Reaction to Jim Henson vs Stan Lee. Epic Rap Battles of History

[@whatitdodave]

My ERB reaction playlist! kzbin.info/aero/PLG217Y9Pofu6dn2PNbn71uh36sa2Hmjf6

[@davidmernick7360]

Maker Studios (which is owned by Disney but wasn't when ERB started) produced Epic Rap Battles of History for its first five "seasons", but then they split off and became independent from season six onwards around 2018/2019ish.

[@DonEBrooke32]

was a shocker to me too, ya know. 😨💔

[@aykrivwassup]

Was ERB under Maker all the way from Season 1? That doesn't seem right 🤔

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

@@aykrivwassup Yeah I'm pretty sure they started out independent too, then Disney bought Maker Studios around season 2/3 or something, and then ERB quit Maker Studios after season 5. Luckily with the ERB trademark still intact.

[@aykrivwassup]

@@Arbaaltheundefeated Ahh ok. Yeah that makes sense.

[@artembentsionov]

“Hop on my Steamboat but don’t rock it”. It’s a double reference. Steamboat Willie was the first (or one of the first) appearance of Mickey Mouse. And one of the key rules at Disney is “don’t rock the boat”

[@elbruces]

The Mr. Hooper thing was a pretty big deal at the time. They could have handled it in a lot of ways, but they chose to have the character of a children's show actually die so they could explain what death was and how to address it to kids.

[@brennanhearn6342]

That was a brave choice and one I deeply respect.

[@laethinfowler2317]

@@brennanhearn6342 yeah, not one I would expect from a show like the muppets, but definitely a good one

[@travisrollins5424]

I was there for Mr Hooper😭💗

[@Rygat]

stan 'broke Ferrigno' because the Hulk was Lou's first acting gig, he was a professional body builder and Mr Universe before his big 'break' into acting

[@Syllaren]

Disney has a legit terrifying amount of power and media control. Why do you think there was so little criticism of Disney opening up parks early during covid even on more lockdown supporting networks? Its because Disney owns most of those networks.

[@lovely1641]

'out to pasture' is another phrase for retirement. It's a term originally used for old race or work horses(sometimes cows and other work livestock) that can no longer do their jobs and so they're let go on a remote section of land to live out the rest of their years

[@robertgallegly8267]

This is one of my favorite ERBs. Henson and Lee came out swinging in their own unique styles. But then the two legends reconciled acknowledging the epic status of the other. But then corporate America came in saying "Get back to work, bitches." Even though I'm not a big fan of corporate conglomerates mucking with things, Walt's entrance was wicked.

[@wordlife94]

I LOVE the fact that you actually look things up when you don't know things.

[@jfilesgraphics]

Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and other individuals were collaborators on many creations. Stan Lee wrote the backstories on many characters and Jack would interpret some of them them through his artistic skill. Stan had a lot of control during the overall creative process, which manifested itself in Stan getting the spotlight more than Kirby. Even though Stan put his John Hancock on the books, it wasn't until later on down the road that Kirby received the recognition he richly deserved.

[@supersizesenpai]

He didn't receive the money he so richly deserved though.

[@cottonysensation3723]

You should watch the clips about mr hooper, it makes the line hit so much harder. Long and short was they took mr hoopers death as a opportunity to teach kids about death and had big bird struggle with that. Both with understanding it and coming to grips with it. It’s one of those highly regarded emotional television moments and it’s from Sesame Street which is just unexpected. Also muppet treasure island is best muppet movie, we best buds now for that one man

[@mikemath9508]

This was my favorite battle because of Disney, he fucking dominates. I love his brown and yellow suit.

[@someguy53299]

With this erb the viewers won. I absolutely loved this one

[@alyssam4970]

Disney has their hands...in EVERYTHING...

[@DeathOfSeasons]

I really enjoy your breakdowns of certain bars and some background info that you know about the topics, very insightful. It seems like I learn a little something from every video.

[@damionguy4275]

Bro, Disney owns pretty much everything at this point.

[@jfilesgraphics]

Yeah...pretty much :)

[@wietsepot1504]

My favorite was when back in the day, Insane Clown Posse belonged to Disney :)

[@jish55]

I remember bringing up like 10 years ago Disney would own nearly every piece of media, and people laughed at me saying I was an idiot, but now everyone realizes this to be true.

[@LocseryuOfficial]

well not erb anymore

[@Ririannana]

Thanks. You caused this​@@jish55

[@renokiller]

This is definitely one of the best imo. Nice job with the three peat dave! Keep on rocking!

[@cryo4952]

3 uploads in the matter of 2 hours?! You’re literally the best KZbinr ever

[@whatitdodave]

I upload 2-4 videos daily!

