Missing Without a Trace: The Suspicious Case of Patricia Goodband | Nighmare In Suburbia| Real Crime

[@jeanvignes]

Women are far better off without a late-in-life entanglement. There are so many Lotharios out there, variously dangerous. Enjoy your garden, your dogs, your family, enjoy hobbies, volunteering, and well-earned peace, enjoy good books, good food, and early-to-bed. To heck with "charming" men.

[@geanettepartington691]

100% correct. I am age 67 now, and can confirm that men have NEVER been the answer to ANY of my problems -- they have generally only made it WORSE. I am not a lesbian, yet it is impossible to find a "good man" these days. Female roommates during the college days were NEVER trustworthy. I ended up paying THEIR bills and MY bills, too. Then I was together with my first husband for 19 years. He turned out to be just like the female roommates, only a WORSE RIP-OFF than THEY ever were, all the while making people think that HE was the "sugar daddy." It was ridiculous.

[@montinaladine3264]

So well said, totally agree!!!

[@commancheheart420]

Totally agree, most men our age are just looking for money, free food, and free housing.

[@beachcomber1able]

​@@commancheheart420 Just because you old man haters have dried up mud holes , that doesn't mean that lots of mature women don't like a nice meaty podger now and again. 😄

[@user-sy6fj2bm1z]

It doesn’t matter what age anymore. You can’t trust anyone anymore

[@marilynleveque2497]

Being a Registered Nurse in Medicare Rehab I can tell of many stories like this. Parents sometimes cut kids off or decrease contact. Not just the kids moving out or kids moving on but their parents moving on. When the parents get older they may take up friendships with shifty people. Poor kids left to sort out what happened.

[@luns486]

How sad.

[@montinaladine3264]

Very good comment.

[@kathywinter7793]

Thank you so true. Parents do cut off their kids.

[@lindasheldon6940]

I'm a retired RN and have seen it both ways. I'd worked geriatrics and hospice for 30+ yrs. I was always working and on call and sadly, with a disabled husband, had to assume financial responsibility for supporting my family, which in turn, was not there as much as I should have been in their formative yrs tho we all loved each other dearly. Now they are grown w their own children / grandchildren and we don't see each other unless it is at one of their child's functions and Christmas Eve. It is not of my doing or desire but that they are now busy leading their own lives. My daughter calls me weekly and we chat. My son is not much of a telephone conversationalist. RIP Pat.

[@ebybeehoney]

- you could say that about any time in life. A female is more likely to be killed by a spouse or partner than anyone else.

[@moondancer4660]

Why would a woman leave money and a house to a man that is not her husband or even her boyfriend? It is my opinion that for a woman to leave that much money to a man in her will she is basically signing her death warrant.

[@BlessedBeing751]

Wouldn't be surprised if he manipulated the will or even Pat!

[@cavemanmeat8321]

And would you feel the same if the genders were switched?

[@moondancer4660]

@cavemanmeat8321 obviously I am aware, as a sixty-year-old woman with plenty of life experience that men are a lot more likely than a woman to kill their girlfriend / boyfriend for money. But to answer your question I personally would not feel right if a man put me in his will for a large sum of money and / or a very expensive house unless of course he married me first. And even if he married me first, I still would not feel comfortable if he left absolutely everything to me. I would expect him to leave something to his children🤷‍♀️

[@splinterbyrd]

Well that's the point. She left everything to him. Why kill her?

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

@@splinterbyrd To get it SOONER obviously.

[@franceslynch8815]

My first question, why was it acceptable to hear someone say their wife had died, and then hear their 3 children had died also? No queries or even curiosity seemed to have arisen. It's so easy to trust other people. Im hoping i learn from this chilling, frightening documentary. The police were wonderful, very hard working and caring.

[@miradesnan38]

Same thought here...

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

💯💯💯💯

[@Celticmist-qz6ve]

They could have been killed

[@armiesep8710]

I thought the same thing. Then again I was an investigator for fraud and worked for Homeland security. I have a mind that discerns.

[@amcc5887]

My thoughts exactly 💯

[@chriscody1761]

Extremely sad what happened to Pat. If I told my kids not to visit, they would want to know why, and do a random unannounced visit anyway. I bet you the woman who wrote the card, won't ever do that again after getting 6 mths jail. Be very careful when people ask you to lie or cover for them or write things that don't make sense, as you can be stung for it.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Yeh, I saw recently a story about a woman who had been subject to romance catfish on internet. She had helped her "boyfriend" with money and received some back what she sent back to him. She was now being charged with breaking federal laws of money laundering. The money she had received and sent most of was actually sent by someone who had made an online purchase of some item and apparantly paid to her account, and then she forwarded most to her scammer boyfriend. I saw it as a reaction video at "Sean of steel".

[@armintasonius1255]

I wouldn't do it period, for any reason or anybody, just how I am. Those kids didn't care obviously either. I mean really, can you imagine?

[@CarolGerhardt]

​@@johannas.l.brushane2518q Qq

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

How sad. Aging people should be safe seeking companionship without being abused or murdered.

[@jeangemmel7895]

Indeed they should, sadly some people are like lions seeking out their prey. Poor woman.

[@Faristol7]

​@@jeangemmel7895l'm very sure that l won't be getting involved with just whoever comes along smiling at me like Prince Charming if l'm ever widowed.......l'll have some money, if that's the case, and at my age that's more attractive to any men friends than my 'looks' or ',personality'!

[@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353]

That goes for anyone of any age😊

[@henryworthington8261]

There is such a thing as ageing with dignity and grace. Seeking a new relationship is not dignified.

[@fimasobak2520]

What is the matter with some of the 72-s ? Are they not happy to be free and in charge of their own life? Why do they need a men's trousers to wash, opinion to consider and, possibly, orders to follow? There are so much to enjoy, when you are free and healthy at 72: children, grandchildren, night out with best friend, new dress, dancing club, hiking club and much more. You do not need a user and abuser in your life at that age. And everything you have, should go to your children and a grandchildren.

[@Kathleenkelly70]

Amen sister!!!

