Lutheran Denominations Masterclass (2023)

[@newglof9558]

I'm a Catholic in Minnesota and I have both a curiosity and admiration for the Lutherans. The Lutherans have a "quietly joyful dignity" about them that I can't really describe. And I've met a lot of them (obviously living in Minnesota) from all sorts of walks of life: lower-income/education working class Lutherans, business owner Lutherans, academic Lutherans, higher income Lutherans, Lutheran pastors. I've met smart Lutherans, dumb Lutherans, polemical Lutherans, ecumenical Lutherans, ELCA, WELS, LCMS, LCMC, probably a few more. And they all have this "quietly joyful dignity." Not to say that Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Reformed, evangelicals, or others don't also at times have this (they all have their own things that I admire and can extrapolate about), but the "quietly joyful dignity" is unique to the Lutheran. This Catholic is a friend of you Lutherans.

[@logicaredux5205]

And this Lutheran thanks God to be in the “one holy catholic and apostolic” church with you!❤️✝️

[@jonathanhamilton2504]

Blessings from a Lutheran brother in Christ! Your kind words are appreciated! May the Lord bless and keep you in the promise of your baptism, brother!

[@logicaredux5205]

@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh Nah. I’m half Swedish. Without Christ we are the most morose depressed people you’ll ever meet.

[@newglof9558]

@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh I can see why you'd say that, but I'm in a fairly culturally German area in Minnesota, and Germany is about as Catholic as it is Lutheran (especially here, the split is down the middle). There's a distinction between the Scandinavian-American atheists, the German-American Catholics and the German-American/Scandinavian-American Lutherans. That's what I'm trying to pinpoint.

[@AnthonyGargini]

I'm from the South, so I've never met a Lutheran in my 46 years.

[@Robert-vv6qp]

I'm LCMS. This is great.

[@jeffking4176]

I used to cut through Concordia Seminary grounds as a short cut. 😁

[@legacyandlegend]

I converted into lutheranism last year. Your video on the lcms really helped me, so this brings back good memories. Thanks Josh.

[@albertito77]

Where from?

[@legacyandlegend]

@@albertito77 Pentecostalism. I found out it doesn't line up with scripture.

[@geodavras]

🤡

[@Zamiwellwell]

cult

[@legacyandlegend]

@zami777_ Not true. They tell you what they believe. You don't have to believe it. You can always go to another church. Strict doctrinal unity isn't a cult. It's what the bible teaches. Ignorant comment...

[@logicaredux5205]

I’m a Lutheran and I approve this message!😃

[@stephanottawa7890]

How can you make such a statement with such a varied presentation? These groups have little in common, only the name of Lutheran.

[@logicaredux5205]

@@stephanottawa7890 Yes! I approve that too. I want the world to know how little in common there is because it becomes harder to lump us all together. It helps, as a Missouri Synod Lutheran, to illustrate to others why we have our position on alter and pulpit fellowship. It helps to explain why I can often have greater respect for some denominations outside “Lutheranism” than I do for some who merely share the name through an accident of former history.

[@theKingsJester88]

​@@stephanottawa7890to be clear ELCA is not confessional Lutheran. Confessional Lutherans have a lot in common. If one does not affirm that the Book of Concord is an accurate interpretation of the Bible they are NOT confessional Lutheran. Honestly they shouldn't be referenced as group that represents Lutheran. As you stated they are Lutheran in name only.

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

@@stephanottawa7890 For theologically conservative online types? Sure. For the good and decent people who fill the pews at ELCA and LCMS churches? They’re very similar. Most Lutherans reject the woke nonsense from national ELCA leadership AND the Baptist-esque fundamentalism from some LCMS types.

[@Kasadilla1]

This has come at an amazing time. I’m interested in Lutheranism. I literally just finished reading the preface of Luther’s small catechism when this dropped

[@Jmr6813]

Same with me! I have been interested in Lutheranism. I bought the Book of Concord this morning and then saw that this video came out.

[@perilousrange]

I'm learning as well. In Catechism class with an LCMS pastor. I find that the additional Explanation of the Small Catechism is really helpful.

[@johnhouchins3156]

​@@Jmr6813 Welcome! And may I suggest the Small Catechism as well. It's written is simplistic form, backed with Scripture citations and is an easier way to understand what we believe than the more comprehensive and nuanced Confessions proper (All of which SHOULD be studied later with guidance and oversight of perhaps a Pastor.) The small Catechism was written by Luther with the idea of a father teaching his children in mind.