[@cryo4952]

@@whatitdodave :0 wow that’s amazing

[@sugibudder]

I would argue that Walt won by definition, but if we ignore that and only treat it as a Jim vs Stan, then i would say Stan won (but only barely).

[@RaptorNX01]

I do wish they had touched on the fact that, while Walt himself was shrewed businessman, the company as people know it today is nothing like it was under him. he was a visionary and optimist and pushed for technological innovation. He died in 1966, most of the "evil disney" stuff was done after his death. His brother and his nephew, both named Roy, tried to keep his vision alive. but after Roy Sr died that was when things started really getting out of control. Then when Roy Jr died, all bets were off.

[@chrisshanteau5353]

This one is tied for my fave with Zeus vs thor. You’ve got the bangers today dave. Love it. Henson died at 53. Disney owns everything. Yes disney owns all major networks. Fox and cnn etc

[@nicolaspietrangelo5573]

About what Disney controls right now: Lucas Arts (including the Star Wars saga) Marvel Pixar ESPN ABC National Geographic Every single thing FOX ever produced (The Simpsons, Futurama, all their movies, etc), now called Star Hulu A+E Network (50%)

[@SH-qs7ee]

Lets not forget Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Records, and 50 of the History Channel.

[@Codex951]

Futurama? really?

[@TheToaster1155]

great reaction! yeah back earlier in ERB history, they used a program called Maker's studio, which was owned by Disney, so Disney practically owned Epic Rap Battles of History

[@sonofbelz]

No it's actually because ERB was part of the MCN, Maker Studios. Which was owned by Disney and is now known as Disney Digital Network.

[@TheToaster1155]

@@sonofbelz wait- isn't that what I said? Or am I missing something? 😂

[@AlexanderAzarov]

@@TheToaster1155 Maker Studios was a group of creative teams, not a computer program.

[@TheToaster1155]

@@AlexanderAzarov Ah I see. Thank you for the correction.

[@xheralt]

This rap battle was, among other things, ERB's kiss-off to their Disneylandlord.

[@wordlife94]

"out to pasture, like bury him... that's pretty dirty" that's a bar

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

One of the biggest things about Mr. Hooper on Sesame Street, he was such a beloved character that everyone loved. When the actor passed away, rather than just replacing him with another actor, or writing his character out of the show, they actually went all in and had his character die IN the show. They had an entire episode about it and it was centered around how to teach kids at a young age how to deal with loss like that. The episode was heartbreaking and centered around Big Bird not understanding the whole concept of death and all the adult characters trying to teach him about how Mr. Hooper wasn't coming back because that's just what happens when someone dies.

[@JeshuaSquirrel]

Disney has the Muppets, but not Sesame Street. Henson was adamant that Disney never gets Big Bird.

[@fadwen88]

My man, we need more patreon slots! Give them fire! :D

[@jameshill8050]

Fun Fact Disney is the second highest buyer of explosives behind the U.S. military

[@undertakernumberone1]

02:48 The comics code was a lot of moral scare against comics. Included such gems as "Authorities can't be portrayed in a bad light" and had major stuff agianst drugs and so on. And many stores wouldn't sellcomics without their seal, so the industry basicalyl ended up self-censoring itself.* Then the US GOVERNMENT, Department of Health, Education and Welfare asked Lee to do a comic on drug abuse. He did. The CCA said: "No. This is against our rules. We won't certify the comic." Marvel put the comic out anyway, figuring: "Hey, the story was asked for by the HHS. We got the government behind us." The comic sold great. The CCA was embarassed. *from Wikipedia, the 54 criterias: Crimes shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal, to promote distrust of the forces of law and justice, or to inspire others with a desire to imitate criminals. (So, no sympathetic criminals, forced into crime etc.) If crime is depicted it shall be as a sordid and unpleasant activity. Policemen, judges, government officials, and respected institutions shall never be presented in such a way as to create disrespect for established authority. (HELLO FASCISM!) Criminals shall not be presented so as to be rendered glamorous or to occupy a position which creates a desire for emulation. In every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal punished for his misdeeds. Scenes of excessive violence shall be prohibited. Scenes of brutal torture, excessive and unnecessary knife and gunplay, physical agony, the gory and gruesome crime shall be eliminated. No comic magazine shall use the words "horror" or "terror" in its title. All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome crimes, depravity, lust, sadism, masochism shall not be permitted. All lurid, unsavory, gruesome illustrations shall be eliminated. Inclusion of stories dealing with evil shall be used or shall be published only where the intent is to illustrate a moral issue and in no case shall evil be presented alluringly, nor so as to injure the sensibilities of the reader. Scenes dealing with, or instruments associated with walking dead, torture, vampires and vampirism, ghouls, cannibalism, and werewolfism are prohibited. Profanity, obscenity, smut, vulgarity, or words or symbols which have acquired undesirable meanings are forbidden. Nudity in any form is prohibited, as is indecent or undue exposure. Suggestive and salacious illustration or suggestive posture is unacceptable. Females shall be drawn realistically without exaggeration of any physical qualities. Illicit sex relations are neither to be hinted at nor portrayed. Rape scenes, as well as sexual abnormalities, are unacceptable. Seduction and rape shall never be shown or suggested. Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden. Nudity with meretricious purpose and salacious postures shall not be permitted in the advertising of any product; clothed figures shall never be presented in such a way as to be offensive or contrary to good taste or morals.

