REACTION: Joker VS Giorno DEATH BATTLE!

[@jordanhunter3375]

Joker attacking the fake Giorno was actually him transcribing life energy into him, making Joker's mind experience time faster than his body could act

[@FluuuffInari]

18:48 That wasn't Return to Zero, that was just Gold Experience punching Arsene/Joker into an out-of-body experience

[@gxstly]

Yeah aka Life Shot. Surprised he didn't just spam that initially.

[@Ardomew]

I really like the touch that Giorno mistakes Joker’s Personas for Stands, while Joker mistakes Gold Experience for a Persona.

[@shadowldrago]

Fate is an important theme in Jojo’s. Joker is, as a Wild Card, able to say ‘no’ to fate.

[@slimer44producciones3]

Well, Diavolo's stand also says no to fate but we all know how that ended

[@SteeziKiddo]

@@slimer44producciones3 diavolo's stand doesn't say no to fate, it just reveals fate.

[@matthewlugo2417]

​@SteeziKiddo u sure u read and seen jojo his stand literally controls fate for a couple of seconds

[@Ytinasniiable]

​@@matthewlugo2417I'd still argue there's a power difference between "altering fate" and "ignoring fate", albeit a bit of a pedantic one

[@stupid3814]

Even if Diavolo can alter fate, his will still got reduced to zero

[@jordanhunter3375]

I am happy with the results. Also, for those confused about why Joker's gun exploded(?), I think Giorno turned one of the bullets into a fly, and, because each created lifeform desires to reconnect with its original form, it flew back into the gun barrel and reverted back to a bullet, jamming it

[@nirast2561]

OK, but bullets aren't a part of a gun. They're just something that gets added to it.

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

Actually, there is a proper explanation. Remember those bullets that were turned into bees during the initial clash? I'm assuming the bullets fired are considered a part of the gun since they were discharged from said gun. So the bee bullets returned to the barrel of the gun, causing it to jam and explode. Though that doesn't explain why he has it against at the end since it exploded.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Well, the gun doesn't shoot REAL bullets so much as cognitive ones. Though since those bullets ARE linked to the gun's realistic appearance, thereby transforming it similarly to the Phantom Thieves themselves, they could technically be considered part of it. As for the gun he has when Satanael comes out, I guess he could have brought out another gun in his inventory.

[@nhbons783]

​@@nirast2561 Then the bullets returned to the miniscule gunpowder particles that got caught in the barrel, or generally and bullet residue left on the gun

[@Ytinasniiable]

Logically the bullets would've returned to the spent casings on the ground, but who cares about logic when you have the power of friendship on your side

[@ScorbunGame]

I love how the social link joke is so accurate to the actual Persona games.

[@RedBoi88]

Fun fact: In the storyboard for this episode, there's an epilogue scene. Since the fight took place in the metaverse, it was actually Giorno's Shadow Self that died, and doing that resulted in real Giorno's brain shutting down. However, before that happened, Gold Experience Requiem saved Giorno. So technically speaking, Giorno didn't really die (if you want to consider deleted storyboard epilogue shit canon)

[@buttbuster6929]

Is there anyway to see that ?

[@followeroftheprince]

Logically it makes sense for it to work that way

[@brandoneverett9153]

What was his change of heart though? Did joker steal his fabulous flair? Also joker stole the arrow so is gold experience requiem still a thing, or it’s a permanent transformation?

[@RedBoi88]

@@brandoneverett9153 Giorno was about to go to Florida, but he changed his mind after Gold Experience Requiem saved him

[@followeroftheprince]

@@brandoneverett9153 Well, since that Arrow Head produced Requiem, perhaps he gained some sort of superiority complex? Like, his journey to this point was just so the power of Requiem tainted his mind into thinking all he desires is just as well? The "Treasure" is a physical manifestation of the core to their darkness, like the Olympic medal from the first guy in the game is what drove his ego into overdrive in the first place. So that arrowhead represented the core of some sort of darkness that Giorno manifested In the end, Joker only took his Treasure, not the real arrowhead. Once in reality it very well might become just like the real arrowhead, but the original should still exist wherever it was left

[@csk7769]

i'm sure someone already brought this up, but the beginning of the fight was Life Shot, not Return to Zero. You can see Ren's body get pummeled and him then return to it, receiving the pain

[@danielwilson8604]

If you're curious, theres an extended ending to the fights story, which has been released as an animatic by the fights animator

[@RedLordOfAlagadda]

By the way, the storyboards confirm that the real world version of Giorno outside the metaverse had his cognitive shutdown negated by GER, meaning that both of them technically survived this battle.