[@Jmr6813]

@@johnhouchins3156 Thank you! I will get that also!

[@angiebee2225]

We became an LCMS household this year. Our pastor went through the Small Catechism with Explanation with the adult Bible study and started it just after Pentecost. We were confirmed the first Sunday of Advent. It has been a journey, but a wonderful journey.

[@thomaschopp6430]

Very informative for us Bible believing Lutherans and also non-Lutherans. I just read "Martin Lutheran and the Role of Faith" by Todd Hains about the regular use of Luther's Small Catechism.

[@MenwithHill]

Hell yeah, a big thick sandwich of dominational knowledge, thank you much Joshua.

[@georgeramos3437]

Are you really going to comment with “Hell” yeah to a video such as this? How about a wiser choice of language considering where you are at such as “Heavens” yes?

[@cosmichrist]

I just started attending an LCMS church a year ago after being pentecostal for decades. Your video was super helpful.

[@dinospumoni5611]

Definitely a step in the right direction lol

[@mikegleason3921]

Thanks for this thorough look at Lutheran denominations. As always you seem to have done a masterful job of presenting each.

[@caryyurk1388]

This is an excellent synopsis of the core doctrinal standards of the LCMS! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥

[@BramptonAnglican]

Thanks for the great video.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

You are welcome. Thanks for watching, I see your comments quite a bit and glad to have you as a viewer.

[@BramptonAnglican]

@@ReadyToHarvestthank you. Love your videos. I enjoy a lot of the similarities between Canada and the USA.

[@DireTribble]

Very useful and timely as I've been learning about Lutheranism. I had been speaking with a pastor yesterday of a Lutheran church here in my town and I began to have some concerns when he said he doesn't get along with the ELCA he is a part of. I watched some of his services here on KZbin and it's totally Prosperity Gospel he's presenting each week. He's definitely doing his own thing. I can't imagine the ELCA would approve of how he's presenting the gospel. If so I'd be even more shocked.

[@jacksprattt6396]

Sadly for many in the ELCA their 'gospel' is social justice.

[@jamesellis4035]

Move to an lcms church

[@alswearingen323]

Not sure why ELCA would disapprove of any heretical woke nonsense.

[@sporeguy-l4b]

Baptized ELCA, confirmed LCMC, and I recently became an LCMS member. I even learned stuff from your comparison between the three!

[@RealHorhay]

You're a real one for this

[@RealHorhay]

Also first?

[@safetynerd8976]

When you listen to the clip of the elca minister I think it becomes obvious why lcms will not join them.

[@TheodenEdnewDoesDnD]

You are FANTASTIC

[@bbharat307]

Amazing brother.Thank you

[@guyparker1749]

"Free will". What's good for the goose ,good for the gander..that's a loaded ,statement.nook and puff magic..well done..

[@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj]

Thank you, Joshua ⭐🌹⭐

[@onliwankannoli]

Wow. Never thought I would hear Dr. Manteufel mentioned in a KZbin video. The little old man was a theological heavyweight!

[@tythe06animatoralt]

I’m ELCA. This video is awesome!

[@MeakH1]

Come back to the true church of Lutheranism. ELCA doesn't adhere to Book of Concord.

[@tythe06animatoralt]

@@MeakH1 We (at least our church) keeps the Augsburg confessions.

[@MeakH1]

@tythe06animatoralt you gotta go more further than that and split from ELCA. Most ELCA churches don't adhere to Book of Concord

[@stevekohl5351]

NO! The ELCA is the true church of Lutheranism. The LCMS is blinded by its male hierarchy and harsh view of ecumenical relations with other churches.

[@MalachiWhite-tw7hl]

I left my ELCA church when they spent more of April celebrating "Earth Day" than Easter.

[@ianpardue2615]

Can you do a video on the Old Apostolic Lutheran Church?

[@BLWSquared]

Yes! I’m very interested in this too!

[@ianpardue2615]

@@BLWSquared Not enough information about the laestadians and their beliefs. I've even looked on KZbin, still no luck. I want to know how some of the firstborn laestadians, require head coverings, like the Anabaptists and some of the Reformed do, while still subscribing to the UAC, which includes the article on ecclesiastical power, which lists it as a custom or cultural practice, unlike other creeds and confessions.

[@johnhouchins3156]

I'm a WELS Lutheran and found this to be fair.

