Real Road Test: Jaguar I Pace 800 Roadtrip - with bonus bus action!

[@stephenbraddy9925]

Legend has it he still roams the Scottish countryside in search of a charge to this very day ...

[@jamesgoodwin2450]

This reminds me of when I use to get my gasoline from the pharmacy

[@nijasty]

Along with a Mercury Poltice and some fresh Leaches. Those were the days.

james goodwin I always preferred buying my petroleum spirit in small glass bottles.

[@hpt08]

@ at least you could check it didn't have any Tesco sand in the contents :-)

[@jmurray01]

When I can get 700 miles from a tank of diesel (that takes a maximum of 5 minutes to fill up) I will never make the switch to electric unless HUGE advances are made in the field.

[@jackhewitson1884]

My dad is buying one of these next week so it will be mine and my brothers first ever journey in a electric car. We’re both very excited to see how well it performs as a family car.

[@chrisrawson6893]

Life is complicated enough without adding one of these to it Glad I am old enough to remember proper jags

[@dodgydruid]

I'd have another XJ40 like a shot, only chopped it in cos the rear sussy struts were leaking, wished I had just had 'em replaced but someone came along with a Sierra 2000e and I had to take that on as never owned a 2000e. Turned out to be a car of hidden and expensive mysteries and some askance looks at previous owner who went to some extent to hide the terminal rust in the crumple channels :(

[@alextester7037]

You can still get “proper jags”

[@darrencafferty]

@urbex2007 I had a 93 XJ6 3.2 with the dicky back lights, relay was on permament 'back order' so had wire a bodge up lol

[@herrfister1477]

John W because they are really really shit

[@zaphodsbluecar9518]

@ Chris Rawson - you mean 'proper' Jags that were unreliable, had awful electrics and were so desired by the buying public that the company folded... But these new Jags are rubbish, aren't they? - you know, like the one in the video that has won over sixty international awards - more than any other Jaguar in history. Those new Jags that are outselling any of the old ones and took the company to profitability for the first time in decades...

[@johnkrols7974]

Slipstreaming with a 65000 pound car behind a diesel lorry to cover a distance is more than I could bear. No electric car for me for a least 10 years to come. Enough trouble to have my cell phone charged during the night.

[@scabbycatcat4202]

John Krols ..... I could not agree more !! This would piss me off no end. I'll stick with my 13 year old Vauxhall 1.9CDTI which , driven at just under 70mph will give me a genuine 62.5 mpg .

[@trancematics]

An eye-opening video and probably a more realistic picture of the woeful state of the UK charging infrastructure. Fantastic car but watching this has totally put me off getting an electric car! I couldn't be putting up with all the drama and stress.

[@VeyronBD]

Thats a fair point, considering my local charging point has been stripped for its copper for well over a year now haha

[@markbradley5365]

The charging infrastructure is not woeful in the UK it's good and getting better every day. Take it from someone who actually drives an EV every day for 3 years not from a 1 hour video. Take a look at zap-map.com It's easier to build a charging station than a petrol station. Actually have you noticed more petrol stations are becoming hand car washes.

[@herrfister1477]

Mark Bradley No mate the reality is far removed from the picture you paint I wish it was how you say but we’re 50 years away from viable electric, at least

[@kevintynan796]

Driving 18 wheeler truck coast to coast in Canada and USA I had encounters with the ‘ultra milers’ a group of over enthusiastic motorists who would getup close to the rear of my trailer and ride the negative pressure or suction zone. So close 5 or 6 ft I couldn’t see them in my mirrors. I drove a Volvo, 12 litre in-line 6. 520 hp. Turbo diesel. Love your show! Saving a vehicle from the scrap yard and breathing new life into has got to be one of the noblest things there is.

[@916gits]

"look at the pink Astra mark 4, THAT has faded _beautifully_" never stop being you dude !

[@klwthe3rd]

That was really nice of S & G Barrett to let you review this Jaguar. I love the body styling except for its back end. Kinda looks like it was chopped off. Hubnut always does a very fair in-depth review so you can trust his judgement on the pros and cons. Great video.

[@zenbudhism]

Its a kamm back for aerodynamics

[@Wreck-Gar]

I thought the same Kenneth, lovely curved rear window and then totally flat and squared off :(

[@crustycorollas]

you have probably just done the most down to earth EV review, fed up of most of the others ramming it down our throats and saying that EVs are 100% fault free and stuff. good work

[@markbradley5365]

It was a typical review of being loaned an EV with basic knowledge of how the chargers work. With a little more experience Ian would have known that the Ecotricity chargers were working and on free vend. Plus when you own an EV you would use of ZAP map to find cheaper / free chargers in more convenient locations. I was loaned a car the other day and couldn't put diesel in it because I only had cash and it was a chip and pin petrol station only.

[@rambleon3698]

@@markbradley5365 Give it a rest will ya. That video said it all. Bet there was another diesel pump down the road. If not you can always pop in the local chippy and top up with waste oil.......

[@markbradley5365]

@@rambleon3698 This Video said I'm new at this and he didn't realise that the charger was working and on free vend. Chip shop oil would not work in a 2015 Audi Q3. It would work in an old Citroen Xantia. What bugs me is people who don't know much about EVs telling other people they don't work as they expect them to when it's them how are not how to work them and then people getting the wrong idea as in this case with the charging network. It was working once more it was on free vend.

[@rambleon3698]

@@markbradley5365 The point you may be missing is that we're not all as clever as you. In fact most of us aren't. So this man's experience (and he's pretty clever) would be the norm if not worse. You've got umpteen different styles of charging units out there, you've got twats that won't even let other brands use their chargers. What do you want me to say..'dear consumer, you must do a course in charger applications, you must have a smart phone, you must have endless patience and you must have the calm of a Saint.'. How many people do you personally know that have these qualities. Petrol works for all, nearly all of the time. I'm want to go electrics but I'm not convinced of its practicality of economy.

