Reason 13: Sub vs. Non-Sub... What's the issue?

Reason 13 is incredible... but the subscription is a bitter pill for some. Let's discuss the differences between it and the perpetual license!
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
3:00 Differences
5:40 Algoritm
6:10 Friktion
6:30 Objekt
7:00 Complex-1
10:00 Reason Companion Expansions
11:40 Making a beat
14:00 Chord Sequencer
17:00 Cheat bass line
19:20 Final Beat

[@DigitalFacts]

I invested a whole lot of money into the Reason ecosystem for each and every update of the perpetual license and each and every rack extension be it from Reason Studios or from 3rd party developers. With the constant pressure of pushing people towards the subscription based model, Reason 12 was the last time I payed for an update. With the release of Reason 13 I left this train not willing to support this business model anymore. I do this with a heavy heart because Reason was always my weapon of choice but I can no longer justify spending money for a product where I no longer agree with the product strategy of the company. Thanks Jef for doing this video.

[@LossLeadas]

How they push people to buy subscription..bc i dont have one

[@_P_M_]

Love the software. Hate the way they treat their perpetual user base. They need to address this.

[@LossLeadas]

How should they treat us?

[@_P_M_]

@@LossLeadas Raising the price of a perpetual license to $500 and upgrade price to $200 was done to ruin the value of a perpetual license against just paying $20 a month to sub. Not giving perp.lic buyers the same rack devices and players that subs get so they have to buy them separately at full price if they want them. And subs get all of the soundpacks and content, which buyers don't get. I don't think that's how you should treat your loyal customers.

[@LossLeadas]

@@_P_M_ but u use 3rd party in they daw....and pay for them....2. People want a good daw but mad about $200 update..that yall spend on everything else... Now if they keep raising it they buggin...but they couldve charge full price. Yea we license owners who only pay for a NEW VERSION

[@LossLeadas]

@@_P_M_ if yall was loyal customers u wouldnt use 3rd party in they daw u would buy their plugins...this is business also.....having subs they make consistent money to help make the product better this is why they get everything...license not paying nothing but a half price fee and mad. But want free features during the updates......now if raising the price helps they butts do better! Ill pay it!...but we will see...if they dont change for the better then ill be pissed off

[@_P_M_]

@@LossLeadas Dude, if you want to hand them $240 a year and then lose access to your DAW the first month you don't pony up the $20 rent, be my guest. This idea of constantly paying out but never owning anything is BS. Clearly Reason favors it's renters over it's owners, and that is what I'm objecting to.

[@ramojones9694]

Hey Jeff, I've been following you for years now and you've helped me a lot. F...k these people you don't have to apologize for anything or to anyone. We're all human. Thanks hope you've been feeling good and keep up the good work.

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it Ramojones!!

[@TheLordcasio]

So polite...so Canadian. Yet, I hear you and the undertones of your frustration. I for one would like to thank you for all of your selfless hard work in informing the audio production community, and "sorry" if some folks have given you grief. PS: We're about the same age, I imagine...watch that sun exposure. You're looking a little burnt, my guy.

[@mycosys]

Insulting someone with a genuine compliment is a true Canadian skill, i dunno if ive seen people from anywhere else do it so scathingly XD

[@twocanucksful]

You, along with other music production “reviewers”, provide a great service to this community. You deserve all the perks that you can get. The same people that accuse you of being “sold” for a few dollars would probably never give you a penny for your work, yet they benefit greatly from it. That is a sense of entitlement that I simply cannot understand. Your videos are full of useful information that allow us to make difficult decisions. Thank you for the time that you put in to develop this content. Please DO NOT turn down the small perks that you can get because of some hypercritical and ungrateful KZbin consumers. As far as Reason+, it may not be a bad idea for me. I already own everything from Native Instruments and Arturia, so I don’t NEED another suite of instruments, yet this looks really cool. I would mind noodling with it for a month, from time to time. 👍

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate your support!! Yeah, it’s definitely worth testing, just be sure to bounce any tracks to audio if you cancel your sub!

[@justincaldwell2527]

I have R12 and will stay with it. I was on the last round of Beta for R13 and aside from the things you mentioned there were no groundbreaking advances. The sticker shock of $199 for the upgrade did me in. I may wait till the newness factor of the release subsides and they have a Black Friday special and drop the price. That Polytone synth though was sweet. But then so are the 100 others I have that do the same thing.

