REALITY CHECK! - Simucube Active vs. Passive Throttle

[@greg_takacs]

Him: "Under my particular financial circumstances" Me: "This guys is loaded"

[@JJCAMulders]

No this guy's business is to review gear like this and make content with it. It makes the investment a business investment that puts the expense in a different perspective. For my daily work I need a laptop, as this is a business expense for me I don't mind spending 5K for a high specced MacBook Pro. If it would be a private purchase I would not spend that amount of money on it.

[@sheep7255]

There's an api in the works that should allow for the active pedals to dynamically change the amount of pressure needed, and the throw based on the car you're driving, for all three pedals.

[@aswindeva5690]

Now imagine a sim that also considers part wear and heating etc to alter the feedback 🤤. Imagine NFS underground 2 or most wanted customisation, but each part changes the behaviour of the car and feedback. Future sure is exciting for us sim racers 😁.

[@boostedmedia]

Yep. I talked about that in my review. It’s a big part of the reason why I chose to buy the two extra pedals. I want to be able to stay at the forefront of this stuff as it develops. :)

[@Sideways_Singh]

Love the Emira in the back, one of the last standing great drivers car, only a few left. Like Miata, 911 GT3 & GT4, Emira & thats pretty much it

[@Griffin283]

😂😂😂

[@F7INN]

+ GR Yaris and GR86

[@F80mthree]

@@F7INNboth of those engines aren’t fit for track duty.

[@shameelmohammed3632]

Pedal adjustment would be for those that mount upside-down

[@brucetannock7617]

Agree 100%, the benefit is in the brake pedal.

[@YayDanMan]

Those noise samples... oh dear simucube

[@OutLanderUSN]

They didn't use any sort of sound dampening. That's a big oof.

[@kpudgar]

It looks like to me that you could use some sort of soft dampening behind the last part of the pedal as it seems that metal ring is hitting and making the loud noise, but true that Simucube could of addressed it.

[@mercenarysaw]

Do they not watch boosted media or what?

[@scriptedPR]

This video has completely turned me off from the passive pedal bc of the clicking noise

[@fullsendsimracing]

The shot with the Lotus in the background is epic mate! Proper stuff

[@mike605]

I wish we had a Micro center here in Seattle but all I can do is look at it online. I do have the the first version of the CSL Elite and it works fine for sim racing. I have never had a chance to try other people's products and see and feel the difference.

[@TOGSolid]

It's kinda wild we haven't gotten one considering we're such a techy city. Doesn't even need to be in Seattle proper, just accessible from there. I'm sure we'd all be fine making pilgrimages to the Holy Land.

[@jimmie3times]

Microcenter is a consecutive company who refuses to go to places that will tax them out of business. Thank your democratic politicians

[@Moisttt]

I would love to see you review the simmagic p2000 with the haptic motors. Seems like a great middle of the road option

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

p2000 dont have haptic motor.

[@nathanstretch]

@@ronaldwoofer5024 it's available as an add-on

[@Z06Boss23]

@@ronaldwoofer5024 you can add them now

[@rajeshkannan_s]

@@ronaldwoofer5024I think they recently released control box to support motor on p2000

[@rcdb4160]

For noise put a little rubber disc and after set the dead zone higher

[@SanderVandeWiel]

I recently saw your full tour and there was an M2 there. Well... That's not an M2 anymore, is it :D Congrats on the Emira! nice color!

[@bobby-lucmailloux500]

Love that your socks are used from racing so hard 😅

[@AndrewDBrown2020]

A transducer add-on (for traction) would be lovely.

[@JohnDoe-og2tw]

Sim3d sells them.

[@alecmillea4539]

I thought the same but there’s no way simucube would do that considering it would literally make the active pedal almost completely pointless.

[@braun987]

I have the HE Sprints. Thinking about getting the Simucube active brake. Thoughts on just replacing my HE brake pedal? I’m not sure how the mounting would work as I see the Simucube brake is quite large.

[@mrb552]

How does the Sprints clutch and gas pedal connect to the PC without first being connected to the Sprints brake? Isn't that cabling setup somewhat proprietary?

[@Verbal91]

​@@mrb552Simucube sells connectors to connect the HE throttle and clutch to the active pedal

[@Z06Boss23]

It would potentially reduce a little bit of the pedal travel, but a small rubber washer on that shaft at the plunger could significantly reduce that bang noise when you let off. a quick re calibrate and done. even a simagic elastomer or two. they about the right size by eye and likely very durable.