[@markbradley5365]

@@rambleon3698 My point that I'm trying to put across (not very well) The charging network is not as bad as made out in this video. Let's say I was to review the latest Iphone and I wasn't given the charger I could say the phone was rubbish because it can't be charged with my Samsung charger and until all chargers are compatible Iphones are not for everyone. It just means I haven't been given all the equipment to review the phone adequately. Have you ever seen anyone at a petrol station with a new car and can't open the filler cap? and haven't been shown where or how to open it when bought from the dealership. My point is when you own something for a while you have better knowledge of how it works, the good the bad and make a more informed view. The reason I have commented on this video is because of some people's negative views on something that is not correct. Ian states that Ecotricty charges were not working (they were) and it's a poor network after only 2 days of driving an electric car. I have been using this network for 3 years and have never failed to charge. My view is it's an excellent network Getting back to the diesel Audi which had a warning light on less than a year old! Add blue!! my mam had never heard or been told anything about it and had to take it back to Audi thinking the car was broke. She was then charged 3 times the price for them adding it as I could have bought it for. So if my mam was going to review her Q3 she might say it broke within the 1st year. ( we know it didn't but she is telling her friends not to get an Audi because they break within the first year) Is my point coming across or am I just making it worse?

[@3vom918]

If none one has beat me to it so far: "Have you tried switching it off and on again?"

[@Mr-M.Fastbike1000]

I don't think i'll be getting an electric car anytime soon, even watching the video was stressful !!!

[@Tech-pt1mp]

Mr M Keep in mind this doesn't apply to Tesla's. I'm taking my Model 3 on it's first real road trip in 2 weeks, from Boston to Pittsburgh - about 1200 miles round trip. Should be easy, just 3 short stops at a supercharger on the way there. Really not much slower or more difficult than in a gas car since it charges so fast at 150 kW (soon to be 250 kW, that's being rolled out now)!

[@ferrumignis]

I was also suffering from range anxiety from behind my keyboard. If you have the ability to charge at home then EV's seem like the perfect choice for a shortish daily commute. However the I Pace is a car you'd want to be able to do long distances in, and if/until the infrastructure is massively improved that seems like far too much of a painful experience.

[@Mr-M.Fastbike1000]

@@ferrumignis I agree.

[@AdrianColes]

Cod Zilla it’s not US vs Uk at play. It’s Tesla vs legacy car manufacturers. UK supercharger network is pretty good and getting better all the time.

[@VirtuellJo]

Nothing wrong with electric cars. But you do need the infrastructure. Come to Norway end experience EV heaven!

[@spammerwhammer5526]

Very interesting and informative. My conclusion: until the infrastructure is fit for purpose, high-end large saloons, designed for cruising long distances - stick to petroleum based fuels.

[@merrickyusuf2341]

instablaster.

[@Munkenba]

The electric car revolution so far as I'm concerned is welcome, but this video illustrates quite nicely how much its being hurt by overzealous software engineers who think you need an app, a bluetooth connection and three touchscreens to stick a few amps through a cable. Every glitch represents a coffee break they took instead of triple checking that line of code.

[@AaronSmart.online]

And it's baffling how these things don't switch to "free vend" mode when communications break down - people are trying to rely on them!

[@Munkenba]

@@AaronSmart.online That'd be an idea, they're already charging too much so far as I'm concerned, they can cut those losses. Charging an electric car should not be comparable in cost to a tank of petrol, it's just not as expensive to make.

[@AaronSmart.online]

@@Munkenba the problem is the low volume of users and the cost of the infrastructure. A rapid charger installation costs somewhere in the region of £30-40k. If you want cheap lecky, just charge at home (but you'll only get about 7kW max)

[@Munkenba]

@@AaronSmart.online That much really? Mad. I just hope the price goes down with scale, and these companies don't just see the dollar signs floating above thousands of people who now have all this petrol money they're not spending.

[@AaronSmart.online]

@@Munkenba Rapid chargers are only part of the equation though. There are also slower public chargers, usually around 6-22 kW AC, they're a lot cheaper to install - these are "destination chargers" as the expectation is you're parking your car anyway, e.g. in a town centre, shops, workplace, etc. And home chargers only cost a few hundred to install (there may be grants depending on where you are).

[@timmeh101851]

Wow....confirms to me one of the reasons why I don't have an electric car :-)

[@jacklee8168]

I can't be bothered with all that hassle with all that charging its nice Jaguar car but I stick with my lovely Alfa Romeo 75 twin spark

[@timhancock6626]

Can you stop saying " Alfa Romeo 75 twin spark"...I go all weepy and end up looking at pictures of mine....28 years ago......

[@jacklee8168]

Tim Hancock Hi Tim you got happy memories mine 1990 on H plate in Alfa red had car two years now its had one owner from new other one I got is Alfa 33 on G plate in Alfa red

[@markbennett2170]

Loved the Alfa 75. I owned a 2.0 TS and a 3.0 Busso. Proper Car! Wish I had one now! Values are just rocketing up so that's not going to happen any time soon.

[@jacklee8168]

Mark Bennett mine 75 twin spark 1990 all original no rust its kept in warm heated garage with my other Alfa 33 that's all original I use 75 as my daily drive to work and back when it gets back home I gave it good clean polish get rid of all dirt muck from roads

[@paulthomson9709]

But it's not a nice jaguar car , it's a totally bland non descript average looking electric SUV that looks like someone put a jaguar badge on . Dont like the direction jaguar are heading in .

[@simondrake8909]

Hmmm, confirmed my suspicions about charging electric cars..... and 65k??? Better to buy a Maxi and spend the rest on petrol.....

[@johnarmstrong3782]

And oil. And cv joints. And every suspension bearing..............😀😀

[@TheDyIan]

@@johnarmstrong3782 Im certain electric cars have suspension, dunno maybe they float

[@wanderinggentile]

Beautiful car. Brilliant concept. I finally feel like I'm looking at the future I was promised when I was a kid in the seventies.