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Jef, you're DEFINITELY not a shill. Thank you SO MUCH for all of the amazing work you've done for us. Reason Studios is heading dangerously close to the direction AVID/Protools went. They are behind in their offerings yet believe that they are somehow entitled to subscriptions while very vague regarding their languages on offerings. Reason Studios has always been a relatively cool solution. HOWEVER, I (and likely many others) are exhausted by having to parse through all of the "offerings" details, as though we are contracts attorneys who love to subject ourselves to punishing & exhaustive reading, to assure we aren't getting screwed over. If they don't want to provide us what is current when we purchase the perpetual license... then I refuse to buy it. Therefore, they'll get NO money from many of us... which they seem to disregard. Somehow so much focus is on repetitive payments, that they are blinding themselves toward 1x payments. And that's ok. They don't want my money... then I won't force them to take it. Thank again, for ALL you do for us.

[@mrmaison4924]

It's times like this when GAS pays off in the long run. That impulse buy I did getting Reason 11 suite during covid was the best Reason purchase I made so far. What's stopping me from getting R13 atm is the upgrade price. I only pay $100 or even less during the summer sale for Cubase. I also bought Friktion and couple other things during sales for only $50. Make sure to keep an eye on your reward points. I got chord sequencer for free using mine.

[@jefgibbons]

That’s good to hear!

[@creativedwill]

Love your channel bro! Thank you for everything! You truly inspired me to start my journey! Keep doing what you are doing🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💯

[@bblas5199]

Love your channel, Jeff. Don't let the haters get you down, and keep those brilliant review/tutorial videos coming. Appreciate all your hard work. 🙏❤

[@shubus]

Nope! No subscription services for me, folks! No Reason 13, no Adobe, no Museo, etc. Either I OWN it or I don't use it.

[@mrmaison4924]

You can get a perpetual license for MUSIO. I got mine last year for $200. They always have sales for it.

[@shubus]

@@mrmaison4924 Good to know. I still don't like downloading what you need to use it every time. My samples are all on my SSD's...no internet connection needed.

[@darkmaer]

I just hate that they charge way too much now to upgrade the perpetual license, which I think psychologically, they are trying to get you to subscribe since that’s where the actual money is. It was $130 for the upgrades to perpetual license for years. Then all of a sudden they go from $130 all the way to $200. It’s not worth it. I could understand $150 but $200 is ridiculous. So like I did last time 12 is when they upped the price to $200 I will wait for a sale.

[@jefgibbons]

Agreed 100%, too much!

[@billbradleymusic]

Jeff, you already pay for your subscription. Doing one demo video should be worth a lifetime subscription.

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it Bill!

[@jadennnnn]

The only subscription that’s worth it is subscribing to Jef!

[@AHmediaDesigns]

I think the point here is that many people have invested for years into the Reason ecosystem, buying Rack Extensions and version upgrades and feel like Reason Studios will eventually try to go subscription only, leaving those behind who are already invested. Also, the upgrade price of $199 (US) is way to steep for what they're offering, when it used to be $129 iirc. So, unless you've already accumulated a lot of extensions, the upgrade is not worth it at all. It does become cheaper however if you skip a version (or a few) and then upgrade. I'm still on 11 suite and will wait till v14 to upgrade (unless they offer a discount).

[@nico5]

I don’t think most people realize how little money there is to be made from KZbin videos for the vast majority of creators. If one would calculate it as an hourly wage, it would be minuscule. So without getting free stuff, many creators probably wouldn’t be able to afford to get the stuff they showcase or review. An added complexity is, when creators get a fully loaded deluxe version of a product, and often have to make their videos before the official release. So they may not have easy access to knowing what is not included in lesser versions. Or even what the final prices are. So KZbin creators/influencers as well as their viewers are a bit between a rock and a hard place in trying to figure out, if something is worth their money.

