Reacting To "Top 15 Age of Empires 2 players over time 2000-2024"

[@icarian553]

IamJordan and Jordan_23 are different players. IamJordan was, I think, from Taiwan or something. Different to the German Jordan most of us know.

[@bubuluwithagoldendudul9709]

True

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Wow i had no idea! Great correction thank you

[@AR-md2tz]

Correct, IamJordan was from Taiwan.

[@ahhhttoooddgg9711]

Oh dang! I always thought they were the same player!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@faultier3215]

Im not 100% sure, but it might be the case with F1re aswell? dont know

[@huetyuio6409]

16:15 It’s like chess ELO. I think it’s hard to understand for video game players. But chess ELO represents “probability to win”. Doesn’t matter C tier or S tier tournament , doesn’t matter if you win a best of 3, the way ELO are computed are the same. Because ELO are not “points”. Basically Chess ELO algorithm is made a way that a 100 point difference between player A and player B means A win 3 times out of 4 against B.

[@naveendennis]

Also ELO system in general is adopted from chess by aoe2. So aoe2 ELO/ELO is the chess ELO system

[@sjoerdinho]

Nice for you to support other members of the community :) He got my subscription too.

[@AR-md2tz]

The fire at 3:12 is pG_fire_. F1Re pops up later with his "correct" spelling.

[@justinshankle]

I started playing back in 2001 to when the zone closed. I remember Koven, Halen, Chris, Grunt, Capoch, daut. Recorded games of these guys were rare to come by so it was hard to learn their strats and this helped them stay on top. The lag back then was also incredibly bad as everyone's internet sucked, so micro was completely different. So much nostalgia seeing these names again. Miss the good ole days of being a kid and being able to play aoc all day and night 😂

[@jb8275]

Why no koven in this list ? He was no1

[@justinshankle]

Koven was first guy I listed...

[@Dawoud_Shirin]

I came in around the 2018 scene so it's been so cool to watch the progression of Hera, Lierrey, TaToh, Viper and Yo... lot of really talented players and some banger tournaments

[@SunIsAlive]

They probably should've put flags next to names. IamJordan is a Taiwanese player from WCG era who played both AoM & AoE2 competitively and not Jordan23.

[@boz_aoe]

Can confirm this is correct

[@Pityuerez]

Yeah! great vid. for sure, congrats to him and big thx to make it! Also the final strats are also very interesting imo: Days as no.1.: 1. TheViper 3036; 2.Chris 2264; 3.DauT 1360; 4.Hera 825+(only needs 7+ years to catch up :) :D) Days in the Top15: 1. DauT 7871 basicly Viper needs ~9 years to cach up, the others needs 10+ if my quick math is correct!? Thats just an other insane Stat, right?

[@ClubEditing]

Crazy how you can see in real time how Vipers injury and recovery sent him from consistent top 1-2 down to being outside of the top 5 for a brief period

[@jetsebrienen1976]

Who is that Hera guy in this list?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Very fast player with low IQ, wont last very long

[@MrDjdanieljose]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 lmao

[@Wassim-wr8jq]

It's cute how hera said viper is the goat and daut is number 2, it won't be long until everyone puts you at one undoubtedly:3

[@hansoskar1911]

2:05 I think Liereyy is born around here ^^ The period where Daut falls down is when he has a hand injury and plays a lot poker and smokes a lot of shisha etc.

[@nyvisalays2475]

I really enjoy the time you put into highlighting other content creators in the scene. Keep up the good work!

[@MichaelJia-s6u]

DauT has to be the most long-lived AoE2 player of all time

[@isaacarismendi1829]

Hera, I'd love to know if you can make a video or series on old gameplay vs new gameplay, just to showcase how both the meta and game knowledge has improved since the early 2000s

[@hootgibson4004]

daut has a vid up playing an old strat and talking a bit about the difference, Fun to watch

[@justinshankle]

@@isaacarismendi1829 this would be interesting, but there are game play mechanic changes since then and lag used to be really bad back in the day which meant a lot of modern strats would be harder to pull off. I remember clicking to tell units to change direction and they might walk across two tiles before they responded 😂. Huns were king on Arabia for the longest time and was the only civ you really saw played. Walling wasn't very popular, it was all about constant aggression with skirms and pikes, or scouts in fuedal. Then knight or calv archer in castle.

[@isaacarismendi1829]

@@justinshankle I wasn't thinking on using old mechanics in today's AoE2, just old footage from pros or tournaments to compare them with newer mechanics and play styles

[@manix429]

So fascinating looking at the history of this games competitive scene, thanks for the insight!

