[REAL ATC] AeroUnion B762 suffers a BIRDSTRIKE out of LAX!

[@VASAviation]

**IMPORTANT!** This video shows a radar screen simulation according to Flight Radar 24 data. The simulator is still in progress and some of the data shown may not be correct or in sync with the audio. A lot of work is ahead to improve. I'd like you all to comment how useful you find this radar in order to visualize every traffic around and that also appears in the audio. With this new feature, we know where everyone is so our knowledge of the situation increases. We're still working to get it working perfectly.

[@vaporized1000]

I donno mate. I love your channel but I think the simple map and animated planes is more visually pleasing and more simple for people to understand.

[@msnpassjan2004]

Agree, the normal animations are much easier to follow.

[@petermichaelgreen]

The problem with the simulated radar view is that at default youtube sizes/resoloutions it is simply unreadable. Maybe it would be readable in fullscreen HD but I expect that is not how most people view youtube.

[@msnpassjan2004]

I watched in full screen 720 HD on a 28 inch ASUS gaming monitor and many of the text characters could not be read. All of the text was too small for recreational reading, it was more like trying to decipher the text.

[@Boodieman72]

The information in the flight boxes are too small to read.

[@JillianM7301]

I'm always so impressed by ATC. They are real heroes that don't get enough day to day recognition by the general public. Thanks for keeping us safe!

[@gavinsingh4450]

Keep living in your dream world!!! Seems like every occupation, every job is a hero!!!

[@Rwalt61]

@@gavinsingh4450 Some are more heroes than others. Swabbing toilets are heroes. (Sarcasm). Baristas at Starbucks.( Again more Sarcasm.)

[@saulmendoza9408]

Legend says Fedex still waiting

[@VASAviation]

HAHAHAH! Not shown in the video but they took off a couple minutes after TNO landed: D

[@MarkBrandonAviation]

Great job to the ATC, really were very professional, this is why they deserve the big bucks!

[@poker_18rs92]

The pilot for American 157 was so easy to understand & very professional. I'd fly on his aircraft any day. Great coverage!

[@smaze1782]

VAS, I can not commend you enough for your efforts. It’s obvious these videos take some time to produce and they are top notch. The professionalism of both the crew and ATC in this instance is enjoyable to listen to. Looking forward to your next video, Sir.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks very much for your comment. Much appreciated :)

[@canadianplanespotter]

Picture of the year right on the thumbnail. Now every news channel will show that image when reporting a Cessna 172 crash landing on a local highway...

[@GetOutsideYourself]

I was thinking the same thing. That image was incredible.

[@apolloactual7666]

😂 best comment

[@livewellwitheds6885]

lol!

[@Daishi0861]

Nice video! Excellent professionalism from the controller and a safe landing by the pilot. Happy days.

[@ericb9426]

I like how the pilot didn't allow himself to be rushed and did what he needed. Good work on ATC too offering options but accepting the "wait" response.

[@Whiskypapa]

In case of emergency: Aviate -> navigate -> communicate. In that order. So yes, professional and correct actions from all parties. One of the many reasons I love these videos.

[@vincentt.367]

ATC was top notch, and so did many of the airplanes who couldn't land with this emergency. Thanks Vas!

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for watching! :)

[@danvaldivia6155]

I like the old style much better. If it ain’t broken don’t fix it. The way they were before are why I fell in love with this channel.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for the feedback, Dan.

[@furyofbongos]

As a non-aviation professional who likes stuff like this I also prefer the old way.

[@ilovechieftains]

Great job all around. The pilots did an amazing job!

[@BillClay88]

Awesome listening to them work. Underrated and underappreciated like so many jobs.

[@maroon9980]

I personally preferred the older style! If i had to choose what it should be like, i would say Flightradar24 with Satellite map.

[@UncleEarl97]

Agreed, great content but really hard to read the small pixelated flight info at 1080P. Please return to the older format, much friendlier to follow and read. Thanks!

