REAL Web-Shooter Science EXPLAINED (3/3): Boy, what a downer ending...

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

“I’m usually pretty good about responding” YES you are!

[@theAmazing]

Yes I am!

[@vic.joe.lee06]

Also the extra pull force applied to the cable when at the bottom of the pendulum (while swinging) is also a factor to consider.

[@theAmazing]

Yes, absolutely also a big part

[@spider-610]

18:04 Over a decade ago, I won first place at my 4th grade science fair when I was 9, got into STEM since then. (Still have the trophy to this day).

[@theAmazing]

Never get rid of it!

[@step2807]

You should look at the hydrogel scientists made that makes a spider silk when the liquid evaporates. And there's a snail adhesive that scientists made that mimics snails mucus and held a 80kg man (I think maybe more) it's also a hydrogel that also needs water to evaporate to stick but when you add water it unsticks. Maybe you could combine them both and see if that works

[@thewatcher6830]

Honestly man as much as I would love to have a pair of web-shooters that looked and functioned like they did in comics/movies/video games etc., and somehow allowed me to swing around a city without dying , I'd honestly be just as happy to have a bulky gauntlet version that functioned like 2009 spiderman Noir's organic version , I'm talking no real web-lines or web-projectiles , just the webs kinda splattering everywhere , or creating short-ranged web-nets. What I'm trying to say is , I'm fine with whatever we get as long as it truly works.

[@theAmazing]

Ah that's a nice perspective!

[@velocity_trip9660]

I've never been too attached to the idea of the web line shooting at a single point. I think you had the right idea with the rotating multi shot web shooter before. Increasing surface area from the multiple points making contact with whatever wall or surface you're aiming at, and the coiling of all the sprayed webs obviously being what makes up for the spider web's less than satisfactory tensile strength. Although it would obviously have to be taken to an extreme to hold your own weight, like you described in the video. It'd end up looking more like a janky human sized attempt at what the Darwin's bark spider does (of whom I'm sure you've probably heard of hundreds of times haha), than Spider-Man shooting a single strand of web at a building. Idk, I'm not an expert lol

[@theAmazing]

People get attached to the idea of coiling strands together as if it magically increases the strength of the material, but that is not the case. The reason why ropes and cables do this is because if an individual strand breaks, then the rest of the rope is still perfectly intact. Regardless of coiling, (reminder that I tested a braided kevlar line in this video) the material properties I presented still take effect, you need the required cross sectional area of the cable, braided/coiled or not, to hold the required load.

[@CHOV1]

The only solution I can think of to swing between buildings is to launch soft projectiles that expand when they hit any surface and an electro-adhesion is activated, similar to the master chief's grappling hook but with projectiles that don't damage glass

[@theAmazing]

That is an interesting idea! I wonder if that type of adhesion could be strong enough IRL.

[@pathetictoaesthetic4518]

@@theAmazing one solution could be launching a hydrogel, but with the web shooter, have different nozzles with a motor that will wrap the lines around one simple line, this solves the safety factor problem, hydrogels are cheap, and quite strong. I made lines with this, and they held weight (NOTE: I had to tie it, it didn’t stick, but we could solve that problem)

[@SpiderManWinnipeg]

@@pathetictoaesthetic4518 yeah true but you still couldn’t swing because of all of the reasons the.amazing covers in the video- even if you had an indestructible rope with infinite stickiness you couldn’t swing

[@pathetictoaesthetic4518]

@@SpiderManWinnipeg the rope broke at the knot, where the most pressure is being put on it. The solution, launch multiple ropes, that way pressure is relieved from just one, I’ve literally made ropes using this method, it works

[@pathetictoaesthetic4518]

@@SpiderManWinnipeg I like to think of it like this, people once said that space travel was impossible, until someone did it, I choose to look at web fluid the same way

[@GrimTech-bk1px]

You know there’s other options if not webs fluid they could be used for swinging. You got up at three options. A: mace/Pepper/salt spray 🧂🌶 B: glue bomb 💣 or your case web grenade C: sanitizer spray do used to cleaned before touch any objects that contaminated. Either way The web fluids are still unique and useful to web objects to stick them with and blind your foes. Still keep up the good work. 👍🕷

