REALISTIC 10.2.5 SOLO PVP TIER LIST for MOST PLAYERS - DRAGONFLIGHT SEASON 3

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

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[@Elbruhman6456]

To save yalls time S tier- Beast Master Hunter, Havoc DH A tier- Devastation Evoker, Demonology Warlock, Destro Warlock, UH dk, arms warrior, ww monk, disc priest, holy paladin, resto druid B tier- Bal druid, aff warlock, ele shaman, marks hunter, ret paladin, survival hunter, sub rouge, assassination rouge, fury warrior, resto shaman, mist monk, holy priest C tier- Frost mage, Arcane mage, Frost DK, enh shaman, Outlaw rouge, ww+mistweaver hybrid, preservation evoker D tier- Fire mage, Shadow priest, Feral Druid F tier- Augmentation evoker

[@Rafiusker]

Please do this every season 👏

[@harrisonbannerman]

This is an amazing idea. You should absolutely do this more often.

[@myracle001]

MORE OF THESE PLEASE! Absolutely love the content for the average player. :)

[@Grimlocked]

Awesome Tier List Skillcapped! I really appreciate you featuring one of my clips! You guys do amazing work for the WoW PvP Community. :)

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Bought

[@Grimlocked]

@@TheSometimeAfter ?? What do you mean? lol

[@peterglen8396]

I just found your channel. I'm a minute into your video. I absolutely love how your use of data to draw reasonae conclusions that will help a lot of peeps. I can't wait to finish the video and check out others!

[@metrock525]

love skill capped, opened my eyes to so many tactics and details when i started pvp and had a skill capped account. I remember when i first learned from skill capped that my psyfiend (in MoP) could eat hunter traps 🤯and much more. keep it up, love your youtube videos!!!!👏👏👏👍

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Psyfiend eats Hunter traps? Wtf I had no idea

[@metrock525]

yes, well the old psyfiend did, not sure you can do it now or it is atleast alot harder as you can not place it on top of you. but ye, stuff like that man, probably alot im missing since i have not been on skillcapped for a long time now. but would recommend;)@@spindoggytheexplorer2915

[@la7era1u54]

Preservation is the most frustrating spec to play at low MMR in solo-shuffle. I use a macro that tells my team to not run away from me when they are getting trained or low HP because of my short range, but it does no good at all. As soon as they get trained they panic and run as far away as possible leading to a loss every time this happens

[@natmiguel47]

I stopped playing Pres because of this, that and I hovered (pun intended) around 1100 -1200 SS rating after 101 rounds. I switched to Dev and I'm 1611 after 24 rounds in SS....at this point I don't mind the long cue time.

[@manthe3711]

It's not very obvious how to heal with it either. The fact that using Echo on Target 1 and Verdant Embrace on Target 2 is the most efficient way to heal isn't exactly obvious, took me a while to figure it out. Also the throughput really feels shit with honor gear, I was spamming GCDs and HP bars just wouldn't go up. It's much better now with full conquest and enchants, but starting the spec basically naked really doesn't help.

[@hediwang591]

the most ridiculous thing is some people (like a frost mage and a MM hunter) will stay 80 yard away from each other, each staying behind a pillar and both dying... at that point i really just want to give up and be like just lose.. you guys don't deserve to win lol

[@t.ydunston2251]

Prez and rshaman is legit the hardest two healers because of people running.

[@winring5593]

Rsham is worse, but pres is right there too

[@drewwil891]

For someone 1700-1850 stuck this is perfect thank you!

[@ukotaa]

Finally somebody had eyes to see how squishy feral is

[@Calaxt01]

What? Who has been denying feral's squishiness?

[@issolol]

@@Calaxt01 many Keyboard warriors do and say its a "skill issue"

[@Dreamlink91]

I am happy that in season 4 finaly honor gear is good and i dont have to do m+ or raids to have fun... i get my full gear in a day or two and just que and enjoy pvp in bgs and eventualy i get conquest piece here and there

[@exa7435]

I signed up to your site, you talk about very up-to-date guides, it's a shame that there are certain videos that even show spells from the last expansion... how sad, it's also expensive

[@wizdabloo]

I heard they were uploading updated videos for all the classes in 10.2... Well glad Im not still paying for it just to see that they havent added much, I was paying month after month waiting for the new videos, and just stopped because it was so much. And they only guarantee to give you your money back if you dont reach rating if you buy the annual sub...

