What is the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA)?

[@paulwilson4738]

This young chap is a real personification of the "hard-bitten reporter" who just spits out the facts. We can certainly use more of this style in the general passing on of information nowadays. It is very good that the list of the topics is given in the "show more" because he spouts off the facts pretty darn fast! That is true of all of his videos, which are nice and helpful.

[@RonJohn63]

He described it in a video earlier this year as "neutral encyclopedia".

[@susangopher]

Now that I've watched a few of these, I get the format and appreciate the comprehensive overview. ACNA is still using overly complicated verbiage for simple concepts and will never change. As an Ex-Episcopalian (born and bred) it all still gives me a headache and heartbreak from when my born-again believing parish chose to leave ECUSA after Gene Robinson had the laying on of hands ( including by our own Bishop who showed no remorse) Forever Heartbroken, but still Saved- only by Jesus's Grace.

[@nacereddinechallal4405]

It s rly nice when someone reports informations as they r leaving his personal openion ..personal . Just give me the infos ; let me process them myself ; no need to chew the food before putting it on my plate.

[@bradleymorehouse7462]

I like his "just the facts" presentation. He has helped me immensely in my current decision-making.

[@TheologyJeremy]

Great video, I'm part of the ACNA and I thought you overviewed us well.

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@Renewed_Catholic]

Hi my anglican brother in Christ! Just curious: Where are you on the anglican spectrum? Anglo-catholic (high church) or more protestang (slightly lower church)?

[@ryannafziger5158]

This was a very informative video, I appreciate how you provided a comprehensive video starting with the sacraments, moved on to more theological issues, and ended with moral issues and matters of church organization. I have attended an ACNA congregation for the past 2 years, and my one sentence review for anyone interested in attending is that it is sort of like liturgical church with training wheels. As is typical across many Christian congregations, its members are friendly and loving people with the full intention to serve the Kingdom through the means they have at their disposal.

[@bobtaylor170]

I discovered you only an hour or so ago, and can't tell you just how thoroughly I admire your totally competent, perfectly reportorial style in these videos.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thanks so much!

[@matthew7491]

Wow, what an incredibly informative video. I've been looking into Anglicanism and this answered a lot of my questions about the ACNA, since it's clear there are differing opinions within.

[@intergalactichumanempire9759]

Thanks for making this! I have a friend in the ACNA

[@allthisiscrazy]

I really enjoy the ACNA

[@AmericanShia786]

Very thorough presentation. I don't have a copy of the ACNA canons, so it was good to see excerpts from that document.

[@thomasewatt]

Fantastic Video on the ACNA, I use to be apart of the ACNA but now a Catechumen in the Eastern Orthodox church after finding many disagreements with doctrine with the ANCA and Protestantism in general. Despite this I have good memories and nothing but respect and will advocate cooperation between The Holy Orthodox church and the ACNA for the common missions of Our Lord.

[@michaelciccone2194]

Thomas, what do you disagree with ACNA?

[@thomasewatt]

@@michaelciccone2194 There's a lot to it and and most of it towards Protestantism in general (Why I'm no longer protestant but a humble Catechumen in the Orthodox Church) which is why I didn't go to any other denomination in the protestant religion. At first it was merely asthetical, specific the modernist worship drawing me to Anglo-Catholicism. That then lead me to really start exploring Catholic theology and there was a point I was pretty sure I was going to become Roman Catholic. As I really started to dig into theology I really started to disagree with the 'Westminster confession", "reformed theology" and the more I looked into it, protestant theology in general. Being a huge history nerd I've heard the name Orthodox but didn't think much about it, to me it was either protestant or Roman Catholic. Eventually I started reading into Orthodoxy (which is a real thing now and days and has millions of members in North America). Basically Orthodoxy's Roman Catholicism, but rejecting Papal Supremacy, Purgatory and several other things. Early on in my exploration of Orthodoxy I found a Greek Orthodox Parish near where I live (my current parish to this day) and fell in love with the very traditionalist style of worship, the reverence and beauty. The final nail in the coffin of my former Protestantism is when I found this website: orthodoxinfo.com and decided to humble myself and commit to the Orthodox Church, Ascetic Lifestyle and theology of Orthodoxy. So Long story short: Originally It was disagreements with modernist worship, lead to theologically leaving Protestantism and Traditionalist Catholicism, then honing in on Orthodox Theology and the areas The Orthodox Church disagrees with the roman patriarch and his church. Theologically rejecting Protestantism in general; lutheran's theology such as rejecting sola, fide, sola scriptura, and all that stuff . We reject reformed theology (We believe in the very real physical presence of the Body and Bloody of Our Lord in the Eucharist, the 7 sacraments, our understanding of justification and all that stuff disagreeing with reformed theology). Our understanding of what sin is and how we gain justification is much different than the west, (one of the few areas we disagree with the roman church on). We believe in the intercessions of The Saints, Death being destroyed by our Lord on Holy Saturday we're not fully separated from our sleeping Brethren. Like I said there's a lot, Orthodoxy has an understanding that other Christian religions and other religions has revealed truth in the but Orthodoxy's the fullness of the Truth. I guess it's in the name, we believe we have the unchanging truth from the Holy Apostles, through the Holy Fathers on to today. I know that's a lot but ask a loaded question ... :) That resource I mentioned earlier orthodoxinfo.com is a good resource and can explain it much better than I could ever hope to, but a humble Catechumen so still pretty new to a lot of this stuff