[@craigbenz4835]

The only notable (to me) missing body is the CLC, the Church of the Lutheran Confession. They split from the WELS before the WELS left the Synodical Conference because the WELS didn't leave soon enough. My congregation was part of them, but eventually went back to the WELS.

[@nikkicyrier]

Can you explain the differences between LCMS and Roman Catholic? I'm just trying to understand their divergence

[@angiebee2225]

LCMS doesn't acknowledge a difference between sins - sin is sin is sin. Roman Catholics have categories of sins and say that some are forgiven in the Eucharist and others must be forgiven by a priest via confession and absolution. LCMS liturgy contains a confession and absolution section at the beginning of the service and individual confession is the exception rather than the rule. LCMS teaches that Mary is blessed above all women because of what God did through her and consider her exceptional, but do not pray to her or to any saints. Saints are positive examples of faith that are remembered throughout the year in recommended readings. Roman Catholics practice praying to the saints and to Mary. There's a lot of tradition about Mary in Catholicism that was not retained by the Lutherans. LCMS allows pastors to marry and enter service married. The Roman Catholic Church has retained the practice of requiring priests to take vows of celibacy. Historically, the selling of indulgences was a major reason Luther attempted to reform the Catholic church. While that is not something we hear a lot about today, it's still allowed by the RCC. A major difference is the Pope, of course. Both groups will say they believe in the real presence of Christ in communion/Eucharist, but they disagree on how that works. Lutherans observe or acknowledge fewer Sacraments. RCC upholds tradition and Scripture, and LCMS relies only on the Bible for doctrine, though they do look at historical understanding of passages and refer to various early church theologians. There are additional differences, but these are some of the easier ones to explain. There is still a lot held in common. Most faithful in both consider each other brothers and sisters in Christ with errors in their beliefs.

[@nikkicyrier]

@angiebee2225 oh my goodness, I'm so grateful for such a beautiful answer and thoughtfully expressed! TRULY I am grateful to you!! The time you took to write that and it so thoughtfully expressed!!!! Thank you truly, you are a generous soul - I appreciate your kindness!!! *hugs*

[@Richard-f4b4r]

@@angiebee2225 That was a very good answer!

[@JoelRipke]

I like the LCMS

[@JamesW225]

Is it like....cathilic light?

[@tomkoon4260]

Some Lutherans might say Catholic right

[@sporeguy-l4b]

Evangelical Catholic is our original name

[@Jeff9876-k4g]

As a former member of the ELCA when a Church leaves the organization if it keeps it property is dependent on which of there prior denominations they belong to before the formation of the ELCA. The ELCA wants to keep the church grounds all new church’s have that in their contract but they can’t change old contracts. So sorry you are wrong on the churches keeping their grounds the answer is it depends.

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

I am Evangelical Lutheran

[@stephanottawa7890]

Not sure what is meant by using white wine in the ELCA. I thought Lutherans preferred red as symbolizing the blood.

[@jacksprattt6396]

The ELCA is not Lutheran.

[@stevekohl5351]

jacksorattt6396 WRONG! The LCMS is not Lutheran.

[@jacksprattt6396]

@@stevekohl5351 LOL

[@stevekohl5351]

jacksprattt6396 It is your soul.

[@jacksprattt6396]

@@stevekohl5351 I laughed because you said the LCMS is not Lutheran -- why would you say that?

[@albertito77]

19:33 LCMS have "high church" views on the sacraments. How then can some congregations fail to live this out in corporate, liturgical worship?

[@stephaniebarth8202]

Thanks for the informative video. Your video editing is great! I noticed that the section on the ELCA was not presented as factually neutral as the others.

[@angiebee2225]

Yeah, although the ELCA's denial of the inerrancy of Scripture and their evolving theology is really hard to talk about completely objectively, because it really does mean that ELCA churches are all over the map with what they actually teach. The spots where he moves out of full objectivity are those where ELCA has chosen to ignore the Bible and do their own thing, which sometimes moves into some weird practice.

[@guyparker1749]

I started your,video, should be in front of the elca..they don't (didn't) know that .at 38 minutes you have in tears at 48 minutes ,I know how I feel..3hrs I had not noticed..so time out..

[@knightsofstjoan2004]

Evangelical Lutheranism is dominant in Scandinavian countries.