[@huachzua69]

awesome work! finally a tier list that is actually useful. thank you

[@davidjackson5390]

Skill capped is speaking straight facts with this one!

[@WayneTwitch]

ok bot

[@davidjackson5390]

@@WayneTwitch beep boo beep

[@Hertacles]

Solo shuffle is also RNG based at its finest. You can get a lobby where you win 6 rounds by domination just because of how strong your spec is against it and then land in a lobby where no matter where you look something can lock you down. It just is what it is.

[@leonardfruhauf9258]

Awesome Video concept! As a casual pvp player I really enjoy these type of tier lists 😄

[@Americanheld]

This is a great video! Thank you for making it for us average joes. I always thought Disc isn't good for the average player, but you have come to the opposite conclusion due to the cds. Which makes sense! I'll definitely give it a shot!

[@gtak1439]

With solo rated bgs possible going to be a thing any plans on making it part of vid series?

[@Kanoog]

I'd say this video defiantly helps way more people compared to Gladiator's making a tier list. Having so many alts now than ever before this is beyond helpful to understand the current meta.

[@Try_Hard_Dad]

I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING MORE DATA BASED CONTENT!!!! Let’s GOOOOO

[@natmiguel47]

More vids like this please!

[@ML-yk5wc]

wow i was just about to make a new 70, thanks so much!

[@Dante-mw2ez]

I play a lightning bolt ele shaman in solo and am bouncing between 1950-2050 and it is rough. Get trained all game and no one wants to peel for you then they get mad when you run around a pillar to avoid melee mongos.

[@zerte1995]

AWESOME ! Finaly tier list for casuals

[@pressm4n]

I really appreciate this guide! Always felt like the tier lists were not right. This makes sense why.

[@lostheboss7938]

This could also be a "what class is the easiest to play" tier list relative to current power

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

You're right. In some ways it is.

[@qrc2024]

Hey. I'm a Havoc DH Player sitting around 1650 rating rn. While going through lower ratings, I will say DH is an amazing spec. I do suggest getting enchants tho bcuz enchants paired with full conquest gear make u really great at lower ratings and it's straight amazing.

[@marcusdddd4285]

Best tier list ever guys keep it up

[@liorzisman785]

Can you do this for 2s and 3s as well? The "realistic" concept is terrific

[@EOD_90]

I’m extremely casual, come back every year or so, play about a month and get multiple classes to rival or duelist. Just resubbed and even wearing my duelist set from 10.0.7 as an affliction lock can hold my own vs multiple melee running around in World PvP with insane amounts of HP. Just understand how your class works and you’ll be fine.

[@PeterPan-cy7oy]

finally thats T list makes really sense. thx man

[@pedjolinica]

what is site for stats?

[@Ahlizz]

Nice video, will you be releasing a easiest glad comp for each class now that the new patch is out?

[@AntFragale]

@skillcapped hey guys, just curious why you and so many people mention that being “caught out” in human/caster form on a feral druid is bad when they’re no more tanky or squishy in that form than cat form. Cat gives no innate defensives that I can recall. Stunning them “out of form” means nothing right? Can you clarify? I mean of course not being in bear is different but that’s not really the discussion. They also have multiple off global buttons that instantly take them into cat form in a pseudo power shift style.

[@MrPalikij]

What website are they using to find the stats?

[@reedwallbom7662]

This was great, please do this every season!

[@AB-gx1vo]

Finally a video for us common folk!

[@hermit44]

Thanks for this awesome vid! ❤

[@Zarko1k]

what website is he using to check those death rates and winrates for each class?