[@PatriciaAShelton-no6cq]

Never again. Fifty years of marriage and still going. My husband has been disabled and sick for the past fifteen years. I'm his care taker ,an I have it all to do. It's hard to find any time for myself. Love gardening, especially my flowers. He finds things for me to constantly be doing for him. Time keeps ticking away, don't know who will go first, but if he does, I can honestly say I will never deal with another man. Pat seemed as a very independent woman. The fact she was searching for a new home proves she was breaking ties with him. First thing she should have done was changed her will. Seems he knew she was about to leave,and she would be changing it. So he got rid of her to have it all. Even asking one of his three girlfriends to move in with him. What a sinister man.

[@uniquelylisa]

True

[@beaulieuc8910]

Not all women want kids

[@TinyStar-oz3bo]

Maybe she didn't want to buy a truck and make all the deliveries herself? If she could afford to live alone she probably wouldn't have been cleaning houses.

[@deborah7164]

It never too late to be a scumbag. And you're never to old to be a fool for 'love'.

[@montinaladine3264]

You got the spelling of one "too" correct. Just leaves the other one to be corrected.

[@NewYorkActingCoach]

Sorry if this sounds insensitive, but this is incredibly well made. It has constant detail, and i's all done at speed, and the narrators, especially the female one, know how to seem involved and for a tension to build. An incredibly professional, and caring production.

[@montinaladine3264]

Wouldn't totally agree - it's good, but that soppy piano music all the way through is just vomit. Not necessary for any 'mood' music at all - the story and images create it's own mood in each individual viewer.

[@3BK235Y]

And why should that sound inensitive?

[@NewYorkActingCoach]

@@3BK235Y Because applauding the quality way in which a tragic subject is dealt with could seem insensitive to the terrible sadness which this subject must still be for those involved. So I was trying to make my point carefully. J.

[@LKre-vi5oq]

Not insensitive, it's an excellent production.

[@3BK235Y]

@@montinaladine3264 When it comes to background music, most of them end up putting their foot in in their mouth.

[@karenglenn6707]

I’m a 64 yr old, very happily single mum of an adult son who lives with my doggies and would never get involved with a male again. My life is peaceful, drama free and very happy as it is, why on earth would I want some male in it? I was a bit wild when I was younger but now really could not be bothered. Life is great!!

[@ruthsmith1694]

I`m a contented 69 yr old single mum to my 27 yr old son who would never get involved in a relationship with a man again. My son has 2 older half brothers from a previous long and quite happy marriage. I also have 3 grandkids. I like my life the way it is and feel very contented and have no intentions of getting in any kind of relationship again. This vulnerable and most probably very lonely woman Patricia was conned big time by this heartless and evil person who took advantage of her vulnerability. That rotten evil greedy killer is where he belongs.

[@ingyell24]

​@ruthsmith1694 I'm 52, single, with 3 adult sons. Happy to remain single, never want a relationship again. It's really not worth the hassle. I'm content on my own.

[@resQfurppl]

ditto! 53, happily single most of my life. drama free, happy, always done better single than with some man draining me

[@simmsdiana9041]

Same!

Right with you , Ladies. I'm 67 yrs old , single Man with no children. I am done with the drama , have friends that make me happy. There are those who prey on the lonely. Don't be lonely!! But don't be a victim either

[@aprilstar3572]

Rest in peace Patricia , I’m so glad that her killer was caught and is being punished for it .

[@pathader4839]

It's never a good idea to be worth more dead than alive😢 Be very careful who you let into your life

[@patriciatreslove4449]

That is very true, I am in a difficult position right now, having to change my will and make sure the couple knows they will no longer inherit, which will make me safe again, for 8 years I have been fooled

[@CherryBelle-sh2jx]

@@patriciatreslove4449 I'm so sorry to hear this. Please make sure your solicitor takes care of you and contact police re advice on changing locks. I wish you well for the future.....pls try not to dwell on past or look backwards......you're going forward into a bright future. Take care xx

[@mariawestman9026]

@@patriciatreslove4449 I hope you have made it by now. 🙏 The lady in this case was also named Patricia. Take good care of yourself Patricia! 🌟❤️🌟

[@cheryl2103]

@@patriciatreslove4449 Wise move ❤Take care x

[@theoriginalbluey]

How was he 63? He looked more like 93. Horrible 'man'.

[@taghiabiri3489]

😂 probably true! Another lie he managed successful.

[@JulieRushworth]

I'm sure they firstly said 59

[@sct4040]

🤦🏻‍♀️ it’s a recreation.

[@LostwaveObsession]

@@sct4040 44:22 pic of actual perpe is being referred to.

[@joanmccutcheon]

If I told my kids not to call or visit, they would be at my home as a matter of urgency. How sad, poor woman.

[@barbarakiser5622]

Exactly. If someone called my kids and told them I was acting off, they’d be at my doorstep in a heartbeat.

[@jeanhind8198]

That's because your behaviour would be suddenly out of character and immediately a cause for concern. Pat, though, was a very private person who always behaved this way, and got annoyed with anyone questioning her.

[@barbarakiser5622]

@@jeanhind8198 true.

[@Liitebulb]

Well my family has tried this attention seeking tactic before only to attack and assault me when I arrive. My favourite is when she constantly sends psychotic messages I WANT TO BE ALONE, NO ONE SPEAK TO ME! And keeps coming to your house. So after these antics, when you tell me to leave you alone, you got it. No problem.

[@HAIRHOLIC_1]

The fact that she never went anywhere, and spent Christmas with friends and not with family, tells you a lot about their relationship. It clearly wasn’t a close relationship.

[@dafinker3443]

What strange mother / family relationship 🤔

[@Liitebulb]

Not. Many relationships are like this, they're just not on tv

[@muddydog6605]

It's very common and Not strange at all. Not everyone's family are the Waltons.

[@melifer1]

Right?! 76 year old ladies with one daughter tend to want to be visited, called, checked on, made to feel valuable. Instead she basically told her daughter to piss off.

[@sleepygirl3022]

@@muddydog6605you don’t have to be the Waltons to care about your family 🙄

[@jeffjones3040]

​@@sleepygirl3022....You are confusing caring about your family and being all over their nuts!

