Why is this Idaho library 18 and over?

[@S.Waters.]

One of the libraries I take my children to has a sign at the circulation desk that says it is the responsibility of parents to know what their children are checking out from the library.

[@Marcello-16817]

That makes sense

[@RegWho]

So reasonable even the sign shouldn't be neccesary. There are those fighting to make these books unavailable to ppl of any age.

[@Charles-t7z]

Yeah like no children ever go to the library alone or with friends. LOL.

[@DerAua]

Ģood thinking. We need to protect our children. But it is personal responsibility now when your kids get possessed by a demon.

[@RegWho]

@@DerAua Or maybe your worried your kids might read something informing them that your antiquated superstitions belong to the 15th century. Cant have that, right?

[@May-nt3ow]

The fact people & kids WANT to be there says it is a good & positive place. The library was for me too.

[@YammoYammamoto]

yep... every person with a pocket full of candy can say the same thing. :D

[@jonathangehman4005]

@@YammoYammamoto I can see you've given this a lot of thought. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@YammoYammamoto]

@@jonathangehman4005 Likewise.

[@TDC7594]

People want to be in brothels and crack houses, too. Doesn't make it good.

[@MariaFMH]

Being protected from the library….crazy. As a kid who moved around a lot, the library was the only place I ever felt completely safe and like home.

[@JennyShull]

Places that sold movies, like Block Buster, had to have adult only sections where they put movies only adults could watch.

[@smugmode]

@@JennyShull okay?

[@LoKi-oc8ks]

I know it's like some trying to take away my right to defend my own life. I mean imagine hurting even a small part of the population for your definition of the public good.

[@LimaHotel807]

Yet another insane move by the anti-intellectual right.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

It's tragic what they're doing to libraries in places like this. This doesn't protect anyone. Libraries were doing just fine before with sorting their materials.

[@biblesforbreakfast]

Willing to bet that the people who passed this law don't even use libraries.

[@carlaeskelsen]

Or understand their Bibles.

[@samus598]

Half of US adults are practically illiterate. They can't even read The Bible that their megachurch pastor is supposedly teaching them. They only know the parts of The Bible that are the biggest money-makers. Hate, fear, anger, self-righteousness, victimization, etc.

[@noto1248]

and they usually just put an ipad in front of their kid anyway

[@ducks-on-quack]

They need to learn to read first

[@sevenstars004]

Of course not. They're too busy finding ways to be indignant and offended by things they don't understand and come up with solutions that help no one and screw everyone to some degree. These are the same people who disapprove of, or despise controversial TV or radio programs and people, saying they are vulgar, yet somehow know every word said by the people who are offending them.

[@ZanyCat]

According to this criteria, the Bible would belong in the "adult only" section, and the library could get sued for allowing kids to read it

[@10Wk3y84R]

No but you don't get it the Bible is for everybody because the christofascists that like to ban books say it is

[@TexasVagabond]

According to this video, it would just have to be in the adult section. It didn’t say children couldn’t check it out.

[@PurpleSunStudio]

​@@TexasVagabondBro stfu, the whole point of this video is pointing out how this particular law is making the act of reading an "adult" book, a liability to the libraries Why don't you just stfu and just listen instead of pointing out the obvious

[@arc8584]

I am a Christian and yes. Obviously. This is why there is such a thing as a "children's Bible". I don't know why people bring that up like it's a gotcha.

[@andrewn7365]

@@ZanyCat Ezekiel 23 is a prime example that should get all Bibles into the adult only section

[@edwardjennings6021]

"Your honor, all I did was open an animal encyclopedia" EDIT: will you people stop using my replies as a verbal battlefield

[@Charles-t7z]

Says the bestialist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[@thehunter7772]

Opening the bible is even worse.

[@randomness_regularly]

Also, no ready player one

[@xofi.]

​@@thehunter7772 so unnecessary to say

[@Lee-BHC]

Not sure that falls under porn

[@clemjoke7609]

Best way to get a kid to read a book is to tell him he can't read it.

[@heidi3963]

That only works if the child has access to books.

[@ZinniaDoesNothing]

@@clemjoke7609 I go out of my way to read books that have been banned just to see why they were banned. It’s great.

[@ishkar5k]

​@@heidi3963oh boy let me tell you about something called the internet

[@abaddon2148]

​@@heidi3963 Trust me as a former child, if there's a will, there's a way!

[@clemjoke7609]

@@heidi3963 Most librarians are left of center and will, probably, give the kiddies the prohibited books behind their parents' backs.

[@Chloe-pw4uh]

As a UK librarian, this is so horrendous. Solidarity with my colleagues in the US!

[@TallCFarms]

Considering the UK is jailing people for various opinions on social media, it's kinda cool that the libraries there are exempt from this mind policing?

[@Ruudes1483]

You got a license for that solidarity?

[@thedrewsite]

You live in a country that puts people in jail for mean words. Sit down. Shut up.

[@stevegoldstein3402]

Oi! Is that book over 6” long? It could be used as a weapon, better get a liocense mate.

[@gungaddin]

@@TallCFarms You know nothing about the UK and it's laws. Stop believing all the horseshit fed to you via social media.

[@chaochow393]

I love how Captain Underpants is one of the most banned children's series in the US and kinda of proves it's point that adults get offended over the dumbest things like toilet humor.

[@Kinuhbud]

wat??? they ban that stupid comic from when I was a kid?

[@chaochow393]

​@@Kinuhbud yep it's been banned from libraries commonly since around 2000, it has even made top ten lists according to Wikipedia. For immature/"offensive" humor (God forbid children are exposed to childish humor), "violence" (which is ironic because the flip o' rama parts), "encouraging kids to disrespect authority", and other stuff that offended Janice from the PTA enough to get it banned.

[@bethsojourner6798]

I opened and skimmed a cap't underpants book. I object to it bc it is filled with misspelled words and the grammer is horrible. Kids learn from what they read and these books are doing a disservice to the kids. I don't think they should be banned but I would be skeptical about letting my kids read them.

[@chaochow393]

​@@bethsojourner6798 are you talking about the parts that are regularly typed or the parts actually written by the main characters? Because half the book (in some of the books, it's the entire book) is written that way on purpose to make it look like George and Herold made the comic.

[@stday.m4v]

@@bethsojourner6798saying it’s filled with misspelled words followed by you unironically typing “grammer” is simultaneously hilarious and depressing. that’s a dumb objection, and it’s telling that a book that’s got a little immature humor is so offensive to you, that you’d not let your kids engage.

[@dexter111344]

The fact is, the bill makes it so even a dictionary could be seen as violating this dumb law.

[@FreeWorldSpirit313]

And the bible

[@Fen_Fox]

Fr though, first time I ever read what s*xual intercourse was, I was in like 2nd or 3rd grade casually going through the dictionary, can’t remember what for but probably looking for cool or fun words, or to look up definitions of words in books I’d read. I obviously immediately shared the phrase and definition with friends and we ended up giggling about it for several minutes straight, and then proceeded to spend the next half hour looking for more s*x related words in the dictionary because of course we did😅

[@oHaiKuu]

@@FreeWorldSpirit313 yuppp

[@arurora5474]

@@FreeWorldSpirit313maybe someone should start going about every library reporting the bible 👀 I'm not from the USA but if I were I would have a little malicious compliance tour... I feel like people must already be doing this. The Americans are pretty good at malicious compliance.

[@bobastu]

The dictionary is a reference book. It's classified differently than fiction and non-fiction. The dictionary is an academic book.

[@ninnusridhar]

Let's also not forget that 90% of book ban requests are from a very small group of people who don't try to ban books in towns they don't even live in

[@microdesigns2000]

@@ninnusridhar and books like these are made by a very few people who try to proliferate them to every town they don't know.

[@haroldharold9042]

also they don’t even read books. probably barely know how to read.

[@caseys2698]

And probably do not even read books. It’s just bigotry. Plain and simple.

[@HelenMassey-x8l]

Is your fault they can’t have nice things.

[@HelenMassey-x8l]

@@haroldharold9042yeah and all you need are pictures.

[@biblesforbreakfast]

So they're okay with libraries being shut down but they would be really angry if their Church got shut down

[@accreditedbythenicemaninth6495]

False equivalence.

[@beadymore]

​@@accreditedbythenicemaninth6495yeah it is a false equivalence, at libraries you can actually learn something useful.

[@TDC7594]

There's no constitutional protection for obscenity, though there is for religion.

[@JayPhonomancer]

​@@accreditedbythenicemaninth6495 true, libraries are far more useful than churches

[@SpaceTimeManipulatorSTM]

@@accreditedbythenicemaninth6495the church promotes sexuality though. Read the Bible. It’s all in there. Ban it.

[@Rachel-lo6if]

It's awful. Not to mention , a lot of books they like to ban are books that teach kids to recognize and report the abusive behavior of the book banners

[@readmachine18]

Methinks that's the point 🥲

[@Insert.Oregano]

It's definitely not an accident, sadly

[@WarbossFraka]

Most of these bannings come from religious zealots. That's a feature.