[@simonleroy9576]

My take on the fact that each individual game is factored into the ELO and not just the match win : if you win a tight 5-4 final, or absolutely steamroll the opposition 5-0, I think it is meaningful as "how much above the rest you really are", despite the overall wins. Same if you struggle more than your elo "expected" you to, and you lose points despite winning by tighter margins. I think it portrays well whether you are truly dominant, or if your competition is close behind you.

[@bastian1546]

Thanks for commenting the video. I watched it but every player who's not playing since 2020/21 is unknown for me. So it is really interesting to hear about those former (pro) players.

[@TheOhioNews]

Haha I knew it would only be a matter of time until you reacted to this! Saw it on my home page- and it was a great video.

[@teddyhaines6613]

To complicate this video's narrative even further, I'm pretty sure the player Dreams from early on isn't the Finnish guy you're familiar with, but a Dutch player who spelled Dreams without the M being composed of two I's and a V.

[@sakshamkumawat4189]

DAUT and viper in the same team Lord passing the baton to vipi then vipi and Hera in same team now vipi passing the baton to Hera so i think vinchester or sebastian are gonna be next in GL after a couple of years of Hera"s dominance

[@rosschristofferson6084]

I think it should start with Maimen Mattie (sp?) On the list. He was the best when everyone was just making it up on the fly - pure innovation.

[@gabriepte]

IamJordan is not the same player as JorDan. The first was a player from Taiwan who competed beetwen August 2000 and April 2003 as indicated in the AoE Tournament ELO website. The second is the JorDan we all know, the brightest smile in the game. Moreover, fire and F1re also are not the same player either. F1re is the brazilian player, former member of the clan Tyrant, and fire was a german player who competed beetwen May 2001 and November 2002 as indicated in the AoE Tournament ELO website. Greetings.

[@saladink9987]

I played aoe2 for the first time during COVID. it’s crazy how much the game has grown in such a short time

[@nitesh1431]

No one talking about Ruso. He was an amazing innovative player. Hera has no idea how much potential Ruso had back in his time.

[@CJ-111]

I think Viper is the current GOAT. Lord DauT very close behind. Hera next in line

[@philippeporto5893]

Very interesting statistics and comments! Gives newer players and fans a bit of perspective

[@CraigHack1985]

Great video and very nice of you to support others in the community! Big like and he got my subscription to..

[@gabycaballito]

the leyend of chris OMG

[@flyingsteaks]

6:29 "Ruso... I don't think he was that a big of a name" oh Hera..!!

[@lordmetzgermeister]

I think it's fair that the tournament elo system is calculated by the matchup. Hera winning vs. Barles 3:2 is still a decent result for Barles because he took 2 games from Hera. But yeah it should take into account the tournament tiers, especially if it also counts showmatches and such.

[@matthewb2365]

Hera is the clear GoaT based on biggest gap between #1 and #2, but Viper is still the GoaT in terms of sheer dominance over a long stretch. Can't wait to check back in 2030 to see if Hera takes that crown :) (Hera is my personal favorite and I always root for him in tourneys.)

[@stryker5573]

Jordan, Daut, & Nicov all top 12 players today, 20+ years after they started. As a dude Daut's age, that is just so cool.

[@roastghost901]

Maybe a hot take but I feel like Viper is the Bobby Fisher of AoE2 and Hera is the Magnus Carlsen. Both GOAT's in their own right, but Hera is proving to be more methodical. Viper f**ks around and has fun a lot and it hurts his tourney consistency.

[@jaivl1106]

Dude, you had Kasparov right there for Viper

[@SoMe_YT]

Tell me you're new to the scene without telling me you're new to the scene

[@kristianburys160]

The ELO loss even if you win just happened in the Chess world Championship match, Gukesh won the match and is the new world champion but actually lost 7 elo points in the match 11

[@daddysmurf2266]

the chat siesta came out of nowhere with one sick timeline

[@agustinrafaelle5396]

16:15 so basiclly it is an elo that shows how dominant the player was. I think it is pretty good.