[@eviemc]

It's such a shame. This poor lady didn't have someone to look out for her😢

[@splinterbyrd]

This sort of thing is of course nothing new. But what *is* unusual is that she, her family and the community knew this man for *30y,* and none of them found anything amiss about him. He's a very convincing operator.

[@stillwaters5671]

She was a private person and didn’t allow it really.

[@Celticmist-qz6ve]

She seemed to be cutting the children out of her life at that point

[@splinterbyrd]

@@Celticmist-qz6ve That is always an unwise thing to do.

[@G-Star-Raw]

Whats more shocking is he is 63, looks near 80.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

Yes and then he gets all of those ladies going for him. Makes no sense at all. I also think he looks terrible. I would never trust that face at all.

[@jeanhind8198]

I know! And it turned out he had multiple lady friends as well as a devoted wife?! He must have had something..

[@mariawestman9026]

Hands .. muscles and a good listener and good mood is working well … Sadly she was killed bc of money. I don’t get why people are willing to risk their lives for putting a no relative to inheritance everything if they dies 🤷‍♀️ Why on earth didn’t Pat want her daughter to have anything at all ? I think it’s scary that it’s legal to do so.

[@HAIRHOLIC_1]

I was just wondering whether the interview was done many years afterwards because i couldn’t connect his face with his age 🤯. 63 nowadays it’s still very young, I work in care homes and 63 is still a baby 🤣. My mother in law is 72 and she looked 20 years younger than this fella 💀

[@ButterflyWings1900]

I agree, he looks older than my 90 yr old father. Maybe those lies were wrecking havoc on his looks, plus would be very tiring with all these women he was stringing along……what a stud….not….

[@queenasheeba2953]

Chris had lied for so long to so many people and gotten away with it, that he assumed he was cleverer than everyone else! He thought he had committed the perfect crime, but thank God for the good police men and women who actually did their job properly and followed the evidence. Sadly Pat didn't have a very close relationship with her daughter. When she said she phoned her mum once a month I nearly fell off my chair! My siblings and I phone my mother every night - we each have our own timeslot! 😂 I'm not judging the daughter because no one knows anyone else's relationship, but it's clear they weren't close. Either way, the poor woman didn't deserve to be murdered. She was clearly a capable, intelligent, hard working woman who just had very bad taste in men. Sadly there are many, many women in her position to this day. 😢

[@christinasmith3699]

Is it a bad taste in men, or is it men are bad?

[@MichaelaH2059]

I'm 63 yo and happily married. *IF* I should find myself single in the future, I would NEVER consider re-marrying. Too many crazies out there. RIP PaT Goodband

[@Liitebulb]

She wasn't remarried

[@MichaelaH2059]

@@Liitebulb I realize that.

[@MichaelaH2059]

@@Liitebulb and?

[@FigaroHey]

Am I missing something? Chris calls her daughter and tells her that her mother is behaving oddly, but there's nobody else who can attest to Pat taking a trip or leaving her van in town? That could be gaslighting and premeditation to make sure that people were prepared for her disappearing.

[@ggurks]

You're not missing anything, he murdered her in the end

[@splinterbyrd]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Has it ever crossed your mind that your neighbour, friend or someone at work is a killer?

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

On the other hand, Pat seems very private, keeping her acquaintances closed off. She was described as "chatty" by the couple she cleaned at at times and she did not mention any abou she had some business with that Chris.

[@splinterbyrd]

@@johannas.l.brushane2518 And she and her family had known this man for *30y* and apparently seen nothing untoward about him. Con artists usually set to work straight away. That aspect of this case is possibly unique.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@@splinterbyrd Perhaps it was a genuine partnership of some kind to begin with and they eventually came to dislike one another (maybe the mother did behave strange to some degree)? He could have been a kind of a leech from the start, but the mom seemed to keep a bit of a solitary life by her choice (i.e. not the lonely who seek company)?

[@kathleenmartin7498]

Stories like this make you never want to trust anyone!

[@carolray9737]

I don't trust anyone but my sister and a couple of friends.

[@jeanettecardinal790]

@@carolray9737 , me too loads of aquantances but can count those i trust implicitally on three fingers.

[@margkropf5541]

Which is why I trust nobody.

[@lilackey]

Moral of the story: don't trust new "business partners" at any age or stage of life, unless you meet their family/friends often. Surround yourself with good trustworthy caring friends. RIP Patricia, let your soul finds peace now. Amen.

[@jettjones9889]

Strange daughter/mother relationship

[@deborah7164]

PS, my daughter and I check in daily..I'm blessed 😂❤

[@Coffeecall-v2l]

Same..

[@suzanneb2024]

My daughter and I the same. Go approx 1 month without talking would be the worse!!!

[@ButterflyWings1900]

Same with me and my two sons, communicative every day 😢

[@sleepygirl3022]

Same. Message my mum and sister daily and also my sons. Once a month seems very distant 😢

[@aveggiecooks]

Same, both my children contact me daily, my daughter texts me numerous times during the day, we know everything the other one doing. The daughter smiling as she talked about her mother's death struck me as very odd. My mother died 42 years ago and I still get very emotional talking about it as I miss her so much

[@einienj3281]

If my mom told me to not visit her, I'd go visit her immediatly, like "wtf mom?"

[@gazXspace]

😂 me too

[@AlpineSprinkles]

I know right.

[@leam7018]

Expeditiously

[@Sigma2HisAlpha]

Exactly Lolol

[@grumpynanny7402]

My daughter would do same.

[@ccasey1904]

I think this is really sad. Pat had known Chris for so many years.

[@jeannemarcinek4575]

When money is involved it changes people.

[@robinmitchell4443]

Her kids never came and checked. I have no clue as to how far apart this is but come on

[@gazXspace]

The mother & daughter were practically estranged for some unknown reason - not in the will - spoke once a month - last saw her 2007 - thats sad, but it happens.

[@jdee4956]

She ended up getting all the money though, didn't she?