[@TheSimulationGamer]

4:39 His reactions was really good to see the engine fire from Aerounion 301 (B763)

[@officialspaceefrain]

High quality photos! It gets better. Thank you for the video.

[@rzero21]

To be honest, I prefer the videos that don't have such long pauses between comms. Don't know about others, but time is precious and I would prefer a thousand times videos not being in sync with radar data/real time. EDIT: Just finished watching/hearing the video after fast forwarding too much. I prefer the old style of your videos that trims down the time between comms. Sorry but I feel this is just a waste of time with such long pauses and comms being presented in real time.

[@randgate]

I like seeing the tracks, but having it on a 5x would be better with non-relevant coms stripped. Still much better job than I could do / better than nothing / appreciated anyway. EDIT: Actually, it's kinda good to see what other traffic controller is dealing with / context.

[@Joshdavies146]

Agreed

[@msnpassjan2004]

I have an ASUS gaming monitor and still could not make out what was on the screen. Still, thumbs up on the vid for the effort.

[@FlyingMaxFr]

Me too, tbh not much time to watch videos anymore but don't want to miss any of YOUR videos!

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for the feedback. This was just a test in real time to see what you guys think. I can certainly trim the video and make it shorter. The tag text will also be bigger in future videos. By the way, old style will still be there in some situation where this feature cannot be applied.

[@Kevinmoran14]

Good job by the pilots in returning to the field and making such a tight downwind turn and didn’t complain about smoke from the fires in the LA area which are keeping smoke under 3,500. I was at the viewing spot in Imperial Hwy and it was indeed a bird strike.. a little surprise he didn’t land 24R since it was easier but props regardless

[@DjRay1967]

Kevin Moran I observed this flying very low over my house. I live close to Santa Monica Airport and knew that this plane is not coming in to land there. It flew over here at 1500 ft. and knew this plane was in trouble. When it came over I didn’t see any smoke from the engine so probably he already had put the fire out by then. Thank goodness it made it back successfully. Had no idea till now that it was a bird strike.

[@Kevinmoran14]

Dj Ray Dj Ray he fired his equivalent of on board fire extinguisher on his number 2 engine and shut it down but the whole time I saw it turn and land there was white smoke coming out the whole time. Maybe your view was obstructed since it was a right wind turn

[@andrewmckibbins4720]

I’m not to sure if it was a bird strike...

[@Rsmok3r]

it wasnt a bird strike and we chose 25L because thats the one we are very familiar with , thats the runway we use everyday and also because of the length

[@Kevinmoran14]

Rsmok3r makes sense on the runway.. I didn’t sound like a compressor stall either from the ground

[@Kalikus808]

Super glad everyone is safe!

[@mikecowen6507]

Nice work, Victor! I prefer to have less dead air during the slow spots. The radar view is interesting, but the text is WAY too small to be useful on a mobile device. It's microscopic.

[@VASAviation]

Hi Mike, we have worked an update to increase the size of the aircraft tags ;)

[@UncleEarl97]

VASAviation, glad to hear this! I really liked the older style with different colors of little plane and text to help differentiate between flights, and the airport layout instead of the small tags on a radar map. You'll get more views by us non pilots. :) Thanks!

[@aneng64]

Having watched quite a few of these, one thing stands out - the controllers can't just shut up and let the crew handle the emergency. They are always calling the aircraft to ask questions that can wait, or offer endless permutations of runways etc. I know they mean well but if you're on the flight deck and you've got alarms going and you're trying to handle the emergency correctly by the checklists, you really don't need someone distracting you every few seconds with non-critical messages. They flight crew will contact ATC at an appropriate moment.

[@CMDRFandragon]

Legend has it, bird strikes is how the food production facilities make shredded chicken.