[@v0ldy54]

Maybe I'm missing something, but whats the benefit of using a load cell to measure the accelerator position when in reality what matters is not the pressure but only the angle? Real cars afaik use potentiometers or Hall effect sensors so I dont understand why having anything different on the sim, a load cell just feels like a more expensive choice with no benefits (and maybe even drawbacks?).

[@boostedmedia]

There’s no advantage to my knowledge. The way this works is essentially measuring the position of the pedal.

[@nathanstretch]

Given Simucube has adapters available for the Heusinkveld Sprint pedals to not only mount, but even communicate through their software, what do you think about this throttle vs the Sprint? Basically the two options there for a 3-pedal setup would be to get the 2-pedal Simucube and the Sprint add-on clutch pedal, or to get the full Sprint set along with the single ActivePedal. You'd be wasting the Sprint brake in that case, but given the cost of the Simucube throttle, it's not all that much more expensive.

[@pineapplegrips1989]

Great video as always Will. I was one of the first to try the active pedal at Nuremburg sim expo back in 2022. I knew within minutes of trying a throttle and brake setup that the throttle feedback was nonsense, it just felt so unnatural. The ABS feeling though was a different story so i’m totally aligned with your opinions on that. Regarding the noisy passive pedal, I think if you stuck a foam washer in front of the teflon piece and one on the throw adjuster that might do the job? Worth a quick mock up to see what you think. Regards, Pete

[@JoFandango]

shall we have to adjust ourselves such a thing for a pedal that cost 370 € ?

[@pineapplegrips1989]

@@JoFandango no ofcourse not but simucube will put it right so I was merely suggesting it as a temporary solution.

[@wadezaluski2440]

Do you think there is a way to rig up a do it yourself modification to dampen the noise of the pedal? Good information in this video. Well done as always.

[@frankderks1150]

Easy to do with a couple of rubber washers.

[@jameslsimsports8514]

I like the design, but can see the noise being an issue for some people. The lack of having a nut at the top of the spring is also a head scratcher.

[@SuperMK1989]

I was hopeful that this video was coming soon! The noise is a serious disappointment though. Hopefully that is solved or can find a mod to make it muted.

[@death32815]

I have never been in a car where the throttle wasnt inert. The most feeling you get is a little wiggle at the top before it starts moving the linkage.

[@joshevansgp]

Thanks for the review. Very helpful

[@giogamer4825]

Looking forward to your Fanatec DD+ review..can't sleep! 😅

[@boostedmedia]

Don’t wait up mate. It’s looking like it’ll be a while.

[@Crypto_Sim_Racing]

Same I can’t wait either ❤

[@Crypto_Sim_Racing]

@@boostedmediaany chance of a first impressions video 😃

[@deep_water]

​@@boostedmediaNow thats a shame, I would have thought they would get review samples straight out to increase the word.

[@boostedmedia]

We’ve had the DD+ here for almost a week now but no software. So no first impressions video. Haven’t been able to use it yet. Not sure what’s going on TBH. Been very difficult to get clear answers from them but I’m working on it. We’re still quite a way away from the DD+ shipping to customers.

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

I will never get why a throttle paddle has to have a load cell. Not a single real car on the market does that.

[@boostedmedia]

I don’t think anyone’s saying it has to have one. I certainly don’t see it as an advantage in any way. Gets the job done cheaply just like a Hall effect sensor or rotary pot.

[@02bluehawk]

Yea I'm right there with you makes zero sense to me why pedal manufacturers are spending all this money to rnd different throttle pedals when the pedal in cars is simply 2 potentiometers and a spring. The dual potentiometer system is so that the car can logic between the 2 to confirm pedal position with out fault. Oem throttle pedals are around 100usd and work with a 5v reference so I don't understand why sim companies wouldn't just use them.

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

@@boostedmedia Sure i understand that. It just doesn’t make sense to me to measure throttle position with a pressure sensor. It just feels like the wrong tool for the job and an unnecessary expense.

[@DDuck777]

​@@02bluehawk There is way more slop in cheap OEM pedals than a SIM pedal. Imagine trying to constantly adjust the deadzone out.