[@gazXspace]

@@jdee4956 I expect so - however - I don't think you can put monetary value on broken estranged relationships plus a horrendous murder the daughter spoke like she's detached from it so maybe you can

[@Liitebulb]

It was hinted that when she married her husband she relocated far away and her mother wasn't happy that they wouldn't relocate locally. But in families like this problems go on for decades before

[@avicennitegh1377]

@@Liitebulb Yes, up to a point it seems Patricia liked things her way and there was a grudge.

[@Darcey-t4s]

Weird dynamics

[@zxy78267]

This is such a sad case. She was a very successful, level headed, independent woman, and he stole everything she worked for. Worst of all, he stole her life. I feel terrible for her daughter and grandsons. I hope her daughter was able to recover something after her mother put him in her will. I feel like he had a lot to do with that.

[@sophiejameson4064]

Under British law Chris couldn't inherit. Murderers can't benefit from their crimes. Patricia's Will would therefore be void, leaving her intestate, and her daughter, as her next of kin, would have inherited her mother's estate.

[@sunflowerz54]

Alarm!! Why would she completely cut out her children from her will. Leaving EVERYTHING Sounds fishy. It was so thoughtful of the couple she cleaned for to be so concerned They got the ball rolling!! I don’t trust these men She would not carry a large amount of cash and travel far away ??

[@KimKim-pp5fn]

because her daughter called her ONLy once in a month !!!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Faristol7]

@sunflowerz54: l think she was secretly in love with him & hoped them to be a couple - at least until he started the FB in 2007. Then she was just probably embarrassed and tried to cover it all up in front of her daughter, yet still with hopes of being romantically involved with him some day.😊

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

I think Chris forced her to write the will for him.

[@janetpendlebury6808]

@@KimKim-pp5fn You have no idea of what sort of childhood the daughter had, maybe the mother was not a very good mother and the daughter suffered mental or physical abuse! At least she did keep in touch once a month. Not all parents have wonderful relationships with their grown up children, especially if the parents have been abusive.

[@fayeashcroft7066]

I think she had a hold over chris early in the relationship She must’ve known he had girlfriends if they weren’t having a sexual relationship Very weird how she got Chris to drive her everywhere because she was very clever with money 💰 real estate Unbelievable Australia 🇦🇺

[@sianjones3721]

When was the last time her daughter saw her mum face to face.and they dident see each other during christmas it's a strange arrangement.

[@fredMplanenut]

Well constructed presentation, sad for Patricia and her family and friends. Glad to know that justice prevailed.

[@ingridhead6574]

Nice to see some good detective work ……….. poor lonely woman …. RIP

[@sheilasmith7779]

People who know nothing about Pat's relationship with her children, make judgements. One smile by the daughter during an interview, more judgements. Not reporting their mother missing quick enough, more judgements. Criticisms and suspicions with so little knowledge of any of these people or circumstances.

[@splinterbyrd]

Agreed. The daughter looks to me like someone who still hasn't accepted that it's actually happened. As I once heard a witness say who was in a similar situation; "I don't believe it. I know it's true but I don't _believe_ it."

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@PoX-amp If my comment isn't clear to you, nothing I write now will change that. A clue: One word in my comment was repeated 3 times.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@@PoX-amp Because at the heart of what has lead to false arrests, assaults against innocent people and ruined reputations, are thoughtless remarks. We should care not to harm the reputation of others with gossip......even criminal cases presented online. Put ourselves in the shoes of the daughter in this case whose mother was murdered. Vicious gossip ruined John and Patsy Ramsey, the parents of a murdered child. Words always matter.

[@sandraspengler4740]

It seems that Mom was a homebody, also she didn't approve of the daughter's husband, that would slowly make the man fulfill all her needs and the daughter would become redundant

[@jeanvignes]

Her daughter's apparently ill-timed smiles are more about nerves and social anxiety than "enjoyment". Many mammals will "show" their teeth when anxious. It's not the same thing as having a happy giggle. Sheesh.

[@Tina06019]

Lots of commenters are criticizing Pat’s daughter, but honestly, not all families are close on a daily or even weekly basis. That doesn’t mean they have no care for each other.

[@bernieoconnell5515]

It actually does mean that. Sad.

[@lizb4156]

​@@bernieoconnell5515No it doesn't.

[@lindamccormick3631]

The daughter is smiling thru out the entire video. She's talking about the murder of her mum yet smiling. I find that VERY odd.

[@chickenspadge]

Her mum was going to leave everything to Chris, but Chris has been convicted of her murder, so that cuts him out completely. So, ask yourself this - in such a case, who would have inherited instead?

[@Liitebulb]

I don't know where everyone is seeing a smile. That's hardly a smile

[@MariaWerner-k4g]

Yes, it really irritated me as well. My father passed away from cancer in 1987, and I still can’t smile when talking about him…

[@sherrymiller2302]

Those are NOT smiles, my friends. They are grimaces, reflecting the absurdity of it all.... You need to live long enough to know the difference.

[@Scorpio_Rose1980]

I don't see a smile. I think her causal behavior is quite irritating, but each person deals with grief differently. I get the feeling the daughter and mother don't have the best connection. If this were my mother I would have been the #1 detective from the first onset of questionable circumstances. 😢 So sad for this poor woman. Rest in peace Patricia. ❤️🌹❤️

[@audreymcleod4076]

How he got one woman is beyond me, they must have been desperate. Patricia sounded like a difficult women , im assuming thats why her daughter and her had a strained relationship.

[@dolinaj1]

Pat and I share the habit of privacy and self-possession, neither of which were contributory to her murder. Don’t blame the murdered for her murder.

[@A2D4]

@@dolinaj1She’s not blaming her mother for being murdered- she’s simply stating why the mother and daughter may have had a strained relationship.

[@montinaladine3264]

Totally agree.

[@Sandi-zh2wx]

She sounds like my mother. I live about 500' from her and see/speak to hear every couple of weeks and that's plenty

[@lizzieh5284]

I thought the same.

[@alisonj9533]

I couldn't imagine torturing poor Pats children, especially as he was helping the daughter build a timeline, it is inconceivable the absolute minf F a person psychologically goes through unravelling all the BS! RIP Pat..

