tas inputs are from this TAS, since it was done before.

[@fleshrotten5881]

Wow look the power of TAS

[@Uptheroyals80]

34:53:12

[@harriehausenman8623]

engagement

[@nenissaK]

n-th comment

[@26dollar]

wtf is RTA real time apply-er???

[@NovaTheDark]

Real Time attack

[@heyitsgman6858]

Pretty much a way of saying that a person did it in a real time unsegmented run. When something is not rta viable, it means that a person physically can’t do it in a run and only a tas can

[@MJVanD]

@@heyitsgman6858 it's not that a person couldn't physically do it, it's that the risk vs reward makes it unviable. RTA viable and TAS only are different

[@stavrosskoufis3008]

What is a glitchy wall kick and how do they work?

[@_Arout]

If Mario runs into a corner with 2 walls, he can run against one wall and the second one just blocks him. The glitch has to do with quartersteps. If you jump on one wall and in one of your 4 quartersteps mario enters one of these corners so he can run against a wall, he does a wallkick on the first wall which is not infront, but next to him so he wallkicks in the direction he's facing. Its really hard to explain but if you know how to do them its easy.

[@TheAbsol7448]

It's black magic.

[@byronanderson3969]

Wait a second... no WAY cheese thought RNG was fixed when you enter the stage before this... right? Like, even after only practicing Super Mario 64 for one session it was obvious that was the case, although more comparable would be how long it took me to figure that out in Super Metroid since it works similarly so I was already used to that concept, but I still feel like that only took me loading the same room a few times to figure out. Isolating tricks down into their component parts is the fastest way to learn speedrunning tricks, so I guess I like to speedrun speedrunning as well, so if you only ever practice long segments at a time then I can see how this concept could be foreign, but there's no way anyone ever starts practicing so inefficiently, right? That's more of a "okay I've mastered all the individual tricks, now I just need to piece everything together" way of practicing for when you do events and such. I'm just so confused. To me Mario 64 has always seemed like the absolute highest level of speedrunning since for me personally there's just nothing that seems as precise and ridiculous. So I guess I just assumed any top-tier speedrunner would have at LEAST as much knowledge about how everything worked in Mario 64 as say a top Super Metroid runner would have. But I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the top 100 of SM on SNES that didn't know the fuck out of this already. Like I'm pretty literally zero people in the top 100 are unaware. Is there some like better ignorant-of-how-the-game-works way of speedrunning that I'm not aware of or something? Because I'm still pretty sure Mario 64 is still ridiculously impossible to get great times on yet I just can't reconcile how both of these aspects can be true simultaneously.

[@doomyablackheart1406]

This run so far looks possible like compared to the 120 star that was hella extra for no resion

[@ElTanques]

I have an old version of supermario64 ever since I was a kid.

[@sklitterbeer106]

i ship it soo harddd pls date im begging u