[@vikingraiders4138]

What a big brother state and control over your movements.

[@jusb1066]

@@vikingraiders4138 yawn, what are they gonna do with the information i went to a b&q once?

[@vikingraiders4138]

@@jusb1066 Do you really believe electric cars are about saving the environment?

[@wanderinggentile]

@@jusb1066 Methinks someone using Nazi imagery does not get the irony of his warnings about authoritarian control.

[@box.10]

Thanks for this vid. I HAD just lined up a 20 plate iPace for delivery 6 June but your excellent vid has changed my mind and will keep my petrol guzzling 12 month old M2 Competition. 26 mpg but v, quick! No tailgating necessary

[@davespooney8472]

It’s the future, there’s no denying that. Really makes me want a Bentley Turbo R though...

[@davidfowler729]

The Engenie charger at Stirling - Kilo Watt Hours (kWh) commonly referred to as "Units" of electricity is an amount of energy used or stored over time. It's what your leccy meter at home measures. KiloWatts is a unit of electrical power - Voltage x Current (amps). So the Engenie charger was probably charging at 50kW but the screen was showing how much electricity had been delivered to the car. So a 50kW charger should in theory be able to charge the battery by 50kWh in one hour. Batteries will slow down how much power they can take in as they reach capacity so the 90kWh battery on the Jag would take a little over 2 hours to charge from empty to full on the Engenie 50kWh charger.

[@bri77uk1]

That's kind of depressing. I love the i-Pace, and I was lucky enough to get on the test drives at Millbrook. It's truly an amazing car, but it needs the infrastucture to catch up. With that said, if you have a decent charger at home, as anyone spending £60k+ on a car is likely to, any journeys of under 200 miles will be handled without ever having to touch the charging network. Most cars spend most of their lives sitting at home doing nothing, so they may as well be charging - If you can - and the vast majority of journeys are nowhere near 200 miles. There is a lot of investment in rapid chargers and battery tech going on at the moment, and I hope that this experience is one that will be looked back on and laughed about.

[@jusb1066]

indeded why i want an electric (but cant afford a zoe) i have 9kw of solar, which most of goes back to the grid, i consume very little electricity at home due to being careful

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Agree completely. I have an ipace and almost all of my charging is done at home. A lot of people could probably get away with never needing to charge away from home. But for that odd occasion (and for those who do high mileage), it needs to get better.

[@richardsmith8015]

Yes totally agree. I like them and could use an electric car for commuting 40 mile round trip and would quite like one as they become more affordable. Couldn't charge at home presently but am moving to a home where I could which would make it work for me. Hopefully, as you say, the charging issues involved with longer journeys will be solved as time goes on and charging worries will become a thing of the past.

[@julianevans9548]

Even if the infrastructure worked, I can't see how an electric car can ever be anything other than a 2nd car, at best. Who has time to wait two hours for your car to be usable again? That makes them useless for two reasons: 1. Many people can't afford two cars. 2. You still need a real car.

[@elelegidoriginal]

I used to work as a test driver for Google in San Francisco driving Waymo's self-driving version of the i-Pace. I agree with what you say about it - the suspension is too firm for places with holed and broken streets and the acceleration is indeed warp speed. Very nice cars, but they're not real Jaguars. A real Jag has wood and leather inside it, leaks oil all over your drive and refuses to start in the morning.

[@glynjones2540]

The infrastructure's certainly a contrast to Norway where Bjorn Nyland has been from Oslo to Finnish Lapland (twice) and the Lofoten Islands by Tesla with, apparently, few charging hangups in Norway or in Sweden and Finland.

[@rich_edwards79]

Ahh, but (having flirted with it after the war) the English decided many years to reject the Nordic model of organising a modern society, looking instead to the US, and now the differences in everything from inequality to education and health are becoming more stark with every year that goes by. We'll never make any progress with such a backward looking mentality, and the governments voted in by people with that mentality.

[@imnotamechanic3491]

To be fair, you could probably drive around the UK endlessly in a Tesla, because there are quite lot of Superchargers in the UK, and of course you can also charge at normal charging points too. Additionally, long electric car trips tend to be planned around the charging network, this is a good demonstration of a long trip where the person is going where they want to go, and is making use of charger along the way (or, atleast, attempting to). I'm not saying you would have these issues in Norway, (the service demonstrated in the video is typical british customer service), but plenty of people have successfully traversed the UK in electric cars, but usually the highlighted ones are pre-planned trips.

[@genghissmith4949]

Richard Edwards Too right.....if only we had another Attlee.

[@glynjones2540]

Richard Edwards Blimey! All I did was compare charging networks and I get a political rant. Have you read "The New Totalitarians" by Roland Huntford? It gives a very clear picture of the vast difference between postwar Britain and neutral Sweden.

[@genghissmith4949]

Glyn Jones What has that to do with the obvious fact that the current policies are not working and we should look to the Swedish model....that HAS been such a success?

[@dawnnadir]

That Leyland Olympian was serving in Hong Kong for CityBus Company before landed in the UK and that green Leyland next to it was serving at the ChinabMoyor Bus Company. Glad to see it is still in existence and most of them are in Scotland. Cheers from Hong Kong.

[@LiamS94]

"Charging error" my arse, I'd want a partial refund if I came back to find my car has been sat there not taking a charge. What a waste of time

[@DRILLBABYDRIL]

I found it fitting that the last three letters on the reg was ODB, because with the amount of Chinese electrics fitted to it, the car will always need to be plugged into diagnostics to find out what’s up with it...... yet again. No doubt the Chinese have already ripped off a copy just like they did with the Landwind X7

[@MGBetts1]

You have a point - time is money.

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

The Chinese don’t need to copy it, they’re MILES ahead when it comes to electric vehicles.