[@Ebowleslap]

bruh said ending when it was less than half of the way through the video LOL

[@SpiderDevice]

On the subject of swinging, the "arms rip off" argument is generally just a brush-off. There's often really no point to discussing the topic with the individuals that don't inherently understand why it's not possible (and thereby, won't listen to reason). The physics of swinging from one stationary position to another is evident - it's possible; but, jumping from a rooftop, falling several hundred feet, then trying it is of course not (at least not without, yes, ripping your arms off or just flat out causing you to fall to your death). This causes people to mistakenly believe that swinging is possible, even in a limited context. Even if you somehow created a substance never before seen by man that was exactly like the webbing from the comics and movies, there is no way every condition (within the formula and the slight deviations of how it's mixed, within the shooter w.r.t. pressure or temperature, or within the environment) would be so on-the-nose as to allow it. I quite frankly don't think there's much that can be said to discourage people from wanting to swing, even with the data and figures displayed; I think it's just a matter of naivete that they need to overcome on their own. Similar to "You'll shoot your eye out" from A Christmas Story. It all seems like a pointless brush-off and just adults being stingy, until Ralphie hurts his eye exactly as they stated. Hopefully, these individuals will never have to experience injury to realize this.

[@theAmazing]

Haha that is a great analogy for it!

[@SpiderDevice]

@@Ebowleslap "to say anybody who doesn't figure out they couldn't jump off a building couldn't be reasoned with is kind of rude" Please reread what you wrote here. If someone has any illusions about jumping off a building, and it's not just fantasy to them, they *are* too far gone to be reasoned with. It should be common sense that you should not do this. It should be common sense that it's not possible; that it's fiction, and that if it were possible, then there would already be myriad people doing it. Again, this should be common sense - if someone is unable to understand that inherently, they'd be too naive to understand the physics behind it, or would ignore it anyway. In my first "Small Talks" video, I explained this already. Granted, I didn't do it very elegantly, as I myself was a lot younger at the time, and I left off with stating how you'd have to figure out how strong your formula was, how cohesive it was, etc. to determine if you could swing. The point was to encourage people to take what they had, at any point in the process, and test it (even minimally) to reveal it's not up to the task. But apparently that didn't come across. Nobody has to have "already thought as long and hard as [I]" to realize you shouldn't jump off a building. If they insist this is a good idea, then yes, they are devoid of reason.

[@SpiderDevice]

@Erik Bowles-Lapointe And to address your latter point - if a kid has a silly string launcher, will he jump off a roof with it? Yes. I have seen it. "If he has a brain, then probably not" You've proven my point. Kids are not smart. "And nobody young enough to do such a thing has a web fluid web shooter" but they often think they do. I have seen, and been contacted by, multiple people who have mixed a meager formula then jumped off even a low roof to test it. Why? Because they're, like, 10, and their prefrontal cortex hasn't developed yet. This worries me. Granted, it was my own naivete that caused me to not just put a disclaimer at the beginning of my videos and call it good. It's also worth noting that the physics of swinging (and why it's not possible) were already detailed years ago by White_widow on our RealWebTech site. It was my understanding, for a time, that most people would read this site when coming into the project. But, I hadn't realized how far it had grown beyond the confines of the SHH forums. Again, that's my own naivete. I don't plan on making the same mistakes again.

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

@@SpiderManWinnipeg Spider has stated “beyond reasoning with”, that’s as close to “they’re not able to” as you can get without outright saying it.

[@mlkzikao164]

i even think the "arms rip off" isnt even true actually because part of the impact will be absorbed by the web elasticity

[@Ra3_ar1adnE]

I'm wondering if you'd try making a webshooter that'll have a detachable FPC trigger instead of the flip out mechanical ones, I know you'd have to create a new valve that has to be super small, I'd recommend using those small servos from those plane models.

[@theAmazing]

Used to do electronic triggers way back, but due to a lack of electric valve actuation methods, switched to mechanical as it is simpler. I am moving back to electronic now as the mechanisms have been pushed as far as they can go in my eyes.