[@icloas]

1900 fistweaver here, i personally think that midrank fistweaver is very meta dependant wether it will be good or bad with less skill. For instance, melee heavy lobbies, lobbies with BM or Demo locks are a lot easier due to multiple targets to hit increases your healing output. Also worth noting that even though fistweaver is more easily offtarget cced, it is susceptible to less CC due its nature to stand near cleave. Blinds etc are not a thing in those lobbies. I would put the fistweaver for this season a bit higher tier :)

[@Frostotos]

and pala prot ? 🥺

[@Khaleesi007]

My 1.6k DH does double the damage of my (not seasoned, but not a tourist either) 1.3k feral who's tanking warrs, palas and dks in bear form, yet dies while her healer is in line of sight and spot healing her. It is so, so sad... I am usualy able to pull off 4/6 win rounds but knowing the amount of labour behind it, staying alive, throwing the right offrnsive and defensive clones, monitoring CDs otherwise no dmg, landing kills because of my clones while the boomie is standing there wondering why I can't tank two plate on my butt. It's exhausting and the damage doesn't really compensate all that...

[@lionards]

Great video, one question what does it mean trained in wow pvp?

[@officialtog]

Trained = focused

[@lunaestarcaller1423]

Feral is unenjoyable rn. Being forced to cast cyclone to do some damage, instead of using only our catform abilities like how it should be. We are squishy af, our heals worth nothing, out only good def has 3 mins cd while most of the burst cd-s are 2 mins. Feral was always among the hardest specs, but now it's just ridiculous. Most of the time it was bot tier on pve, and now in pvp too. The whole spec is just a meme now :(

[@xSoniikk]

See for me that’s why I enjoy feral so much; it’s hard… very hard at times. Yeah not in it’s best rn but if you learn the class and can play it well you absolutely dominate. It takes a while and you need a lot of key binds but it’s better than being a 3 button Hunter for me. More rewarding.

[@lunaestarcaller1423]

@@xSoniikk Yes, and I didn't say make it 1 button. I main feral for 14 years now, and I played though some expansions. I'm used to watching procs, snapshots, and I know hard work pays out. I just dont feel rewarding in this expansion, because even if you are doing everything right, you are still nowhere near the top performing specs. I just don't like this new playstyle, that being forced on us. I didn't like the owlweaving on m+ back in shadowlands, and I'm happy it's gone. I just wanna be a kitty and biting, clawing enemies, and not dying in 2 globals.

[@apocryphe9878]

Came to Df from 3.3.5 pvp servers(warmane, uwow, circle, sirus) so sad to see my shp beeing so low. Shatter is my fav setup, is it playable?

[@marsh3674]

So let me get this straight, we establish early on that classes relying more on utility are not as great in lower ranked lobbies. So how is Arms an A tier spec when it relies almost entirely on utility, timing, and burst windows. In the video you guys mentioned how theres nothing stand out about it. Theres no immunities, only a three minute cd thats weak against magic. Not to mention it seems to be suffering a little more as of recent with other melee specs receiving buffs. Based on the fact I haven't seen an arms warrior in shuffle in god knows how long I would say its definitely not A tier at lower ratings. Even cross referencing the data can have misleading outcomes.

[@ziggs123]

Blizzard could just watch skillcapped videos to figure out balance, but even that is to much effort for pvp

[@Unusci0ne]

what website are they using for the stats they present?

[@marsh3674]

who knows?

[@marsh3674]

I commented about how even cross referencing these stastistics can be very misleading. Its almost impossible to create a tier list. In fact relying on statistics like death rate and win rate in competitive games is not a good idea. People tend to gravitate towards easier or harder specs. People might think a spec is meta because of the pro meta and skew the data by dying non-stop. Some specs might be played so little that the data is completely inaccurate. Even highly played specs can have a 1-2 percent margin of error. Take a look at the number of games referenced for some specs. Fire mage at 300 games, destro lock at 1455 games. The margin of error will be like five times greater for the mages. In a game like wow theres too many factors to consider for a statistical breakdown like this to make sense. In pve things are a lot more clear cut.

[@mozaiczny7915]

Where cen i get this pepe class avatars? I need them!!!!

[@robusmc1713]

Thank you ,great knowledge ❤

[@TedstaTV]

when we say lower mmr, what rating are we talking here?

[@iaxdy9822]

Between Combatant and Rival. The video says this over and over again

[@deyanangelov58]

I have druid, monk and shaman sometimes with monk i die in 1 kidney shot 4 sec and i cannot do anything. Should i go for druid? You made guide for splo shuffle, what about battlefround tier list?