[@googleuser318]

Thanks for the vids Jef. My 2 cents on the whole thing, which to be fair I've not paid much attention to because I stopped caring about Reason a while ago. I've been a user/owner since version 2 till 11 and for me it's just not super relevant anymore. Yes there's lots of cool stuff there and all that but any company effectively forcing their customers to sign up for a "pay us monthly and own nothing" model is instantly invisible to me. Subscriptions just suck, nobody likes them, they only benefit the company and everyone knows why they are doing it and it feels dirty and greedy. Why destroy your brand forcing customers to do things they don't want to? Makes zero sense whatsoever. It's clear these companies don't give a damn about their customers and only care about boosting company valuation to make it an appealing sell. Fake!! I'm a Live and Bitwig user. I'm not a fan of the yearly update plan that Bitwig does but it's better than a standard subscription. If either of those DAWs move to sub only I'll just move to another DAW or go 100% DAWless again. I personally just won't do the sub thing ever, don't care how good the software is.

[@jefgibbons]

I hear you! Subscription exhaustion is real…

[@coldskoolbeatz]

I don't think you're shilling one bit. You seem like a very positive person. Period.

[@TylerDurdenXIII]

worked with reason for years until the 7th when I started to be aggressive with paid updates.....FL studio Update for life I

[@entropie]

That's the main "reason" I use and support FL.

[@Lagos3sgte]

I paid for a year of Reason Plus. As soon as you cancel, you lose access to all of the combinators that you download through the subscription. You also can’t open songs that you made with the latest version of reason with your older version. So you pay for a year but then get nothing in return. It would be better if they let you keep the sound packs or if they had some type of rent to own model that credits you towards the full license.

[@alchemistrpm82]

We don’t think you’re a shill man. We know where to go for that. I don’t think most people begrudge you for getting some “free” stuff while you’re busy covering the constant flow of new releases. The fact is, no one would do this if there were nothing in it for them. You always broach the question “is it right or not for you?” and I believe your sincerity shines through. Keep it 🆙

[@MaximusWhyman]

The value for Reason just isn't there considering FL Studio has lifetime free updates and there point updates are bigger than full versions of Reason. I'm glad they've updated their sequencer, but there are so many better options comparatively.

[@BertFlanders]

Why subscriptions? Everytime a new version of my DAW (Cubase) is released, I buy the upgrade, BUT I remain free to stop upgrading and can use the software for the rest of my life 'as is '. A subscription is a trap. If you no longer _subscribe_ you are no longer able to open projects made in the past ....

[@R1PPA-C]

Completely agree with the reward system, look at Cubase...I upgraded to 13 pro and I think it only cost me £70 roughly! I went to Cubase 10 pro for a couple hundred using cross grade discount with my reason serial number.

[@mrmaison4924]

Same here. Isn't it awesome we got a cross grade price for Cubase because of owning Reason and still able to take Reason with us? 😎

[@R1PPA-C]

@@mrmaison4924 absolutely!! I stopped using reason whilst I became familiar with Cubase again after a good 15 year or so break . I've finally started using reason as a rack within Cubase where it shines...sound design!!

[@robertshamansky1912]

I only use the RRP so Reason 13 will be an absolute hard pass for me. I have way too many other VST's to begin with. I really like the Reason Players and the synths, so I will run Reason 12 for as long as I can. Thanks for all you do for us!

[@TeslaOsiris]

The reality is: The moment you even mention anything that is even remotely "subscription" adjacent, there will be a certain subgroup of internet rage posters that will come out of the woodwork to just crap on any video that's out there. It happens. EVERY. TIME. Like, you can time a watch to it. No one is forcing anyone to sub up to a service. And it isn't shilling for creators to make sponsored content...the entire platform of KZbin is based on sponsored-content. There are adds literally everywhere. Posters who vice signal about sponsored content being "shilling" are naive to the ecosystem they are in.

[@jefgibbons]

Couldn’t have said it better myself, thanks!