[@michaelciccone2194]

@@thomasewatt Thomas thank you for. your reply...very interesting! I love the Eastern fathers. I really appreciate your thoughts.! My favorite course in the RC seminary was New England church history....I enjoyed reading the Puritan fathers..especially Jonathan Edwards.

[@ianp.7536]

I’m Anglo-Catholic but if I wasn’t then I’d be Orthodox..Blessings from a brother-in-Christ. Blessed Pascha

[@thomasewatt]

​@@ianp.7536 It's never too late to convert to the One True Orthodox Faith and leave those false "Churches" behind which are outside The Church and bring no salvation, Besides there's always the Western Rite of The Orthodox Church. I was in the so called "traditionalist" protestant catagory and specificaly was "anglo-catholic" for the last year of being protestant. Naturally I came to dislike it's empty traditional ritural that is only done because that's how it's always beem done without the proper understanding of The Divine Liturgy (Mass). Naturally becoming an anglo-catholic was my gateway into leaving protestantism (there were many other protestant theological beliefs I rejected around this time as well) exploring exclusivly traditional roman "catholicism" (Vatican 2 is stupid) before finding the One True Orthodox Faith. Naturally as Orthodox we understand The Mass as offering a non-bloody sacrifice of Bread and Wine, we enter into the Eternal and ongoing Heavenly Divine Liurgy, and by the work of the All Holy and Life Creating Spirit the non-bloody Holy Oblation Sacrifice of Bread and Wine becomes Christ's actual Body and Blood though we cannot explain the unexplainable. I could go on but I'll leave it there. I'm including some sources that helped: www.orthodoxwest.com - Western Rite Orthodox, Entirely Orthodox in Theology and Communion using the Western Rite (Latin Mass, Sarum or Anglo, Galic ect) Divine Lirugy of Saint Gregory the Great,

[@two4.six8]

Very nice summary. I thought it was interesting that you mentioned the diocese of Fort Worth re: real presence. That is my diocese. And the real presence requirement is true for every church in the diocese except for its largest and oldest parish, St. Andrew's, which is quite protestant evangelical. Still, amongst its parishioners, you could easily find a little of every view you described for an ACNA church.

[@wesmorgan7729]

I like the ACNA, but I wish it was more consistent across the board on beliefs as say the LCMS is instead of allowing dioceses to pick and choose.

[@patrickpilkington6241]

They're on a path back toward the Roman Catholic Traditional Faith. We all are I truly feel. God will lead us all in Love and Faith. Pray to St. Robert Bellarmine for intercession.

[@rankinplemmons3799]

Love your videos! You should do one on the CEEC (Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches!)

[@zacharycooney6436]

Im Episcopal and love my fellow Anglicans

[@brendonpremkumar8207]

Why be Episcopalian? You should really join the ACNA.

[@zacharycooney6436]

@@brendonpremkumar8207 nope i believe in womens ordination and LGBTQ equality

[@brendonpremkumar8207]

@@zacharycooney6436 with all due respect, women and LGBTQ people are treated equal in the ACNA. Just because women cannot be priests does not mean they can't use their spiritual gifts to serve the church nor does it mean they are inferior to men. And just because homosexual relationships are rejected because they are against scripture does not mean LGBTQ people are not loved or respected. We are blessed to have many same-sex attracted Christians who have chosen to remain celibate and they bring much to the table that is needed.

[@zacharycooney6436]

@@brendonpremkumar8207 whatever im still staying Episcopal u be u

[@sameash3153]

​@Brendon Premkumar I would love to attend an ACNA congregation, but there aren't any that are close to me at the moment. With the small selection available, it's important that the nearest one has a high quality service too. Unfortunately, while the ACNA are all brothers to Episcopalians, our church leaders are not in communion with each other. There is something hurtful about that, to not have our ACNA brothers sharing whenever we participate in the eucharist.