[@agarcia6770]

As a fan of both series…it’s a win-win for me (:

[@BJGvideos]

Regarding what you were pondering at the end, there are plenty of battles where the loser powers up second. An interesting case is Shadow vs Mewtwo, where Shadow *starts* powering up first, but Mewtwo powers up *during* it and manages to finish by the time Shadow is ready.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

I think other cases where the winner changed form last (not counting times where only one of them changes form, or both change form at about the same time) are...Goku vs Superman (S1), Kirby vs Majin Buu, Guts vs Nightmare, Wolverine vs Raiden, Zoro vs Erza, Naruto vs Ichigo, Ryu vs Jin, Mario vs Sonic (S5), Ultron vs Sigma, Hulk vs Broly, Batman vs Iron Man, Thor vs Vegeta, and Goku vs Superman (S10).

[@MrAuthor3DS]

- That out-of-body thing near the start wasn't Return to Zero. It was the sensory overload trick that makes the target's mind think too fast for their body. - Interestingly, one detail about Personas that wasn't brought up here is that having one protects willpower from complete erasure. There's one major antagonist who can erase a person's will as soon as it reaches their cognitive world, but one man who had just the spark of a Persona managed to keep his will intact. Actually, this is kind of like how the Phantom Thieves could escape imprisonment when Yaldabaoth banished them (after making the masses think they don't exist), or how Jail Shadows were incapable of extracting Desires from the Phantom Thieves in Strikers. - Boomstick just had to fit in two more Sopranos references in the aftermath, didn't he? (Those being the "varsity Death Battle winner" line, and "Hey, Wiz! Did...Did you hear what I said?".) - The storyboard has an extended ending that shows what became of Giorno in reality (as this fight took place in his Metaverse Palace, thus against an identical Shadow Self). Oh, and the animator also provided a "real ending" (Giorno still dies, but much sooner). - They're actually releasing short trailers for Bowser's and Eggman's top minions - they've already started with Kamek. Wonder who else is gonna play a big role? I can guess...Sage, Bowser Jr., Metal Sonic, King Boo, Time Eater...

[@BrandonSwinney-j2v]

on the second point, which game has the antagonist erasing people's wills?

[@MrAuthor3DS]

@@BrandonSwinney-j2v Persona 5 Tactica. That's all I'm gonna say.

[@DR_REDACTED]

Maruki’s persona is literally a better version of GER because he can on top of denying reality also manipulate reality to his will and joker still beat him. Maruki even admits if he tried to redo the fight over again he would still lose everytime also denying reality is still a form of reality manipulation which Joker negates out right.

[@jonathanbarr9764]

This is the first time a fight including the Stands from JoJo where someone actually managed to destroy the Stand, Kenshiro who's the only other character to defeat a JoJo character wasn't able to destroy the Stand but he was able to kill Jotaro thereby destroying Star Platinum.

[@frasechico]

joker may have had every stat possible on his side, but hey giorno can stuff his ear into his head and joker cant

[@matthewlugo2417]

This is true

[@shadowlinkbds]

Yeah this death battle was impressive, but there's this one death battle with a certain fire cat and teen titan that im looking forward to in the future if you know what I mean. (Really glad it's getting fully funded btw. 😊)

[@followeroftheprince]

I am not fully certain who you mean. Please, explain :3

[@eclipsethezorua1905]

@@followeroftheprince Blaze vs Starfire, presumably.

[@highlandave8507]

Satanael is basically the Alien X of all of Joker's Personas and Arsene's evolved form.

[@MidnightPhantom]

I like small detail that Joker got Zero Experience

[@Flutterdark_]

anyone fighting giorno comes down to "can you counter GER?" if yes we have a fight if not its just gg. stalemate AT BEST

[@CottonArsonist]

16:40 Fyi, them saying that isn't literally meaning a "best out of 100" flip It's moreso, "in so many fights, who would get their win conditions off more". Like in Superman vs Goku, Goku is far more likely to start out with hand-to-hand and be dominated by Superman's higher stats instead of doing something wildly out of character like; researching Superman, gathering tons of Kryptonite near a magical red star and tossing Superman to it in order to beat them. The latter is just far less probable and circumstantial in comparison to what Goku does against practically every opponent: power up and fight. In the case of Joker vs Giorno, it just means Joker is far more likely to regain his will and one-shot with Sinful Shell or any other Almighty attack than Giorno is to immediately attain GER - or if they already have it - immediately try to RTZ all of Joker's attacks and transmute their objects.

[@jaxcraft2848]

"Bill Cipher vs. Discord" is also a mindbending fight.