[@DRILLBABYDRIL]

Pete FlintMurray Can you give me an example? The Japanese are the measuring stick.... There’s probably more sophistication in a Sinclair C5 than anything the Chinese produce. Mr Hubnut could review a Sinclair C5 that’d be more interesting than that ugly Jag to watch in my view.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zna0lqejlNaKesk

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

clay walsh most of the Shanghai motor show was market ready EVs. Geely own Volvo and the London taxi company, both of which are throwing out some amazing quality hybrids. Geely have some good quality kit on home shores. BYD are rapidly electrifying the world with electric trucks and busses. Shenzhen city just replaced ALL its 16000 diesel buses with electric ones. They’ll soon be replacing 22000 taxis too.

[@MrGrumpygit488]

Windscreen washers built into the wipers, just like buses have had for years.

[@louisjames1062]

RianTrace84 it was also done decades ago on several mercs and french cars,

[@benday1218]

Thanks for this. Worth the 'long form' approach. I love 'fully charged', but so often their videos are one step away from being long adverts, with very few problems being mentioned. Anyway, I'm waiting for the equivalent of a Dacia Sandero EV. I'm sure it's technologically possible...

[@global_nomad.]

Hi Ben, have you come across Bjorn Nyland, probably the best EV related channel on youtube. Thorough and extensive reviews.

[@benday1218]

@@global_nomad. I have not, I'll look up the channel, thanks.

[@cjmillsnun]

Good news everyone. Dacia are to release an EV either next year or 2021. I can't recall which but it is definitely happening. Expect it to be based heavily on the Renault Zoe.

[@Toby_the_Glen]

Yeah, I'm guessing the cost of charging will increase sharply in the future. The cars might be fabulous but the charging network will be as awful as we could imagine?

[@markbradley5365]

Think you will find in the future Supermarkets will be the cheapest place to charge just like they are the cheapest places to buy petrol. They will subsidise it to get you to shop in there. Lidl already have many free chargers and I do go for a shop in there while I'm charging so it works on me.

[@boo-boo511]

In the UK the bulk of the ICE fuel price is taxation. 220% on base price. The fuel itself is probably cheaper than electricty per mile in standard cars. Once our chancellor starts collecting his duty he is missing and electric supplies bring in variable pricing for peak or heavy demand EVs will be at least as expensive if not more so to run not to meention premium up front cost.

[@rustywreck6631]

Rather have the bus 🚌

[@69Phuket]

China in his hands...The bus had some exotic history. But now has the school bus sticker of doom.

[@alisterwest6987]

Can't tow my caravan with a bus don't know though garage mechanic called it an old bus 😂

[@arthurfarrow]

In terms of infrastructure, the availability of charging points for EVs is similar to the problem experienced by owners of diesel-engine cars thirty years, when relatively few service stations had diesel pumps, and to use those that did often required the possession of a DERV card.

[@julianparker6090]

I've always liked Jaguars and their design. I love the lines on the ipace, I forgive the designers for the omission of a rear wash/wipe which is needed. The car is well thought out. Cars have got too complicated today. I think your analogy of they are 20 year old designs made more complicated is spot on. Electric cars etc are the future. It's a shame the automotive industry came late to that realisation. If they hadn't, electric cars, trucks and buses could possibly have been more commonplace today.

[@smudgey46]

I've had 3 ev's in the last 4 years, 2 Leafs and a Zoe, covered 85000 miles and have not had a disastrous trip like you have just experienced, As you have rightly stated the charging network can be pretty dire but a lot of the problem is down to CCS charging as failure rates are high (especially on Ecotricity chargers) AC can be problematic on the Zoe but not as bad as CCS, at present the best charging system is Chademo as there is usually the backup of a second Chademo charger with Ecotricity and a fair few Nissan dealers also provide free rapid charging. Things are improving as the network has expanded greatly over the last 4 years and there is no way I would go back to an internal combustion engine and agree 100% with your comments about how smooth and responsive electric cars are, Keep the great videos rolling out.

[@crazyfroggie6546]

you really can waste a lot of time several times a day waiting for your car to charge. 10 minutes at a petrol station and you can go halfway across Europe almost without stopping. For what it cost you in electricity, a decent diesel would have done it on the same amount of fuel and kept on going. Loved the old 405, i used to have a 405 estate, which i really liked.

[@logan86123]

My 2004 Jag XK8 has washers built in to the wiper blades too! (And there's no triangle of doom). It's a great system because it uses only a tiny amount of washer fluid, is very effective, and doesn't leave a mess.

[@PadraigFIRE]

Sounded like you were breaking into song with the pantograph wiper excitement! It's a dirty story of a dirty screen, And all he wanted was to make it clean, He's a simple wiper with a single arm, He does a steady job, But he wants to be a pantograph wiper... Pantograph wiper... Pantograph wiper, pantograph wiper ;-)

[@martinogold]

100% in agreement about modern cars, I love old cars and electric new cars.

[@LeicesterMike]

Thanks for the video, a good reflection of how good the car is. FYI the Tesla superchargers of which their are lots charge at 125kW with the new CCS model 3 able to charge even quicker on soon up to 150 kW in a couple of years once the superchargers have been upgraded more than 200kW. Other networks are now in the UK with charging over 100kW but none on the route you followed. I do hope someone takes over from Ecotricity as I agree they are rubbish. Polar are great if you are a member £7 a month which gives you free access to their 7kW posts and a RFID card which would have stopped the issue you had.

[@Brendon471]

Mike Jelfs Actually the Model 3 just got a software update 3 days ago that unlocks 150 kW charge speeds at all superchargers in the US. I'm guessing European cars will get the update soon as well. Also, Tesla is already rolling out their 250 kW superchargers. They announced that 2 months ago.

[@davestraight8219]

can i just say the buses and cameo by flowler stole the show ROFL at the wipers - not surprised that the chargers in the country werent working

[@hibbs79]

Fantastic video very much enjoyed watching your experience. Cheers. 👍👍👍

[@strokenumber3]

Just finished hubnutting "one of my cars" to come in, wash up and see what's on the old KZbin. Nice, another - yes, yet another - video from our great leader. Delicious.