[@susanmeredith4957]

Very informative, I’m a Canadian Anglican and had no idea what ACNA was.

[@MikeFisher-l3j]

I'm a new Canadian anglo-catholic. Very informative video.

[@johntobey1558]

One of the original churches was started by Stuart Ruch III and it met in Edmam Chapel on Wheaton College's campus Wheaton, Illinois. One of there forst national conferences met on campus in 1999. Wheaton has a part to play in this and that should be discussed as part of the denominations genesis.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

Very well done video. I'm part of the REC, which is joined to the ACNA. I do wish to point out that the Articles never deny the canonicity of the Apocrypha. In fact, the Books of Homilies cite them explicitly as Scripture spoken by the Holy Spirit (the Articles state that the Books of Homilies do give us authentic Anglican theology). As well, the Books of Homilies do state that we can refer to the five Ecclesiastical Sacraments as Sacraments.

[@cgpyper7536]

Dear Barely Protestant; Does that mean More Anglo-Catholic?! Thank you for your incite/input. I was once in brief contact with the REC. Had the REC been better organized where I live, I would have made the change Wonderful to know that the REC is now included in the ACNA.

[@konztantien]

You should compare the ACNA and the Global Methodist Church (GMC). Keep up the good work!

[@jacoballen5108]

Thank you.I am a Pentecostal inquiring into Anglicanism

[@az126zad]

Interesting that the ACNA adds the 39 articles into their confession as the TEC never held the 39 Articles as a standard clergy or members had to subscribe, follow or even learn (except from 1871-1904).

[@legacyandlegend]

That's because the ACNA are true anglicans. The 39 articles are not just a historical document. It's binding on anglicans. That and the book of common prayer. This is why the episcopal church aren't true anglicans.

[@ellen823ful]

This is the true expression of Christian faith. I’m loving 🥰 ACNA. You can’t go wrong! Give it a try.

[@legacyandlegend]

The one problem I have with the acna is that they don't want to provide non alcoholic wine for the eucharist. Whether you're an alcoholic like myself or you just don't want to drink alcohol, it's wrong to not provide them with an alternative. Only receiving one kind isn't good either. Jesus said, this is my body, this is my blood. Not this is my body and the blood is unnecessary. Intinction is bad too. You might as well drink the wine because the alcohol soaks into the bread. Martin Luther had it right. That was one of the abuses of the roman catholic church. The acna is no better...

[@gr8hmz]

They left the Episcopal Church so that they would be free to discriminate. They are not members of the world-wide Anglican Communion. They use the 1928 Episcopal Book of Common Prayer for their services.

[@ravenvane2227]

Discriminate? You mean rebuke sin.

[@kellyj.azania4371]

I'm completly new to all of this. Is this the same as the Holy Catholic Church Anglican Rite?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

No, but I do have a video about those that will be on the channel in the next few months

[@baoxidiaoyu]

HCCAR split from ACC decades ago, ACNA split from TEC more recently

[@thomassharp2719]

Is the Southern Episcopal Church now part of the ACNA ?

[@res00sky]

For a point of current clarification, TEC has lost one of the largest property lawsuits. The ACNA Diocese of Fort Worth was successful in defending itself in multiple courts, thanks be to God. As well, TEC, like The Church of England, continues to shrink. Average Sunday attendance continues to decline; neither have had any new church plants over the past several years; however, the ACNA continues to create new parishes.

[@bradleyhoyt3188]

The Anglican Church Of North America is a Traditionalist denomination right? :)

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

Yes.

[@colinlavelle7806]

It's just another expression of the Anglican (CofE) if you like, which has it's origins in England during the reigns of Edwary VI and Elizabeth I. Purely a creation of the English State and Parliament.

[@Booger414]

Depends on the tradition.

[@theodosios2615]

It's supposed to be, yes. But unfortunately, like many others, it is being infested by the woke depravity.

[@jeffreyjourdonais298]

We need to do the same someday…..

[@elpastorluterano]

Thanks!

[@redknightsr69]

I went to one ACNA church service that was in a Jewish synagogue (nothing wrong with that). It was extremely low church and was run by guys who seemed to have left their evangelical type church to start up an ACNA church. They had a very low church Anglican liturgy. I was thoroughly disappointed. I hope I find a better place

[@adamsmith3919]

In richmond va?

[@wesmorgan7729]

I know what church you're talking about haha. Feel free to message me if you're still looking.