[@novarevenant3908]

Man I can’t believe we’re having 2 Sonic fights in November and December

[@digishade7583]

You know funny thing is if Joker were to steal Giorno’s heart none of Giorno’s stats would actually matter because Joker wouldn’t be fighting Giorno he would be fighting Giorno’s shadow

[@phillemon7664]

That’s what he’s doing here

[@davidpescitelli8004]

What was interesting about this fight was that everyone thought it was a one-shot, but people couldn't decide who one-shotted who. It pretty much came down to whether Joker could get passed GER. If he could then he wins due to stats, if he couldn't then Giorno wins and yeah that's basically what happened. Vs debaters pretty much agree Bowser vs Eggman is extremely close due to having similar cosmologies and it just depends on how one interprets feats. I personally think Eggman should win since he does have a way around one of Bowser's biggest win cons with the Boos or Kamek stealing the emeralds or Phantom Ruby with the super forms. Both boos and Kamek's magic are unable to effect Mario when he is invincible with the stars and the Super forms should at least be comparable to that. Even if Kamek steals the Phantom Ruby before Eggman can use it both Forces and Sonic Channel story shows he has spares to use and he could just make his own copy of Kamek and Boos to steal it back. Also while Bowser has ways around mind control and potentially the metal virus as far as I know he doesn't have a defense against memory manipulation which is something the Ruby can do and I think could give Eggman the win. Even with that I still have a gut feeling Bowser will win.

[@roguewildcatstudios1266]

I'm still awaiting the day they drop a Mysterio VS. Scarecrow Death Battle. Ooh, what about Green Goblin (from Spider-Man) VS. The Joker (from Batman)? OH, THAT WOULD BE SO F-IN' COOL!!!!

[@blackthunderdragon6804]

This IS like shield and spear dilema If the spear gained limbs and shot the shield with a god killer

[@ArcherSlamBAM]

Must admit, I called the ending pretty hard. I knew that if Satanael came in, Giorno’s chances would go from pretty decent to dead zero. Satanael is just that strong, not to mention if they included any of the DLC Personas. (Could you imagine Joker whipping out Thanatos?) So, yeah, great match!

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Though really, if all it takes is the Almighty element, then even Megido should do. But I also understand Death Battle combatants going all-out for their finishers (see Might Guy).

[@yumenoseikatsu]

Satanael*

[@ArcherSlamBAM]

@@yumenoseikatsu Thank you.

[@RayKoshorek]

Hey Joshua, can you tell me what your favorite Italian food you like to eat?

[@SapphireCarbuncle009]

Before tuning into any of this, I'm gonna go off the Bowser vs Ganon DB logic and claim Giorno has the edge if he's got Requiem due to him being nigh-impossible to kill

[@shadowdragun]

Yeah well they have qdmitted that logic was wrong and no longer use it since like i think seaspn 6 at least

[@alvaroperez2349]

I’m sure salty Jojo fans are foaming at the mouth from this.

[@dusky5535]

Well, he did ​@@DR_L3G0

[@RedLordOfAlagadda]

Actually, Persona fans are way saltier.

[@LoreleyIsAGoodName]

@@RedLordOfAlagadda why’s that?

[@phillemon7664]

@@LoreleyIsAGoodNamethe ones that swear Joker should’ve lost because they have not seen JoJo’s Part 5 and assume that Giorno is “just that strong”

[@shadowdragun]

​@@phillemon7664so, same reason the fe fans who didnt understand powerscaling thought dimitri winning against gits was bs?

[@keiththompson9435]

I was pleased with the results as it was my big worry about Joker.

[@derrickhaggard]

This fight was awesome

[@axels3188]

This was a good reaction.

[@jcj268]

Love your shirt Josh

[@shelbybayer200]

Oooh that fight was crazy But, Joker wins

[@chocolover1998]

Bowser vs eggman nice I almost thought we were gonna get a round 2 on wily vs eggman but thankfully not

[@RayKoshorek]

Who Would Win in the next DEATH BATTLE - Bowser or Eggman and why?

[@epsyblue7714]

My money's on Eggman

[@Princess36621]

What was the problem you had with Persona 5? I had a good time playing it.

[@phillemon7664]

Reading too hard

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

How TF did this have the less controversial verdict over Omni Man vs Bardock?

[@victrystarz5953]

Both sides agreed that it was gonna be up to interpretation. That and the omnipotent orb does make it kinda clear cut.