[@geneva760]

HA - "I can touch it and not die - that's quite remarkable"

[@steven-vn9ui]

I liked that as well!

[@nachtsnuiver6210]

this is exactly when I ticked the 'like' button, made me laugh with so much joy!

[@davidstuart4915]

be even more remarkable when we use 100kwh inductive charging! - makes you wonder what would happen to a mouse wandering through any gap..

[@spainter1985]

I think these are far more interesting than a Model S. Quite a challenging drive though with the current infrastructure it seems. Lovely looking 405!

[@d2factotum]

I think Mythbusters tested how much you save in fuel by going close behind a lorry, and they could only get any effect at all by literally driving five feet from the bumper. Anyway, I bet the situation with charge points now is pretty similar to what it must have been like owning a petrol car back in 1900 before they'd built all the petrol stations!

[@philhealey449]

Clearly Mythbusters not in a Citroen Relay 1.9D van, or bluff Land Rover defender where you really can lift off the accelerator behind trucks..

[@ollieb9875]

I'm impressed how much calm you appear to maintain, even when anything and everything is going wrong! I dare say I would have just completely lost my shit long before.

[@maxgreece1]

Just like being in Tuc, lmao!! At least you added, "no, it really isn't."

[@cotswoldmusings]

An excellent ‘real world’ review from a reviewer who’s not blinded by the need to underplay realities and stress of EV life. This was my experience of driving long distance in the I-Pace. Charging network is a real issue and needs sorting. Thanks.

[@jamble7k]

the most unexpected car ever on hubnut 😁😁

[@blimpism]

Brilliant video Ian, this has shown me a true and real representation of EV ownership in 2019, well done HubNut 👍🏻

[@keithfletcher6123]

I couldn’t deal with the stress ... you were very restrained ... I’d have been putting bricks through things in frustration ...

[@jefferysmith3930]

That was exhausting and stressful to watch. I can’t imagine how stressful it was firsthand. I can’t imagine the experience would’ve been any better on my side of the pond. Well done Ian. Thank you for the glimpse into long distance electric motoring.

[@milesfinch]

GOOD GOD!!!!! HUB NUT has legs!!! Never knew they did white twiglets!!! ;-)

[@rich_edwards79]

To be fair that's what most Englishmen have under their trousers, on the two days a year when it's mild enough (I won't say warm, as we don't do warm) to exchange them for shorts :)

[@Wreck-Gar]

@@rich_edwards79 then we end up burning them in the sun. They then don't see sunlight for years until we've forgotten the burning incident and we think, yeah, I'll put my shorts on.....

[@CodgerBiker]

Great video. Very informative. Despite the drawbacks (!) you have shown a glimpse of the future. Once the snags and learning curve are overcome it’s not so bad - it actually looks great when working - and you had a modern day adventure 👍

[@TheGibby3340]

Thanx for the honest review. If you don't mind me saying so, you do not need to explain or rationalize your appreciation for modern/E.V's. Vintage, ultra modern...surely there is space in ones mindscape for both. Not sure why some seem react to E.V's with such venom? Infrastructure seems to be dragging well behind product offerings on this side of the Atlantic also. Owning an E.V seems like too much mathematics and not enough convenience for the mean time. Cheers and thanx.

[@rjft7003]

Seriously the most down to earth review to EV's I've seen lately. If in the UK you have such an infrastructure problems I can't imagine in many other European countries like Poland, where I live, or many other Central, Eastern and South European ones. Everything seems to be perfect if a supercharger is around otherwise is like Cinderella with the horses transforming back to mouses and the horse carriage into a pumpkin. Jaguar however is a beautiful machine, still some Britishness around and that's good! 😊

[@johnnypsycho9628]

Ian was that a 110 you ignored ??????? and can we have a siren for the "Legs Warning " maybe a big flashing sign like on he news. But a True show on them fiddly buttons

[@dlittlester]

I've been following electric cars for years now, watching the technology improve in leaps and bounds. I too have arguments with friends about range, but perhaps they have more need of range than I do. I live on an island (a big one), but I'm retired and hardly ever leave the small city I live in. An iMiev would suit me perfectly, if they still sold them. Unfortunately, I'd have to win a lottery to buy any one of them.

[@frothe42]

I was interested on how an I-Pace works, as I am a HUGE fan of electric vehicles. We here in the US, and New York, have issues with charging electric vehicles other than a Tesla. There are apps that give you the location of charging stations with reviews from other EV owners. And I'm sure EV owners used imaginative ways like you did on the motorway when on a long journey because of anxiety range. Like yourself, Ian, I feel EV are the wave of the future, yet car manufacturers are letting others provide the electricity instead of what Tesla has done, by making huge investments in the charging infrastructure. I love classic vehicles as well, especially those not imported into the US. You also highlighted limitations of certain EV like the I-Pace. Your review showed its features, and as a novice to the vehicle, shows a first hand view of what it is like having a first drive of the vehicle. I too dislike having to plow through submenus of the infotainment screen, but it seems the wave of the future. You also pointed out current tech like adaptive CC and other tech are quite useful. And I hear you about head restraints pushing your head foward; some allow the restraint to be pushed back for comfort, others do not. And this is from someone who is usually a passenger!

[@stigstig9275]

Great comment

[@frothe42]

@@stigstig9275 Thank you! I love watching these videos, and vehicles that are UK 🇬🇧 or EU only. Peugeot, Citroën and Opel are a few no longer imported into the US, and I like to see vehicles from the UK. That, plus Ian likes EV as much as I do! A ride in a Tesla Model S was life changing, as I definitely believe the world is ready for long range EV. The problem is charging stations and their capabilities, as well as their restrictions.

[@stigstig9275]

@@frothe42 you sound like a pragmatic kind of guy. Good stuff. Greetings and respect from Birmingham UK

[@frothe42]

@@stigstig9275 Thank you! I have friends who live outside Manchester, in the Dale's, near Slaithwaite. Beautiful country!