[@MillisecondFalcon]

There is a comparison page linked when you select "What do I get when I upgrade to Reason 13?" in the FAQ that lists what's included in Reason 6 to 12, Reason 13 and Reason+, but it's not VERY easy to find from the home page. My issue with the subscription is there is only one option. I think many more long-time users would consider subscribing if there was a cheaper option that includes everything except sound packs, which could be available separately allowing you to buy only whichever ones you want. The cost of the subscription, for the first time you subscribe at least, should also be discounted by various amounts based on which devices you have already paid for separately. In terms of what's new in 13, I think there's been too much emphasis on new devices in recent releases and not enough new or improved features. I'm still undecided about upgrading, though that's partly because I'm not making music full time. I've used Reason because I prefer its visual style to DAWs where everything looks exactly the same. But I don't enjoy editing in it. They really need to bring Reason up to par with other DAWs if they want to regain market share. It's a shame they're sticking so steadfastly (unreasonably?) to what many users say is a bad business model. And not offering the same 20pc off upgrades for a limited time gives a clear message to perpetual users just how much we mean to them.

[@bloodswarms]

Problem with the subscription is that they don't release instruments or devices enough to justify it. When they released Reason 11 Suite back when, I bought it, and I bought Friktion and most of the other REs. I'm on Reason 12 now. So other than the instrument and the delay in Reason 13, the only thing I don't have is Objekt. I might buy Objekt. I'm gonna skip Reason 13 and catch up with it' when it's a more valuable offer. Reason+ only makes sense if you didn't buy perpetual licenses for years and don't have most of what they offer in the subscription.

[@kristianadolfsson]

Updating from 9 to 13 so this video was very useful. Hate subs! Chord Sequencer is included in 13, yay!

[@digitalhillbilly8863]

Reason owners did get a 50 percent discount the first year. The same deal they give new users on Black Friday.

[@youtubevideos415]

BTW Reason's yearly subscription is on sale at least once a year. Got it for just 99.50 EUR.

[@coldskoolbeatz]

Although I'm not an FL Studio user, I like their business model. They offer free lifetime updates to the software and offer a subscription only for there plugins. I hate Reason Studios' business model and slow development of Reason. I still can't fathom why they removed favorites for devices from v13.

[@twocanucksful]

Thanks!

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it 2Canucks!!

[@thegoodsherman]

yes, it's always only half-finished and implemented...and it takes an eternity until something is integrated...if at all. I always wonder what they do all the time... not much comes out of it... always just the absolute minimum... we don't need any new effects and synth... there are 1000 and much better ones. I've been using version 2.0 for a while and at the moment I'm still on version 10.0. I won't update either. Maybe it's time to change the DAW

[@delphisignal]

You are great and I appreciate the information and transparency. They, however, are asking $199 to upgrade (I own v12) or the monthly sub and they haven’t updated their marketing materials (that old chart you had to pull up) to show their value. If I were doing their marketing, I’d want to show what they have to offer and why upgrading is worth it. That they haven’t, takes away some of my trust.

[@lionbird7176]

Seems like a good time and place to add my chorus of simple distaste for the upgrade pricing. That’s all that is on my mind with reason. Cuba’s upgrade price is so much nicer.

[@jefgibbons]

At $200 they should be throwing in a coupon for a synth of your choice or player or something… that would go a long way!

[@Pintosonic]

In 2022 I bought Reason+ for a year for $99 on their black Friday sale. My goal was to subscribe to Reason + for a year and see if I wanted to buy it because subscribing to a DAW is not acceptable for me as you have to maintain a subscription to open your old projects even if you decide to switch to another daw in the future. And when I saw everything that wasn’t part of Reason 12 and had to be bought separately I stopped using it because $500 for the base software plus all the extras I wanted would have cost me almost $900. And even at that price you don’t have everything you have on Reason +. This makes Reason way too expensive for what it is if you choose the perpetual license. The same things go for plugin subscriptions, I don’t like it. The only subscription I have is for samples libraries because if you unsubscribe, you still have access to the samples you downloaded, you don’t have to maintain a valid subscription to open your old projects. A subscription for a DAW is moronic IMO because all your music is in a format that requires a subscription for you to have access to. With plugins, you can still open your project and with a little work you can replace the plugins you no longer have access to. But with the daw itself you are fucked if you want to unsubscribe.

[@npinero1]

I've had the perpetual since version 2.5. I dont like the subscription model and the $200 upgrade for a synth, delay, utilities and a floating browser, while losing favorites, is not ideal for me. I love a larger % of what Reason does but this upgrade is not ideal for me.

[@gordowebb9910]

Speaking of subscriptions, am i wasting money upgrading NI complete when they're headed towards a subscription based program soon.