[@02bluehawk]

@DDuck777 in my 15 years as an automotive technician, shop manger, and now shop owner I've replaced maybe 5 throttle pedals that have failed/weren't reading correctly. The "slop" you may be referring to is usually programming on the engine management software to provide a smother/slower power delivery as well as sitting at idle parked the throttle blade it's self is partially open to maintain idle (usealy around 10-15%) so throttle peddle doesn't really do much at for 10-15% of the throw at idle because of that. The engine management software has a curve on the throttle based on load, speed, what gear you are in, as well as many other factors. But the pedal it's self is extremely precise and accurate

[@cantfeelthis3288]

Looks amazing! Is there any chance we can get a real comparison of the DD bases and which are worth it? Ive been eyeing up the sc2 pro for a few YEARS but i always kinda think what if i buy it now for that huge price and then they bring out a newer version. At the same time all the competition seems to be a step behind but there is almost no one that has tried multiple dd bases of the caliper.

[@FG_SIMRACING]

@cantfeelthis3288 I think they won’t bring a new Simucube 2 model cause they are busy with upgrading there firmware etc so my logic says there is no new DD in the line. But I don’t know 100% offcourse.

[@kevinmurray1764]

Wish we had a store like that in the UK. I want to upgrade pedals and would like to try a couple before buying them

[@Kerhuz]

You could put some small foam rings on the rods for the noise reduction.

[@117johnpar]

Company: "That'll Be $674,000 for 4% more feedback accuracy for one single input aspect without any mounting solutions" "We'll take 3" -sim people

[@jimpfitzinger9604]

Will, thanks for the review. Are you getting your best lap times with the AP brake and either passive or AP throttle? Compared to other pedals you have?

[@boostedmedia]

My lap times are pretty much the same between all the high end pedals we have here. My skill is the limiting factor and will be for most people with hardware at this level.

[@jimpfitzinger9604]

Will, then my question would be - for a first sim rig doesn’t even make sense to get the Simucube AP brake and passive throttle even if one can afford it OR just go with reputable load cell pedals? Thanks.

[@BAC_Mono]

I wonder if VRS would sell me a throttle/ clutch 2 pedal combo, add my Simagic actuators to those and then just buy a Simucube active brake?

[@limpetarch98k]

Yeah even these are out of my budget. I already have a relatively healthy budget for simracing, and even then I find myself looking for either the VNM Simulation V1s or the Simagic P1000s.

[@tdhitchins]

Will you be testing the simlab xp1’s Will? Was it them you said you’d got past a few issues with an employee there now, so was hoping you may take a look at them

[@boostedmedia]

Never had any issues with Simlab mate. That was Simagic. Yeah we should have them here soon hopefully.

[@innovirtua]

Stick a Simagic Haptic on the back of the Passive Throttle for 50 bucks. Best of both worlds.

[@philippegohier6992]

I dont know why they dont simply use a mountain bike damper . Something by shimano or something. Some model you can adjust the power. With a good understanding of the lever law, i think it make sense

[@vladledrac]

will just a question could you in theory add say a soft rubber bushing/spacer say about 3/16" thick to where the throttle shaft attaches to the backside of the pedal and could that help with the noise of the pedal including the explosive release? looking at it from my POV watching the video you could add/take some preload out of it to where it feels comfortable again for the user's driving setup

[@mtkb8978]

DYI "sound absorber" tape might help with that noise issue. Should not be a deal breaker, but on that price point that should work without any workarounds

[@Hexadeci]

From what I’ve seen on discord its not that simple or even possible to reduce the sound. For me that would drive me insane.

[@burgothirtyeight6645]

Great review thanks Will. Any recommendations as to where to buy in Australia? Looking for the active pedal, passive throttle and baseplate bundle or similar.

[@davidcupra4913]

Love this. Iv a similar set up got into it in March.

[@dolev9999]

sound rubber on the back slider and bumpstop should fix the noise.

[@epdom]

Love your socks. Just for them here goes my like. Seriously now, excellent review as usual. Keep it up

[@jeanpierrebendezu99]

Hey Will! Are you still using the Simucube Ultimate on your rig or are you using an Invicta now? Just wondering between the 2!

[@seattime4075]

Rubber or felt washer would greatly reduce the noises. Although with a active pedal, not in my budget

[@SimRacingFanDK]

Looks amazing but just shows the overall issue with beeing a simracer its too god damn expensive 🤔🤣

[@boostedmedia]

I disagree. Nobody’s being forced or even really encouraged to buy gear like this.