[@00x0xx]

I play a monk as well, their burst and sustain is great, but they are very squishy without their big defensives. Windwalker is fun to play in battlegrounds, but to be successful, you have to also enjoying off-healing instead of DPS'ing when you're on your cooldowns.

[@deyanangelov58]

Sometimes it happenes that I am forced to go to bear form just to survive and then I cant do damage, pressure falls off and we lose.@@00x0xx

[@deyanangelov58]

What about battlegrounds tier list?

[@Ehelphie]

could anyone please advise me on a healing class that is the most “passive” as possible? to just stand behind the column and heal and that would be enough to just take the gladiator and that’s it. without any assists in the form of a cyclone for a druid, or a target damage assist like a dс, but you just stand there and heal your teammates. I know it sounds stupid, maybe, but I don’t want to take some kind of top, I just wanted to take a gladiator and play for my own pleasure as a healer class. p.s. as far as possible of course

[@BigLeagueFishing]

Season 3 Comp tier list please SC

[@derjohanson93]

Now Blizz has to get it too. Make the game for the majority, not for the 5 % try hards

[@danielsama_gaming]

Join the Devastation gang guys! 🔥🐲

[@jcvm8915]

Nice vid guys

[@MrZeuz666]

Finally! Still legitimately overvaluing casters, but finally a more real tier list. Being clear here - because most lower rated lobbies are 3-4 melee, the melee will end up loosing to melee a lot which skews their winrate downward. Most of the stuff is in there otherwise!

[@Suiqq]

Survival will have you at 100% win rate till like 2k lol, it's seriously so OP vs dumb people, but ones who save the right CD's and trinket are so so much harder to deal with

[@dobro5958]

Oh noez!!! But 1100 rated ppl on forums say that WW is immortal and has too much defensives!!! Why statistics indicate that they are one of the worst surviving melees in the gaem? Probably all WWs are just bad?

[@the_wild_hunt1301]

i think you all are out to lunch for example i do about twice the damage as MM over BM hunters.... wouldn't waste a cent on your advice. this place is full of awesome players of your chosen class and spec look them up.

[@vkottler]

The solo shuffle game mode is still completely unplayable for "most players" (people with jobs / without 8+ hours a day to spend on WoW). Healing is a good option to get gameplay but an extremely inefficient option to climb for a rating goal because it takes much longer / many more lobbies to climb than on DPS (this is a mathematical truth, not a personal anecdote). We should honestly just throw this game in the trash and implement a new game that does this amazing competitive format justice. That's what the StarCraft community has done with new RTS games and sadly we're going to need to do it as well if we want to save this competitive format that we love.

[@AmirMoreno99]

Why does everyone discriminate against tanks in pvp? They exist for a reason, w do you think? Include them in your list

[@HarryPotter-gw6qk]

tanks get nerfed in arena + dont do gooe dps

[@draincatYT]

Aff locks 3rd highest burst DPS and #1 for steady DPS(for ranged)... wot 😮 the maff ain't maffin

[@Dimbokeh]

Finally ! THANK U !

[@tonglu2391]

Experts vs normal players

[@ulltramagnus85]

I mean you have to target the casters if you let them cast they will win the game.

[@stean6957]

Oh my god my eyes.. wtf is that mm hunter ui :D

[@adamjo5287]

So who to play bruh?!

[@TheJahool]

as a healer at 1650, I think playing with these guys is worse than herding cats.

[@epicstudios142536]

making tier lists for sub 2k shuffle lobbies doesn't really make sense because almost everything is S tier in an environment where people don't know how to play the game.

[@isaac4240]

weird ass take lmao

[@LadyTygryComics]

Kind of surprised it has taken you guys this long to make the connection that the average player is not R1. Hearing their perspectives comes across as idealized and sometimes, out of touch. Their experiences are built around playing with others who have much better awareness than those of us who aren't good enough to carry two backpedaling clickers. As an example, I had to claw my way to Gladiator and I barely made it. I still have no doubt a R1 would wipe the floor with me even if the matchup favors me.