[@cajunguy6502]

Exactly. You think it's a coincidence they kept flippantly using "oh groomer" until the term lost all meaning and nobody takes victims seriously?

[@JennyShull]

They might be the same people that complain about family friendly shows that contain adult content.

[@RhoDesia-gr1wb]

Did the “ kids have to wait in the two teepees outside “ come out of nowhere to anyone else or just me

[@twelvepigeons]

It’s Idaho. Like honestly it didn’t even strike me as odd until someone pointed it out. I live in Indiana to be fair, so maybe I’m desensitized lol.

[@PajamaFeet]

I yelled 😂 like oh??? Librarians are so creative but talk about the funniest solution. I’m imagining a dozen kids just parked in there

[@Gilded_Cage_Princess]

​@PajamaFeet are they heated in winter months. If the library is a safe space there should be no restrictions. Also parents should not be allowed this power over public services. You can be as paranoid as you want but knowledge can only help your kid on today's world. You say they're too young, well they're too young to be assaulted and groomed . But seeing it represented helps them put words to the experience. Part of being groomed is excusing the abuse as acceptable, not hurtful, show the exception bevlcause its just how that love is expressed. Ignoring the fact that it's scary or uncomfortable and the list goes on. Kids need a support system that isn't just their parents, but trusted teachers or adults who can pick up the slackers and make these kids feel safe enough to ask questions. Regardless of the material that peaks their interest.

[@maemayhem08]

What tf are they supposed to do if the weather is shit outside.

[@RhoDesia-gr1wb]

@@maemayhem08 Native American training

[@danielblair5970]

Let's be clear: this was never about protecting anyone. This has always been about asserting control.

[@Bob-p2q9q]

Do you really want little boys getting hold of the poor man's james bond😂

[@57thorns]

Denying kid access to books is a very effective means of creating another heard of ignorant sheep. the kind of "stupid" Trump loves.

[@EvoluteCreator]

​@@Jay_in_Japan lmao I wouldve

[@PikkeWouter]

Looking at your profile pic I can see that you are suffering. Please seek help

[@Vileplume87]

Literally 1984. Wouldn't be surprised of they banned that one too! And Fahrenheit 451, can't have the kids learning about the importance of literature either!

[@biblesforbreakfast]

Banning libraries is a new low

[@BlueBean.0.9.]

The Camp Half Blood banner makes me very happy that it’s there but very sad that some of the books in the series can’t be accessed by kids because of Nico and Will 😢

[@AnonymousRedCat]

Remember, if something is at all objectionable to *one singular person*, nobody gets to read it! Freedom of press and speech!

[@Nico_Di_Angelo_Official]

Same

[@amethyst_cat9532]

Don't make me cry, Nico and Will were my first introduction to the existence of gay people and without them I wouldn't be the proud lesbian I am today

[@BlueBean.0.9.]

@ same here

[@crowxar]

They can read it when they're 18

[@SewardWriter]

This is a perfect illustration of government overstepping boundaries. Aren't the people behind this kind of thing allegedly in favour of SMALL government?

[@Zenith292]

Small government for me not for thee

[@summertime69]

When I was 17, my HS social studies teacher told me "everyone wants a bigger government. They just want it bigger in a way that benefits them. The people behind this want to make sure that there is no way to learn about being different.

[@crazyburkey3677]

Absolutely, AND child marriage

[@Pomagranite167]

I mean....the library is a public facility aka government owned.

[@tech9803]

Small "government" that provides services, but a big "state" that controls you.

[@deitay]

I was a kid with a phone, when I got curious, I didn’t go to the library. I read Wattpad and archive of our own if I wanted a book with spicy stuff. Kids are usually smarter than their parents and will figure out a way to get what they want

[@LilRyRyYT21]

yeah I honestly think the only places that those kinds of books don’t belong is in school libraries or “kids” sections of the library. Which in my country is the law and it works best in my opinion. They should not have public libraries suffer when in reality the books are much safer than the internet, and the more we encourage reading over googling the dark world of the internet, the better.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

That’s not even what that all was about. The school libraries had books in them coaching minors how to sexually pleasure adults, available also in a graphic novel version. The school boards wouldn’t let adults read the book at meetings but they had it in the schools. Those are the books this was aimed at, many were straight up child porn

[@spittyllamas]

@@Catherine.Dorian. what books were they

[@Bagofnowt]

​@@Catherine.Dorian. Name some of these books please, or you're talking shit.

[@kevinh2345]

Discord mods are doing the lion's share of EPI these days. Kids are clever, but disgusting perverted freaks are a tireless bunch that shouldn't get off scot-free

[@catrionabean]

Think of the children! Won't somebody please think of the children?!

[@namedrop721]

I got some baaaad news about the Bible and I had unrestricted access to that thing 😂

[@sharonthompson672]

Yeah, that thing's full of "who begat who" and "someone took my son's mandrake root!!!!!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@aazhie]

Oof. I read it cover to cover when I was 10!! I was pretty grossed out by all the murdering of babies and so much sex! Lot and his daughters is some filthy stuff

[@DreamsOfFire]

So many of us pointed that out that the n*zis made sure to make the Bible exempt from their own laws. 🙃 They said it's too "culturally relevant". I would argue John Green if much more culturally relevant than their ancient trash book that glorifies baby murder, r*pe, and slavery, but I guess I get no say.

[@wylde678]

Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

[@chiaralistica]

Right? Isn't there s*X, m*rder, inc*st and all matter of lurid tales in that book???

[@cdmc965]

My life as a child was awful. Reading was my sanity. At 73 I read everyday. There are excellent solutions in these comments please use them.

[@lucakrokrowinkel9576]

Have you considered that maybe your life as a kid was awful because you were reading so much?

[@theforestofoak]

​@@lucakrokrowinkel9576 you know nothing about their life. are you really suggesting that something like an abusive family is the result of this kid reading? and it's implied that the commenter started reading lots to escape their awful life, so whatever was the problem was happening before they became a bookworm

[@lucakrokrowinkel9576]

@@theforestofoak congrats You just wrote a paragraph no one read to refute a shitpost

[@theforestofoak]

@@lucakrokrowinkel9576 "noone read" bruh it's been 4 minutes, chill out and stop victim blaming random boomers on the internet

[@Jgauldie]

@@lucakrokrowinkel9576stop being a dick

[@tomanyfandoms1726]

Did you guys know that when kids are heavily restricted and controlled, it typically leads to them over indulging in everything once they’re an adult Healthy and smart adults come from children who are properly educated about the world and who are allowed to think for themselves Also little children can sometimes, explore themselves, how about instead of making kids feel terrible about experiencing natural things, we educate them and stop restricting their access to information that could be applicable to them

[@isatq2133]

Wow. You teaching them how? Creep

[@wonderfrog25]

see i believe we need to find that line of yes children can have and no children cant have and banning books is something that shouldn't happen.

[@Cx10110100]

So you believe that 6 year olds must be exposed to porn?

[@firegodessreiko]

​@@wonderfrog25 the 'restriction' of books depicting child pornography, how to properly give and receive oral sex and, how to 'rub it right to make it wet' is not a ban, first of all, and definitely not the 'yes' that children under 18 need. Sorry not sorry to be the one to have to explain this to you, propaganda aside, books with sex acts in them are NOT for kids. They aren't 'banned'. They're kept away from little eyes that don't need that garbage before they're ready. The early showing of pornography to minors to desensitize them to sex is basically step 1 in the grooming hand book for pedophiles to prey on your kids, in case you weren't aware. Nobody is trying to take learning away from your children and a full, sexual education worthy of the Hugh Hefner mansion is NOT what you should mean by a full education. Adult situations are meant for adults. Playing in Teepees is way more kid friendly than any amount of written porn.

[@Sleepyjoe1867]

@@Cx10110100u are an idiot, you think that a 14 year old should have a 6:00pm bedtime?

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

Yet another law that ends up harming the children it's supposed to protect. Imagine the questions they had after this happened, and the hard time the parents had trying to answer them.

[@prg66]

It’s not about protecting kids it’s about controlling speech and thought.

[@JustADiamondBlock]

Well I mean I guess kids aren’t supposed to be reading sex

[@linahrae]

and pushing their own personal beliefs on the rest of the country

[@linahrae]

@@JustADiamondBlockis the sex in the room with us? bc i only saw captain underpants and judy blume 🤣

[@angellight495]

@@JustADiamondBlockwe both know you haven’t read any of those books and don’t know if they contain sex or not.

[@JustADiamondBlock]

@ yes they do lol, it takes a quick search to see. It’s easy to know.

[@PajamaFeet]

And then Idaho schools and teachers are going to be blamed for dropping literacy rates 🙄

[@raquelfantoni2812]

Of course. What will be left for children to read when sexual content is off-limits without parental consent?

[@zeltzamer4010]

@@raquelfantoni2812 Clutching pearls over Captain Underpants.

[@darkhobo]

​@@raquelfantoni2812considering you think green eggs and ham is porno we have no idea We shouldn't let people who couldn't pass 7th grade tell teachers how to teach anyway. There goes the whole entire GOP.

[@FEV369]

Because they are... if not, then who?