[@albertito77]

Sad😢😢😢

[@cantrait7311]

How many Lutheran denominations are there

[@slor5514]

Probably be 6hrs if it was about the baptists

[@jeffking4176]

@@slor5514 FAR more Baptists - not including those many many Independent organizations, and individual -unaffiliated.😮

[@ianpardue2615]

Once I move to the city, I'm going to go to LCMS, solely because that is the only Lutheran denomination in my area in Mississippi, if you exclude ELCA, which should just drop Lutheran from its name, after the Sparkle Creed. From reading the Book of Concord, I know it teaches what the Bible says, so any confessional Lutheran Church is better than nothing.

[@PNL-DJ-1]

The LCMS group may not let you in. Whether or not a group is Christian or not is the same difference if someone is Lutheran or not. It is up to them to say who they are, not the rest of us.

[@lanetrain]

LCMS is a great choice!

[@ianpardue2615]

@@PNL-DJ-1 I wasn't asking for anyone's approval on here. That certainly came out of left field.

[@PNL-DJ-1]

@@ianpardue2615 - to paraphrase Joshua about whether or not a group is Christian or not, he essentially said, “you are if you say you are”. Using that analogy, if you say you are Lutheran, you are a Lutheran. I encourage you to be whatever you want to be. That is what the US is about. I didn’t think you were asking permission about joining.

[@ianpardue2615]

@@PNL-DJ-1 I disagree. If that was the case, then ELCA would be Lutheran. But in reality, they're Lutheran in name only. Doctrinal unity is key. Not the name attached to the denomination. If you disagree with the creed of the Church, you shouldn't go there. I'm about to start Catechism classes for confirmation. Even though I ain't a regular member, the LCMS pastor understands my distance problems.

[@EliB207]

Presbyterian next?

[@brucerussell6849]

What do Lutheran denominations who call themselves Evangelical mean by that today?

[@zacharyahearn4069]

Ngl this Luther guy seems pretty Catholic. -Catholic learning about Luther

[@stst77]

Good grief all these other denominations only need 1-4 MINUTES to explain their beliefs but Lutherans need 3 HOURS!

[@IsaiahJohnsonTIReviews]

Wow. This is amazing!

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

The only issue I see is the issue on Calvinism and TULIP. Lutherans believe in far more of TULIP then just T. We agree with parts of unconditional election (the elected are not elected on merit) but we do not affirm double pre destination or the election of the reprobate. With Perserverence of the saints, we agree that the elect perserve, we do not agree that faithful people can however not commit apostasy

[@zacharyahearn4069]

Great to learn all the different heresies.

[@elpastorluterano]

LCMC❤

[@sporeguy-l4b]

It's nice to see LCMC receive some love with this video

[@bobbystclaire]

The Missouri synod lutheran, or founded by immigrants from Prussia, who didn't want to belong to the official Protestant Church which had both those in the Lutheran confession in those in the reformed or precisely calvinist professional.😮

[@didymussumydid9726]

That elca broad is a sad story.

[@specialteams28]

Hail Pope Luther!

[@jamesellis4035]

Said no Lutheran ever.

[@specialteams28]

@@jamesellis4035 actions speak louder than words follower of Luther

[@jamesellis4035]

@@specialteams28 we follow the confessions of the church in the book of concord which most of Luther’s works are not in so try again another day

[@CamGaylor]

@jamesellis4035 the guys name is special teams but it should be special Ed lol

[@davidmiller3539]

The fact that this has need of being 3 hours long should say it all.

[@funbukit5366]

please do this for mennonites.

[@ScotsIrishman]

ELCA aren’t even Christian much less Lutheran

[@JamesPreus]

For the record, the WELS is not 'more conservative than the LCMS, it's just more rigid. Rigid does not equal conservative. They have in many ways compleatly abandoned traditional Chorals and Liturgy, and their preaching is just feel good junk.

[@jasonharris2291]

Agree. They are strict on paper, but more rooted in Pietism and Romophobia.

[@evaneparat]

As a former Missouri Synod Lutheran, this used to irritate me to no end. The Wisconsin Synod is largely said to be "more conservative" due to their policy on female participation in ecclesiastical offices, on account of their hyper-Waltherian concept of the ministry being actualized in positions beyond the pastorate. If anything, a lower view of the ministry is more theologically-liberal. Perhaps the WELS used to be rigid in practice, nowadays that rigidity seems to be mostly theoretical. At my alma mater, CUW, we used to have seminarians from Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary come to our chapel services on a somewhat regular basis.

[@CornCod1]

Most WELS congregations do not practice contemporary worship.