[@maksminthegame7001]

нифига не понятно, но очень интересно)

[@XxXDeadlykingdxXxX]

Wow for once the guy isn't yelling and acting hyped. Just normal speaking and explaining. Great

[@Kronosbattlemaps]

god pls buff ferals ffs blizzard

[@Levelity]

Whatever bots are easiest to code.

[@ItsBarnabyJones]

Your wrong about boomy, if played right they can survive better than most ranged and can kill very quickly I don’t agree that boomy is B tier. Most people suck at boomy is why the numbers show them dying a lot. I main boomy and I can out live most ppl unless a war or rogue is stuck on me all match.

[@knucklesbtw8605]

We know it's S tier in the right hands. This video is for lesser skilled players where the numbers apparently show that it is harder to survive and perform if you're not good

[@wolfcrendraven7249]

You dont seem to understand the point of this video. Its not about how good a class is in the hands of a r1 player, its how good its at someone at 1700 rating.

[@ziggs123]

​@@wolfcrendraven7249and even r1 players will say boomy is squishy af

[@ItsBarnabyJones]

yea, and at 1700 you can still tank melee and survive, they are saying you can't. Was my point.@@wolfcrendraven7249

[@ItsBarnabyJones]

gotcha, yea makes sense, thanks.@@knucklesbtw8605

[@christmasham4312]

hunters got the easy life in pvp/pve

[@WayneTwitch]

hunters are trash now lol

[@trentongardner2106]

Lol you've never played mm in arena and been zugzuged the whole time and can't do anything to stop it lmao.

[@rahundsigma]

​@@trentongardner2106throw a trap down. Kiting is so ez on mm

[@trentongardner2106]

@rahundsigma frost trap gets broken by dam. So your teammates always break it. So does scatter shot. Tar can slow but they just dispell it. Whelp thats it I'm now a sitting duck. Especially against war with charge and leap. Dk just grips and slows me. MM is the least mobile hunter, has the least defs, and isn't even the most dam for a hunter. They need to buff either the dam more or the defs. Just that simple

[@ziggs123]

​@@trentongardner2106now imagine this while having to cast everything on one school without mobility and tresh damage. Welcome to sp madness

[@WalkingUpsideDown]

Holy priest at B tier is very surprising

[@drinkrealale]

Ranked PvP is awfull. It's unrealistic to even get the tmog armor set so I gave up playing it.

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Utter bs

[@aojdaoidjaoifj681]

dark pact is the most idiot skill ever

[@BranBronzebeard701]

RDruid trees exist, so no

[@Ozmaniac2k]

Best T list so far. People crying about rogues can see the truth now.

[@WayneTwitch]

Imo i can 1v1 anyone in pvp as a ret and have about a 9/10 win rate. Its hard dealing with healers tho is my issue but no shot ret is bad..

[@Falxel]

in the second season, the ret was the best 1v1, but now it's garbage that can't heal, all mana is running out

[@WayneTwitch]

@@Falxel I been playing ret as of now. I just got back last week to check things out. I been melting people 1v1 i have notice they did fuck its heals up but its still not super bad. So you're saying it was even better ? What i was talking about was healers in general since ret is mostly a burst class if i cant down a healer with my bursts i tend to have a very hard time killing. Arena melee vs melee or melee vs range i tend not to have many issue but when they have a healer in them things tend to be way harder for me. People said healers are hard to play but idk i feel as if they are more broken then ever just imo anyway.

[@Falxel]

@@WayneTwitch They replaced our healing and gave us LOH in pvp instead. In season 2 with 600k hp I was getting 70-120k healing (wod and flash), also the set bonus was much better, now with 1kk hp I get the same 70-120k healing. In 2s it's almost impossible to play 2dd, blizzard from ret made a ranged warrior that still heals less than the warrior itself

[@WayneTwitch]

@@Falxel Ah i only been playing shuffle atm played a few random 2v2 and in them had zero healers so had not much of a issue there. I just played a random bg with a mage healing for 10 mill... idk what this game became.

[@Falxel]

@@WayneTwitch hybrid classes heal less than damager classes - this is the present. That's why I quit this game.