[@ninjitzu228]

I understand why people don't want to subscribe. I still use Reason 10 and only bought the chords player. I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment from this software and I'm considering paying to upgrade it. I don't think $200 is too much to ask for all that's included in this upgrade. Considering the amount of time I spend using it.

[@jefgibbons]

That’s great to hear!

[@TheLordcasio]

Just a thought...I own Cubase and Bitwig. I have owned (or had early 2000's warez versions of) Logic, Reason, Reaper, the ubiquitous free version of Live we all get at some point (and if I'm REALLY dating myself, Cool Edit). What do folks in this dialogue think is this best DAW for innovating/creating something (relatively) completely original? What I mean is, at some point, most of these DAWs get the same functionality. Which one makes you (the folks in the thread) feel the most liberated to make something weird that you have in your head? We can throw Protools out the window, as it is great for multitrack recording and comping, but is pretty limited in its patching and devices. The knee-jerk answer for me would be Bitwig, but Reasons interface was an early winner, back in the day. Have not used Reason for over a decade, so maybe it still offers something that (either its interface or upgrades) could be cool....just trolling for input. Sorry that I did not include FFL Studio...to steep of a learning curve for me at this point.

[@jefgibbons]

I really should check out Bitwig one of these days!

[@TheLordcasio]

@@jefgibbons If you have (as if, anyone doen't) a version of Live, it is a similar metaphor to Live. You probably know the story....made by former Live developers, but Bitwig goes WAY deeper into modularity. I don't think Bitwig gets the same love from Max MSP, BUT Bitwig can run on Linux....which opens it up to being the basis of a hardware device. The Torso S4, Zynthian and others that run off of a stock Raspberry Pi. The MPC LIVE (insert version) and Maschine +, as you have noted, run off an SBC (a more powerful Raspberry Pi....for those of you following this dialogue). The point of my long-winded response is that you can potentially turn Bitwig into a hardware-esque device....without paying the Push 3 prices. IF you wanna get into the weeds of Linux and a "Terminal Programming" thing, to make music. That...and Bitwig is just awesome. Still use Cubase though. The two cover a LOT of ground.

[@jefgibbons]

@@TheLordcasio Thanks! Yeah, I have Live 12, just haven't dug in yet... but I appreciate the notes on Bitwig!

[@EricJohnson-fh8zj]

I hope nobodey came down harshly against you personally Jeff. You've allways been clear that you dont want anyone to spend $$ on anything they dont need or isnt right for them. You give good well intentioned reviews and tutorials. Not your fault these companies are moving further and further away from what people want, and more towards pushing customers into shelling out a constant stream of money to them.

[@rikkshow]

I upgraded Cubase Pro for 1/3 and they also gave extra free 3rd party plugins on top of it. As a rack user $200 is a bad joke. R15 maybe, if it is still possible to buy, but that will not be until 2027!? Good Lord, Reason really push the R+ so hard we all gonna leave... For new buyers it is $500, but then the most interesting devices are not included, so it will be $1000 to get it. Yeah, that is way off in today's market... And nothing for years of loyalty, just R+...

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

I pretty sure I comment on your last video however it is not there, hope you're not blocking people. Reason plus, increase stand alone price by 3rd, Removing lite, and Suit, most new devices sold separately. This is most of why Reason users are not happy.

[@jefgibbons]

Hey Holla! I didn’t delete any from that vid, nothing too toxic… and definitely didn’t block you. Thanks for sharing.

[@ricardovilhena8454]

Hi. I am a Reason user since v 6.5 and and i put a lot of money in each a every upgrade. I think it is not fair for old users the price they charge for The upgrade and lack of feactures compare to The subscrition. Shame on them. Best regards from Portugal

[@liothomasart]

I paid for a year of Reason+ back in November. Got everything for free when the upgrade dropped. Simple.

[@Pieter_Auper]

You got nothing for free. End your subscription and POOF! Both your money AND the software are gone leaving you with nothing.

[@kielhall8363]

This space subscription from these companies is really becoming interesting now you’re just a novelist. You really don’t need that but if you are working musician, who may need it for the particular project and you want to pay a month just to get the sounds it may be reasonable. reason, just taking it in account.Peace Jeff👍🏿

[@jefgibbons]

Thanks Kielhall!

