☩ Did the Crusades Hurt or Help Eastern Christians? ☩

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

After the First Crusade: The History of the Early Crusader States: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goeYk5Wfh7-JosU

[@jacklaurentius6130]

The only channel defending the truth about the crusaders on KZbin.

[@0NoOne1nParticular]

this channel is probably one of the best for sure, Raymond Ibrahim on youtube has good ones as well, one about Saladin not being 100% as peaceful & charming as made out to be

[@jacklaurentius6130]

@@ijumpjudyy ☪️ ancer

[@nickmat994]

Thank you for shedding light on the forgotten history of the exiled Armenians after the capture and murder of last Armenian king, Gagik II. France was pivotal in our survival not just during the crusades, but also during the Armenian genocide of 1915. Anatolia and the surrounding areas remains a brutal and beautiful place sought after by many. My prayers to gracious Syrians who still suffer and endure till this day.

[@Poland805]

As a follower of your channel for years and Maronite- I have been waiting for this video for a while. The question of the exact interactions between my ancestors and the Crusaders has long eluded me. Great to see some rmor granular history here. More of this, please. Godspeed!

[@Poland805]

@@ijumpjudyy Reclaimers*

[@Poland805]

@@ijumpjudyy ​ @ijumpjudyy Haha, I do find these comments entertaining- thank you. If you mean to inflame, you're going to have to be a little less absurd. It's a plain historical fact that the Levant was Christian before the 7the century. St. Maron- the Patron of our Church was witnessing on Mt. Lebanon and the surrounding region two full centuries before the arrival of the Muhammadans.

[@hopeundertheblacksun]

Most crusades helped eastern christians. The first crusade helped the Byzantines take back many important cities from the Seljuks. But the fourth crusade is a major stain on the crusaders' legacy. I am aware that the pope did not support the sacking of Constantinople but its just a very tragic incident that should never have happened

[@TheExtremeIRON]

The Pope didn't condone it but he also made no effort to return any of the goods and relics stolen from Constantinople and given to Rome. The stolen relics of St Andrew, the founder of the Church in Constantinople, have never been returned. (Though they did return his skull in the 1960, which curiously was the only relic of his they didn't steal and was brought to Rome by clergy fleeing Patras)

[@jacklaurentius6130]

@@TheExtremeIRONyes we totally want to leave these things alone in Constantinople which was on a downward spiral since manzikert. I’m glad it was saved from the Turks.

[@TheExtremeIRON]

@@jacklaurentius6130 It was already saved from the Turks, albeit by oathbreakers with no common decency. The fourth crusade did nothing but hurt people and steal things, it protected nothing

[@Wisebury]

@@TheExtremeIRON they are being kept safe in a Holy Christian City

[@groundzero5708]

@@TheExtremeIRON lol the so called eastern romans could have either at the end could have been gave it slavs maybe .bcz they couldn't fight against the turks in the end

[@bioliv1]

I just found your channel and your perspectives are a revelation! Look forward to delve deeper into your work in the days to come🙂

[@Jeem196]

Just leaving a comment here now that the live stream ended: the Byzantines had alienated the Syriac Jacobites and Maronites, as well as the Armenians. The Latins, despite being callously slandered as nothing but superstitious barbarians, were actually more embracing of these Christians regardless of their theological disagreements. The Maronites of Jebal Libnan, so impressed by the Latin effort and courage, were convinced to convert entirely to Catholicism. The pragmatic Latin method of befriending Eastern Christians first, and catechizing later, proved to be more effective than the Byzantine method of demanding theological unity at the cost of all else.

[@TyranyFighterPatriot]

It's a similar outcome with the Melkites. We keep our traditions, rituals, Liturgical authority and culture, but unite ourselves theologically to Rome as in the days of old.

[@_EDIT_3]

And we can still see the latin in the maronite Christians of jebal libnan, or Lebanon to this day. I'm from lebanon but I am a melkite Catholic who literally feels more home in the latin Church, because it just feels like the fullness of the truth even if so many bad things are happening to it. Either way Christ gave us a promise, "the gates of hades will not overcome it (The Church)" whatever happens it is the truth†, may GOD bless you brother†

[@theguyver4934]

One question aren't you ever scared that Christianity will die or will be replaced or that islam will take over

[@hgkghkhgkgh8378]

And God has punished Byzantines. I wish Americans stopped worshipping those losers.

[@MtiuliBichi]

You befriended them so much that they didn’t helped you during the crusades

[@BigIron1488]

Best Channel on KZbin!!!

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

It is definitely one of the most factual accurate and fair handed. That alone makes it stand apart. One of the few channels I actually subscribed to.

[@F3cku-r4t]

Agreed ‼️

[@denysrodionov5151]

You're right!

[@kaiser-of-history]

I have always been fascinated by the Turcopoles, but I did not know that they often made up half of the Crusader Calvery.