[@carstorm85]

Love the new format! Some suggestions: 1. Make the text bigger. I watched this full screen on a 32" monitor so had very little trouble but usually I watch on mobile and this would of been impossible to read. 2. Highlight the plane that is talking so that you can quickly and easily follow along, this could be as simple as bolding the text of the currently talking plane. 3. As someone else said, it would be really cool if you could have a satellite image superimposed (potentially quite faint but still visible) over/under the radar for better immersion/awareness. This is more of a bonus thing IMO.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for the feedback! In response: 1- We have already added a new setting to make data block text bigger. Available on newer videos. 2- That's a little more complicated with THIS format but it will be implemented in old style videos. The aircraft icon will illuminate. 3- The background image is the same as real ATCs use at their Tracon positions. Adding whatever image would be possible anyway.

[@ravensierratwo]

High quality videos as usual. There's been two 787 Dreamliner flights operated by Air NZ that have had to turn back to Auckland with engine failures in the last couple weeks, I wonder if audio/transcripts are available for them?

[@thejoyofflying182]

Thank you for your quick and amazing work!!!

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for watching :)

[@drnogueiras8783]

Your English has gotten so good! Great job 👍🏼

[@VASAviation]

Thank you! 😃

[@w00tDr]

12:18 SoCal DEP: [American 157, turn left heading 270, contact Approach 134.9.] Departure actually said, "turn left heading 070", AA157 read back correctly, and radar track shows AA157 continues eastbound.

[@HammondOfTexas0]

Is it procedure to declare an emergency even if it is obvious there is one? I never heard them actually declare one. Also, the videos are better without the long delays, good work either way though.

[@bdunderscore]

I imagine they were a bit busy at the time running procedures, and since ATC noticed (and started giving them emergency treatment) before they had a chance to call there's not really much of a point declaring. Wouldn't hurt, I suppose, but since the point of declaring is to get priority treatment, if you're already getting that priority treatment it's moot.

[@GigsTaggart]

bd_ Yeah as soon as they asked what intentions were the pilots knew they had priority and that the tower knew it was an emergency.

[@drfaustus72]

In the US ATC can declare emergency for you. There is no requirement to state it, as in in other countries. The controller hit the red button as soon as he heard the other plane talking about flames. Mind you, LAX has two tower frequencies (North and South), and something like 4 or 6 unique approach and departure frequencies, so there are a lot of people who need to get on the same page quickly. Plus, the plane turned to the right - into the bad engine (SOP) - and came fairly close to Santa Monica Airport at low altitude. So in a case like this, time is of the essence.

[@fhuber7507]

Tower/ATC can in effect declare for them. "We see you are on fire" = the tower already knows he's an emergency. Actually saying it isn't as important as dealing with it. They dealt with it.

[@cnknguyen]

i like the old sand table style of radar sim you used to do. hard to see anything on a mobile device screen with this layout.

[@TheSymbolGenerator]

I was wondering why that plane was parked down on the South Pad for so long. Guys out there working on the engine and the FAA was there one of the days. Maybe doing a borescope?

[@akabane7777]

Allow me a moment to thank the admin of the channel for the great visuals. Kudos to you 💪🏽... Great video

[@VASAviation]

Thank you very much! :D

[@maxb4074]

Wow those photos are scary

[@boahneelassmal]

The thumbnail: Me: ♫ His engine is on fire, fire. His engine is on fire, fire. He said 'No what? I got my three kids'!♫

[@jr13227]

American 157 pilot sounds like the American pilot at jfk that declared an emergency just so he could land on 31L

[@maiku41]

I really like the new format. Not only the radar display, but it seems there's less compressing out of the dead audio time which gives a better feeling of what actually happened. It'd be nice to have a path prediction or trail on the radar targets if that's not too difficult.

[@VASAviation]

We're also working on the trail. For some reason, the program bugs. But we're still working on it ;)

[@Auronfan02]

great work keep it up

[@tharsim]

I am a fan of the channel, and I am grateful for the effort that you put into it. However, about the new format, I didn't find it visually appealing at all. I guess it can even prevent people who are not involved with aviation from finding the channel interesting since it barely shows any information and isn't much fluid - I'm sure some people had a hard time finding the runways there. A radar screen is ideal for controllers because it's uncluttered and has only the information they need to get their job done, which is not our case here watching it from home. That's just an opinion if one is welcome. The previous format was better, easier to understand, and much more fluid and appealing to the eyes.