[@butchmikey]

@@FEV369.... is this a real question.

[@beacreates4370]

I remember when I was in school and 50 shades of grey came out. Our school proceeded to ban it. Then we as kids put money together to buy it, and painted the cover so adults wouldn't know what we were reading. We each had a week to read it before we passed it on to someone else. Point is, kids will always find a way to read stuff that they "shouldn't be reading." Because we are all curious creatures.

[@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyato]

But kids really shouldn't be reading 50 Shades Of Grey. I agree that romance, and homosexuality shouldn't be banned, but I don't think kids should be reading books about BDSM. Clarification: NOT agreeing with the book bans that occur, but I think graphic (or non-graphic) novels that have BDSM, f3ll4t1o, or otherwise k1nky content should not be in schools's library. A library wouldn't put that stuff in the KIDS section, so the ban is useless anyways Edit: MEANT SHOULD NOT, NOT SHOULD

[@crimson90]

You poor kids subjecting yourselves to Twilight fanfic smut 😂

[@brianc2595]

​@@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyatobut that's the problem with laws like this. Beyond the fact they're just plain stupid, when you tell someone they can't do something, even those people who normally follow rules will be tempted to break said rule just to spite the rule makers. That fact is even more likely when the rule is ridiculous or when applied to children, especially rebellious teens. It's basic psychology. Making something illegal is the greatest promotional way to tell people it's fun and adds excitement to their lives in an ever increasingly hostile world. Greatest example is the prohibition, which proved that banning something causes way more problems than it solved yet law makers still do it then blame anybody but themselves.

[@aquari_2344]

Right and banning a book just makes people want to read it. theese ppl never heard of the streisand effect or sth

[@YouTubeIsActualAss]

​@@crimson90prime example of how banning shit completely doesn't work.

[@vexywexypoo]

"Mom, can you get this book for me?" "Why cant you?" "Its illegal."

[@FeloniousSavage]

Captain underpants was a staple of elementary School in the early 2000s that plus diary of a wimpy kid...

[@2TrueForYou]

No one is banning that 😂😂😂😂

[@LaSargenta]

​@@2TrueForYou Actually, there's been plenty of complaints about Captain Underpants on the basis of setting a bad example of behavior. Which is ridiculous.

[@owenwatkins9490]

Oh yes we are. That is a nakedness man. Coukd illicit gayness in our kids.

[@adeptusfantasticus]

​@@LaSargenta they literally only showed captain underpants so you'd assume this ass backwards logic, instead of blowjob 101 with rupaul

[@25JT34]

I could also see diary of a wimpy kid easily fitting the definition of that law so it would be banned. But then also most books do also fit the description of that law...

[@no7mac]

And that's how every dictionary was banned

[@pizzlerot2730]

Don't forget the Bible

[@trollerthegreattrollertheg6234]

And religious text

[@stevegoldstein3402]

It’s going after authors who try grooming children. No one wants to talk about that because they’re so heckin’ woke!

[@TotallySoulEater]

I fear sex Ed books would prolly fit here wouldn’t it

[@michaellowe3665]

Having parents verify what their kids are checking out isn't that unreasonable, but it could just as easily be done with a pre-waiver signed by parents. That way, parents who feel they might object to anything can just not sign the waiver.

[@CaosBoyCathian]

@@jacobsummers2664No?

[@Kirkieb]

@@jacobsummers2664 no. Cause with the way the law is. 90% of the book there would have to be cordoned off

[@benchoflemons398]

Couldn’t they just check what book they’re taking home?

[@SithLordDarthBane]

Better yet remove that material and host it on an online e-version

[@Aelvir114]

@@SithLordDarthBaneI’m pretty sure if they could do that the library wouldn’t be as small as it is

[@alanfoxman5291]

Years ago an elementary school near me had built a new library. The pricipal asked for donations while they awaited delivery of all books they ordered which was anticipated to take several weeks. I had literally hundreds of soft cover and hard cover books I'd collected over the years. Steven King. Issac Asimov. Robert Heinlein. And Douglas Adams. Lots of sci fi and horror. Knowing this was for an elementary school, I mentioned to the Principal that some of the books had adult themes. He said "If a child can read it, it's appropriate." He said there was no such thing as a book that was "too adult." If a kid was able to read the words and comprehend the story, then they should be allowed to read it. I loved that attitude since one of the first books I remember reading was The Andormeda Strain when I was only about 10 years old (after having seen the movie). My parents encouraged me to read whatever I wanted. I grew up to become a lawyer and all I do is read.

[@atrainradio929]

Based principle. Heaven forbid we let a kid use their minds and read. Nah, let’s keep em dumb and docile.

[@ZinniaDoesNothing]

“There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches.” -Ray Bradbury, author of Fahrenheit 451

[@N0m0red1ctat0rs]

Great book

[@hiimapenguin]

​@@N0m0red1ctat0rs yes, one becoming more fact than fiction by the day; it's not like it was based on the actions of one of the worst and most prevalent hate groups in the world or anything.

[@CarlosFinn]

Tf? Did you not listen to the categories?

[@ZinniaDoesNothing]

@@CarlosFinn Yes, I did. But why are we punishing everyone involved? If parents don’t want their kids reading about “tHE hOmOsExUaLs,” or even just basic SexEd, then that’s their decision to make. Not the government’s, not the library’s, not the school’s.

[@CHENEYMANIA]

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[@epicemmalee2000]

I wish concerned parents would just go with their kids to the library and be engaged with their kid and the books that they like. There are absolutely some books that children should not have access to, but the line of what is age appropriate is different for every kid. No library is the worst option.

[@darkwingduck3790]

I’m pretty red, but I hate the idea of censorship and book banning. When did parents stop being parents? You want to not let your kid read something “obscene” then do the work to check what they’re reading. Stop holding my kid back because you’re too lazy to be a parent.

[@DKennett2013]

I’m not that old and books about homosexuality, beastislitt and masterbation weren’t floating around our libraries. If you have a problem with a restrictive age then you might be part of the problem.

[@darkwingduck3790]

@@DKennett2013 There’s a difference between acknowledging that a person exist such as a banning the picture book biography of Billy Jean King because it says that she was gay and actual pornography. If you want to ban books that merely state that gay people exist, you might as well label yourself as homophobic. It’s the same as northern white people during the civil rights movement when they were really supportive when the movements were in the south but when they turned north became as violent as southern whites did. Also, as weird as furries are, it’s not bestiality. Parents should do the work and see what their kids are reading and police their children rather than be lazy and just get rid of everything anyways. These are public libraries. They aren’t there to cater to your sense of morality or mine. Also, I don’t care how old you are. Your age is irrelevant. Within a single lifetime, homosexuality has gone from being illegal to a legal right. Times change quick. You can’t keep pretending that gay people are going to suddenly go away if you just continue to push back and weather the storm. Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of humanity and will die when humanity dies. You can accept that or continue to live with your head buried in the sand. Don’t throw a fit with me because you don’t want to do some reading of your own to learn how to explain things to your kids.

[@hilkmeister1382]

This is parents being parents. They levied the legislator to ban softcore porn from sections of the library meant for young children. It is just any or malicious librarians, and school administrators refuse to reasonably enact the will of parents.

[@darkwingduck3790]

@@hilkmeister1382 parents can easily go to school librarians and give a list of books they do not want their children checking out. There’s a difference between “obscene” and pornography. Pornography exist for no other reason than the sexual pleasure of people. Fifty Shades of Grey is basically porn. However a book can be “obscene” without being porn. No one with half a brain would call Game of Thrones porn, but most would call it obscene. Few people are arguing that porn should be kept in libraries, but the restrictions of what is and is not too obscene for public libraries is getting tighter and tighter. Looking for Alaska is constantly being battled in high school libraries because of a scene that includes a blowjob and not a particularly graphic scene either. This comprises about a single page of a 300 hundred page book. Yet these same people do not attempt to remove the Bible from libraries despite the fact that there are scenes of incest, rape, murder, genocide, and slavery throughout.

[@jc0895]

@@hilkmeister1382except there was no “soft core porn” in those sections to begin with. Also if you don’t want your kids to read something then guess what tell them no, tell them you can’t read it. BE A PARENT!!! Actually parent your kids and stop trying to censor shit! You want to know who also censored books? The Nazis!

[@sarawedel5406]

I feel so disgusted by this.... PEOPLE... STOP!!! Quit restricting everyone's access to things just to avoid making the effort to properly guide your children and teaching them to think for themselves...... 😡

[@randomnerd1015]

I’m pretty sure the ban on anything homosexual isn’t just talking about the actual sex or sexual desire already covered by other points. They are really just sexualizing a community and using that to label it as not suitable for children. I’m also going to assume homosexual means any non heterosexual orientation. It’s really sad that this is happening because as a kid I really would have loved to see more asexual representation growing up. There are many types of attraction and affection but people focus a lot on sexual.

[@tacothedank]

Asexuality gets left out a lot sadly, even within the queer community. Y'all are valid, too!