[@thegrayshaws]

When Jim Henson died I was like 7 or 8. It was the first celebrity death I remember being aware of. Everyone was really sad about it because he was pretty young and so many people had grown up watching muppets and sesame street.

[@Nexy9]

Shoutout to what it do Dave, that’s what’s up

[@marine6680]

Disney is so powerful, they are the reason our copyright system is so screwed up… They are the main reason the length of copyright has been extended multiple times, because they don’t want Mickey to become public domain… Funny that they got their big break in films based on stories that are in the public domain like Cinderella, Snow White, etc…

[@MCNinja38TR1]

For Seasons 1 -5 ERB used Maker Studios for production, which is owned by Disney. Thus Disney technically owns Seasons 1-5. Season 6 - present, they broke off from Maker Studios, and use Patreon on top of YT Ad Revenue to fund the battles, so now they're independent.

[@kjohnson9306]

If you're interested, Defunctland did a series on their channel about Jim Henson. Pretty cool documentary.

[@cl1cka]

It's not a debate. Stan Lee put his name on Jack's comics. But it seems Jack actually agreed for him to do it, as they were friends.

[@TheRyujinLP]

While this is a pretty broad subject and who deserves more credit really depends on just which character we're talking about, for the most part Stan Lee is the one who came up with name, backstory, and powers of the characters and Jack (along with Steve Ditko) would then draw them out. Now of course there was going to be a bit of back and forth as the fleshed the designs so there's a bit of everyone's ideas in each character I do think it's safe to say that for the most part these characters wouldn't exist without Stan Lee being behind the main creative wheel.

[@buddamassa]

The look of horror on Hensons face when Disney dropped in spoke volumes

[@GirlbossGrandpa]

the m-i-c-k-e-y bit that walt disney did at the start of his verse might be a reference to the mickey mouse club house theme song where the song starts with "M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E (It's me!) M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E" i might be reaching a bit tho

[@AlexanderAzarov]

oh no it definitely is referring to that.

[@danielperry6921]

Good reaction, Dave. One thing I think is really funny in this video is most people don't catch that this is the only time ERB doesn't ask "Who won?" at the end. Disney owns both Lee and Henson, figuratively and literally.

[@AlexanderAzarov]

It was a season finale, they never ask on those. But yes, it made it hit harder.

[@willyo_98]

Like a beautiful unset at noon also means dying earlier in the day

[@AJ-ut8cz]

Jim Henson came out of the gate clean af.

[@DonEBrooke32]

10:42 soon, Dave, we're gonna be calling our home, Planet Disney. instead of Planet Earth. 💔💔💔

[@Lugiamasterbrony]

Me personally I say that this Characterization of Walt Disney wins. If you really break it down it just seems like the entire verse is just a diss to everyone. He didn't just own those two he owned the whole world. Disney bought out the Jim Henson company after Jim Henson died. Then Disney bought out Marvel while Stan was alive. He basically said their battle was just a simple debate and that it was a waste of time. There's just so much within this battle. Also the studio ERB used to work at during that time was owned by Disney so yes they did own ERB.

[@undertakernumberone1]

It's not a characterization of Walt. It's the Walt Disney COMPANY! It fits the modern Company pretty well, while the real Walt Disney, from what I've heard, was different.

[@Lugiamasterbrony]

@@undertakernumberone1 Yes the real Walt was different however this is a version of Walt that represents the current modern day Disney hence this characterization of him. So yes it IS a characterization of Walt. It's a personification of the company today through this portrayal of Walt Disney. If you don't believe me look at the description of the battle it says Walt Disney, not the company but the person. Also take a look at Mat4yo's analysis of this battle. It is Walt.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@Lugiamasterbrony i was saying its representing disney company...

[@Lugiamasterbrony]

@@undertakernumberone1 Of course. But it still is Walt himself just a version with the company personified through him.

[@bboyblock3030]

This is also the only ERB they didn't ask who won :)

[@AlexanderAzarov]

wrong, they never ask on the season finales, this was one of them.