[@pinkvelvet3865]

He is 63 years old, but looks like 80 plus years old. So even with lots of women around it didn't help him to be looking young.

[@MariaWerner-k4g]

I’m 60 and wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. He looks like my grandfather!

[@lizb4156]

Yes but it is an actor.

[@FigaroHey]

Watching these true crime programmes, I remember one interview with a criminal on the Soft White Underbelly channel. The criminal said that decades ago, he got tips for how to avoid being caught for his crimes just by watching TV cop dramas. I'm watching these crime shows now and seriously, so much information to help criminals. Like if you are going to write a fake Christmas card to someone, don't leave the rest of the box of cards in your loft. It would have been very easy to drop them in some random public trash bin before any investigation into Pat's disappearance had started. Don't look up train times on your home computer. Use the library's computers or get access to some public computer for that. Don't bury the body in your own backyard. Don't ask people to lie for you or hold incriminating evidence for you - throw it in a lake or the sea. For someone who went to so much trouble to cover up his crime, this guy didn't really have a lot of brains.

[@hed2410]

One comment: library computers usually require login with a library ID which would have your name and address and possibly phone #. So all activities trace back to an identified user.

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Lucky people are stupid

[@A2D4]

You are right. Those police and crime shows have writers who are a lot smarter than many criminals. Something is very wrong with that picture….

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

@@A2D4 most people don't think out their crimes... It'd backed by an emotion.

[@t.k3025]

@@hed2410depends on the library

[@piratecove3323]

A snake sheds its skin, but it's still a snake.

[@amyteurlife9408]

A snake sheds it's skin to grow larger

[@virginiaspeciale8641]

She wasn’t very close to her daughter and it seems that’s the way she wanted it.

[@Suzyfromtheblock]

Exactly,

[@saikasultana5737]

Someone wrote in comments if my mum told me not to visit I would without a question . Mums are mums there’s no question not to visit me 💯

[@jdee4956]

Well, maybe Pat was a horrible old woman ... we really don't know ...

[@JulieSkinner-f6x]

They did mention that Pat had originally hoped that her daughter would stay local once married. I don’t get the impression that they had a bad relationship. I just think that they were both independent women that both thought each other were okay and respected each others wishes without question.

[@patobrien6364]

I really cannot understand how you could murder another person ? Never could, never will. It's heinous. 😎 I have got to say tho, I find her daughter remarkably cold and detached. May God bless the lady that died. Nobody deserves to be so abused 😎

[@richardbowers3647]

Tawdry societies are like this!!! Just sating.

[@montinaladine3264]

You may not know the full story - and who could from just the little presented here? If you read some of the other comments, which suggest that maybe the daughter didn't have a very good relationship with the mother, maybe she wasn't a good mother - it is extremely common. Not all families are happy and joyful.

[@ausendundeinenacht1]

yr I find her daughter remarkably cold and detached. ..the dughter already didn t REALLY like her mum and THEN..SHE 'D LEARNED SHE GOT ...no iNHERITANCE... THATS YR ANSWER HAPPENS ALL THE TIME I MYSELF HATE MY OLDER SISTER...

[@diannacarey6508]

There are older people out there that have NO ONE. I know this because I am one. I have a brother that belongs to a cult. He is a seventh day adventist. He couldn't care if I am alive or dead. Dosen't matter, ..I ask God to take me every night in my prayers.

[@bevanbuckwheatshea5520]

I am very sorry.

[@diannacarey6508]

No need..he will answer to God.

[@pearlkelly6337]

what is a seventh day adventist

[@JulieSkinner-f6x]

That’s 😞. You don’t want to be here.

[@Venmaylove]

What about online communities? Friendships can happen online, too.

[@waterskaramoyoliviamargrie9411]

That old man is really cruel ..He pretend to be friended but had in mind for eliminating her... He deserves life in prison...nobody wants to be around him ...😬

[@abigailcharlton3504]

A lying covert narcissistic psychopath. My heart completely goes out to the family, so sorry for your pain.

[@zeebest1004]

Checking the train station surveillance video was among the FIRST things they should have done!

[@splinterbyrd]

When our mum was in hospital during her last illness my brother and me were there every single day looking after her, literally spoonfeeding her and fighting for her with the f+++ing doctors (who wouldn't listen; her subsequent death was entirely their fault.) 😢 But the most depressing thing about it was that the staff and other patients all seemed surprised at our devotion. A social worker called us "Marie's two devoted boys." I didn't feel we were doing anything unusual, as I said to them We're just doing what Mum brought us up to do and they all thought it very strange 🤔💔😢😢😢

[@Liitebulb]

You weren't doing anything unusual, they were just flattering you with a compliment. And this woman wasn't sick

[@montinaladine3264]

That's sad. It's always odd when people act so remote in situation like this. The only way to possibly describe this behavior is that all staff concerned were just "at their job" and had been so desensitised to sickness and death, that it was a situation to remark on when people showed intense caring. Public hospital? I don't think this would be normal behaviour though at most Western hospitals. You might have just had a group of crap staff.

[@JulieRushworth]

You where not doing anything unusual, lots of children love and take care of there parents

[@splinterbyrd]

@@montinaladine3264 It wasn't just the staff who said it, it was the other patients in the bay😐

[@Scorpio_Rose1980]

​@@Liitebulb maybe she was ill. Forgetting that she took her van, and other small things that neighbors said. Maybe the onset of Alzheimer's?

[@tammyhollandsworth6783]

I choose not to get in touch with my children everyday. Usually once a week or every two weeks because they have family. Everyone is usually busy with work, home or my grandchildren. So I get that pat kept busy. Maybe it was easier for her not to bother her children. But… to give her things over to someone she hardly knew? That doesn’t make sense to me. Family should look out for each other especially when they get older. To think this woman trusted this man. So sad for everyone involved. This man used her kindness and became selfish. Horrible. 😢

[@moondancer4660]

I had my brother move in on me for 3 YEARS!! Yes it interfered with my dating life quite a bit. Most men assume you are married to whatever man they see you with.