[@redknightsr69]

@@wesmorgan7729 how does one message?

[@wesmorgan7729]

@@redknightsr69 My bad, I thought you could send DMs on KZbin for some reason. I go to St. Matthew's which, while sadly still in the Episcopal Church, is a conservative parish with a conservative priest that follows a normal Anglican liturgy. I know there's also St. Jude's in Henrico and St. Luke's in Manakin-Sabot that are REC and Church of the Incarnation in Short Pump which is ACNA. I've never been there, so I don't know if it's more of a contemporary church or not.

[@brendonpremkumar8207]

It seems that Anglo-Catholicism has a stronger presence in TEC than in ACNA. Although you can find Anglo Catholic churches in ACNA, there is a lot of evangelical influence.

[@joepollard3228]

I have a good friend that I met several years ago. We both grew up in the Orthodox Church. He left Orthodoxy and became a priest in the Anglican Church. He refused to become Episcopalian. He said he would only go to a historical church, and the Church of England was it for him.

[@jamessheffield4173]

Why not the 1928 Prayer Book?

[@baoxidiaoyu]

More of an issue to the groups of the 1970s

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@baoxidiaoyu I still use it. Pax

[@Booger414]

Because the ACNA was firmly entrenched in the 1979 book when they left TEC, so they don't even acknowledge it. They say the 1662 is the norm, but they also wrote their own in 2019

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@Booger414 Thanks. Blessings.

[@marcuytdewilgen2305]

The first christian church is the Roman Catholic church fondation by or Lord Jesus Christ, the other christian community are fondation by the human. But in my opinion as R.C. also the Anglican church is also a really christian church, because she is the equivalent of the Roman Catholic church like the Orthodoxe church's. I like very much the Anglican Christianity. In my heart i'm R.C. and Anglican.

[@matttee1319]

Same here

[@SuperDarkMan12TV]

The Anglicans dont have valid sacraments according to the Catholics

[@FearAndTrembling]

The Council of Trent is heretical, and Rome needs to repent from it. Luther was the better catholic, and Rome is no longer catholic. I struggle whether to consider the Roman church a church or an empire because it anathematizes so many true teachings and then tolerates rampant heresy within its congregations. Most people in the pews of Roman congregations are completely pelagian in their soteriology, even though Rome condemns this formally. "Meriting additional grace" is used in Trent, session 6, canon 31, but that's a contradiction in terms according to CCC 1996. I hope the Anglican church is more blunt in the future that Rome is a tyrant looking to seize the gospel.

[@colinlavelle7806]

You cannot be both. You need to do some research as John Henry Newman (ex Anglican vicar and catholic convert and cardinal) said to be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant.

[@FearAndTrembling]

@@colinlavelle7806 I protest against Rome's heresies. When Rome stops promoting heresy, I'll cease to be a protestant.

[@austinchinwe7968]

What a shame...ACNA suing and being sued by Episcopalians...contrarily to the teaching of Jesus in the bible. We all need to go back to the ultimate source- Christ.

[@CesarMaranatha]

Just a FYi that I think we know but must be said....Not all Episcopal churches are liberal. The one I attend is very traditional.

[@veredictum4503]

Dear podcast host - you sound like a sincere Christian just fair and objective reporting on all the denominations. I hear no vitriol nor sarcasm from you - thank you. But sir, do you not see that all these denominations - and that they are splitting even more due to gay marriage and rainbow agenda - goes straight against Jesus' prayer for unity. "That they be one... etc... so that the world will believe you (God the Father) sent me". That it is now the exact opposite, is also why we can conclude all the division is the work of the devil - because everything the devil does is the opposite of God, and no other religion is as fractured. So from there one can safely conclude 'sola scriptura' is flawed - that is how you get so many denominations, everyone claiming to be "personally guided by the Holy Spirit" when they are not. We can also safely conclude you do need a visible, earthly head - because even the Orthodox are divided. This in spite of a not-good pope (I say that seriously and with great sadness). But God will not abandon His One True Church, and all the bad clergy like the German bishops, let them answer to God themselves. The truth is in the defined doctrines formed by dogmatic councils, and summarised in the Catechism. Not this priest says this, that bishop says that, or the pope makes a comment on aeroplane. Discount all that. Stick to Catechism. Do consider.

[@darrylviljoen6227]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your comment.

[@barcodesystemslanka3670]

why juda pepole not eat pork ? is that Anglican or nother ?

[@califdad4]

Im Episcopalian, but the Anglican is about the same but in this country more conservative

[@jimmycain8669]

ACNA is my church home.