[@infinitykiyen6270]

One thing most Gionor defender would ignore are 1) Shin Megami Tensei had always been the universe that all Persona series are in. It is the main branch of all timeline and thus why they all share same persona/monster from demons to gods. 2) META who read every JoJo and all Persona 5 source material even said its not even fair. He would even uses the No.1 strongest form Kars and even Kars would get instantly die. 3) Why Kars would be instantly die? In SMT or Persona they had kill an immortal too. Keep in mind the god in Persona 5 can infinitely revive themselves BUT the Sinful Shell one shot that ignore all defensive and immortality... Not even Kars would survive... 4) Also Almighty skill description is accurate... Why? This attributes are the skill that is shared with every supreme gods in Persona. And yes Muslim Creator also exist and in SMT lore Satanael managed to "hurt" this omnipotent god above all world, creation and time. So Satanael alone pretty much destroy all JoJo universe. Like even META state that Satanael is like No.3 strongest being in all SMT series... So the fight was not even fair. You literally pulling out Revolutionary Leader of Heaven to face just one single gangster... Its not even close. You can read Muslims creator lore to check how powerful Satanael is in SMT. Since he did "hurt" that being in SMT.

[@matthewlugo2417]

Joker wouldnt be able to see the stand cause stands arent shadows

[@alexanderdavis7573]

Team Bowser 🔥 Team Eggman 🥚

[@kingkaiser95]

Eggman has the highest power yield of the two

[@Purpleolives123]

I don’t know

[@danielcurren2119]

Eggman: has an army and fleet of badniks, metal sonic, sage, death egg, moon colony and is highly intelligent. Bowser: has power, firebreath, magic, dexterity in terms of attacks (can curl up in shell to attack and defend) has a loyal army that isn’t powered by woodland creatures, has powerups that can rival the chaos emeralds (like the power star although the power star is more temporary). Even if killed, bowser can either come back through adrenaline as a giant or become dry bowser. My theory is eggman’s intellect might push bowser around, but the koopa king will just push back even harder as eggman heavily relies more on technology

[@danielcurren2119]

@@kingkaiser95how so?

[@kingkaiser95]

@danielcurren2119 browsers power wildly fluctuates, but his average high is around large galaxy. Eggman constantly makes machines to go toe to toe with super sonic. Super Sonic is able to damage Solaris, which thanks to collapsing the past, present, and future into one singular instance, makes Solaris 4th dimensional.

[@robbycooper6787]

What’s on your shirt

[@jeremiahhuntley4224]

To be fair Giorno is actually the "weakest" of the jojos

[@juicyskittle6020]

in terms of raw strength, yes his stand is pretty much the weakest (Besides Hermit Purple but thats not really fair since its not humanoid)

[@phillemon7664]

Not necessarily, physically yes but against Johnny Part 7 and Josuke Part 8 Josuke is the only other JoJo that would be able to beat Giorno due to Requiem being so damn busted in the context of JoJo’s. Now the weakest Persona protagonist could probably beat Johnny, that being the P1 protagonist who isn’t the most impressive feat wise but should have all of Joker’s abilities if he’s allowed Vishnu.

[@highlandave8507]

No he's not. He's definitely over Jonathan, Joseph, Jotaro, Josuke I, and Jolyne. Only the AU JoJo's like Johnny and Josuke II are arguably above him.

[@jeremiahhuntley4224]

@@phillemon7664 Ya I meant physically sorry if I didn't make that clear. Also if you go back and read part 5 Giorno has the least amount of fights out of the jojos. If I remember correctly

[@jeremiahhuntley4224]

@@highlandave8507 He is physically weaker that's what I meant sorry for the confusion

[@matthewlugo2417]

Made over heaven is not canon

[@gxstly]

One thing about this fight that I like that it's entirely up to interpretation. Even if Joker could revive, shouldn't he still be stuck in an infinite death loop since its stated in the ability description by just being striked by GER it induces that? And also he Joker has a way to replenish even his will, but that would also be looped back to zero as well too?

[@CommanderBly5052]

Joker’s powers as a Trickster makes it so any kind of manipulation to his willpower is negated. GER’s RTZ wouldn’t work on him. Death Battle didn’t mention this though (maybe in one of the black boxes but I didn’t read those).

[@gxstly]

@ Calm down. Im saying RTZ shouldnt have activated at all in the animation because theres literally nothing Joker could do if it did activate. He would end it before that happened.

[@CommanderBly5052]

@@gxstly I am calm? I was just answering why GER wouldn’t affect Joker.

[@gxstly]

@ I know, thats why I hate the animation he shouldnt have even got hit by it because it was heavily implied if he does its completely over. He has things to override the initial condition but he cant get hit by it. The animation fucked up by including it.

[@animegx45]

Fun fact: The story board for this episode highlighted that it was a palace and not technically the real Giorno, who's Gold Experience healed him of the mental shutdown, and suddenly makes the choice to NOT travel to Florida. (Which means nothing to people not familar with Jojo)