[@LRM12o8]

That's the whole point, 100%. Everything else listed there is just a shield to justify keeping any information about non-heterosexual feelings from children. The point is not to protect children as there is neither a new threat to children, nor does this law anything to better protect them; The point is to erase us queer people from the public perception and to silence the expression of our experiences. Which will actually harm the children, the queer children who are struggling with their identity because it differs from the cis-heterosexual norm the've exclusively been taught about and thus expected to fit into, because they can no longer access the answers to the questions that torture them.

[@CorbiniteVids]

These people want to erase untouchable castes from public life. It makes us isolated and easier to abuse. Same strategies they use on their own kids

[@rileystewart3170]

I really feel like they are actually influenced by the fact that sexual is in the word homosexual. Defining a group by their sexuality makes them seem sex obsessed. They don’t have the same issue with heterosexuality because it’s assumed and not even talked about. They don’t identify as a community of heterosexuals.

[@duz_machines_8429]

Ayyy, a fellow ace!!!!🖤🩶🤍💜

[@DaveE99]

The worst part is the actual initial purpose isn’t even about protecting kids, it’s about authoritarian control

[@practicaliching2311]

No, it's about protecting kids. No one is trying to control anybody. They can go to the bookstore and buy anything they want. They just don't want Democrats trying to pervert children en masse. What's wrong with you that you don't want to protect society and culture?

[@ncrveteranranger4454]

@practicaliching2311 It's not, just like Conservatives Republicans don't care about women either. How can they "buy anything they want" here in this library if they're literally banning books on accord to what they see as wrong and sinful? Like tell me how banning a book with a gay person benefits society?

[@NoCluYT]

If you see the education levels of some voters, you'd see why they want kids to be just as uneducated as them. It's clearly working.

[@dembones9275]

about the 20th time ive seen this exact argument and i have not seen any evidence for it

[@practicaliching2311]

@@DaveE99 Actually, it is about protecting kids.

[@ToiletWolf12]

Remember kids, the first amendment only applies to whoever throws the biggest fit!

[@prometheus6835]

Oh and don't forget to vote kids!! In "toilet wolf's" world you can.

[@prometheus6835]

Also stop by your local 🔫 store to comply with the 2nd amendment. Your kids can even buy one.

[@prometheus6835]

Oh and stop by your local nuG store. You can even buy one for your kid so even he can follow in line with the second amendment.

[@prometheus6835]

Second amendment

[@brandonn6099]

The First Amendment really only need apply to adults, who are completely unaffected by this

[@biblesforbreakfast]

I bet if you threaten they close down a church these people would be thinking very differently.

[@stephen_dmg2003]

ah yes protect the children by forcing them to play outside of an already understaffed library where they will be exposed to the elements and forces of nature, as well as cars speeding by, random adults passing by, and children being children and hurting one another. makes perfect sense to make the library safe for kids by ensuring every child has their potential injuries dished out in the front lawn rather than where an adult can see them

[@lethfuil]

Now, sorry, but that's ridiculous. Ok, maybe that's a cultural thing, I'm not from the US, but a european country. Anyway: Kids being outside is...bad? O.o In this case they're even being supervised by the staff, they have tents with rugs and chairs and everything, so...they're not tossed to the elements without protection, lol. Also...cars speeding? This didn't look like it's right next to a highway, it's a regular, fenced in, front lawn in a small town. Are you really saying that those are dangerous places? People walking by... Seriously, Americans, get a hold of yourself! You can't and shouldn't lock kids away, or helicopter over them the entire time! That's insanely unhealthy! Btw: they're still supervised in those tents. I agree it might be less of a save space for bullied kids though. In our counties here, children, not teenagers, children, walk to school alone, use public transportation (to get to friends, sports, school since there's no extra school busses, etc) go to the playground and play there, unsupervised, it's not an issue. Of course here they can also go to every library, since our officials protect us from becoming a theocracy, but also because we have way less religious extremists. Seriously, I get that the US is a lot less save than other first world countries, but you sound like it's an active war zone.

[@Wikkalo]

@lethfuil 1. They weren't saying being outside was bad. I believe they were saying that allowing a large group of children to be outside unsupervised is unacceptable-- which I agree. Do I believe they were even properly supervised prior to this? No, but inside the smaller building, I feel they have a better chance of being supervised properly. In my opinion there's a difference between being outside where they could easily wander off, opposed to in a library, where there is one entry one exit ( excluding a fire exit which I don't think they have since they're so small ), ensuring constant visibility on whose leaving. Also, to watch for inappropriate behavior between children. 2. In regards to the elements, I agree to a degree. I'm not sure how hot Idaho gets, but I am from Texas, and I would rather my child be in a air conditioned building than being forced to stay outside, they don't even have the option to go inside to read. When they were inside the library was there a bathroom? My only two concerns. 3. Yes, people speed anywhere you go. You shouldn't assume that people aren't going to speed just because it isn't a highway. I live in a very small town, people speed like crazy, and sometimes it isn't even people who live there but are traveling through. It is fenced in but I'm not sure why that means something, the fence isn't locked, anyone can come in and come out including the children. I don't understand how you can say you UNDERSTAND that America is dangerous, but then still say that parents are being helicopter parents. Sex trafficking is a real thing here. Children get kidnapped all of the time. It isn't a rare thing here it is prevalent and can be even worse depending on the state, the location within the state, etc. I would never allow my child to go anywhere unsupervised. You don't have to be up under your child, but you are asking for someone to come and take your child when you allow them to go outside unsupervised. I don't understand why you're making ridiculous blanket statemts and using your experience to act like America is safer than it is considering you don't even live here, and you're basing your ideas off of where YOU live, in a whole different country. Look at our statistics. They don't give a damn about the children. It is about control, and for a long time now America has been trying to get rid of libraries as a whole, this is just them testing how close they can get to that.

[@Wikkalo]

And yes, I admit, I am judging you and your country. Humans have the capacity to be disgusting creatures-- the fact that you're leaving your children's safety to fate is wild. I believe that the youngest child that's in an after school program here in America is about 5 years old. You're allowing five year olds to walk around, unspervised? That's insane. Again, I'm not going to be up under my child, but I'll be damned if my child is going to be up and walking the streets without me.

[@hauntpsychic]

Yeah, but we're talking abt the type of adults who talk a big game about playing outside unsupervised and getting into dangerous situations because of it. These ppl probably think it's more important to have an unsupervised near death/kidnapping experience than to *gasp* learn that gay ppl exist. They'd probably some say some shit abt it being better than learning anything from a book

[@lethfuil]

@@Wikkalo Hm. Yeah, maybe I am underestimating how insanely dangerous the US actually is. I've been to countries with ongoing wars and countries that have crazy crime rates, countries too poor to properly feed their kids, but in most (not all!) of them children could still be outside and unsupervised, or a while. Without one would have to expect/fear that something would happen. Of course, sometimes something happens still, but that's true for everywhere, no matter how independent, or helicoptered, children are. Yes, I know about the statistics, but you'll always have to put details to that. Like: Where and when do most kidnappings happen? Do you really have to be as worried where you are, in comparison to a different place and time? Also, the statistics aren't exactly good, but they're not as bad as you seem to think they are? Regarding the "they could wander off, if not constantly supervised" part: Why? Usually kids just wandering off are very young children that can't even read anyway. Kids old enough to read are absolutely old enough to be taught that they can't just wander off. If your school child doesn't know that you've not taught them well. If they still do it, I just assume it's normal for them to know a bit of the area to not get lost easily, know their address and phone number and how to act if lost and how to be cautious if someone is approaching them, as well as how to react in a bad situation. The speeding... Yeah, might be THAT bad, I really couldn't find anything on how often a car speeds into a front yard vs how many front yard you guys have. But overall I think I can imagine that it happens more often than on average, since Americans are pretty well known for their little self control. Overall I'm still not sure if the US really is THAT insanely big of a complete hellhole and basically an active war zone with pedophiles at every corner, or if todays US Americans are just completely paranoid and are raising their kids with too little independence. What I DO know though is that the part with the not letting them be outside air-conditioned rooms in the heat is just like you might have lost the path somewhere. There's much hotter countries than Texas and there's people living there and they've done so for much longer than modern air-conditioning exists. Children are still playing/working (yes)/existing outside and always have. If that would be worryingly unsafe for your kids you have missed teaching them how to act in the climate they're living in (or you've spoiled them, thinking being slightly uncomfortable is an issue) as well as how it's not healthy to basically be only inside, or in a car. In heat: Don't exhaust yourself, slow down, stay in the shadow, stay hydrated, know the symptoms of a heat stroke and what to do in that situation. The last part is the most important and I fully, FULLY, agree with you! It's scary and crazy and where I really fear for you guys. But it's exactly what they're trying to do, getting rid of places where people (especially children) can learn and grow, to have everyone as a "good" little worker and consumer drone that doesn't ever question anything and can be abused at any time.

[@vvgirl6173]

As a kid, I didn't have the best reading ability. Mostly because I didn't like to read so I just sticked with the simple short ones with pictures. If I was in that library, I know for sure that I would've walked past all the adult books and headed straight towards any colourful kid friendly book. Because adult books are big, boring, has small letters and a lot of words I did not know or understand and I couldn't care less about what happens in them. But now, since I was 14, have been a big fan of reading but I get to choose what I want to read.