[@matthewmcgibbon302]

Great video I've actually been experimenting with web fluid and have gotten into the early testing phase this series of videos has helped alot with the physics and the cohesion and adhesion

[@theAmazing]

Glad I could help!

[@_nnon_8397]

Great video! I've been thinking about how I could develop web fluid, and to do this, not only chemistry would be needed, but also technology and shooting technique. To begin with, the fluid should be an adhesive rather than a cohesive, why do I say that? Simple, the web shooter uses the spinneret system, which makes the spider webs that pass through the holes of the nozzle intertwine, creating a stronger and more resistant union due to the adhesive factor and maybe even sticking to the nozzle (and having this in mind, make a retractable web shooter, not as much as a real one, but something interesting). In case it doesn't stick to the nozzle, to catch the spider silk in your hands you would have to shoot with your arm bent and stretch your arm to catch the webs, wearing non-stick gloves so your hands doesn't stick. Regarding the swing issue, for obvious reasons you won't go at 100m/s (although it doesn't sound that impossible either, but you would have to have extraordinary physical abilities), what we will do is a swing like the first swing of TASM1 or like the one from Spider -Man PS1 game, but with both hands. To avoid being dismembered in falls, you must always aim diagonally to create a swing curve, if you are very close to the ground, climb with yout hands the spider webs, hardest as fuck, but better than die. YOU SHOULD NEVER SHOOT UPWARDS TO STOP A FALL, THIS WILL ONLY CAUSE DAMAGE If you made it this far, thank you so much for reading all of this! I'm not really someone who knows very well all this about the conditions of being Spider-Man, I'm just a guy with a lot of free time, but still learning so many things is great and fun, I would also like to make my own web shooter, but I don't have the resources or much information to give a project that I'm sure can work (I really have an idea, but if you want me to talk about it, tell me and I'll tell you about it in another comment). Likewise, I don't feel that this is impossible, an Italian youtuber has already created a web shooter with three types of shooting/web, the video in question is kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKC4pXeLhLOeeas I hope this community continues to grow, and that soon we will see people swing through the streets (and not die)

[@devduthk3816]

Hey, I was thinking about how not even the strongest superglues can support our weight. What if the end of the web line was bigger? More surface area? Like, spinneretts should be delayed for 0.5 seconds and then it should spin. It'll hopefully give an effect like in the movie where the end of the web is spread out.

[@o.mm-x8772]

Nice vid, I love tasm movies so much and I’m glad Andrew Garfield is getting his well deserved love. I always thought his webshooters were a bit too small too but I always loved how small they were lol. I still think you and the rest of the community can figure it out.

[@o.mm-x8772]

I also forgot to mention but I think it would be really cool to make a web grenade or something like that from Spiderman homecoming

[@symbioteshost1811]

Great video man! Hope it gets around so more people can understand our web shooters arent designed to allow us to swing from anything. As its never going to be possible

[@theAmazing]

Not in our lifetimes at least! Thanks man.

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

As .Amazing said, never say never!

[@vic.joe.lee06]

I never clicked on a video so fast. Even though I don't understand it, I like to watch progress of real webshooters and I really think that you're gonna be the first one to truly pull it off.

[@theAmazing]

I and many others are doing really good stuff on this subject!

[@advancedinventions1822]

Great job! This series has been some of my favorite videos you have made! And hands down some of the best resources for people researching web shooters and fluid. Keep up the Great work!

[@theAmazing]

Thank you! Glad I could be of service to people.

[@natbrown7012]

first of all, this was a great video and I really appreciate all of the effort and creativity that goes into all of these videos. Can someone maybe explain (and this is just the first thought that came to mind and is probably very flawed) why it wouldn't be possible to make a cable that was made of sort of a matrix of fiber as opposed to just a solid tube so that the about of air would be greater and therefore the cable could be more easily compressed?

[@theAmazing]

The air doesn't contribute to the strength of the cable, only the cable material on its own, you'd still need the required cross section of pure cable material for the required strength, and thus the required volume as well.