[@sirennoir258]

ACNA ❤

[@arthurhallett-west5145]

So now that there is an adulterer as Supreme Governor of the CofE, according to Scripture, what is gafcon going to do about this?

[@colinlavelle7806]

Well yes you are quite correct. In fact the English Parliament declared HenryVIII to be head of the Church in England....a multiple adulterer and fornicator.

[@rev.stephena.cakouros948]

The Priest quoted at 11:30 who rejects what he calls "one time salvation" needs further instruction in the Bible. He has introduced into scripture a Pelagian way of reasoning about the nature of salvation. He needs to mediate on Romans 4:16. Salvation does not result from a mixture of faith and works, see Romans 11:6. He should read The Benefit of Christ by Benedetto a Dominican who saw the light. It is a classic.

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

I don't think that's what is meant by that. I just joined an ACNA church and am originally from a southern Baptist background. In my experience with southern Baptist churches they emphasize a one time conversion moment to the point that if you don't remember exactly when it happened then you're not a Christian. I think that's what they are pushing back upon especially since the author of this video mentioned that thr ACNA doesn't think works is needed for faith. I think what they mean is that you don't have to remember an exact conversion moment, but that ones faith can grow over time and you can still be a Christian like that.

[@colinlavelle7806]

It's just part of the Anglican or (CofE) created by the English State under Edward VI and his half sister Elizabeth I.

[@backedupwithtruth7525]

Anglicanism can survive and flourish without Canterbury and so can Catholicism without the Vatican and the papacy. ACNA is living proof that Anglicanism can 🙏🏾

[@saldol9862]

Catholicism without the see of Peter just sounds like a bunch of schismatics.

[@inoussakabore-yl6ps]

14 What do men say that I am, I, Prophet Kacou Philippe? And you, who do you say that I am? I am the prophet sent to the Muslims; they rejected me but I did not take the sword against them. I am the prophet of the Catholics and the pope is my unfaithful servant. I am the prophet sent to the churches and to all the inhabitants of the earth but the inhabitants of the earth do not need a prophet. I am the powerful eagle, the great chief of the creation but only feathers despite all the good flesh of animals, because no animal of the earth raises a good prayer for me. Who I am, I, Prophet Kacou Philippe? Have all the great messengers who have come before me built the pyramid, age after age, for me to come and stand upon it?[Ed: The congregation says, "Amen!"]. Who is then the one who has received a so great grace? Truly, this one is the celestial door of the pyramid of ages whose base are the waters. But it is humbly by the underground door that mankind will meet me. You, proud Branhamists and you, men of the white race, and you, the great men of the earth, here is the ministry under the tent and you need to stoop down to enter the tent. Be humble, stoop down to enter the tent. Here is the ministry under the tent and you need to stoop down before this African. Stoop down before this little African. [Ed: The congregation says, "Amen!"].

[@darrylviljoen6227]

?????

[@rhianaraujo9132]

Hello 🇧🇷

[@austinchinwe7968]

Question....who is the pope of the ACNA?. For me all these divisions and microdivisions stem from opposition of Authority...

[@legacyandlegend]

The ACNA has no pope. The pope isn't biblical. And no Matthew 16:18-19 doesn't prove the pope. That argument has been debunked. They are prima scriptura. They have many authorities. Priests, bishops, apostolic traditions, councils, creeds, the church fathers, the thirty nine articles, and the book of common prayer. The only infallible and inerrant authority, however, is the bible.

[@austinchinwe7968]

@@legacyandlegend quote your sources...you have not answered why they keep splitting here and there if the bible you claim they all have and a final authority can be interpreted as they like. Peter was given the keys as of Moses to lead the Israelites of his time...and it was passed on to Joshua....down to the kings.....

[@legacyandlegend]

@austinchinwe7968 I would think it would be obvious why churches keep splitting. Because of the fall of man. We are all fallible and make mistakes. No one is capable of interpreting scripture perfectly. The bible is infallible. We are not. Peter may have started apostolic succession, but that didn't make him infallible. Look at Francis blessing gays and roman priests, blessing and marrying guys because of it. Pure evil.

[@austinchinwe7968]

@@legacyandlegend The argument is not whether the bible is infallible or not. Cos, I believe it is infallible....you mentioned no one is capable of interpreting the scriptures perfectly. I agree, God did not intend a single person being capable to interpret it. That is why he instituted a Church with an apostolic heritage to do that...He also prayed, they be one as he and the Father is...unless you believe Jesus prayer was meaningless....Again, the Church's divine authority is infallible. Humans within may fall. God protects his church....the gates of hell shall not prevail....Again, the Pope has not blessed any gay union nor allowed his priests to bless gay marriage s .Provide your sources or stop your subtle persecutions...