[@miapdx503]

This is madness. I began reading when I was four years old. I was a voracious reader. I was reading novels in the second grade. I loved authors like Daphne DeMaurier. I may have misspelled her last name, but anyhow, I was reading very adult content. It didn't harm me in any way whatsoever. I learned...I read so much, I became autodidactic. I'm in my 60s and I'm still learning. Learning is a way of life. To hamper children from learning, in any way, is so backwards it's ignorant. I've always asked my children and their friends, what are you reading? I always made books available to them. I encouraged them to read, knowing how crucial it is to the developing mind... By the way, on paper I have a ninth grade education. But I've taken college entrance exams and passed with the proverbial flying colors. I realized early in life that unless I pursued learning I would not have a chance. At fifteen my sadistic father threw me out into the street. I was getting big enough to fight him off. The library was my refuge. A quiet building full of books...heaven on earth. Our failed education system is pathetic. Giving young people access to books is critical. Don't let them rob kids of the only thing that might encourage them to learn. Sorry for the lengthy comment, but you really touched a nerve. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. 🌹

[@WhistleAndSnap]

Preach. Thank you for sharing your story. People like you need to keep speaking out about how important books and learning are.

[@LeBatteur]

The sad thing is that kids actually LOVE to learn- when that learning is done at their own pace. Books can be a huge source of inspiration and knowledge for a young mind that naturally seeks expansion, especially if they feel stifled by a rigid home or school environment. Books helped me find my wings as a child- I don’t understand why people want to clip their own children’s wings by denying them the freedom and pleasure of reading.

[@garrettstephens91]

Kids shouldn't have access to pornographic or homosexual content whether you turned out fine from it or not.

[@TheCatLady65]

By the same logic kids shouldn't have access to heterosexual content either then.

[@garrettstephens91]

@TheCatLady65 correct. Kids shouldn't have access to sexually explicit heterosexual content either. The ONLY knowledge that kids should have is that a relationship is a man an a woman. Because that's true and not sexually explicit.

[@biblesforbreakfast]

Yep and I'm willing to bet the people who passed this have never used the library in their life.

[@Insert.Oregano]

It's crazy that a non-sexual gay relationship, worded *exactly* the same as any other book could describe a man and his wife, is considered pornographic to conservatives. All because it's two men or two women in a relationship Stay safe out there, everyone

[@davidgreenwood6029]

Do you have an example? Seems like you're just making stuff up. Also, not everything is about 'thats pornographic' sometimes its just about age appropriate. Youd' be a crazy person to read your toddlers Lolita for instance.

[@MxBots]

@@davidgreenwood6029 the wording of the law is that any mention of homosexuality is inappropriate for minors. that would include a sentence such as "david and his husband" or "my friend has two dads"

[@jolteon345]

@@davidgreenwood6029 It's about "obscene" materials, and describing homosexuality is considered as "harmful to minors". If you had a kid, and their friend was adopted by a gay couple, but everything else appeared normal, would you be freaking out over it? Would you be freaking out if you were walking down the street with your kid and there was a gay couple holding hands, hugging, or kissing? Would you ban a cousin from bringing his/her same sex partner to a family gathering to "protect the kids"? These are the kinds of things that, while not inherently inappropriately sexual, get twisted into it by the people making the intentionally broad and vague laws. Using the overly broad definition of the law, a pair of lines like "Mary and Natasha kissed before Natasha got on the train to head to New York for a job interview. Mary then took the horse and carriage back to their cottage, getting ready to prepare their home for the blizzard coming in a couple of days." would be considered as inappropriate.

[@davidgreenwood6029]

@@jolteon345 No, its not just about that. Just cus you say its about one tiny little narrow thing so you can create a strawman thats easier to argue against, does not mean that is in fact, the only thing that this is about. This is why kamala lost, is because these kinds of dishonest debate tactics that have become endemic of the left, betray and actual inability to respect other people as individuals separate than you, as having opinions that disagree with yours, without being crazy, bigots, evil, or some such nonsense. When you behave like this, you discredit your whole point, and betray yourself as someone fundamentally lacking in maturity, empathy, and respect for others, despite what you preach. Everyone could see this about kamala, which is why she lost, and everyone can see it about this mass psychosis that has taken over the modern left, which is why classical liberals voted for trump in droves.

[@davidgreenwood6029]

@@MxBots OK, thats this specific law, not the wider nationwide debate. I can say I think this specific law is a bit drastic, but at the same time, I don't really see the problem. Its not like they're promoting anti gay hate books in place of this? The books can still be there, bought with taxpayer dollars, in a public library, just with the tiniest it ofadult interaction required to approve their kid reading them, instead of entirely outsourcing the raising of their child tot tthe state, in he marxist manner? This is not the sky falling.

[@perangoriginal9052]

Banning captain underpants is wild, it's just some potty humor lighten up

[@kelpermoon23]

They arent, she misled you and you ate the slop. Thats completely unrelated to this law.

[@perangoriginal9052]

@@kelpermoon23 Actually captain underpants is very commonly banned and i would not be surprised if it is part of this banning

[@kelpermoon23]

@@perangoriginal9052 Its not related to this law though, your lying, your using other unrelated bannings to try and say that its included in this one when we know its not. Telling the truth is important!

[@sofiabravo1994]

It’s stupid humor.

[@olmostgudinaf8100]

​@@sofiabravo1994 That might be so, but does your preference give you the right to dictate other people what to do?

[@wight626]

Ah yes, let's keep kids safe. By not letting them know their uncle is being extremely touchy. Nothing says protecting the young like ignorance.

[@CorbiniteVids]

And those books about escaping abuse get banned every single time this happens. "Pornography" is just the motte and bailey. Controlling kids and making them easier to isolate and abuse is the real goal

[@greenthumb8266]

They serve a god (in the bible) that they “made up” in man’s image, with all the trappings of man’s ego (jealousy, rage, rape, geno, pedo, favoritism.) and then claim they’re serving the Creator of the universe, which is Love.

[@Jay_in_Japan]

strawman

[@CorbiniteVids]

@Jay_in_Japan it's not though, child-friendly books about how to know your boundaries and what to do if they're violated, and how to talk to a trusted adult to get help, get banned every single time these bans go up. These books have saved several kids from being sa'd and they always always number among the books banned by y'all

[@greenthumb8266]

@@CorbiniteVids haters gonna hate, that commenter has no interest in real dialogue, they are merely trying to provoke anger. Best to ignore.

[@marjorieellison1606]

This is so crazy! The library should be open to all!!

[@leiaelkins5656]

"In no point in history has a society banned books, restricted access to education and knowledge, and been remembered as the good guys."

[@doom1894]

these books aren’t banned, you can still buy them and they can still be printed nitwit

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

Literally every society has done that. But please keep spouting fake quotes without attributing them to anyone. I'm sure it makes you feel smart and "anti-authoritarian" (lol).

[@leiaelkins5656]

It doesn't need to be attributed to a specific person, many people have said variations of the same sentiment. Given how often quotes get misattributed, it doesn't really matter to me anyway. The point is that banning books with controversial content is a slippery slope. Just because you don't want to read about a lesbian couple, or a biracial family, doesn't mean that others don't, or that those stories aren't important. When we ban those stories, we tell people fitting those descriptions that we do not care, and that we are okay censoring their very existence. It may seem ridiculous to many people, but these justifications have been used time and again in history. That is undeniable fact. I'm not going to argue further, if you feel okay ignoring things like this have fun with that.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

@leiaelkins5656 It does need to be attributed to a specific person if you're going to claim it is a quote.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

@leiaelkins5656 "if you feel okay ignoring things like this" lmfao of course you are such a low IQ dullard that you think I "don't want to see a lesbian couple or a biracial family." You are such a dim witted simpleton thay you think someone calling you out fir making up fake quotes means that person it a literal Nazi who wants to do another Holocaust. It shows that you don't care in the slightest about this issue and just want to pretend you are the hero of a dystopian fiction novel.

[@erebostd]

Kids get „protected“ from books while there are guns in schools. Yepp, sounds about right…

[@notchpoodles5864]

I️ hate the fact that you’re right. That’s just sad honestly

[@mightytaiger3000]

Yeah genius, guns are also not encouraged. They’re brought in without staff’s and parents’ knowledge.🤡

[@aisherwasher6959]

Two problems can be worked on at the same time

[@bvoyelr]

There are guns in schools? TF are you talking about? I don't think there are any public schools that aren't gun free zones. *PRIVATE* schools might have guns in them, but you never hear about it because no shootings ever occur in those.

[@a.v.2491]

@@aisherwasher6959Yet the “problem” that is being solved isn’t an actual problem; but the problem that’s actually a problem isn’t being solved.

[@Beanz-on-Toast]

Why tf is that the responsibility of the library? You don't want your kids reading something? Be a parent 🙄

[@imcannabess]

THANK YOU. It’s crazy how many people don’t understand this.