[@leonardoferreira1456]

Man, I'm really happy when I see that excellent videos like this have been translated into Portuguese. Hugs from Brazil, and keep up your videos with Portuguese dubbing.

[@denysrodionov5151]

The video is top notch as always. Thank you very much for your work!

[@DaFroBroforeal]

Fascinating to see how the blended crusader states operated. 😯

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

I thank you so much for your channel! It's crazy how so many stereotypes are taught when one is young and in school. I've basically been relearning and contextualizing everything I've learned so briefly and superficially there. To built up those layers of knowledge hehe 😉😁

[@TheExtremeIRON]

Just keep in mind that the anti-orthodox sentiments in this video make use of stereotypes as egregious as what you've heard in school

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

@TheExtremeIRON such as? Gotta keep it in mind, thank you so much 😉

[@groundzero5708]

@@TheExtremeIRON what anti orthodox ,can you put time stamps

[@jessiemeisenheimer8675]

​@@TheExtremeIRONNo response yet?

[@ZenMasterPhil]

Excellent work 👏

[@JRBDWD]

Thanks for the video

[@aramisone7198]

The sacking of Konstantinopel did not help.

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

It wasn't relevant to their relationship with most Eastern Christians, since most Eastern Christians viewed Byzantium as an enemy.

[@Pepe-pq3om]

​​​@@RealCrusadesHistoryIn retrospect it was really relevant, as after the sacking the empire could never fully recover, and one could argue that if the eastern romans had not fallen, that foes such as the Ottomans or the mongols would had never spread so far into christan land

[@Gigadoomer13]

Yes living under the turks was so much better for them wasn't it?

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

@@Pepe-pq3om The only reason the Byzantine Empire didn't fall was because of the First Crusade, so the Crusades bought the Byzantines extra time. After the death of Basil II in 1025, the Byzantines proved totally incapable of halting the progress of the Muslim powers, so they were irrelevant to that question. If anything, the inability of the crusaders to fully subdue and incorporate Byzantium into the Latin world was the real problem in terms of halting the Turkish advance. Perhaps a truly Latin Empire could've pushed the Turks back, since it would've cooperated with the Crusader States. Clearly the Byzantines couldn't do it.

[@MtiuliBichi]

@@Gigadoomer13 No fourth crusade = No living under the Turks

[@HistoriaenCeluloide]

I hope you make a video about the Latin Empire🧐

[@-RONNIE]

Thank you as always for the video and information

[@royaltyfree9607]

It would’ve helped more if the Byzantines weren’t so stubborn and arrogant. Just goes to show that they really were Roman to the core. The same attitudes that brought down the Western Empire are the same ones that toppled the Eastern Empire

[@fetusdeletus5117]

Yeah that’s bullshit mate. The fourth crusade was a disaster which Christianity will never recover from. The gates of Europe are held open by the Turks who still control Constantinople. The Turks would never have conquered Constantinople had it not been for the venetians and their crusader lackeys. This may ironically be the death knell for the west, and it all goes back to the greed that corrupted the crusader movement.

[@CzechsTeaNine]

Crusader haters wouldn't like these masterpiece of a video❤

[@F3cku-r4t]

I truly appreciate this knowledge🙏

[@MariaCKouto]

Thanks for the video. Moved me to my ancestors. Շնորհակալություն:

[@afleitan77]

Great work thanks.

[@patrickparsons2378]

The expeditions to liberate and then aid the Holy Land prevented the East Roman Empire from collapsing earlier. The main problem was the arrogance of the Cibstantinopolitan elites 'court and church) towards those they called Latins and Franks. They recognized their military prowess but viewed them as barbarians. The rather duplicitous conduct of the East Romans during the Crusades, especially their alliance with Saladin, made the Latins view them with increasing mistrust. The major consequence of the Crusades was the entanglement of the Latin West in the court politics in Constaninople, and the eastern Emperors' heavy dependence on western military support. The events of 1203-4 were due entirely to this dangerous symbiotic relationship and to dysfunctional nature of the Imperial family in Constaninople.

[@LuizfTri99]

Thank you for making this video available with translation, I'm Brazilian 🇧🇷 and I really enjoy following your content, watching it in my language makes it even more fun

[@jeddkeech259]

history is so fascinating

[@nfmoddingdesigners]

Muchas gracias por el vídeo

[@smacksmack5976]

Mixed results

[@michaelman957]

Some of column A. Some of column B.

[@laststand6420]

That's interesting. I had never really thought of the high density of Eastern Christians already in the Middle east when the Crusaders arrived.