[@legacyandlegend]

​@austinchinwe7968 KZbin keeps deleting my comments. I'm afraid this debate is over. God bless you brother. Even if I don't agree with you. I hope to see you in heaven one day

[@news_internationale2035]

ACNA is based.

[@Sockens]

We do our best! Swing by an ACNA church some time if you’re ever feeling adventurous

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

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[@xenosmann831]

**The new age Anglican church of King Henry the 8th just is silly, please consider the double speak here. Oh well, its a cartoon.

[@LJones-tx6eg]

I thinks its more important to know...why is there an Anglican Church in NA? What, like hold overs from the revolution?

[@erichenningfeld]

The ACNA has no connection to the British state or Monarchy. It's anglican because we follow the tradition of the English reformation and the world wide tradition that came from it.

[@colinlavelle7806]

@@erichenningfeld Yes as created by the English State under Edward VI and Elizabeth I in the protestant tradition.

[@nedsantos1415]

They're not missed. That's all I have to say.

[@legacyandlegend]

They're only not missed if you're a liberal in favor of homosexuality and abortion. I pray for the souls of all the episcopal church. 🙏

[@hamilton9651]

You mean the "Whiskeypalian Church"? Their favorite Bible verse is "Where three or four are gathered there's always a fifth!".

[@RogerYng]

This is quite sympathetic to ACNA, but it avoids mentioning that they exist because of differences with the Episcopal Church and other mainstream Anglican Churches re the acceptance of (openly) gay people as members or as clergy. This has meant supporting, and being supported by African Anglican churches who have no problem with criminalization or the death penalty for gay people. To be frank, the issue of rejecting homosexuality is what brought ACNA into being and sustains it. In that, they are like many conservative denominations, but unlike mainstream Anglicanism. For example, many Anglicans have not taken the ultra-Protestant 39 Articles literally, almost from the time they appeared. Anglicanism has always been a Church of moderation and compromise, going back to Elizabeth I. Dressing up fundamentalists and homophobes in nice robes does not represent the spirit if Anglicanism, ACNA is, in fact, schismatic. It is not part of the Anglican Communion and is not in Communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury. It may have well-meaning people, but it lives in a male-dominated, exclusionary space created for itself.

[@Liutgard]

THANK YOU! This has been my observation and experience also. I was a member of an ECUSA parish here in Portland OR, and the went through hat is known as 'steeplejacking'. A group of conservatives from a local evangelical college joined the parish, were confirmed, and then set about getting into the vestry and other positions of authority. They were involved in appointing a very conservative priest. Eventually they were the majority in the vestry and other leadership. Cue the pearl-clutching over ordination of women, then gays, then women bishops, and then of course, Gene Robinson. and then, a young gay couple moved to the area- long standing Episcopalians, and of course they wanted to be able to serve in the parish... A series of secret meetings were held, a lot of stuff happening behind closed doors. Some really nasty gossip went around. And then suddenly, the vestry, which was packed with the 'Episcopalian in name only because we're actually conservative Baptists' group, called a meeting and brought to the parish a call to vote to leave the ECUSA and join the ACNA. A lot of the older members were completely sandbagged, and found that basically with no notice, they were asked to leave a church they'd been in all of their lives. The split was beyond traumatic. It divided families- there were even families that found that the younger members were aligning with the conservatives, and a number of them completely cut contact with their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc who wanted o remain in the ECUSA. Terrible words were spoken, hateful actions... About 80% of the parish followed these wolves in sheep's clothing and left. I arrived two weeks later (my then husband was on the Diocese council and knew what was happening) to find about a dozen people in the pews, shocked, traumatized, in deep mourning. And to add to it- we'd just consecrated a new Bishop, and after the consecration, what was on his desk that Monday morning, the first thing he had to deal with? The blow-up of St Matthew's. Those who voted to leave got the idea that since they were the majority, they would get to keep the buildings and affects, etc. It was not the case though, as these belonged to St Matthew's ECUSA- and a group leaving could not take ECUSA property with em. Things got ugly, and later that week the new Bishop had to go with a locksmith and a sheriff, and changed the locks on the building. The ACNA/steeplejackers left and started renting space in another nearby church. Those who were left eventually got back up to about 40 people from and remnant of 12. And we found that we could no longer just hire a supply priest from the retirees etc in the Diocese, but we had to hire one on our own. We got few applicants, largely because no one wanted the little hot potato of that parish. The candidate we ended up with turned out to be a mistake, a very young man (it was his first parish, and his ordination had been rushed) who could not get along with e the older members in particular, and he'd brought in a bunch of friends from outside who soon were in leadership (yup, again). Within 3 tears we were back down to a dozen people. The new priest and his friends left. I ended up being elected Senior warden, and had the unfortunate and painful job of having to call the vote to close the parish. We all cried as we voted. And then I had the task of putting the books into order, doing inventory, etc, pulling 73 years worth of stuff out of storage in the undercroft- everything from three shepherd's crooks and some truly hilarious shepherd costumes from the Christmas pageants, etc, to the builder's original plans for the building, and more than 70 years of archived Sunday bulletins... AND THIS IS THE SHORTENED, ABBREVIATED VERSION OF THE STORY. It was painful. It was ugly. And at the base of it all, it was because a group of professed Christians refused to love and serve alongside other Christians. It wasn't just non-loving. It was disgraceful. It was sinful. My Saviour told me to love my neighbor as myself. He did not say that I should love only my straight neighbor, or my white neighbor- He put no qualifiers or reservations into that command He said Love, period. And I chose to follow Him. And I will continue to do as best I can.