[@VASAviation]

Still working.

[@jr13227]

What is the meaning of Arnav to docer. I listen to lax tower a lot and they say that to every plane before it’s clear for takeoff.

[@hathawbj]

That is the equivalent to an initial heading assignment you hear for other takeoffs. They are being told to head direct to the RNAV waypoint DOCKR after takeoff. Look up any of the RNAV SIDs for LAX and you'll see it there.

[@hadrienperrin1830]

Nice video as always, I do prefer the old style as well. Did that Compass land before the emergency on 25L ?

[@scottscouter7405]

SURE sounds like the Aerounion pilot is more annoyed than concerned, very cool and composed! That is my kind of pilot!

[@drmayeda1930]

This ruins his schedule having to turn around and come back to LAX with a broken plane. He might have been looking forward to the destination

[@shearmanken]

He’s busy as hell running checklists calculating weight may have to dump fuel so gear doesn’t collapse and the plane is pulling to right hard do to engine being out...master alarms are going off...some of these comments are just plain stupid

ARFF 1 sounds pretty disappointed about discharging the bottle at 15:14

[@Chrisi77W]

767 200 is overpowered, flying with one engine is easy for it.

[@fantasyremixes1919]

According to avherald, "The FAA is looking into the cause, there is no indication of a bird strike."

[@FlyingFrankFan]

Radar images are fine. If you want to watch this stuff just on your phone or an iPad, that's your choice, but no need to penalise those of us who watch these things properly on a computer with a decent screen size. Also, real time pauses are OK. It adds to the immersion, because that's real life. No need to pander to the "I must have it now, as quickly as possible, because I have an attention span of one minute" crowd of desktop pilots.

[@VASAviation]

Appreciate your comment. We've put really hard work on this.

[@encinobalboa]

Good day at the airport. Bad day for the birds.

[@SebastianPeitsch]

At 720p on a 27" monitor I can hardly make out anything on this display. The descriptors are almost impossible to make out and everything as steps. Honestly you should maybe consider doing this differently for I had no idea what was what on the radar display.

[@larshammett]

It wasn’t a bird strike, it was a maintenance omission ordered by the maintenance manager Carlos Cano, a fuel fitting from the MEC was broken an he ordered to fill the reverse cowling with rags to avoid the pilots to see the leak

[@vpa0]

so no Mayday call from TNO301?

[@VASAviation]

Negative.

[@videoman7659]

Birds on strike! Who will eat the bugs if birds go on strike????!!??

[@lhardly]

9:15 were they screams from the passengers?

[@VASAviation]

No

[@hugoazamar8372]

It's a cargo operator.

[@RadioWhisperer]

Great videos, thank you for putting them out. I know its a lot of work, and it's really appreciated. Just an fyi, I watch them on my phone, and when the display is a simulated radar it's a black screen with gray lines and radar targets. On a Samsung S8+ the lines all but disappear, and the text on radar targets is too small to even hope to read. At one point the video had a ball on with an arrow showing "UTC time here". That text is so small I didn't even know it was text. Just letting you know. Can't fix it if you dont know it's happening. Love the videos, and thank you for all you do!

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for the feedback. All you commented has been fixed.

[@elmin2323]

Atc need to learn to leave the pilots alone! They will talk when there under control and have a plan

[@jamesp13152]

I think Atc is trying to feel out what the pilots wants so they can move others out of the way. All seemed calm and cool.

[@apple12195]

Due to fire observed runway 6 if they wanted it would allow for the pilots to land the plane faster than going around in a loop and landing through the pattern on the same runway L or R that they took off on. Runway 6 can’t always be offered but it was just alerting the pilots of an option they had available to them

[@wtfudc]

Did anyone aware the ATC never asked "number of soul on board" i think because it was a cargo flight.