[@johnsuggs7828]

I was one of those who spoke rather scathingly about Reasons. That's against Reasons, not Jeff. I've been a fan of this channel for more than a year and don't see that changing. I'm just of the mindset that if I pay for something, provided I comply with all of the licensing rules about number of activations....actually activating (as some....don't). I want to pay and go. If I choose to interact with the company again for any reason, that's to be seen. But I don't like the fact that in my Reasons 11, I've purchased plugins from them that I can't get access to unless I log into their servers. This is plug-ins that I purchased outside of a subscription. I still have to log in. If I don't, I can't use it. Access to those plug-ins is deactivated. There used to be a authentication software that used to authenticate your reasons without it being connected to the internet. They took that out as well. That's a big no no for me. Again, love the channel Jeff and no issues with you at all brother. But Reasons is a done deal for me. I have it on two of my computers and won't use it.

[@ApiaryProductions]

You don’t have to apologies for trying to help people Jef, just remove them from your group etc don’t spend anytime thinking about these kinds of people.

[@johnsuggs7828]

For all the software companies that may be watching this. *ARTURIA* got it right. I purchased Analog V....for 69.99. I got a discount out the blue from the normal 99.99. Think it was a birthday thing or something. it was version 3. So arturia just gave me 4......and 5......and a ton of sounds. Charged me....zero. I own the microfreak. Can't even go into what they've just thrown in on that thing. over 1000 additional sounds, sampler...just threw it in. for free. Arturia got it right REASONS. Purchased two used pieces of Arturia gear. I get ALL the software that it comes with like I purchased it new. Let me register without an issue and got a ton of vst's and ableton lite. I tried to dislike Arturia. But when someone is too nice, you kinda look like a jerk if you keep disliking them.

[@jefgibbons]

Arturia does great discounts for loyal users, even better is the free updates and continued updates to older hardware products they could easily charge for. They show it’s easy to make a loyal customer!

[@user-gx4ky6ct8c]

The subscription model of software is BS. One time fee is all it should ever be.

[@billbradleymusic]

Yep

[@strangnet]

No, there should be options. That way it matches different needs and users.

[@LordCritish]

I'm tired of the subscription BS companies trying to push on users! Too many subscriptions and all are designed for a single purpose: to milk more money out of customers! Subscribers more often than not will forget to cancel subscriptions in time when they don't need them and that's one of the main takes of why companies convert to subscriptions! The whole charade with the devices you're not getting on a perpetually paid upgrade evaded my since I have these REs already but that looks like a very scummy way of getting users to switch to subscription! Shame on you RS!

[@minusyou1]

They are way too precious with their walled garden with buy or subscription-in the Reason DAW at a minimum. Even if you just want to use their devices as a plugin in another DAW you still need to pay for Reason. There's money to be made if they would sell their devices outside that requirement.

[@anzatzi]

Paw Patrol!

[@jefgibbons]

Be there on the double…!

[@youtubevideos415]

Sorry for those negative Reason guys. I have no clue why there is so much negativity around Reason 13. It has been the best upgrade ever and Reason is totally awesome if you got the subscription. BTW, please make some content for Scenic. Native Instruments Play series is basically all just one single plugin where you can mix two samples from a to b. With Scenic you have the same and more functionality, but you can use your own samples. So you got an unending supply of your own Play Series instruments without having to pay NI.

[@jefgibbons]

Thanks! Yeah, scenic is a cool little synth, haven’t played with it for a while!

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

The new browser is driving me nuts : and the new synth is not as impressive as they claim it to be I subbeed for a moth to test drive it Also, are at all interested in using UNITY ? Cheers 🥂 🥂

[@jefgibbons]

Unity modern trailer synth?

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

@@jefgibbons Sorry my mistake boss, I meant UNIFY by plugin Guru

[@jefgibbons]

@@EBMZEQUENZER Aha! Yes, I've always wanted to look into that one!

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

@@jefgibbons Plugin Guru aka Skippy : streams very often you so show up sometimes and you can easily arrange a review with this guy, very very nice guy Cheers 🥂 🥂

[@jefgibbons]

@@EBMZEQUENZER Yes! I've heard such good things about him and would love to promote him and his stuff on my channel...