[@stardog7655]

Sounds like the ACNA is on the right path then. Thanks for the information.

[@Liutgard]

@@stardog7655 'the right path'???

[@Jimmy-iy9pl]

@@Liutgard I'm glad your apostate fake church imploded.

[@Jimmy-iy9pl]

The COE is a disgrace. There's nothing Christian about it. Btw, the 39 Articles were literally the defining statement of faith for the Church of England. Anglicanism IS Protestantism.

[@danarose6314]

Oh good-more division! Our Lord is so so happy!

[@edmundbanks1806]

I TAKE THE G4 ANGLICANS MORE ANGLO CATHOLIC TRADITIONAL AND THE MASS.

[@notcrazy6288]

I watch these videos, but I never watch him, because when i do, I stare..... That top button. It vexes me. Unbutton the top button please. PLEASE.

[@active6302]

The Anglican Church tried to be everything to everybody, ended up being nothing to nobody. This ACNA is just too late.

[@josephr.gainey2079]

The Continuing Anglican Churches were formed in 1977 after the "ordination" of women were too late as well and received little support from Episcopalians. They are consistent with there use (in the USA) of the 1929 Book of Common Prayer, their theology and basic beliefs, but, differ in liturgical details and leadership. Even with that common base line, they remain a fringe movement. In the ACNA, some dioceses aren't that conservative for they allow women "priests." Despite having issued their own Book of Common Prayer in 2019, there is no requirement that it be used by ACNA congregations. Certainly, some do use it. Others worship using the 1929 or 1979 editions of the American Prayer Book or that of the Reformed Episcopal Church issued in 2006 and possibly others. One diocese even uses the Church of England's Common Worship! (Also, the worship style varies greatly from ceremonial to pseudo-Pentecostal with guitars, bands, etc.) Each of these prayer books differs not only textually but doctrinally and in emphases, laying the groundwork for the possibility (probability, I would say) of multiple divisions and schisms. So, the ACNA may have come along not only too late to save the Episcopal Church but to save itself as well. Unless there are basic societal changes in the United States, even if ACNA averts schisms, it will certainly join the Continuing churches on the fringe of American--and even Anglican--religious life.

[@active6302]

@@josephr.gainey2079 what a mess

[@abcdfgeh5891]

Not very sensible.

[@PursuingHeaven]

This is a great video. However, I have to disagree with the theology of Anglicanism. There is NO Biblical basis for baptizing an infant. NONE. Yes, it is a church tradition, but not an accurate one. Biblical baptism is ONLY illustrated in scriptures on those who are old enough to make a public profession of faith and there is no precedence for baptism being a means of making a profession for the child until they are old enough to make the decision on their own. There is a Jewish temple tradition to dedicate a child to the Lord and raise them in the faith but this is NOT Chritian Baptism. Also, I do not believe there is ANY Biblical authority that gives a priest the power to "forgive sins" that ALONE rests in the hands of God through the sacrifice of Christ. This is clearly seen when Christ tells people their sins are forgiven and the religious leaders of the day get upset saying ONLY God has the power to forgive sin (and they are right but they did not know that Christ was the Lamb). The writers of the NT were specifically moved by the Holy Spirit to include those passages for a reason. God alone has the power to forgive sin and that is when you confess Christ as your Savior and you have no need for a priest. Christ is our priest and mediator. I love my Anglican siblings in the faith, but I feel in this area they are sided more with Catholicism and not with the Bible. I do not believe tradition trumps Scripture and it is what sets Protestants apart.