[@CRJ08]

Saludos, unos consejos, un poquito más grande el tamaño de las letras, y que cuando hablen por radio, el avión que se está comunicando, le aparezca algún indicador, o cambie de color en el radar 👍

[@VASAviation]

Hola Cristian. El cambio de tamaño ya ha sido aplicado y también estoy trabajando en la manera de que el avión que habla sea iluminado. Un saludo.

[@CMDRFandragon]

What is that black screen in these videos and how do we read it?

[@majorwinters8333]

Great Video as always! Thanks bud! Sorry for asking, but what does "discharge the bottle" mean? Does that mean that the Pilots used the "Engine Fire Extinguisher"?

[@VASAviation]

That's exactly what it means ;)

[@georgesciberras6829]

Major Winters Yes they activate a fire extinguisher from the cockpit.

[@Dave-cz4wu]

When returning to an airport they just took off from. Is dumping fuel for weight not always necessary?

[@VASAviation]

Of course, not. Dumping fuel is basically to reduce weight. This aircraft was going to Mexico so it was way below his landing weight maximums.

[@GigsTaggart]

Many commercial aircraft don't even have a dump capability. If they are over they just have to fly in circles.

[@drfaustus72]

If your engine is on fire dumping fuel is not a big worry, especially at LAX where you have looong runways.

[@Rsmok3r]

It was actually an overweight landing :D and the 767 doesnt have fuel dumps unfortunately

[@jackhogan2132]

I believe this was just an engine failure and NOT a bird strike. Heard it from an LAX opps

[@lorenzopaulon5691]

Still waiting for Az631

[@NaomiCurtis]

Like radar for time off many plane traffic but simple map when incident plane near ground. Specifically this map was so pale that it showed only yellow printed plane designated info.

[@jazamt84]

Aero union se ha vuelto un poco más difícil de lo que parece que ha pasado en la historia de la película de

[@jazamt84]

Aero union se ha vuelto a la normalidad en la vida de noe

[@comicsansgreenkirby]

Out of curiosity, why is there a hyphen in the channel name? Was it to skip the last name?

[@davidboon5906]

Great Videos always watch them ! Would like you to ditch the new format just Love the plane format :-)

[@SupaEMT134]

I much prefer these videos in _real-time_ though the font size really needs to be increased

[@drmayeda1930]

font size and darker I couldn't really see the flight info block but since that's the source image I'm not sure what he can do with it

[@VASAviation]

Change of text size has been implemented. By the way, KZbin decreases quality si I'll work on improving that as well ;)

[@SupaEMT134]

drmayeda1 - I knew not much could be done about the data blocks. I was mentioning more of the pop-ups, captions, and Zulu time (though I realize that was tied to the data blocks in this video)

[@VASAviation]

The timestamp is in perfect sync with the data blocks as they are all coordinates. We have implemented an option to change the text size. I will also work on the video quality so that it doesn't decrease a lot when uploaded on KZbin.

[@drmayeda1930]

what is ICC?

[@drfaustus72]

Imperial Cargo Complex. Has nothing to do with Star Wars, but with Imperial Highway on the southside of LAX.

[@davidboon5906]

The scrip is Way to Small :-)

[@VASAviation]

Bigger size has been implemented.

[@fernandoifill9784]

Hopefully this doesn't affect the rep of the 762, A300 etc. too much. I'd love to see them fly more.

[@corporate_flyerguy6708]

Fernando Ifill-Cueva this wouldn't have anything to do with the aircraft itself. It would have to do with the engines. There's still a ton of airlines using the 767's and A300's. They'll stick around for a while :)

[@drmayeda1930]

This was a bird strike not a mechanical issue. LAX would have to make improvements to wildlife control

[@fernandog5377]

Excelente video, hagan el video del volaris que se equivocó de pista en JFK el día de ayer.