[@ResinAlchemist2024]

Oh my goodness same here. Thankfully that is no longer the situation. Best wishes for an amazing year Moondancer.😊

[@BlueIvysAssistant]

Weird ass comment but ok.

[@gazXspace]

A neighbour has never asked me on a date - that's such a random comment - they might have known he wasn't your husband but just weren't interested - out of curiosity when they found out it wasn't your husband did you suddenly get a load of neighbours asking you on dates ????

[@moondancer4660]

@@gazXspace no I did not suddenly get a load of date offers. I only got a few.

[@moondancer4660]

@@gazXspace it wasn't a random comment when I made it. It was made in response to someone else's comment.

[@esmewatson2544]

Had a wife and she died. Had 3 children and they also died. Yeah righto

[@KrisCheyne]

My thoughts exactly when I heard that comment.

[@gazXspace]

Unless his story was they all died at the same time with some sort of accident tragedy

[@1888.cfc.]

WTF

[@taraann7753]

What a web of deceit..great detective work all around.

[@dankadesign7462]

Still watching but Patricia was acting as somebody who wants to hide something from her kids -how to explain that she never talked about her life with daughter or at least open about doubts that we all have in our life...strange.

[@mariannejohannessen9751]

What in the heck is wrong with the daughter?!!!

[@nr1785]

That Chris had her under coercive control. That’s why she told her daughter not to visit, that’s why she couldn’t even visit her friends without that creep Chris coming along too. He made sure she was never out of his sight and must have been controlling her every move.

[@lesleyblair8835]

You are spot on. I'm surprised no one else is copping onto that

[@lindamontgomery3093]

What the heck was the Real wife and kids doing all this time? Didn't they wonder where and what Dad was doing? He was 1 busy man!!

[@SadieMy]

There was no real wife and kids. He told everyone that they had died, but he had never been married.

[@NoeletteMason-rn3wy]

​@@SadieMyYes he did and 3 grown up sons.

[@sianjones3721]

Her daughter dident seem to care

dident is not a word

[@sscraddock]

You must be more involved in your elderly parents' lives. Her daughter didn't really know this Chris guy. She was glad she didn't have to deal with her. She must not known about her inheritance that was all going to Chris. Ever seen anyone smile so big while saying how they desperately wished they'd found their mom alive? That's one cold woman. I don't believe she's upset about her mother's death. Nope. Sure don't. A motive? They couldn't come up with a motive? He's dating 3 women plus has a wife? That a motive for $, I can assure you.

[@BrittMFH]

She was 71 when this started with Chris, and 76 when killed, so not really a matter of old age. Dementia or naivety, more likely. She didn't seem very close with her daughter. The daughter is speaking of past events, no reason to be distressed in this interview.

[@jenniferreno2940]

Thank God you are not one of the professionals who investigated this case. Your conclusions are based on your own personal assumptions that, with their mean spirited nature, I am surprised you share in a public arena. It is much easier, I promise you, to be nice. Don't place your reputation in a poor light which you turned on yourself.

[@einienj3281]

You have no idea what their relationship was like..

[@PatriciaAShelton-no6cq]

@@BrittMFH ,The Dr she cleaned for and his wife both spoke highly of her,that she was energetic and very mentally stable. They were actually the first to call and see why she had not shown up for work. Even when hearing she had taken a trip, they found it odd she didn't let them know. I believe after the cops talked to them, was when they really got serious about her missing. Him being a Dr. and explaining that she was very punctuional ,a creature of habit, and no mental issues such as dementia.

[@wendyelsey7765]

Awful man. But also why did the daughter always have a smile on her face when talking about her poor mum? I found that so baffling unless it was nerves.

[@Bulletguy07]

It is a kind of nervous reaction, a defence mechanism. I've even seen some people describing similar circumstances with a short laugh at the start of each sentence. That type of person will often be seen at a funeral of a very close family member, not shedding as much as a tear.........only for them later to collapse in pieces in the privacy of their home.

[@ms.munchkin8264]

For some, like me, it's a coping mechanism. I smile to keep from breaking down. It's almost involuntary. My emotions kind of shut off, and I become almost a different person until everything is done. Once the funeral is over and all the legal stuff is handled, THAT is when I fall apart. Not until then. For us, it's a PRIVATE thing. We deal with that in private, nobody gets to see that side of it. It may seem weird to you, but it is just how WE are made.

[@BrittMFH]

Well she is not learning of her mom's death here, it's in the past. She's apparently a pleasant person.

[@jdee4956]

She wasn't close to her mother, and for all we know, her mother wasn't a very nice person to her daughter. She should be smiling - she ended up with the entire estate, instead of the evil Chris. She would not have got it had mum not been murdered.

[@A2D4]

“I hasten to laugh at everything for fear of being obliged to weep”… Dont know who said that but it could apply here.

[@oh-donut]

The daughter only talked to her mother once a month, did not go to see her? Waited three days to call the police after learning that her mother was missing? Unbelievable.

[@montinaladine3264]

No, not unbelievable at all. You don't know the full story. There's much more to this than is presented here. Read other people's comments. You seem to be making a judgement based on just your own experience in life.

[@barb4645]

If you (or anyone really) knew the back story, maybe the lack of involvement in relation to the daughter would make more sense. Actually it might even be we wondered why the daughter kept in touch at all

[@sarahmclean5620]

Full story or not this was her mother

[@sianjones3721]

Phoning just once a month gosh.

[@E-Kat]

Parents can be often very difficult. My mum resented me for having my own family! When she came to visit, she hated that I didn't let her rearrange our furniture, or didn't let her to take over the cooking or general running of our house! She insisted that she's my mother, so she knows better how to look after our children. She argued about everything from the moment she got up, never even said good morning, instead started ranting at us and our children and this carried on till bedtime. She insisted I need to wear makeup as I look ugly!! She followed me around the shops telling me to look in the mirror to see how awful I look. That's a small sample of my mum's behaviour. She was like that to all of us when we were growing up. She kept telling us all that we were stupid and her friends have very intelligent children. We heard it every single day. 🤗

Some of us are weaned

[@whitehead51]

The Daughter said she spoke with her mum about once a month! If my Daughters didn't contact me after 1 week I wouldn't be pleased

[@A2D4]

That kind of shocked me too. It may be that they, for whatever reason, had a falling out, we’re t at all close or didn’t get along since the daughter was young. Who knows. Still, I lost my mom at 15 and I’m a senior citizen now. Hopefully it won’t be long till I can talk to her again. 😇🙏🏻

[@janetpendlebury6808]

My daughter in law cut contact with her mother entirely a few years ago because of the abuse she endured as a child, which continued into adulthood, the mother was a very toxic person and my DIL's therapist recommended cutting contact. It was the best thing she ever did.