[@zigzag321go]

YES. Also, just because something isn't appropriate for your 7 year old doesn't mean that it isn't appropriate for all children, or even all 7 year olds.

[@chris2790]

Inappropriate material should not be accessible to children in a public library. It's not a difficult concept.

[@concernedliberal4453]

Because woke school librarians are putting obscene and racist propaganda literature in the children's sections.

[@Aelvir114]

@@chris2790That’s stupid. It’s a public library for all ages. By your logic all public libraries should not be allowed to have mature themed books.

[@TherealMialene]

And the same parents that spew the bullshit that makes this happen will give their kid a phone at 9

[@YammoYammamoto]

Their kids, their choice? They can put all kinds of restrictions and tracking on that phone.

[@YammoYammamoto]

@dailyinspiration5540 Back in the day - the worst one could get from the library was "Song of Solomon"... There was no straight up adult pr0n section in the school library... Not sure I'm the freak here.

[@awesomesauce8083]

Wait until those kids discover the internet.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

Yup. They'll be encountering far more obscene stuff, but largely without the same literary value.

[@Black_licorice_enjoyer]

"homosexuality" ah was waiting for that one, gotta love Idaho

[@TunaFish1701]

Amen brother!!

[@DKennett2013]

Then stay out. .. We won’t miss you

[@Black_licorice_enjoyer]

@@TunaFish1701 just to make sure you know I was sarcastic ( I love my state that bit is shitty)

[@fursegi]

Why are people so focused on this? Sexuality shouldn’t be discussed in kids books without an adult around to help explain it properly, it’s the same reason sexually explicit content is banned because it is harmful.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@fursegi Because the very act of being gay is seen as sexual to them. A man and a woman kissing? Just fine. A man and a man holding hands? Sexuality.

[@shoespeak]

Yeah, good. We need more of these laws.

[@ActuallyHoudini]

thinking kids will not find out about homosexuality is really hilarious when an eight year old can list off all the slurs and innuendoes he learnt through COD: MW like he's reading off the lord's prayer.

[@yehoshuas.6917]

I'm not sure that people who advocate to ban books are letting their 8 year olds play Call of Duty games online with adult strangers. Not that they wouldn't find out about gayness some other way, but not the best example imo.

[@TotallySoulEater]

Kids will be nonhetero somehow either way, they’re just making it so children don’t know there’s a label for it

[@forestfox1111]

The stupidity is palpable. Education is NOT the enemy. Idiocy is NOT cool.

[@singleproppilot]

Hey, if you’re a Republican and an idiot, you could run for political office. It’s all they have, including their Idiot-in-Chief.

[@MrM6d]

Tens of millions of Americans just disagreed with that view...let that sink in...Project2025 wants felony charges for Librarians. Dumber you are, the better they control you.

[@johnathon007]

Porn is not education. And that is what is being denied to children with this.

[@richarizard526]

Amen. Conservatives need yo keep people stupid so they aren't wiped out entirely.

[@WhatNoiseFishMakes]

are you a groomer? a 8 year should not know how to do a bj.. wtf

[@Uberspanker]

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A JUSTIFIED BOOK BAN. IF YOU HAVE EVER SUPPORTED THE BANNING OR RESTRICTION OF BOOKS IN ANY FORM THEN YOU ARE IN FACT THE PROBLEM.

[@LunaBlitz]

The only ban I support is against the 50 Shades of Grey series and that's not even for the content, just the terrible writing! 🤣😬

[@garrettstephens91]

So you're sayingt that children should have access to degeneracy?

[@Uberspanker]

'Degeneracy' is a purely subjective term. I refer you to my original comment. In the event there is something you don't want your kids to know, that is exclusively YOUR problem.

[@jamiewilson1532]

Parents need to teach their kids how to self-govern and make the right choices. You cannot always hold their hand, hover over them, or bubble wrap them. They will sometimes be alone without your supervision and if you taught them well, they will be fine.​@@garrettstephens91

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@Uberspanker Right. People so often use the word "degeneracy" to try to erase certain identities or block out totally normal aspects of life. Kids should most definitely read books about lots of different sorts of people--it makes them better world citizens, and it can help them understand their own identities.

[@citonita2207]

That's really too bad. Sexual material in books doesn't hurt children. Adults looking after children are the ones who most typically hurt them, the ones with most incentive to keep kids from learning about the world outside of them.

[@monad_tcp]

Imagine kids going to the library to find adult content when they probably already seen it on the internet.

[@nicandknacksandseans]

People who ban books notable for always being on the right side of history 🙄

[@cameronvanatti]

They aren't banned. They are being restricted from children. There's a massive difference there

[@chainlinkfence4963]

​@@cameronvanattinot really

[@candicorpse9670]

​@chainlinkfence4963 how is there no difference? This library is being dramatic on purpose. Why are liberals always trying to push sex on kids? Yall defending pedos.

[@heidi3963]

​@@cameronvanattichildren aren't being allowed into the library. They are being BANNED from accessing any books at all.

[@kajag1063]

​@@cameronvanattiThey are banned. Not to everyone, but they are still banned.

[@MilkShakE621-h4c]

When Homosexuality is in a book: 😡😡😡 When Heterosexuality is in a book:😀👍👍🥰

[@TokyoXtreme]

I believe heterosexual sex acts would also be considered inappropriate for minors - material like Penthouse Forum and the like.

[@calicust]

​@@TokyoXtremenope, all homosexual activity is banned. heteresexual is okay. kissing, holding hands

[@alexisthriving]

@@TokyoXtremethe problem is that it’s not homosexual sexual acts, just homosexuality in general

[@TokyoXtreme]

@ What is "homosexuality" if not sexual? It's their entire self-identification and reason for living.

[@MilkShakE621-h4c]

@@TokyoXtreme what is "Hetrosexuality" if not sexual? That's their entire identification and reason for living. It works both ways.

[@PalaeoJoe]

It is not for protecting kids, or anybody else

[@phillipwombacher9635]

These overprotected kids are going to grow up to be fragile and unable to deal with the real world

[@notcrazy6288]

Have to disagree. There are books marketed towards children which are literally pornographic now.

[@zeltzamer4010]

@@notcrazy6288Name one.

[@notcrazy6288]

@@zeltzamer4010 Gender Queer by Maia Kobabe. That one is in elementary schools

[@zeltzamer4010]

@@notcrazy6288 Haven’t found a single trace mentioning it in elementary schools. Every source says it’s marketed for teenagers as YA.

[@notcrazy6288]

@@zeltzamer4010 If you're actually interested, go to google and search: gender queer in "elementary" school libraries Everything past page 2 should be articles of Gender Queer in elementary schools and parents getting pissed about it.

[@alexanderstone9463]

To those people who are saying that this could only refer to sexual homosexual acts, you’re wrong. It’s so broad as to ban the mere acknowledgement of homosexuality. You remember that “gay penguin” book people freaked out about during the Bush administration? Yeah, children are banned from reading that under this law, even though there’s nothing remotely sexual in it.

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Good.

[@duz_machines_8429]

I had to do a project on a banned children's book for class (I did Ho'onani: Hula Warrior) and parents claimed it was "sexually explicit" and "age inappropriate" simply because the main character is a māhū (between boy and girl in Hawaiian culture).

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

@duz_machines_8429 That is inappropriate.

[@alexanderstone9463]

@@ElonMuskrat-my8jy Lmao that not even people on KZbin will upvote your comments. But speaking of which, can you justify either of your two comments here?

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

@@alexanderstone9463 Popularity does not determine what is right or wrong. That is the appeal to majority fallacy. Christ said it would be better to be thrown with a millstone around your neck into the depths of the sea than to cause children to stumble. Christ made us male and female. Those books are propaganda meant to corrupt children so they should be destroyed.

[@iamsiley]

"We're not anti-gay, we're just against sexual things being shown to minors" *bans homosexuality in books*

[@littlefishbigmountain]

It’s just 18+, so yeah just not for minors

[@iamonlyvelveteen]

i think they meant sex included in homosexuality, im sure just a lgbtq couple would be ok w no like sex or anything idk

[@rainbowwigglecactus6605]

​@@littlefishbigmountain queerness in any form isn't inherently sexual. Might as well ban any and all romantic relationships from being shown to minors

[@littlefishbigmountain]

@@rainbowwigglecactus6605 Seems like a strawman

[@iamsiley]

@@littlefishbigmountain then why aren't they banning heterosexuality?

[@beckquin47]

I'm not saying parents shouldn't keep track of what their kids are reading, but putting this much effort into making sure they can't access certain topics will just make them even more curious. My parents put a ton of work into blocking me from certain things, and were always so sure that they were doing a good job. They never realized I actually knew my way around electronics and the Internet more than they did. It was super easy.

[@magentawool2556]

Exactly. If children don't have access to mature, grounded content, how will they decide foe themselves who they are and what their views are? If you don't grow up with access to information from all sides of the story, you'll likely just have the same views as your parents.

[@papeetechild]

@@magentawool2556 All sides of the *sexual* story... cry me a river.

[@magentawool2556]

@papeetechild brother huh? I said mature content, not explicit content. Need a dictionary? Or are you trying to ban those too because they have the word "penis" in them?