[@polemeros]

It's also a church tradition to decide which books make up the Bible in the first place.

[@richlopez4466]

The apostles baptized infants which was the replacement for infant circumcision.The successors of the apostles were the Early Church Fathers and they all baptized infants.The much later notion of excluding infants from a proper baptism came from the Anabaptist sect in the 1600's

[@RepublicofE]

There's nowhere in the Bible where women are baptized either.

[@amyleigh423]

@@RepublicofE Lydia. Acts 16:15

[@RepublicofE]

@@amyleigh423My faux pa. However, I'm *pretty sure* there's nowhere where women are communed.

[@matthewhartt5887]

What is it? A failed experiment!

[@anglomik]

Left-leaning evangelicals DISGUISED as Anglicans.

[@nicholassmirz6041]

?? They're more conservative than Episcopalians

[@vincentcoppola9832]

@@nicholassmirz6041 Yes, ACNA is quite conservative.

[@urnamehere9237]

Yup. AT best, many ACNA members are more conservative than Episcopalians...but that's about it.

[@josephr.gainey2079]

@@vincentcoppola9832 Some congregations and dioceses aren't that conservative for they allow women clergy. (Some of these people would also welcome women bishops as well.) They just don't want an openly gay bishop--male or female--which is hypocritical because that is the logical outcome when you ignore Biblical norms and "ordained" women. If you can have one, you can certainly make a case for have the other.

[@vincentcoppola9832]

@@josephr.gainey2079 I agree.

[@Gospel_Street_Preacher]

No thanks if your "church" can't accept what the Scriptures teach regarding creation

[@josephr.gainey2079]

Which version of the creation story and what teachings are you referring to? There are two creation stories in the Bible. The first creation story in Genesis 1-2:3 or the second one (the Adam and Eve creation story in Genesis 2:4-3:24)? They are different and do not agree in the order of creation. For example, in Genesis 1 men and women are created at the same time (Gen. 1:26-28). Woman is created separately from man in Genesis 2:21-24. In the Adam and Eve account (Gen. 2:19-20), animals are created after Adam to be his companions , but, in Gen 1:20-25 animals are created BEFORE man. The two accounts are contradictory in other details as well. The only logical way to look at this is to say creation could have happened in the order of Genesis 1 or that of Genesis 2:4. It really doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that either way God was the creator and designer of all that exists. Also, by having two creation stories, the Bible could be subtley saying that it is none of man's business how creation took place, and, yes, since the Hebrew word translated "day" in the King James Version can also be applied to an age, an extended period of creation is a possibility. The days of creation certainly couldn't be the 24-hour days we know now for the sun and moon which mark our days and nights weren't created until Day 4 in Genesis 1!

[@ransome51]

@@josephr.gainey2079 Brilliant comment

[@josephr.gainey2079]

​@@ransome51 Thank you!! You would be surprised how many "Bible readers" (including ministers!) miss this difference although it is obvious IF you are paying attention to what you are reading. I still remember the reaction of my grandmother, who had literally read through the Bible well over a hundred times, when asked about this. When I pressed her on the issue, she literally became hysterical and screamed at the top of her voice over and over again "If it's in the Bible I believe it!!!!!! If it's in the Bible I believe it!!!!! Praise Jesus!!!!!! Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!! If it's in the Bible I believe it!!!!!!!!!!!" Grandma absolutely refused to acknowledge the difference between the two even when I listed the orders of creation on paper with her reading the account. She also refused to look up words in a dictionary that she came across in the KJV which she didn't know what they meant. According to her, these were "hard Bible words" that God would let us know what the definitions were when we got to heaven. This was the mindset of the whole family. They reveled in their ignorance and made fun of me for learning and using correct grammar. Mother wanted me to go to college only because it would be something she could brag about because no one else in the family had ever done so. Grandma prayed and fasted for months that God would send something to prevent me from doing so, One of her sisters wanted me to do "something useful" like drive a truck or work in the mill. "All you can do is write books," she complained. I abandoned their narrow-minded ignorant vision as quickly as I could. (I'm glad I'm adopted.) Such is evangelical fundamentalism.

[@josephr.gainey2079]

You still haven't answered my question "Which version of the creation story and what teachings are you referring to?"

[@MissingTrails]

I subscribe to the cosmic temple view of Genesis 1-2. Perhaps its greatest strength is in shedding light on the phrase "image of God." Reject concordism, embrace accomodationism.