[@h3m75]

5:18 bro i joined this world while daut and chris were competing lmao

[@tremors562]

Hey Hera I'm hoping you might consider dropping a video on your thoughts about rams. I played Aoe2 for years growing up and just recently got back into it (so I could whoop my brother 😂) and a tactic I enjoy, and have had some pretty good success with is immediately in castle age, building a few rams and filling them with infantry with arson (halbs if they're a cav civ especially) and just yoloing them accompanied usually with some cheap light cav or skirmishers straight for the centre of their settlement and then either 1) dropping the infantry out if cav attack me or 2) I drop a heap of infantry in the centre of his settlement and force him to either take my rams or my infantry. Either way I usually get a fair bit of bang for my buck. Not a war winning strategy but definitely throws my opponent off whilst I'm either securing the map or building trebs or eco boosting etc. Is this a strategy that you would consider useful at top tier or not? Sorry if you've already answered this question before 😅

[@specificgod]

BROOOOO You like, glossed over the most important part of the video - the tally of how many days who were top 15

[@Awdiswe]

Yeah. Where we can compare the amount of days DauT have been top15 vs days that Liereyy have been alive 😊

[@sloppsmcfloppy]

I have to rewatch this video now because you’re watching it lol

[@javierramos185]

Capoch volvió para enfrentarse a los nuevos monstruos del age

[@CJ-111]

There's a good one about the best age of empires player ever. I can't remember the exact video, but it's great too

[@captnmaico6776]

Grunt basically dominated Aoe3 till 2009, then he had a brief return and after that military service and never returned, thats why he dropped out so drastically in 2006, because Aoe3 was released in late 2005. Played against him couple of times in Aoe3, he was a insane with Portoguese, when nearly everyone played natives. Also not saving games and non recording was very common back then, to avoid leakage of strategys. i Remember playing againast a guy called meisterstrage21(i think), dude was basically aoe3's dagao, playing the same shit every game.

[@RudyW97]

Could you maybe do a ranking video on tournaments?

[@petenojd]

I'm interested to know more about Chris, who spent so long at #1, seemingly uncontested for the most part. What made him so good?

[@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l]

He was very innovative. I think he invented the 22 pop rush. Pretty sure he had something to do with popularizing the Aztec Drush too. He was creative and very smart.

[@AR-md2tz]

FWIW, Chris wrote a book "Keys To 1vs1 Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors World Domination" about how to play Aoe2. It was released a long time ago and should be outdated,

[@MashiroFetz]

I just want to point something out. In the end of the Video the Elo-difference between 1st and 2nd place is basically the same as 2nd and 15th

[@mynameizmaineimis1880]

As for the method of rating: though I agree that tournament tier realistically matters when it comes to assessing someone's skill additionally to their win/loss results, I think having someone potentially lose Elo if they've won a tourney against someone is also fair. After all, even the ranked system scores per match, not per set of N matches. Wouldn't you expect a 3k Elo player to have fewer points after winning 3, but losing 2 games to someone with 2k Elo?

[@beaky8138]

I think this is fine in a format where every game matters. In chess, so long as you play an even number of games between black and white, no particular game is more important than any other and there is no advantage to be had by sacking games. AoE2 there is a potential counter argument because of the draft, map pick and best of X formats. I'm not saying it is a bad rating system, but I do believe it is less accurate than it would be in a game like chess.

[@mynameizmaineimis1880]

@@beaky8138 Maybe the rating-per-match argument is not that good, but, looking at it another way, I would definitely expect someone like Viper to beat a 2k player at least 5 to 1, but more likely 5 to 0, right? If I suddenly see Viper winning 5 to 4, I would consider either Viper's skill to have diminished or the 2k player to have caught up in an impressive way.

[@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l]

Something important about this video: it's wrong, at least in one area. Chris hit 2.6k back in the days of the Zone. I remember it because he was the first player to do it. It was a big deal. But this video doesn't reflect that. I'm not sure why, but Koven, Daut, Grunt, Chris, and several others... these guys rating were definitely higher than 2/2.1k.

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

U are thinking ladder elo, this is tournament elo

[@GustavoHenriqueZollnerMunhoz]

Riut ❤❤❤❤

[@Mwapavo123]

The Hera Era

[@budphone]

Dante was a top US player

[@david_oliveira71]

Funny, just watched that a few days ago.

[@TheNighthawk00]

I must have missed something, Project Belgium was in the top 15 in 2023 ????

[@noahshipp6318]

Road to 3k tournament elo when?

[@SCCH286]

00:05 is your cat a yeller or does your editor randomly add audios of her? 11

[@SunIsAlive]

WAIT. Fanjita was in the top 15!? The bf player from UK????

[@Plankqt]

GOAT!

[@SunIsAlive]

If these stats are from aoe-elo, Bo21's wouldn't be counted.

[@HyunAOP]

13:32 its not gonna be a solid number 2 😂

[@mahmoudfawzy60]

13:53 Meow

[@marcusmors8485]

Will god phosphoru get to the top 15 some day? I hope so.

[@bastian1546]

Where's the legend HOANG????????

[@consl]

1st

[@bastian1546]

Where's the legend HOANG????????????