[@SimRacingFanDK]

@@boostedmedia i know just kidding i would love to able to afford this kind of stuff, though my T-LCM pedals probably fits my driving level very well :)

[@MrKrampyHands]

Jeez louise you got something like 7k invested in a pedal set that's insane i couldn't do it im quite happy with my Moza CRP pedals the only pedals ive used that cost more are Heusinkveld ultimate pedals theyre cool but still not quite worth that price and no i sure do not see those active pedals being worth thousands i think the only reason they cost so much is because simucube is the only company making a active pedal stop they gotta that market cornered and can change what ever they want simucube is awesome ive used a simucube 2 pro it's awesome but doesn't cost anywhere near what those active pedals cost

[@Patrik.Pereira]

For that price I buy a used car and take it to the nordschleife

[@regibson23]

Between the noise and not having a lock nut on the preload I'm surprised at the lack of attention to detail on this.

[@Onii77]

I modded the passive throttle to use a Fanatec adjustable damper because I was disappointed that such a costly pedal didn't have damping. idk if it's bad ettiequte to shout out a short vid on my channel but I posted it just for this.

[@Anfieldpro]

Hey will I was wondering since I have a similar set up to you what your in game camera settings you use for f1 23 as I am struggling to find a good one to hide the ingame steering wheel using the black foam without blocking the actual game?

[@Rollie24]

Are you able to mix and match pedals and DDs for example have MOZA R9 and fanatic pedals?

[@kpudgar]

It looks like to me that you could use some sort of soft dampening behind the last part of the pedal as it seems that metal ring is hitting and making the loud noise, but true that Simucube could of addressed it.

[@boostedmedia]

Yep. a rubber o-ring with an ID the same diameter as the shaft should take care of it. Shouldn't be necessary though.

[@kpudgar]

Especially not in that price range (as you too addressed in the review).

[@benk8594]

Hey Will, whats the new Light Blue car in the background? Time for a review on that beast yeah?

[@stevejohnny1111]

Micro Center looks great! Why dont we have that in England?

[@mermertago1437]

Hi Will, When is the Soelpec wheel review out?

[@Mr.Grumps565]

So my thrustmaster tsxw started not syncing and just locks up and starts flashing do you have any suggestions.

[@matta2738]

A Lotus Emira..... Interesting decision

[@steve8339]

How can they justify these prices absolutely ridiculous

[@Patrik.Pereira]

Almost 7000 dollars for 3 pedals is beyond ridiculous

[@grayzedynamics]

Good review Will. Although we gotta get you some new socks. May be time to invest in Morad socks. ;)

[@user-MaxwellDesign]

I knew you were goimg to buy all 3, your reaction to them was perfect haha

[@giantman261]

Need a couple of O-rings to take some of that thud out of it.

[@vjollila96]

would be nice if they also had passive brake too

[@nathanstretch]

if you're not buying their active brake, there are many other good options out there. Their whole point is the active brake.

[@henlienr22]

when will you review the clubsport dd? 😋

[@MrSamuelDM]

man that sounds a lot like the pedal in my old f150

[@danielmalka8884]

Great video! I can’t but them but I’m looking for a 600 dollars pedals set, can be 2 pedals or 3 what are your favorite?

[@02bluehawk]

Best bang for your buck pedal set he has said multiple times is the fanatec csl elite v2s I purchased them based on his recommendation amd love them

[@danielmalka8884]

@@02bluehawk I’m not necessarily searching for the best bang for bucks I’m searching for the best pedals for around 600 dollars. The options are: vnm, imsim telanto, p2000, etc.

[@malgrif091]

For the pricing section of the video, i think you should have just added a table view of what you were saying. It was very hard to follow.

[@xlucyV3x]

why on earth would you need an active throttle pedal ?

[@JasonCihak1]

Well done!

[@bananaZn]

Great review! Are you planning to make a video about that handsome blue car in the background, would be very interested :D

[@boostedmedia]

Yep at some point. It’s off having PPF done at the moment.

[@Clay_Regazzoni]

Will, I think you need a pair of new socks bro😂 Enjoy the weekend mate 🍀

[@KevinVanHumbeeck]

since when is there a Lotus in the back?

[@jasonshort3047]

Can we expect to see a review of your Lotus?

[@jimmie3times]

Boosted- I LOVE your content, but I’m an oval racer and a lot of this doesn’t apply to my situation. Is there an oval driven channel that you recommend to learn more about these pedals?

[@rooman7160]

Did you not get for free the pedal plate and one active pedal, and the 2nd active pedal that you could keep for testing for 5 weeks and then buy at a heavily discounted price or send back to them at their expense? So you did not 'purchase' all three I believe, just for transparency context.