[@johnhouchins3156]

@@evaneparat Wow. Not the WELS I know. Interesting to me that it seems you have disagreements with Walther.

[@jacksprattt6396]

@@CornCod1 Most do practice contemporary worship.

[@guyparker1749]

1: o4..

[@bradfordbogan7248]

Why do you question the ELCA? and the ELCA does require their ministers to be Lutheran and adhere to the Book of concord. What is my source? I am an ELCA ordained minister.

[@bradfordbogan7248]

exactly what Pr. Kleinhans says

[@jacksprattt6396]

The ELCA formally rejected the Lutheran Confessions several years ago at one of their conventions - they are no longer Lutheran. ELCA churches can have a Methodist, United Church of Christ or an Episcopalian pastor to be their pastor.

[@livingbeings]

Wow, three hours, no chapter markers, no timestamps

[@philipschaffer9414]

Read Leviticus 5:5 through 5:6

[@wiguy3462]

Let's tell the truth, EVERY religion picks and chooses what to follow from the Bible, and even over time made their own rules to follow. I personally know some atheists that are more Christian than church goers. So what you are doing is just pointing that out.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

Which of these support polygamy, like Martin Luther did? Even putting his name on a letter giving permission to a German Prince, who asked if it was okay for him to take a second wife while married to his first wife.

[@jamesellis4035]

No confessional Lutheran church allows polygamy it goes against our confessions in the book of concord.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

@@jamesellis4035 So there aren't any Lutheran denominations that Martin Luther would recognize as the one he started? It's probably the same with all the Reformers. Over 46,000 Christian churches and likely none of them would resemble what the Reformers created.

[@jamesellis4035]

@@bartonbagnes4605 Luther ain’t the pope we only affirm and teach from what is affirmed in the book of concord the Lutheran confessions. We do not affirm every thing Luther has said or done. Polygamy is a sin anyways. Turn away from Mormonism and repent.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

@@jamesellis4035 Show me any verse in the Bible that says polygamy is a sin, or even forbidden. I know in the law of Moses God commands a brother to marry the wife of any brother that dies childless for the purpose of raising up seed in his brother's name, or be publicly condemned and ostracized, no exception for if they are already married. Why did God command polygamy in this case? So that the inheritance of Israel would stay in Israel, so that no non Isrealite could legally claim any part of the land of Israel when God restores the kingdom of Israel for the children of Israel's return. Besides, I'm quite happy being a member of the most charitable Christian church by far, the most devout Christian church, the most Bible literate, the wealthiest, even with giving so much to help the poor and needy all over the world, and the Christian church whose members live on average ten years longer than any other Christian churches. Not to mention among the fastest growing churches in the world, and usually the fastest growing church in the United States Of America, in spite of fulfilling the prophecies Jesus Christ gave about his true followers, "Ye will be hated of all men for my name's sake.", "Blessed are you when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my name's sake. Rejoice and be exceeding glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you." So why aren't the leaders of other churches evil spoken of? Unless they actually commit adultery or embezzlement or worse. It's like the devil doesn't care what they are doing. But Jesus Christ said," A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, neither can an evil tree produce good fruit." and "Ye shall know them by their fruit." Why would I leave the church that is producing good fruit, that every penny of charity goes to the poor and needy, and not to anyone running those programs, unlike every other church, that do charity for their own profit. Those running the charities in The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints are all volunteers, donating their time and their labor to help their neighbors around the world. But it did prophecy of the last days in the Old Testament that "Darkness will cover the earth, and deep darkness the minds of the people." This darkness is blinding the people from even looking at the truth, for their hearts are set on the things of the world. The items and ideas of the world. I will continue to repent daily, for only one man never sinned, and that's Jesus Christ. I will be like Paul, I will press towards the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, and I will not assume that I have already attained it or were already perfect. I will not be like King Saul, who the LORD said was a man after his own heart when he called him to be king of Israel, but rebelled against God, and at the end of his life was possessed by a demon. I will follow the church that teaches the Gospel that Paul gives in Hebrews 6: 1-2. I will follow the church that believes what Peter told the first converts in Acts chapter 2 when they asked "Men and Brethren, what must we do?" And Peter said that this instruction was for them, and their children, and all that are afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call. When you got the call, why did you turn away to answer the call of a man instead?

[@albertito77]

Why have European Lutuerans gone so totally apostate?