[@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139]

Great, and Pat was not you. There are no estranged children around loving, caring parents. It's so amazing to see everyone unanimously judge the daughter when it's literally always exclusively the parents' fault when adult children get estranged. Also, there are different normals for different families.

[@barb4645]

⁠@@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 excellent comment which people blessed with healthy non-toxic relationship with parents won’t truly appreciate

[@WVgrl59]

As soon as you hear the guy dropped her off at the train station, you know it was him.

[@CherryBelle-sh2jx]

Exactly right ✅️

[@maevecrowley8210]

That's what I thought

[@Venmaylove]

Same story as Robert Durst the serial killer. That old chestnut story

[@WVgrl59]

True ​@Venmaylove

[@WVgrl59]

I love your name ​@@CherryBelle-sh2jx

[@91rummy]

You never think an elderly man would do such a thing

[@Liitebulb]

YOU may not, I do

[@biggifront]

So in the UK you get 6 months in prison for unknowingly writing a Christmas card with another name on it as asked by your boyfriend? Even despite she never knew at the time why he asked her for this and planned to kill the other lady? This is crazy!

[@tessmoore3762]

And in the USA you can commit the actual murder and be out without paying bail. That's even crazier.

[@ingridhead6574]

Well, why would you do it in the first place……. She MUST have known it was done for nefarious reasons.

[@janetpendlebury6808]

I think she got the sentence for perverting the course of justice, and being an accessory after the fact.

[@montinaladine3264]

It's a normal sentence - not harsh at all. How could anyone be so stupid as to not want to know or ask what the reason for doing it was? Unless Chris lied about that as well - maybe saying it was a practical joke or prank. How do you know she didn't lie to the police initially?

[@montinaladine3264]

@tessmoore3762 And in the USA, doing that could also get you 5 years! They can be very harsh.

[@2010Tigresa]

It's very unusual Pat's daughter behaviour through the whole situation, the disregard for her mother, she also giggle while being interviewed.

[@splinterbyrd]

In a situation like this people feel all sorts of strange feelings, and frequently express those feelings disguised as something else. The phrase "If you didn't laugh you'd cry" comes to mind. The daughter's demeanour looks to me like that of someone who still can't believe any of this really happened

[@2010Tigresa]

@@splinterbyrd Thank you very much for your explanation. I think you really nailed it, more than that your comment isnt contaminated with negativity as it mine.

[@splinterbyrd]

@@2010Tigresa As I once heard a witness say who was in a similar situation; "I don't believe it. I know it's true, but I don't _believe_ it."

[@Scorpio_Rose1980]

I also agree, but each of us handles death differently.

[@JaneHall-f9j]

I find it strange that pat didn't seem at all close to her family

[@Liitebulb]

Well you shouldn't. Many old people aren't close to their family, often by choice (their choice). They're not children, let them be

[@JulieRushworth]

I wasn't close to my late mother, all families are not close.

[@Dorothy-gp6nl]

Sometimes you have to distance yourself from family in order to have a life. Some family isn't what they appear to be to the outside world.

[@KrisBryant99]

@@Dorothy-gp6nl Nice one Dorothy and definitely relate!!!!

[@taghiabiri3489]

Seems to be a classic psychopath. Charming, kind, and sucks life and money out of you like a vampire.

[@Baskerville22]

I've always found it hard to understand how an adult, particularly a mature adult, can be so mistaken about another person's character and intentions.

I know! I don't understand my fellow Americans , who just elected a rapist convicted criminal to the Presidency.

[@armiesep8710]

i been married 38 years, still together ❤️. But if my husband passes away before me. I have no intention of any entanglements. I have always been independent & self sufficient. I will enjoy my adult children and grandchildren. I treat myself like friend 😌 😊

[@elliebellie7816]

I was widowed at age 30 with two young children and the idea of remarriage never occurred to me even as I aged. I don't know why women don't stay single and enjoy their independence instead.

[@linzisouthernwood482]

The daughter....wow! Just wow! 😡

[@beatrizronquillo8857]

You don't know the truth! Why are you judging her? Besides according to the story, it was the mother with the strange attitude, like she wanted to keep EVERYTHING to herself! BUT only they both know the truth! 🙏🌟

[@LazyDaisyDay88]

I watched this all but still do not really understand their relationship. She was "private and independent" and didn't want others to think she was his "partner". Then she apparently wanted him to leave his wife and be her full time companion? She purchased his house from him and then left it to him in her will?? There was a LOT more going on than we were told!! - Was she actually aware of the other women? Was his wife? Did his family know about Pat and the others? - Why did she seek to buy a house with only her savings (£180k) instead of selling her main property (which she appeared to own outright) and add the proceeds to her total allowing her more control and choice? - Was she actually trying to do everything to keep him? Sigh...

[@carriesmith9943]

This guy had so many women. Goes to show you most woman are desperate!

[@kathy1001]

😂

[@Kathleenkelly70]

Hahaha!! So true!

[@anneflynn9614]

Not most.

[@carleneevans8768]

Why did her daughter wait so long to report her missing.

[@fayeashcroft7066]

Yep 2 weeks What a joke Australia 🇦🇺

[@jeanhind8198]

Well, because Chris, her murderer, chose to do it over Christmas. He was able to claim Pat had gone to stay with friends just after Christmas, by train, and he'd dropped her off at the station. He and Pat had known each other for decades and he was trusted and liked by everyone who knew them, so no-one disbelieved him, at first.