[@ianwallace5905]

So glad you made it to my home town of Dumfries, the home of pink Astras and 6v Capris! Oh and it is that quiet all of the time as there is nothing left in the town centre, sad reflection of modern times 😢 keep up the good work.

[@wattling1396]

You have highlighted an issue with electric and hybrids as when your braking as you say most of the time your just regen braking and it means that because they still use mechanical brakes they tend to seize up the pads in the carriers cause the discs to corroded etc mainly the rears. I work for a Ford dealer and the mondeo hybrids are all like that.

[@manwithapan9481]

Engine brakes are great I've had my Prius for almost 8 years now and only needed new brake pads twice ;)

[@wattling1396]

@@manwithapan9481 it is good basically free energy but the point I make is that as much as the brakes could potentially last longer than some batterys they need to now almost reinvent brakes as due to lack of use due to regen they tend to end up with corrosion and seizing up. What Ian has shown is that the UK isn't properly geared up for electric vehicles. I personally think hydrogen cars are the future.

[@AaronSmart.online]

Yes, I've had to replace all the caliper slide pins on the rear brakes on my Prius as they had seized. It's really a case that brakes should not be treated as a maintenance-free item - you can't just leave them alone until the pads need replacing because that takes too long. Inspection and lubrication every 2 years or so should avoid problems.

[@manwithapan9481]

@@AaronSmart.online Every time my Prius has an MOT I ask the mechanic to check the brakes , it was 4 MOT's later when he recommended replacing them lol, same again 4 years later, I presume he checks them for other things such as calipers seizing etc but next MOT I will ask him to have a quick look at them ;)

[@manwithapan9481]

@@wattling1396 Right I gotcha, I guess the engine brake on the Prius is a little different as you can't use it to stop, 0nly to slow down, so the brakes are in constant use only just very lightly ;)

[@shanehnorman]

Excellent video - the best real-world assessment of an EV that I've seen.

[@nonbias6741]

Great video Ian.You need a power station too run a Ev.The bus would provide better Mpg🚃

[@mickles1975]

Peugeots of that era were really attractive. That and the 306 were great looking cars.

[@MaxMountainWorld]

I would prefer you review an X-Type (2.5 or 3.0). A classic in my view and much more HubNut.

[@MaxMountainWorld]

@@cappaculla Heavy Friday night-out by any chance? I am sure Ian would prefer people NOT to recommend his faithful-followers away from his channel. Get a grip, sunshine!

[@MaxMountainWorld]

@@cappaculla Did I tell you I don't Watch someone else's free video? I don't understand your points or why. This is Daft. Good Luck my Friend, Farewell!

[@ianlawrie919]

Wow! what an eye opener, most impressive to see the pale legs doing smart phone appage and making use of that awesome torque.

[@69Phuket]

Good vid..I suspected the agro with charging, but not to that degree. You have patience! When it does roll out big time, it'll change society. People will start reading books again (hopefully)

[@fsr170409]

Amazing review, very informative and honest. I'm just about to pick up an Ipace demonstrator.I really enjoyed my test drive in it.Thanks for a great video.

[@grayfool]

Very interesting journey. Jay Leno is always saying that the last versions of old tech are better than the early versions of new tech. Your experience seems to prove that statement very conclusively. Personality I think that this shows that the hardware is pretty good but, as with most computer based systems, the software really isn't up to the job yet. I find this is such a common problem that we live with every day of our lives. Just count the number of times you have issues with any digital system you use. We almost always end up as test subjects for companies who promise us "life changing" tech. We'll, I suppose it often does change our lives but not always in a positive manner. In case you are wondering, I am not a Ludite. I have a degree in computer systems design and love new tech. One of the reasons I don't use this in my professional live any more is well demonstrated by your example here. I sincerely pray that this situation improves very quickly. Unfortunately I suspect that it will take a long time to get it right. Sorry, rant over. I look forward to your next post. Really love your videos Ian. Thanks

[@vxrbandit2527]

Well put Sir 👌👌

[@kaitlyn__L]

I'm always disappointed by how unreliable "consumer grade" software is, compared to how reliable all the drive-by-wire systems are in cars from the last two or three decades! Most people don't even realise that their throttle control (to give but one example) is computer mediated, but hate the experience of using the car's stereo. Why is it like this, damn it!

[@busternineshoes]

When recharging an electric car is as fast as filling a petrol car, then it will make sense. And it's still not a green option until all electricity is produced from renewable sources. Great video all the same. Thanks Ian.

[@dandare2586]

The Scottish government is already consulting on how to tax leccy for EV's, so a classic bait and switch tax scenario awaits.......

[@simonfreeman2808]

Well of course. I mean the duty on fuel at the moment is so. Something like 80 %. If we all went electric tomorrow do you really think we won't be paying 20 per hour charge at services. Of course we will be

[@MrConor159]

It should be taxed per km or a flat tax not at source

[@arthurfarrow]

An incentive to charge up overnight, using the power point in your own garage.

[@zenbudhism]

Its free in Scotland

[@dandare2586]

@@zenbudhism What is free ???

[@alantarant3012]

Regardless of you not being a hybrid fan, I really enjoy your vlogs, I was born in Manchester,England and so love your humour and approach to fixing cars, even if it is not my approach to doing this. Best regards, Alan

[@tonycox5625]

Nice vid Ian,but all that aggravation with charging with charging the thing just confirms why I would never want one. And charging fees will only go higher as well. The Capri was nice though! 😁

[@Bevoin1970]

At the start of your video I was impressed with the jaguar. Alas by the end I thought nah....way too much hassle

[@AaronSmart.online]

I thought the infrastructure would be a lot better in the UK compared to here in Ireland, but it seems not! EVs make a lot of sense if you're mostly driving within the range from your home (charging at home is so much cheaper and can be done overnight), but you still have to be brave to do any long journeys with them. I think you got your kilowatts (unit of power) and kilowatt hours (unit of energy) mixed up a few times. It's hard to predict how fast a lot of these public chargers work, as they may claim to be say 50kW but that could be split if another car turns up, and the cars don't charge in a linear manner. Battery temperature and other factors can also affect charging speed, e.g. rapid charging could be restricted if the battery is hot after a long motorway journey.