[@jamesellis4035]

Because Western Europe is a liberal state

[@iBMcFly]

I’m a follower of Jesus Christ, which is why I refer to myself as Christian. It always was a mystery to me why Lutherans referred to themselves and not Christians…like I’m following Jesus, who is God in the flesh, worthy of my worship. I don’t know about referring to myself as a follower of another man. Is this something talked about and highlighted or brushed aside and ignored? Thank you for you time and videos. EDIT-also reference the lords supper being literal, in John 6:63 Jesus literally confronts the potential offensive nature of the matter and clearly states that what he said was not only a spiritual matter, but a matter a life and hence death. It’s not a literal eating flesh and drinking blood.

[@jackemmakem]

They do refer to themselves as Christians. Lets say you live in Dallas texas, saying you're from Dallas doesn't mean you're not also a Texan. Saying you're a Texan doesn't mean you're not also an American. Saying you're an American doesn't mean you're not also an earthling. Calling yourself a Lutheran is calling yourself a Christian because Lutherans are a subgroup of the group Christians.

[@victoryinchristlutheranchu5432]

As a Lutheran Pastor in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, I always refer to my members first and foremost as Christians, or believers, or saints. Their identity is rooted in their baptism into Christ. God has called them His children, and thus they are Christians. Lutherans do not worship Luther. Lutherans originally referred to themselves as Evangelicals in the 16th century simply to distinguish themselves from Roman Catholics. Rome used the term Lutheran as pejorative, but the name stuck.

[@RayRice-lr8vi]

Paul said to "Follow me as I follow Christ..." don't confuse the following of a man, or dividing unnecessarily as the Bible warns of, with having a label that describes a set of beliefs and identifies those who believe similarly. It just happens to be a name attached to someone else.

[@tomkoon4260]

I believe that we tend to refer to ourselves as Lutheran to distinguish from other Chrisitan denominations. We do not want to be lumped into a common contemporary American misconception when Americans hear "Christian." We do have substantial differences with those with a Calvinist or Eastern Orthodox/ Roman Catholic base in their theology which goes back to Europe and the Reformation. Historically in the US, Lutherans were more of an ethnic church in the US because most of its members being of Scandinavian, German or Slavic origins and not the British Isles.

[@obscuredictionary3263]

Early Lutheran’s and even many modern lutherans don’t like the title. It was not something they picked it was a name others placed onto them.

[@guyparker1749]

Well my friend,at1.34 may I convey,,To be Lutheran,common belief's.under a premiss of subjection ,humility,servicetude.to cannons of that which is Lutheran,worldliness.Freedom of choice ,free will..if one cannot confirm to it. The first thing then that becomes just , nonmeritas those outside them, the world,the world..isn't that funny. So they turn it around or make it good to them..Them can leave..and I'll buy their bus tickets..then you have the good old boys, I'm a sinner..and I Repent..heritage at first.which I am..today w/ help of Concordia they saxonise the whole body .just then..who's the servant and who' are we. when? Jesus from Nazareth,he alone.

[@Ancient-Paths]

How blasphemous this Church really is ...

[@Foggybottom45543]

This is the most biblical church in the us

[@jamesellis4035]

Where is the blasphemy?

[@Ancient-Paths]

@@jamesellis4035 I love Lutherans ... but the doctrine is unbiblical. [1] Lutherans do not believe in free will with regard to salvation. [2] Lutherans pray the Rosary. [3] Lutherans believe in baptismal regeneration (that baptism is necessary for salvation) and that immersion is not necessary (just sprinkling). Therefore, they cannot believe we are saved by grace alone. [4] Lutherans ordain women. [5] Lutherans believe in the “real presence” that the Body and Blood of Christ are "truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms" of consecrated bread and wine (the elements), so that communicants eat and drink both the elements and the true Body and Blood of Christ himself, in the Sacrament of the Eucharist. [6] Some Lutheran churches are supportive of LGBTQ rights and ordain sodomites. [7] A Lutheran pastor (male and female) gives absolution of sins to his congregation. But surely, only God can forgive sins - because HE is the offended party, and only HE knows if the person is truly repentant? [8] Is it really more reverent to have men leading worship in frocks? Now I am being flippant! I suppose you could say they are followers of a man - rather than followers of Christ. And some say they are simply modified Roman Catholics. I would not say that - but there is certainly an aura of Catholicism in their faith and worship.

[@Richard-f4b4r]

@ You're very confused. Apparently you didn't watch the video where he discussed the differences between Lutheran denominations. your statement is over-broad and ignorant.