[@jeanhind8198]

Oh, and when he called Pat's daughter to tell her Pat hadn't returned from the "visit" he told her she'd have to report Pat missing, as next of kin (not true at all, he could have done) but to wait for a few days in case she turned up. Because he was an old friend, and plausible, he managed to get the delay in getting the police involved that he wanted.

[@Liitebulb]

​@@fayeashcroft7066they're not Australian?

[@smurfiennes]

⁠@@fayeashcroft7066 why do you end your post with ‘Australia 🇦🇺’?

[@cathybassett6432]

How strange his wife died and so did all 3 of his children - ?

[@Ann-sj4pt]

They didn’t,he just told people they were d ead

[@amcc5887]

​​@@Ann-sj4pt,oh really didn't realise that,thanks for clarifying ?

[@JulieRushworth]

Those commenting about Pats daughter, we know nothing of their relationship, we know very little about Pat, stop being unkind.

[@jamescosgrave626]

Pat was a strange person, no judgement just easy to read between the lines..

[@uglycoconut0007]

What an odd woman. No kids and No Christmas and no family. Odd

[@Ann-sj4pt]

Not really.

[@sianjones3721]

Why were they so distant..seems so cold

[@melissastreeter22]

Well produced summary of a very creepy person and his chilling, creepy lies.

[@laurids2007]

Jerks also get old...😡

[@PeppermintPJ90025]

The daughter was very hands-off. At the end when she said it was hard that she had lost her mum, it didn't ring true because she seemed not to have had much of a relationship with her mother at all.

[@jctyler31]

That was the mother’s choice.

[@janetcraig9308]

Dreadful lack of concern on all behalf.

[@aannddrryyaa]

Something strange if your normally welcoming parent all of a sudden doesn't want you to visit. So sad.

[@rozdoyle8872]

Old greedy gits and telephones are a dangerous mix.

[@BrendaEaster-c8k]

This old guy wove a complicated cloth of deceit and murder and he deserved what punishment he got. End of story.

[@michaelleonard4826]

15 days and no one knows what happened,? Broken trust and deceivers.

[@PatriciaAShelton-no6cq]

Except for the Dr and his wife, whom she worked for. Think they are the reason the cops started to take her missing more seriously.

[@sharonmullins1957]

My initial feeling, was the partner she worked with murdered her.The relationship with the daughter also seemed very odd, and distant.

[@rozdoyle8872]

I can throw some light on that from personal experience, when a woman alone is being minipulated by a Chris , the shame is enormous and the fear of anyone knowing that you fell into Hell causes one to go to extreme lengths to hide the horror & also spare one's children from the Pain . Been there but thankfully freed myself and learned a tough lesson. An Independent Lady like Pat would want to tough it out on her own.

[@jerrymclaughlin5569]

If her body was found in a well, that's not missing "without a trace".

[@geronagot8235]

The daughter smiled the whole time she was interviewed. Imagine you only talk to your daughter once in a month? And don’t want her to visit you? What good does it do have children?

[@mariat3276]

When my Mother and I lived in different states we’d call each other once a week. Long distance rates applied. But when I moved up to be near, we talked every day! Sometimes more.

[@jdee4956]

I thought it was strange too. Obviously they were not close.

[@hed2410]

Many times family members are not close. It's not a Hallmark card world.

[@LReno-di9cm]

I don't believe her

[@janetpendlebury6808]

You dont have children so they will look after you in old age! If they do great, but that is not why you should have them.

[@corinneaggar9755]

Found sitting in the well .. sounds like she was still alive, what a dreadful end to life, betrayal is so painful 😢

[@jeannemarcinek4575]

The bottom, line is that Pat never realized that Chris was an abuser and liar. She trusted him and so did many people. Whatever the relationship with her family was theirs and not to be aired. Pat made her life as she wanted good or bad a decision was hers. Chris was about manipulation, money, and murder. Those two friends learned a valuable lesson and that will make these two be wary of some. Chris manipulated Pat to the point that he got money and business with the house. As far as the adult children their lives will never be the same. Sp, I pray for the family. The Law did an excellent job step by step telling what, how, why, where, and who did this to Pat..

[@Liitebulb]

Not that it's a bad thing but why is a woman her age working as a cleaner? It can be a very tiring job. Pension doesn't cover much?

[@maryannanderson2213]

The moral of this story is that if you have 180 pounds and a house that you are leaving someone, DO NOT TELL THEM. Even if that person is totally trustworthy, the person he tells and the person HE tells might not be. If you are just leaving someone $100.00 and they tell this to an acquaintance of theirs, that acquaintance might be a drug user who starts thinking of the drugs that amount of money could buy and he could come to your house and rob you and end your life so he doesn't leave a witness. The fact that Chris and Bob were able to give such detailed information about what Pat was wearing when she left would have made me suspicious. It is highly unlikely that even ONE person would be able to describe what a person was wearing and it would be almost impossible to find TWO people who could do so.

[@lgracie33]

If my mum told me not to visit….the first thing I’d do is ‘visit’, and even if she told me to my face, I’d still visit. As I know my mum, there’d be something terribly wrong.

[@sheilasmith7779]

Searching the missing person's home and property first involves attics and crawl spaces, sheds and wells. It's a monumental task.

[@sararshleweet90]

Dear Women, trust no one, trust NO one

[@karmayt8956]

So many killers subconsciously want to be caught. How else can you explain the killer making an incriminating list then leaving it for the cops?

[@onceuponacrime2027]

I disagree, they get careless & get caught

[@anrinel4226]

They are narsacist, Arrogant or malignant narsacustand think so highly of themselves, that they are so smart that no one will catch them

[@artcflowers]

@@anrinel4226 correct spelling: narcissistic, narcissist.

[@tessmoore3762]

He got careless and forgot the list. Crazy he would never admit he did it when it was so obvious.

[@jctyler31]

These women who choose men over their own kids….when the daughter said she only spoke to her mom once a month over the phone that was a red flag. This woman was retired with nothing to do why wasn’t she calling her daughter more often?

[@Mounhas]

When I see the photo of Patricia at the end with those beautiful GSD’s the sadness of it all hit me. RIP.