[@CVbNmkoduivs]

مصر لم تصبح اكثرية مسلمه إلا بعد الحروب الصليبيه والشام كذالك اصحبت الاقليات في الشرق الأوسط منبوذه بعكس قبل الصليبين بكل تاكيد

[@MuddieRain]

Hurt

[@Noamchomsky1917]

No

[@groundzero5708]

Great🎉

[@stephenh9483]

love them music so much

[@rodelacusar99]

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[@asadalmahrezi9695]

I did a DNA test which showed Cilician Armenian Ancestry and traced my family name to understand the history behind it. As per the Arab references, the Mamluks destroyed the last Crusaders Kingdom of Cilicia and took its people to Syria as war prisoners. The Maronites were punished for their collaboration with the Crusaders and many got deported to Cyprus. Those who remained were deported to Bierut. So the Crusaders actually caused suffering to our people of which some have lost their land, culture and some lost their full identity.

[@TheExtremeIRON]

Ya papists will bend over backwards to pretend like the crusaders never did anything wrong or worsened peoples lives in any way

[@groundzero5708]

if the crusaders didnt came .samething gonna happen anyway

[@rickyyacine4818]

1 thing is clear the 4th crusade damaged the crusaders image for good

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

Not at all.

[@TheExtremeIRON]

​@@RealCrusadesHistorysomeone's in denial

[@johnnotrealname8168]

​@@RealCrusadesHistoryReally?

[@tobiasgriffin]

Can you do one on nubia christian

[@JacobWalsh-d1e]

Watching this later😁

[@CARL_093]

The Crusades significantly strained relations between the Latin and Eastern Orthodox churches, leading to increased hostility and mistrust. The Crusades, a series of religious wars between the 11th and 15th centuries, had a profound impact on the relationship between the Latin (Western) and Eastern Orthodox churches.

[@moonman9227]

chatGPT generated comment

[@groundzero5708]

Byzantophiles were that great when it comes to battles

[@shroudturin]

it's really weird, why do I hear AI in foreign language??

[@koksalceylan9032]

If not whit the help of Turkopoles the Armenian,Byzine Greek, Romans Christians wood never have survived to this day!.

[@nikicastanić]

Some were baptism before church schism!

[@luisfernandoramirezhermosa4909]

como no tener favoritismo hacia los Bizantinos que simplemente hacian todo mejor, los occidentales europeos se beneficiaron siempre de su desgracia o de sus momentos de apogeo en los que frenaba al Islam y lo peleaba de igual a igual a lo largo de siglos mucho antes de que aparezcan los cruzados; mientras Europa estaba sumergida en la antiguedad e ignorancia y, el Imperio Bizantino y las entidades islamicas de medio oriente estaban decadas adelantadas con sus instituciones, ciencia, preservacion de textos antiguos, ingenieria naval y belica, culturalmente y tecnologicamente muy superiores.

[@luisfernandoramirezhermosa4909]

ni siquiera hace falta hablar de la Cuarta Cruzada, ese es el mayor simbolo de cobardia y traicion del Cristianismo Occidental Europeo historicamente hipocrita

[@groundzero5708]

they really were superior ,that how small army of western knights started forming crusader states in levant lmao.

[@groundzero5708]

the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic entities of the Middle East were decades ahead,for sure but it will not be case in the future buddy

[@rafaelguimaraes64]

absolutely false, it was the West that was the apogee in the Middle Ages of scholastic development and the emergence of universities and the scientific method.

[@stephanusghibellino]

Puros lugares comunes ya refutados por autores como Rodney Stark.

[@calvanoni5443]

I bet if the dna is tested tiday they would find that mix still.

[@GheorgheVasile-p1q]

Both Hurt and Help 🤔🤔

[@rogersmith8386]

Depends on which Crusade is under consideration!

[@CVbNmkoduivs]

1- سقطت الموصل سنة 1262 بيد المغول بسبب نصارى الموصل ‏ 2- اللي كان يدل الحمله الصليبيه السابعه 1250م نصراني قبطي ‏ 3- فرح نصارى دمشق بسقوط دمشق بيد المغول سنة 1260م و القائد المغولي النصراني كتبغا وحيثوم الأرمني وبوهيميند الحاكم الصليبي لأنطاكيا وطرابلس 4- نصارى لبنان الموارنه كان يقطعون طرق التجارة والحج من دمشق إلى مكة وكانوا متحالفين مع الصليبين ويبيعون ابناء ونساء المسلمين لقبرص وأرمينيا ‏فالظاهر بيبرس عمل فيهم مجازر رهيب في عهده في لبنان وكان بسبب هاذي العوامل بيبرس والمماليك وعوام المسلمين شديدين الحقد على النصارى عامة أدت الحروب الصليبيه بلا شك إلى تغيير التركيبة السكانية في كلاً من مصر والشام لصالح المسلمين بعد ان كانت اقليه مسلمه تحكم اكثرية مسيحية منذ القرن السابع

[@groundzero5708]

lol if you read why latins started crusading that will give different perspective

[@groundzero5708]

muslims have already started doing those things to christians even before crusaders .

[@groundzero5708]

specailly spain and near france borders ,where hordes come and loot and burn christian villages

[@johnrooney507]

After hundreds of years of Islamic conquest extending even into the heart of Europe something had to be done.