[@woodykrska9947]

@@papeetechildthere are things banned other than sex. Like homosexuality for instance. Like, damn, apparently you grew up with a library that doesn’t allow kids, because your lack of reading comprehension is staggering.

[@kelpermoon23]

So giving porn to kids is good how?

[@joshuaneace6597]

Someone file a complaint of the library having the Bible and see how fast the rule changes…

[@sinclairreed5367]

The books are available, but have to be approved by parents. The Bible was banned out of schools in 1963. See any shortages of Bibles anywhere??

[@YouTubeIsActualAss]

​@@sinclairreed5367are you slow??

[@miapdx503]

I was raised by atheist parents. The only time I heard "God" or "Jesus" was when they were cussing. The first time I tried to read the Bible, I was both horrified and confused. It isn't a book. It's a collection of books. It isn't regular reading. I became a born again Christian and now I understand it. I've been studying it for years, and with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, it has revealed itself to me, through the years. Like a flower that just continues to open, and open, each petal revealing more petals. But without the Spirit within me, I could never understand it. Let me also clarify...I'm a,lifelong Democrat. I believe in a woman's right, all her rights. Abortion should not be a political football. Leave women alone! I also believe in the separation of church and state. Some of my favorite people in the world are Muslims, guys, atheists...I respect everyone's faith and beliefs. Jesus told us to love each other. To me that's so simple. Love. If you call yourself a Christian, love should be the answer, every time. Those who call themselves Christians and spout hatred, misogyny, racism...they need Jesus. And I have a feeling that they've never met. Who you please is who you serve. Their vile, hateful rhetoric is pleasing only to the devil...and their new god, an unregistered sex offender and convicted felon. Sad!

[@YouTubeIsActualAss]

@miapdx503 Lmao okay and?

[@joshuaneace6597]

@@miapdx503 I wasn’t critiquing the Bible but the “list that goes to the adult section” as some portions of the Bible describe horrific stuff (I am not saying that all of it was instructed by God) and some of it, well you may want to get your kids a children’s Bible instead.

[@enablechaos6344]

spolier alert: it's NEVER really about 'protecting the kids' .. not then, not now, and not for the foreseeable future :/

[@hellaSwankkyToo]

so no Bibles right? it is by far the most obscene material i read as a child.

[@themegjake4000]

It’s really sad to see libraries get caught up in this stuff. They are one of few free “third places” left for a lot of people. You can go read a book or type an essay and not have a bunch of ads or a subscription you have to pay for or your privacy invaded.

[@oliver_twistor]

I know a people who were only safe in the library, because their home situation was very unsafe for them (alcoholic parents, and unsavory characters milling about). When I see this kind of stuff, I think about them. What would they have done if not allowed in a library? Probably out in the streets, probably getting addicted to something and picked up by gangs. How is that protecting kids, I wonder.

[@nicksurfs1]

I think parents should be in charge of parenting their own kids instead of relying on the government to do it for them. This is ridiculous.

[@HSkraekelig]

That isn't the point. It's that some adults insist on "parenting" everyone else's children.

[@nicksurfs1]

@HSkraekelig Those people sound crazy, like someone parents should keep their children away from.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@HSkraekelig It's funny how those same parents who want to "protect kids" from "obscene" books also tend to be the ones who don't support making sure all kids in schools are fed. Book banners, are you sure you care about the kids?

[@ciarancooper394]

Its actually morally wrong to prevent kids from accessing books theyre interested in because they conflict with parents ideology

[@TaylorTheCreativeOkOkOkLaLaLa]

I kinda agree but also a kid shouldn’t read a book about sex if it isn’t educational (not including people 15 and up)

[@ciarancooper394]

@LILFREAKYGUY It depends on what your definition of "a book about sex" is. It also depends on the kids age, their knowledge, their level of comfort. Would you object to a teenage rape survivor reading a book that reflected their experience? Would you object to a young kid reading about two boy penguins raising an egg together? How about an 11-year old girl checking out a book where the main character has her first period? There are plenty of people who would consider the above books completely appropriate. And there are plenty who consider them all to be pornography. There should never be a law restricting what kids read for the same reason it's wrong to censor what adults read. Kids are people.

[@TaylorTheCreativeOkOkOkLaLaLa]

@ their is a difference between smut and a teaching book. I was talking about smut

[@cheeseballs3825]

@@ciarancooper394 should we let kids watch porn also?

[@krn2683]

​@@TaylorTheCreativeOkOkOkLaLaLawhy? You think kids under 15 don't know what sex is? I had my first sex ed class at ten. Kids are hitting puberty at that age, they're curious about sex. Reading sex scenes isn't going to lead to them having orgies for God's sake.

[@slightexag]

"my kid was so normal until he went to the library and read a book. that's when all his problems started." is a plotline that has never happened in this universe

[@angelic_cat_for_life]

Having homosexuality considered adult is so ludicrous. Like reading about being gay won’t make you gay, at best it makes them realize they were gay all alone

[@gem9535]

Anyone who sees being gay as immediately sexual are p3rverts. You know what their late night search history looks like. And to project those thoughts onto CHILDREN?? Someone check their laptops.

[@ObservationofLimits]

Homosexuality is wrong and against the laws of God and Nature.

[@YourAlcoholicUncle]

I'm convinced that every republican man is a self-hating, closeted homosexual desperately trying to prove to himself that he isn't gay

[@Whitecroc]

That part is clearly discriminatory and would likely be struck down back in... ah, who am I kidding, the SCOTUS would never have ruled that way at any point in recent history.

[@somedragonbastard]

Its like they think they can prevent us from existing by hiding the evidence. No, we'll still feel different from other kids, we just won't have the language and won't understand that other people are like us too

[@Athenas_daughter_that.warrior]

I mean at least one of the teepees have a Percy Jackson banner I call that good taste.

[@burbitto]

wym it got violence in it, restrict it to 13+ only.

[@Athenas_daughter_that.warrior]

@@burbitto what! I love Percy Jackson I read it when I was like 9

[@ThatPersonNamedJune]

Oh shit don't tell the redhats, that's a non-christian nationalist book, that'll be banned if they find out about it too 😢

[@Icedtea-k3f]

Times got tough, they had to reduce spending on cabins so they got teepees now

[@8butterfly81]

Percy Jackson has gay characters though, so it's banned from the kids section in places. Also they make out in the last book

[@whimsicalstray]

Imagine kids going to a library still only to have it taken from them by the state government. Tuns out, you don't have to. Welcome to Idaho.

[@lisa_vxng]

Last time this happened and books were banned it didnt end well, sincerely, a German

[@whitecandaceowens]

Dude. You were not alive then. Also it’s banking sexual content for kids. So you just want kids to be reading sexually explicit content? Pretty creepy.

[@lisa_vxng]

@whitecandaceowens no but we get taught or history fully! That and your reading/listening comprehension seems to be abysmal cos thats not what they're banning here but good try!

[@whitecandaceowens]

@@lisa_vxng there is clearly a language barrier here. No point in discussing this further.

[@lisa_vxng]

@@whitecandaceowens 😂😂

[@whitecandaceowens]

@ Only liberals would be outraged by a law trying to prevent kids from reading sexual content. The solution is easy. Just remove the content. Adults can buy their own books.

[@odin3141]

What a stupid and immature law

[@mikem9892]

Yea I mean who are the great minds that come up with these stupid laws ? Government run amok just like with Peanut the squirrel.

[@CoasterMan13Official]

Information should be freely accessible to people of all ages. That law is a disgrace to the entire country.

[@Undomaranel]

NO IT SHOULD NOT. I was an avid reader, who delved into original source Greco-Roman, Egyptian, etc. mythology. Some of those stories REALLY messed me up, and that was with my parents talking me through some of it. Didn't help that I survived CSA from them, especially around that same "welcome to double digits" age, and all those stories justified the abuse I was enduring. It was just natural, and how many people had gone through it just like me... Kids should not be exposed to such material. Minds are not mature enough to understand it or make rational sense of anything regarding relationships and sex. And parents? Most of them these days are just as bad, if not worse, than mine were. The fewer chances given to then to turn their kids into statistics the better.

[@OwlPossum]

It’s not about protecting anyone, it’s about keeping people ignorant and making sure they can’t hear any other voices.

[@Crafty_Restorations]

@@OwlPossum exactly!

[@lokibarnafus]

The restricted books could have been removed from the library 🤔 but no no just no kids smh yall bless your hearts

[@whitecandaceowens]

Such an unforced error

[@jgames98]

The library was my escape as a kid and teen. I got away from horrible kids in school and even time away from family. Everyone needs a break, and not everything needs to be banned or heavily censored.

[@mh56487]

Because famously, no under 18 person has ever been interested in reading about sex. Like come the fuck on. Young adult books aimed at teens have sexual themes at times. It's OK. A 17 year old should know what sex is and it's insane to keep that away from them. Homosexuality being banned is messed up too. Plenty of media has gay characters without it being just literal smut. Lgbt media is so important for people to figure out their identi- ah that's why it's banned.