[@VASAviation]

Estoy en ello.

[@albertonex19]

What an amazing controller, bad coms from mayday though, I guess they had there hands full.

[@drfaustus72]

Not necessary or required in the US. Flames and smoke out of the engine is sufficient.

[@fhuber7507]

Occasionally having one in real time is fine. Better if you choose ones with real video for that. (though the pictures were good) It shows that these incidents take time.

[@beckyschmidt4025]

Can't make sense of new format. So small, I can't read it! (Sorry--not intending to be rude)

[@VASAviation]

I take note and the new bigger size has been implemented.

[@beckyschmidt4025]

Thank-you! Have a Happy Christmas!

[@Ergzay]

I really don't like this view. You should check that all text is readable at 480p resolution for viewing on a variety of displays.

[@Xanthopteryx]

TWR sounded a bit stressed.

[@EVAUnit4A]

For us laymen/armchair warriors, I have to agree with other comments before me that while a nice idea to have the live radar feed, to the untrained and inexperienced it is difficult to comprehent what is being show here (I don't know how to read radar!), especially with the long pauses and irrelevant comms with unrelated aircraft. Cutting out dead-air and irrelevant comms, and time-lapse for those same blank moments would help a lot in trimming the runtime of these videos. Color-coding the radar signals (i.e. the airplanes themselves) to match the text dialogue would also be helpful! The font size of the aircraft is really tiny here, even in HD!

[@VASAviation]

Why don't you watch recent videos instead and see the improvements?

[@EVAUnit4A]

Will do, thanks!

[@nasboost1031]

This had nothing to do with a bird strike...

[@shearmanken]

Mechanic did a poor temp fix with rags while waiting for parts plane should have been grounded

[@PCREVOLUTION]

I don t like it I can’t read anything on the radar

[@Anonymous551656]

Way, *way* too much dead time. I appreciate your effort, but I preferred the older style. If you do keep the radar simulation, you need to fast forward through the periods where no relevant comms are taking place. I come to these videos to listen to the ATC from the event in the title, not several minutes of silence or irrelevant traffic. Cheers for your work. :)

[@VASAviation]

This was just a test in real time to see what you guys think. Trimming audio and making the video shorter is also possible, of course :)

[@Anonymous551656]

Very much appreciated! Still a big fan, looking forward to your next upload. :)

[@zenster1097]

Poor bird

[@mollyfilms]

Lost an engine and it’s in fire but hey it’s not an emergency or mayday. Totally unprofessional. They need to be on the mark not trying to deal alone. Others need info and they had plenty of time to let others know.

[@jstbemee]

EVERYONE in the TOWER knew exactly what was going on and were adjusting incoming traffic appropriately. A mayday call is not neccessary in the US. ATC saw the flames and pulled the phone on ARRF response immediately.

[@airsideopslax7911]

Not a bird strike

[@SandaruHettiarachchi]

Okay, I appreciate your effort toward this video friend. But this simulation looks not very much accurate, previous way of your videos are accurate than this. Look TNO301 didn't even lined up with the ILS and disappeared way out from the runway.

[@VASAviation]

I said we're working on it. Nothing is exact in this life except maths.

[@SandaruHettiarachchi]

VASAviation - alright buddy

[@kellyblack1554]

Your old version is better

[@trishayamada807]

Kelly Black agreed. ☹️ I’m not sure I’ll watch anymore because it’s like watching ants.

[@mikekelley]

This was not a bird strike.It was engine failure

[@fastfaps]

Mike Kelley it was an engine flame out due to a bird strike...

[@mikekelley]

Louis Tompkin Louis Tompkin there was no bird strike. I don’t know why this keeps being repeated. Source: multiple first responders and avherald.com/h?article=4b1fd3e7

[@pilotandy_com]

Sure, the pilot in command has the final say, but geez, right hand pattern across 4 approach paths?

[@TheSerialKiller131]

Too much and too long vídeo