[@boostedmedia]

Plate and shipping was covered by them. I paid for the two additional pedals at a discounted rate. All up I think I spent about $4000.

[@rooman7160]

@@boostedmedia thanks for confirmation of my information, I was unaware you purchased the 3rd unit, kind of states how good the product is if you spent you own cash. Keep up the good work.

[@Daz5Daz]

So we buy a set of pedals for a few hundred quid and then have to pop down to the plumbing supplier to pick up 2 rubber washers for 20 pence to deal with the horrible clunking sounds. Genius move Simucube.

[@Patrik.Pereira]

2000bux each pedal.... Few hundred quids nothing

[@mikeyearly]

FYI the small spring by the pivot didn't go back into it's locating nib when you reassembled

[@josephbornman8462]

Fair enough, big discrepancy in price if you want that extra haptic feedback, whereas it's primarily for being a throttle I hope they make a passive clutch pedal too

[@jakehiggins5118]

I think it's time for some new socks m8 😂

[@MrMikap74]

Will, you need new socks instead of new pedals ;-)

[@KingOfYing1]

Maybe divert some of your pedal budget to socks! 😂

[@boostedmedia]

What’s wrong with my socks? 😂

[@jerrybynum5702]

No way I'm dropping $2K on a pedal ...

[@eetuli85]

i can't justify the price and it's only a throttle pedal anyway

[@Russell-rg2ej]

They should produce a set for the Passive, instead of messing with the eco system.

[@02bluehawk]

Still makes no sense why sim companies make a load cell throttle and clutch. Both throttle and clutch are position based pedals IRL so why would you want pressure based?

[@boostedmedia]

Its not pressure based. As explained in the video, the small spring exerts a force on the strain gage proprotional to the position of the pedal.

[@v0ldy54]

Brakes are definitely not position based on real cars unless you have something with a brake by wire system, but for the throttle yea, that I dont understand since all that matters is the angle.

[@02bluehawk]

@v0ldy54 Whoops brain typo, I ment clutch not brake my bad

[@v0ldy54]

@@02bluehawk ah then yes, load cell on a clutch also seems kinda pointless, although I'd be really curious to see how an active pedal could simulate the sensation of a real clutch since the simple spring on my pedals is just miserable at that

[@02bluehawk]

@v0ldy54 yea I feel like you would have to program it for each car for the bite point unless they can look at the software and do it live if so then that would be sick af

[@josephbornman8462]

Bro I can smell the socks through the video

[@jamiemb17]

The car behind you is distracting 😆

[@silverfoxvr8541]

The brake pedal is literally pay to win. The throttle not.

[@Patrik.Pereira]

Nah man, fast driver would beat anyone using g29 pedals

[@DeanoDrives]

You don't have to justify your spending to us Will! We already expect by this time next year you will have an F1 Grade simulator in your garage! We are all patiently waiting for the series where Daniel Ricciardo comes over in preparation for his 2024 Red Bull seat. 😂

[@boostedmedia]

No justifying my spending. Just explaining that my reasons are quite specific and different from most people. I dont want people thinking that just because I bought them they should too.

[@Pvt_PandaPear]

I always wonder.. you keep saying that you give your objective honest opnion on products. But how can you be objective when you have affiliate links for a lot of these products. That means that you as a company still benefit from people buying these products, which in turn means there can never be a 100% objective opinion right? Love to be proven wrong but I can't see it.

[@boostedmedia]

Have a look at the “How Boosted Media Makes Money & Why it Matters” article and video linked in the video description. All explained there :) Feel free to come back after and ask any questions and I’m more than happy to answer.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

TLDR: overpriced mid

[@realtimeinc2159]

Simcube never fails to ask high prices for basic nothing.

[@clawbro]

Spoken like someone who has been fooled by Fanatec.

[@realtimeinc2159]

@@clawbro no asetec forte but nice try.

[@robertvansteinshwaga]

Those active pedals are the most overpriced sim racing product on the market. They are out of their minds.

[@Patrik.Pereira]

Ya cmon lets be serious, 6000 bucks for 3 pedals its a f......k joke

[@Sean-ps3ec]

Still waiting to meet the Lotus @BoostedMedia

[@boostedmedia]

It's off getting PPF at the moment. When it gets back I'll try and squeeze in a video. Flat out at the moment.