[@Otome_chan311]

So you support lowering the age of consent?

[@laampards]

​@@Otome_chan311wisdom is chasing you, but you are faster. gain critical thinking skills

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@Otome_chan311 This is the most blatant use of a straw man argument I've seen in a long time. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you really do see the distinction between OP's reasonable comment and the pretend interpretation you gave.

[@llynxfyremusic]

​​@@zoyadulzura7490there are so many comments like this in replies. "I think kids should have access to educational information about their bodies, including genitalia" "So you want 6 year olds to have access to porn?" Literally the pancake waffle tweet. A lot of people seem to have been told one narrative about the people they're opposed to so they can't engage with liberals outside of the framework set for them by pundits

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@llynxfyremusic Information about the body does not equal p*rn. Not how that works. Six-year-olds do not know how to find books like that on their own anyway, hahahaha. This is all about suppression of information and has a direct impact on education and freedom of speech. Harming libraries, and taking away access to them, is not the answer.

[@calvinb2965]

So no bibles allowed in libraries

[@sofiabravo1994]

God doesn’t justify perversion He shows why it’s wrong. Nice try.

[@Otome_chan311]

Bibles already have their own section...

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@Otome_chan311 And anyone can get to them. Why are those not restricted, when they're quite obscene?

[@adambisogno]

Breaking my heart here. It’s books. They’re books.

[@sofiabravo1994]

They contain information that influence people bad or good they’re not just decorative things.

[@EpixNirvana_Fan101]

Ignore this Sofia person they genuinely believe that Gay ppl don't exist and even though there are hundreds of gay animals in planet Earth rn...an insane bible thumper

[@matrixiekitty2127]

This fills me with bubbling rage omg

[@theeviloverlord7320]

Its funny how many "libertarians" are supportive of book bans Half the people in this comments section are just alt right who identify as libertarians because they think is sounds cool

[@stick80]

Every library I have ever been in has a kids section, and kids can only rent from that section unless over a certain age. This is good enough for me.

[@PokeMageTech]

*borrow Renting always entails payment.

[@stick80]

@PokeMageTech My local library "rented" out movies for a library membership fee. If they were late, the fees were worse than Blockbuster.

[@ashlynnheller8400]

I think what there saying is this library is just to small to have a dedicated kids section

[@xanderb2377]

Did you watch the video? The building is too small to have a dedicated children's section, that's the problem

[@dragonshadow4145]

@@xanderb2377 tbh, I don’t buy that. They could even just do a kid shelf, or kid bookcase. But I completely understand them not wanting to deal with all that, it would make the sorting much more difficult and put unreasonable responsibility on the employees

[@sumbody694]

This is pathetic and sad. Reading was one of the most important things in my life growing up and you want to limit what children are reading to such a ridiculous degree and discourage them from reading all together. I hate where this country is going and things like this just make it worse.

[@KDeanie]

Everyone in the comments who is upset by this: Contact your local, state, and federal representatives NOW! Do not let this spread. There is legislation in SEVERAL states right now to do more of this and it WILL be introduced at the federal level in the next congress, it’s part of Project 2025. We can only stop it if we speak out!

[@joechill6327]

Don't let little Timmy read Captain Underpants, those are for adults.

[@apollofell3925]

Look how fast we went from "I don't want my kids reading that in school" to "I don't want your kids to read that."

[@charleshulsey3103]

Couldn't you sue churches for pushing the sexual content of the Bible?

[@Otome_chan311]

People keep trying to use this as a gotcha and it's clear they're horribly ignorant. Churches don't push sexual content, and the Bible is already banned from schools and has its own section in the library...

[@hellepost1439]

@@Otome_chan311🎬Jack Schaap Polishing The Shaft Sermon 📣

[@EpixNirvana_Fan101]

​@@Otome_chan311It isn't a straw man. There is sexual content in the Bible. It fact I believe there's 🍇 in there too! Read your own fucking book.

[@dembones9275]

@@hellepost1439 the fuck are you talking about

[@halo21a1]

It's not about protecting children, it's about denying them information

[@dembones9275]

information on what? this law is about explicit material

[@Crafty_Restorations]

@@dembones9275 Banning books with gay parents is fundamentally harmful and discriminatory. Families come in all forms, and representation in literature is essential for children to see their experiences, or the experiences of others, reflected. When you ban books with LGBTQ+ themes, you send a message to children that these families are “wrong” or “inappropriate,” fostering ignorance, intolerance, and shame. Moreover, if books that mention straight parents are not considered sexual, then the same standard should apply to books featuring gay parents. Acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ+ families is not inherently about sexuality-it’s about recognizing the diversity of human relationships and experiences. The double standard arises from prejudice, not any legitimate concern for children. Importantly, this is not “grooming.” Teaching children that LGBTQ+ people and families exist is not an effort to influence their sexuality or push an agenda, it’s about educating them on the world as it is. Grooming involves manipulation or exploitation, neither of which is present in books about gay parents. These books simply reflect reality and help children develop empathy and understanding for people who may be different from them. By labeling such representation as “grooming,” critics distort the term in ways that harm genuine efforts to protect children and stigmatize entire groups of people unfairly. Teachers and librarians, many of whom hold advanced degrees and specialize in child development, literature, and education, curate books thoughtfully to reflect a wide range of perspectives. The efforts to remove books that include LGBTQ+ families or themes disregard their expertise, while imposing narrow, exclusionary views on a diverse society. These bans harm not only LGBTQ+ children and families but also deny all students the opportunity to learn empathy and acceptance. Censorship never solves the root of discomfort; education and understanding do. By allowing children to encounter diverse experiences through literature, we help foster critical thinking, emotional growth, and a more inclusive future. Banning books about gay parents is an injustice to both the LGBTQ+ community and the principles of equity and freedom that should guide education.

[@dembones9275]

@@Crafty_Restorations that's a lot of yaping for very little actual substance or originality

[@Crafty_Restorations]

@@dembones9275 good comment!! It’s almost like you didn’t read my comment at all ☺️ I’d really suggest you take some time to read it. Also make a comment that has some sort of rebuttal that talks about anything I said. It’s really easy to know when someone is uneducated when the can’t make a counterargument and say nonsense. It’s okay to have a low iq but for your sake, I wouldn’t go around showing it.

[@dontbesylly]

If you're the kind of parent who complains about library books, just know your children will start sneaking around behind your back reading things you don't like and there's nothing you can do about it

[@phinicebear6781]

Equating homosexuality with “mature topics” is one of the old forms of discrimination against queer people. If you wouldn’t call a man a woman kissing, like in for example sleeping beauty or literally most narratives with heterosexual romances, then you have no reason to call homosexual romances “sexual or mature” content unless your goal is explicitly to criminalize homosexuality

[@Otome_chan311]

I'm homosexual. It's 100% an adult topic that kids shouldn't be exposed to.

[@speedy01247]

We can agree to keep sexual things out of kids hands, but specifying homosexuality separately is telling.

[@oliver_twistor]

Even if we talk about sexuality in general, it's a fine line to draw. What sexual conduct is too much for a library? A man and a woman kissing? A woman being pregnant? Going on a date? Anatomical photos made for educational purposes? Safe sex practices? Memoirs from people who were abused as children? I think it's very important for kids to be able to read and talk and write themselves about sexuality, because kids are sexual too. And more importantly, too many kids are subjected to abuse from adults. It's important to give kids a language in which to express their experiences, feelings and questions, so if anything is amiss, people around them can help them. With that said, of course a nine year old kid shouldn't be exposed to hardcore porn, but what general purpose library give kids (or people in general) access to that? None that I've heard about. Well, I borrowed Justine by Marquis de Sade from a library once. But I'm certain the librarian wouldn't have let me do that if I weren't an adult.

[@Crafty_Restorations]

@@speedy01247 exactly. Being gay isn’t a bad thing and it’s the same as being straight. Neither are bad

[@r.c.3263]

Same kids, prob sitting on tix tox all day being safe in their viewing

[@lisanunlist9510]

Book-banning Idaho has only “trafficking” law: ILLEGAL to transport pregnant 13-yr-old incest victim over state lines! Didn’t used to be this way!

[@blueeyedbatman]

The idea that people are so dense they would complain about something like that is insane... We should be ENCOURAGING kids to go to libraries, get outside, and be kids! Would we not rather they read for fun instead of being online with endless dangers and next to no way to stop them from seeing things WAY worse than anything in these books??

[@Arbidarb]

Sounds like they should build a kids section for that library then

[@wintermelon7444]

​@@Arbidarbwith what money. Republicans thrive off the uneducated so why would they put more money into public education?

[@dragonshadow4145]

@@Arbidarb unfortunately a bunch of those kids books would now be considered adult books because they mention gay penguins or something

[@Arbidarb]

@dragonshadow4145 Penguins probably shouldn't be sucking D in a kids book honestly...

[@yehoshuas.6917]

@@Arbidarb I agree. Most well-funded, sizable libraries have separate sections for young children, teens, and adults for a reason. Unfortunately not every library has that ability, so having to choose from a place without sections vs no place at all for kids, I'd prefer they chose to allow kids in.