[@dukydevil2542]

I just want to be able to grab far away objects

[@theAmazing]

That could be done with one of my devices in the future!

[@dukydevil2542]

Epic

[@dukydevil2542]

@@theAmazing also do you have any advise for starting a spiderman themed KZbin channel?

[@SpiderManWinnipeg]

Finally a big name is saying something about this! The most possible web shooter idea are the capture nets, or just spray on glue ideas.

[@Hurt_Gaming]

what if u added a system of instant drying as it ejected, think of chemicals that even on the base level wouldn’t normally work but when heat applied could cause certain changes in its properties to be more cohesive or adhesive. and try making an almost entirely cohesive material and almost entirely adhesive and work those together wether straight out the web shooter or with a heating system, and remember spinnerets, webbing is braided. 3d print out a mechanical system that when force is applied spins but has tiny nozzles braiding in a way. weird to explain without my notebook sketches but u get the gyst

[@emmanuelhyacinthe4361]

Can u do a nylon rope or a really strong rope that gets coated on the way out . so like 3 points that go out to 1 so the the 2 liquids and the rope sit in the web shooter and meet on the way out , so that the solution only has to be sticky the rope can take care of the strength

[@humangumball2094]

Does that mean you won’t be doing anymore web fluids ? Please don’t stop web fluid is way more interesting. I’m not saying you shouldn’t try grappling hooks I just mean you should not stop the web fluids I hope some day we can swing around like spidey, good luck! Love your vids btw

[@theAmazing]

No lol I have a LOT of ideas for web fluids, and I will present them, don't worry. They may end up holding useful loads, but don't expect any swinging on them. However, DO expect me to do some swinging on actual ropes, i.e. grappling. :)

[@humangumball2094]

@@theAmazing nice, I can’t wait for that! And good luck btw :)

[@relyt4119]

Awesome video/videos man! Enjoyed this mini series!

[@jalahjava_]

Everytime I come back it's always interesting xD Keep it up dude

[@VlogJourneyOfficial]

I heard that you can use laundry detergent to make silk harder, if you could create something to shoot the detergent out onto the web or mix them together, you could get a silk that’s strong.

[@theAmazing]

It depends, currently silk is not part of the web fluid equation. And additionally, harder ≠ stronger. But an interesting idea!

[@CrunchyPearss]

What about pressuring the fluid inside of the cartridge to increase storage space. Idrk if this would work but i would like to see it explained. Anyway great video seriously underrated

[@theAmazing]

Since liquids and solids are essentially incompressible, this does not work in real life. Basically, their molecules are too close together to be pushed together any further, unlike with gas, which is compressible.

[@oddball8969]

I find this super interesting yet confusing but all I can say is. “NNNNEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDD”

[@theAmazing]

This is accurate

[@jetstreamwinds6072]

Really would like some at-home build of web shooters and fluid without complicated expensive contraptions and 3d printers

[@theAmazing]

Imma be honest, that's not what I do. I do what is necessary to make GOOD web shooters.

[@salehalaeddin3354]

Hi there!! I'm currently working on my own set of gadgets including Web Shooters, Grippy Mechanism for latching onto surfaces( Gecko pads), Electricity generation (stuff like piezoelectric components) As well as a lot more, and I would really like to contact you for more info about your web shooter design and progress, and the truly fascinating topics you present Also you may have seen the video by the channel Built IRL, were he demonstrated web slinging capabilities. I kinda wonder what type of rope did he use? if you've got an idea.

[@filigenzilab9613]

Instead of acrylic as the polymer, what if one dissolved UHMWPE? The tensile strength is greater than that of nylon, but to dissolve such, one must use heated acetone (not heated by flame), a dangerous chemical to work with, one I do not recommend

[@theAmazing]

Also depends on the evaporation of the propellant, does the propellant also dissolve UHMWPE? Because otherwise the evaporation of the propellant will not solidify the web.