[@markbradley5365]

I find the Infostructure good and getting better in the UK, you can't view it on a 1 hour video of a novice who wasn't given the correct tools (ZAPMAP and RFID cards start charger) when you own an EV you equip yourself with what you need for where you travel. Plus the Ecotricity chargers where working and on free vend all Ian needed to do was plug it in and press start. It's a bit like if I went to my local asda petrol station with cash I would not get any petrol because it chip and pin only.

[@HubNut]

The chargers did not work. It's ridiculous to expect people to sign up to cards and apps. Instavolt proved that what we need more of is simple chargers where a bank card can be used.

[@markbradley5365]

@@HubNut Instavolt started putting chargers out about 1 year ago, Ecotricity chargers are about 5 - 6 years old in technology terms they are ancient. They will be replaced with 150 KW ones, now if they don't accept debit/credit cards that will be ridiculous. I went to my local Asda filling station the other week in my mams Audi and couldn't put diesel in it because I only had cash and my Contactless phone on me. It was unmanned and chip and pin only. (didn't really happen but it could of) and i was amazed that it did have an indicator stalk!

[@markbradley5365]

@tone167 none, but I do drive an EV. I don't sell EVs either. I used to sell Citroens 😉

[@DaveCurran]

I've been driving an EV for six years and I can't say the charging infrastructure has improved much. The car is great, I do lots of short local journeys, so a Leaf is ideal for me, and only gets charged once a twice a month. Rarely need to do long journeys, but not yet confident enough to risk relying on a charger working when I've had a few too many occasions where I didn't desperately need a charge, but it would have been handy and found things not working, or already in use.

[@vikingraiders4138]

As good as this car is, it's just so cold and clinical, it's like an American fridge with an ice and water dispenser, cool, functional stylish, useful, but the novelty will wears off after a week. Where's the soul and personality, that you get with older cars. Your XJ40, despite all the faults and rust had a soul in my opinion. Nevertheless another "sterling" review :)

[@stevetaylor8698]

My old Sierra had a water dispenser - through the sun roof.

[@vikingraiders4138]

@@stevetaylor8698 Haha didn't need to pay extra for that.

[@logan86123]

I have a 2004 XK8 and I really feel like that's the sweet spot. It's new enough to be reliable but it still has all the old Jag personality and charm.

[@RexWaldron]

Thanks for the most honest review of the reality of running an electric car that I have yet seen. Like you, I like the idea of electric cars, and that I Pace was amazing, but the infrastructure absolutely SUCKS and renders the whole project unfeasible for my motoring requirements. Let's hope that there are significant improvements and quickly, though I'm not holding my breath!

[@darrenwilson8042]

the achilles heel of EV's - range and charge time. I did @ 400mls yesterday on petrol - filled up @ 350 miles at Tesco in York using tried and trusted technology - took me less than 10 mins to recharge with nearly 400mls of range ( petrol ) which I paid for at the pump. Nearly 40mpg not bad for a 14 year old 100k miles Picasso. I intend to run this into the ground and thus not add to those perilous greenhouse gases by having a manufacturer build me a new car - I remember your video pointing out that there is more harmful stuff pumped into the atmosphere making the darned things that comes out of the tail pipe. When its knackered and BER I'll just buy another cast off that some fool has insisted on changing for a new one when there's life in their old dog cast off yet

[@jimgamble2429]

This is what is needed, a down to earth, real world review... let’s hope the dealership and the manufacturer take notes and liase with the charger people. Well done hubbers, most enjoyable. Looking forward to the upgrade of this car.

[@pierre-de-standing]

You need a smart phone to charge the car? What if your phone dies or bricks? Jeez, what are we becoming. I'm guessing that the data about the journey is on Google's cloud by now, displayed on Jaguars Facebook page and monitored by GCHQ. All we need now is "Alexa, heat my seat and play some Barry Manilow"

[@неболтай-в2о]

You only need sun charging lightyear.one/lightyear-one/

[@CampGareth]

Coming back to this video years later is interesting, I think the charger network has improved since then but planning is still required. I did a trip last week from Manchester to Exeter and back in a Nissan Leaf 24kwh stopping about 16 times at 10 different chargers, I only hit one problem and the 24/7 helpline resolved it for me. When planning the route I asked ABRP for the next hop each time then checked it out in Zapmap to see if it had recently been reported working.

[@arrangrant4614]

I wonder if anyone ever converted an invacar to electric yet? Have you considered getting tuc converted?😮

[@dodgydruid]

A Dutch bloke converted his MK1 Reliant Robin to a very good electric setup, worth a read of his blog. China has been offering electric versions of its Robin-esque ripoff three wheelers and there is a rip of three wheeler Prius over there with electric and looks utterly ballsup at the Prius looks on a plastic piggy.

[@global_nomad.]

thanks for this video, good to see some real world experience. I have driven an i3 for a few days in London, and will shortly take a rented i-pace from London to Port Talbot and around for a few days. Will again be the first time I spend any time in an EV and have to think about a charging. Want everything to reaffirm my belief in the tech, but know i need to expect some difficulties.

[@Garffey]

Love the looks and performance Ian, downsides £65k and so much stress! (still couldn't afford one!)......I might watch your next EV caper in two years time, and still wouldn't buy an EV. How much were the total charging costs for the journey?

[@HubNut]

I did work it out but can't remember. £23 was the biggest charge and that got me about 200 miles.

[@cornishhh]

£23 for 200 miles. Is that similar to 60/70mpg on fossil fuel at UK prices?

[@HubNut]

No, more like 40. Similar to my 2CV.