[@brothersgt.grauwolff6716]

I gave it to Stan Lee as well but by a narrow margin as both had hard hitting lines all Walt did was Alpha Dog piss on them to mark his territory then bark at them 😋

[@mikemath9508]

Comics code involved laws like they can only publish stories where, like, a bad guy has to be punished in the end

[@pennyc7833]

In this case, the sunset at noon means that your life is still going, so you're in the 'noon' of the day that is your life. But someone else's sun has set in the middle of your day.

[@doubleohnine]

Disney owns/owned Maker Studios, ERB used to be owned/under Maker Studios

[@colt1903]

Disney owns damn near everything.

[@ucitymetalhead]

Watch the boards at the end that people are working on they have various names of the companies disney owns.

[@ChiefBones]

Jim made Stan apologize, therefor, Jim wins.

[@psycojuggalo1642]

Jim Hansen was 53 when he passed

[@i.aladdin]

If manz voice was any deeper it'd be in the Marianas trench.

[@basilisk5620]

You missed the sweatshop bar from Walt

[@AlexanderAzarov]

I don't think he missed it, just didn't see the need to comment on it. You can see it in his eyes when he hears it.

[@basilisk5620]

@@AlexanderAzarov lol

[@spiderfingers86]

On this season 4 finale featuring a muppets creator vs a Marvel creator

[@RedHood410]

Disney USED to own ERB

[@mr.shelton8391]

Disney owns magic maker studios which makes ERB

[@xheralt]

Lou Ferrigno was a former wrestler, and deaf. Not likely to ever end up acting, but the 1980's TV show was, as Hollywood says, his "big break". Past tense, broke. Its a stretch for Stan to take credit for that casting, though.

[@xheralt]

Check out the YT video Stan made about "cameo acting", Lou makes, well, a cameo appearance in it.

[@AngelicFireIce]

Disney owns about 80-90% of all Television.

[@mrfashionguy1]

He made Ferrigno, he broke him onto the scene

[@JeshuaSquirrel]

As for what Disney owns, why else did you think Hulu, Disney+, and ESPN could be bundled so easily?

[@Tr3y94]

During the first few seasons of ERB was owned by Disney until they became independent

[@AlexanderAzarov]

ERB was part of Maker Studios, then Maker Studios was bought by Disney, then around the time of this battle ERB left Maker Studios and Disney to go independent.

[@austinw8697]

Disney owned the battles at first but they went independent around 2019

[@brucenicholson6159]

WHOS DRUNK WRITING COMIC CODES

[@jeffreymcrae3853]

This was a good one, my vote goes to Stan Lee... by a slim margin. As for Sesame street's Mr. Hooper... I do remember seeing the episode where they announced Mr. Hooper passed away. 🤔 yes... I'm getting old 😧

[@lizardkid666]

They own maker studios

[@alikhalfan4505]

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[@CloudslnMyCoffee]

Man I love Zach sherwin

[@laurofernandes3744]

MC comes from Main Caracter

[@brucenicholson6159]

labyrinth is awesome

[@lillylane803]

Oh Dave Jim Henson hated Disney he would die all over again to know that they bought his stuff. He hated Disney so very much 😡😡😡😡

[@AlexanderAzarov]

Apparently except for Sesame Street, cause Jim Henson made sure that Disney could never own Big Bird.

[@AgentAussem]

if i remember mr hoopers character was a dog so they put the dog down in the show or something

[@gork8468]

He was the owner of the corner store and he legit died on the show - it was played out in a 'very special episode' type thing to teach children about death and grief (I was 8 when it happened, and watched it with my younger sister). I guess a few characters have run the store since (unsurprisingly didn't see it for over 30 years afterwards) - but when my own children started watching it the store was still called Hoopers.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

Mr. Hooper was the kind black man who owned the corner store on Sesame Street. Everyone absolutely loved the character and he was probably one of the most beloved characters "In universe". So when the actor playing Mr. Hooper passed away; rather than replacing him with someone else or just writing him out, the show went all in and actually had him die in the show. They used the episode as a way to try to help children better understand death and teach parents how to help them help this children better understand such a concept. The episode was absolutely heartbreaking and centers around Big Bird wanting to give a drawing he made to Mr. Hooper and all the adults having to try to teach/help him understand about death because Big Bird doesn't really understand the whole concept of "Mr. Hooper's gone."

[@robertkennedy3653]

Disney owns KZbin.

[@whatitdodave]

Google owns KZbin, my guy.

[@ricsithompson6671]

I think Disney owns You Tube

[@whatitdodave]

Google owns KZbin. And at the time of ERB making that video, Disney owned them. But they don’t anymore.

[@brucenicholson6159]

HULK

[@majinsole8554]

Disney ---- Everything ~_~