[@filigenzilab9613]

@@theAmazing thanks for the advice. Also, what do you think of the idea of using a filler, like colloidal silica 406? If I’m not mistaken, when it is dissolved properly, the silica particles form a sort of matrix, and each particle by them self have a relatively high tensile strength

[@filigenzilab9613]

@@theAmazing would you mind if I further inquire on the subject of web shooter chemistry?

[@filigenzilab9613]

@@theAmazing also, you have made an amazing video series on the topic

[@universalpathos8568]

BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL WORK!

[@theAmazing]

Thank you so much 😀

[@scrapyardengineer1597]

Hello I lv9e your videos and I just got on the video and I can already tell it good lol

[@_c0sm0_52]

I’ll settle for a daredevil swinging billy club at this point tbh

[@theAmazing]

Check MaxBrainDevices!

[@SpiderDevice]

On a lighter note, fantastic video, fantastic series, fantastic message. You're correct - this is an indispensible must-watch.

[@theAmazing]

Thank you! That means a lot coming from the OG!

[@dalonmoore3733]

Woah man great to see u again, device! Didn't even know u were still active

[@michaeljordan5630]

Personally for time being why not create wrist grapple hooks?

[@theAmazing]

I'll be working on both!

[@trstech3128]

Great video man!

[@vic.joe.lee06]

in the kevlar demo, it looked like the rope untied from the bar above, it didn't break, right? Would that be an inaccurate test because its not measuring the tensile strength of the cable?

[@theAmazing]

It did actually break can confirm!

[@vic.joe.lee06]

@@theAmazing sorry, I didn’t watch the rest of it before I stayed the comment

[@ikkon2909]

Nice love your work

[@ikkon2909]

I try to be like you and make a next gen web Shooter

[@runawayexejava6434]

amazing (didnt mean to do a pun lol) you inspire me so much in your vids keep it up

[@mrgreenwaffles2202]

im new to this series so you certainly could’ve mentioned this already, but have you considered using carbon nanotubes formed into threading rather than liquid webbing?

[@theAmazing]

Solid line web-shooters sorta out of the scope of this. But to answer your question, CNT are currently only manufacturable using slow and inefficient laboratory processes, not useful to me.

[@mrgreenwaffles2202]

@@theAmazing got it, thanks for the reply!

[@ikkon2909]

What Material is your valve stem in your latest web Shooter?

[@Jormrr]

This is really promising, cant wait to see where you go from here 🍩

[@JustAnotherJames3]

As far as the arms-fall-off thing goes, we already have trapeze artists irl, so I just sorta took that to be an issue of superhero fans drumming up the badassery of their favorite character, like all the Batman wank.

[@MalikRussell]

I was also that kid that got into STEM (but that was around middle school) and was always fascinated on how Spider-Man's web shooters worked. I knew it wasn't currently possible at this time because of our limitations of physics and ingredients that are currently available to us (commercially, that is.) Maybe in the near future will science allow us to achieve such feats because science itself is always evolving. So who knows?

[@theAmazing]

Exactly. Who knows? I'm going to be the one to answer these questions more concretely with actual experimentation. Thank you for watching!

[@mae-the-art-boi]

I hate to suggest it however, Ai could help, at least in theory

[@Jbearzy]

UHMWPE cables are stronger that aramid. Not sticky tho :(

[@Jbearzy]

Specifically dyneema

[@Jbearzy]

It melts at a pretty low temp of like 150C ish, maybe end could be melted as its launched out, then technically mechanical adhesion onto rough surfaces.

[@theAmazing]

that's an interesting idea! typically the molecular chains can degrade with heat tho, so it may lose strength

[@abacombos2494]

Yo can you like make the web shooters now 🤔

[@theAmazing]

you donkey have you even looked at my channel

[@ScarlettS3]

Well I mean you never know life finds a way I mean come on what the point in wasting money on all of the webfluids we’ve done in our lives I mean surly we all are expecting something so Ik your saying it’s not possible but there is a way around everything and I’m gonna keep looking btw your my favorite Spider-Man well Andrew first but anyways good video

[@theAmazing]

I am also my second favorite Spidey behind Andrew 😂 keep up with the optimism, it's what makes advances!