[@cornishhh]

Thanks Ian; considerably more than my diesel ZX or petrol 205 in similar conditions, although obviously the Jag is a big luxury car. Thanks for the presentation; I completely agree with you about modern fossil fuel cars being unnecessarily complicated versions of older ones, and that the future is probably electric. I don't know what Jaguar do, but Renault charge a monthly rental for batteries which varies from £20 to £55 depending on what mileage you cover. This completely negates any cost savings of electric in addition to the "Refuelling" inconvenience. I know you're not interested in motorcycles, but you may be interested to look at Cedric Lynch's home made electric enclosed recumbent which cruises at 50+mph and has a range of 80 - 100 miles on a 50p charge. This has been on the road since the early 1990's and has covered over 150,000 miles.Thanks again for your excellent videos.

[@richardyarwood2747]

To my surprise that's considerably more expensive to run than my 13 year old Mondeo tdci which easily does north of 60mpg on a run. It would probably have made it there and back on a tankfull as well!

[@dawnnadir]

A lot of ex Hong Kong buses are living in the UK / Australia/ New Zealand for their retired life. Happy to see them going strong. If it was in Hong Kong they would end up in the junkyard sadly.

[@kodessa]

I like you even more since you use the word frunk.

[@bri77uk1]

The Jaguar guys demonstrating the car at Millbrook called it the "froot". Much better than frunk imo. More British.

[@tomscameras]

Great video. I very much get what you mean with that modern petrol/Diesel cars are sort of pointless when you can have great old cars, whereas electric cars are just very different and offer that effortless smooth power ...

[@sefikempowermentcoachvilla7843]

A great insight Ian, but seems a ball ache and far from perfect. Your old BX would of had you there and back on less than a tank and with none of that dead time 🤔🤔

[@pierrerheaume8864]

With those charging times one need Netflix of the dashboard,Mr HubNut.

[@arthurfarrow]

Surely, in the future, charging points should be universal, with a standardised charging fitting, so the any car can use any charger.

[@LancashireBob]

Apparently that is being rolled out. But if you can't fast charge what's the point of electric vehicles. Five minutes for my car empty to full then that's 600 miles of independence. Plus look at the depriciation on electric vehicles. Another five or ten years and they may be plausible.

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

bobs5050 just had a quick look on autotrader. 2015 fuel (1.6TDI) golf with 20k miles £10k. Same age and mileage egolf £19k

[@LancashireBob]

@@SquareoftheyearFM ok but what did the vehicles cost new. It's not how much they cost. Its how much you lose

[@LancashireBob]

@@SquareoftheyearFM Also while someone is hunting round for a working charger and maybe going out of their way like Ian had too. Then then tdi is going from A to B without issues. I am sure electric is going to be the way to go. But not yet. The technology and infrastructure has to change

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

@@LancashireBob by todays prices, £23k for the 1.6TDI match and £30 for the egolf so £13k lost for the oil burner and £11k lost for the egolf. Depreciation won't be a huge issue as there's a lot of demand for the batteries once the car is at the end of its life.

[@HowardLeVert]

A very interesting and informative video, Ian. I think my main criticism of the car is how claustrophobic that interior is! If I had that sort of money (it's a third of what my house is worth...) I'd have a rapid charger at home and the range would be adequate for my commute of 160 miles, recharging overnight. It would be interesting to compare how much a full charge costs versus the cost in petrol. I once drove a BMW i3 just after they had come out and I found the regenerative braking brilliant - less brake wear and energy recovery too, can't be bad.

[@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206]

Good quality video (As they always are) Just new cars are soulless piles of crap Thanks for the bonus bus section .

[@simonwoodworks8840]

I have a new I-pace and if I’m honest it’s the best decision I have ever made! (Not married 😁) however I do agree the infrastructure for EV isn’t great yet! However we can now use the Tesla rapid chargers which I’m sure the Tesla owners won’t be so happy about. However sharing is caring 😂 but I always find to plan the stops into my journey and the cost savings now due to fuel costs is insane if you have a EV tariff for your energy supplier. I can fully charge for less than a tenner! Brilliant car!

[@davidanderson3425]

After seeing this video I certainly DON'T want an electric car.

[@cappaculla]

Great video, the rear spoiler designed to blow water of the glass.. My uncle got a white one.. Beautiful, but he returned it due to the range issue.. They tried to reprogram it over the cellular connection from UK to Ireland but no luck...

[@Robert_B_445]

It’s a lovely looking thing but I’d prefer it with an engine

[@MrConor159]

It wouldn't look like they then. No space up front for any engine.

[@stevie007]

I personally feel that if I wished to be depressed about future technology I should first visit Hubut for an insider view😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢. Please, Ian, do give the occasional smile or happy laugh once in a while ( It goes a million miles in the feelgood good stakes for those watching ) 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 I have been an avid subscriber from the start and most definitely not some internet troller, but I do feel with you going to New Zealand for a while may bring back the Hubnut of old who we all loved and enjoyed watching.

[@HubNut]

I smiled quite a lot when playing with the bus...

[@stevie007]

@@HubNut Yes you did. I think Mrs Hubnut would bring back that loving smile ( Only my opinion of course )

[@ColinPrince]

First world problems........I’ll do a straight exchange, my 2003 Saab 9-3 for the Jag. Electric cars have not really caught on here in Australia and they are double the price, so it’ll be a long time until well even have the chance to drive one, unless you win the lottery. Enjoy the trip.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

Very informative video, Ian - one of your best. I've often thought EV manufacturers should hold a convention to design their cars to readily accept a rented battery pack - similar to the Calor Gas bottle system. Owners could turn up at a "petrol station" and swap their depleted battery pack for a replenished one. This would eliminate the two problems you highlighted, range angst and charging times.

[@MGBetts1]

I have thought the same thing for a long time - it should be possible to standardise batteries so that you pull into a service station, they change your battery and put your old one on charge for a later customer. At least that's my opinion.

[@saddoncarrs6963]

@@MGBetts1 Thanks - it's not just me, then.

[@cerealtiller]

@@MGBetts1 Yes..good notion and Vehicles would need redesigning for that to be Practical