Red Alert Lore - Chronology & Canon Explained (Merging Allied & Soviet Campaigns into one Timeline)

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I am super pleased with how this video came out, not to mention proud. I know it's nothing special by the standards of some other great lore channels on KZbin, C&C and otherwise, but for me I can honestly say this is the best thing I've made in 2.5 years on KZbin. I really hope you guys enjoy it. I'd love to hear your feedback on the sound levels, specifically if the music is too loud. When I was doing my initial mix I had my headphones on and turned things down a bit. When I listened to it back on my monitor it felt like the music was too quiet, so I boosted the levels a bit. Since I'm a sucker for the OST, I thought it was better to ere on the side of too loud as opposed to too quiet. Let me know how you listen and what you thought.

[@zedlinks4702]

I quite agree with you, in fact, that the combination of the early part of the Soviet campaign with the allied campaign was even mentioned by WW in his early interviews: www.cncworld.org/wwr/games/redalert/articles/stratplus/page2.html "The missions for the Allies will be linked intrinsically to those for the Soviets, so when you're playing one side you may hear news about something happening to the other. If you eventually play the opposite side, you will then be creating its history, and hearing stories about things from the other side you may have remembered from previous games." We can assume that what is shown on the map is within the Allied/Soviet timeline, but this does not affect the specific events, which occurred in a unified manner in the early days. Over the past few months, I've replayed all of the missions in the expansion and found that they can be put together in Retaliation arrangement, First of all, CS's tagline is "Some Missions "they" won't talk about", which means that we can make limited omissions to the map, even if the mission is in enemy territory. I placed the Ukraine missions of the Ret near A5, the original Ret had a bug - these missions were placed in Romania on the map. But we can go along with it, because this point in time met all the conditions: The control of the Allied is close to Romania, and the Soviet has just discovered the existence of Chrono technology. Paradox Equation is acceptable, because Chrono itself is in a damaged state, and a damaged device may not be of value. Legacy of Tesla is also acceptable. Although the MiG has not been equipped at that time, the mission itself has mentioned that this is a prototype. The bomb dropped by MiG can be explained by Air Fuel Bomb in Nuclear Escalation. Mousetrap can be a compromise. The cover of the CS package mentioned that the Allied Press Liaison Ferdinand Santant denied that Stavros was assassinated. we can think that the assassination itself existed, but it actually failed. The Greek mission of the Allied and the Austrian mission of the Soviet followed closely. Ret manual mentioned that Carville is under the direct command of the UN Security Council, so he apparently arrived after the Allies asked the UN for help.There is nothing special about the Austrian mission, except that the goods transported in Top O'The World may be components of the iron curtain. The Soviet French campaign took place around A8. Since the Soviet Union’s offensive was blocked and unable to move forward, their primary goal was to maintain the front, and their attitude towards the enemy’s technology gradually shifted from capturing to destroying. This is why the mission objectives in Testing Grounds and Don't Drink the Water is to destroy all enemies instead of capturing related technologies. Next is the Spanish mission. Here we need to discuss in sections. Situation Critical and Deus Ex Machina can be determined to occur in Spain, because Situation Critical mentioned that the radical faction "threatening to use it on Allied emplacements". This action was more to prevent the devastating effects of weapons in Europe, and the subsequent capture of Volkov behind enemy lines made sense. Grunyev Revolution, Brothers in Arms and Shock Therapy did not happen in Spain-they happened in the Soviet Union. These missions were at the same time as A9. Due to the gradual failure of the front line, Stalin began to become paranoid and furious. Combined with the advantages of the Allied forces, rebellions and collaborators in some areas began to be common, and Kosygin also fled at this time. Siberian mission apparently took place during A11-A13, because Moscow can only be captured once. The Allied missions in Italy and Poland took place after the mainstory. Due to the plot of Ret, player is constantly promoted, and the battles in these two regions can only be unlocked after the missions of Siberia is completed.During this period, the Allied forces were no longer facing the organized Soviet army, but the remnants of the various regions. Stalin died in Moscow, Gradenko was executed, Kukov might be killed by Stalin because he could not get Chrono, and Topolov retired before the end of the war. At this time, the Soviet Union may not have a unified command organization.

[@TheIzroda]

Just started Counterstrike for the first time and was wondering where it fits chronologically with RA1. Found your video for Counterstrike and Aftermath, but decided to start with this one first. Great video!

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@zedlinks4702Certianly early missions are canon to both Campaigns (similar to C&C) Both campaigns begin in 1946 and Stalin dies on the same day as he did in real history in both campaigns Allied victory leads to the expansions (the considerably bloody post-war occupation of Soviet Territory, the last of which is the Ant Mission, fighting as the newly-minted GDI) and thence to C&C, with the GDI victory thence flowing into Tiberian Sun The Soviet victory timeline flows onto RA2 etc (I'm pretty sure, I haven't played any of those). And the names 'World War II' and 'the Second World War' aren't used in this timeline, it's 'The Second Great War'

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@TheIzrodaThey're post-war, in Soviet Territory occupied by the Allies.

[@NoStringsPrd]

Quality chronology summation, cheers!

[@kasrkin100]

me after watching your version of C&C4: your forgot about incursion plot like yuri is Kane creation, or renegade 2 connection to tiberium timeline. You: *pretend never see the yuri as kane creation* Also me and with my friends showing you his video: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnapeWSHrKmqjrc You: *yet again never pay attention* Me: see that you made good video but never paid attention to detail about incursion plot line, what made C&C is C&C is because the time-travel so yes that is con, i still respect you but you still can't see the detail.

[@NoStringsPrd]

@@kasrkin100 I get the feeling I'm being dragged into a conversation mid-way through. "yet again never pay attention" but this thread has only just started? I don't "forget", "pretend" not to see or "never pay attention" to the posited possible stories of WW's C&C3 Incursion or Ren 2. They never happened. The games were never made, the stories were never finalised, what we have are Isgreen's recollection of ideas that were being posited at WW at the time, and these things are in complete flux throughout development, particularly pre-production. We see this in how the TS story bible differs from the story TS launched with, and how that story bible was just one of apparently several that WW had written in pre-prod. Incursion and Ren 2 are non-canon. Please don't insert your own assumptions about my intent to try and paint me as being dishonest when the fact of the matter is the games you're talking about were never made and present nothing worth considering. The very minimum I can expect from a game before I can consider it canon is for it to exist. Just went and searched your username on my channel to see why you're acting like this is an on-going conversation, 95% of your comments are just jumping in talking about the cancelled games even if it's not relevant, such as "laugh in Tiberium Incursion & C&C tiberium (FPSgame)" on the CABAL video, which isn't a cogent thought. Same with right now, come to think of it. This video isn't relevant to the cancelled games, nor was the comment your responded to, you just saw my name and jumped. In a diatribe from 5 months ago you called me a hypocrite and asserted I "hate EA" (which I don't) followed by; "also the reason i call you hypocrit because you always look down people like me and other that knew well that the plot of tiberian incursion has Canon before EA cancel for "sake" of their money, look i knew more and both me and XYHC totally agreed that tiberian incursion has Canon but is no mean stop me to understand that EA has create by side effect from chronosphere anomaly" You kind of lost your train of thought there at the end, which was why in the last response I gave you I said "If you're going to make accusations against my character you're going to make yourself clear please", but again you're pretending to read my mind which you evidently can't. Looking back over previous comments we've been all over this before, I've explained all this to you but you keep coming back with the exact same bald-faced assertion that the non-extant games are for some reason deserving of attention and canonicity status when all we have are fragments of concepts that in all likelihood wouldn't have even made it to the final game had the game _not_ been cancelled. If you like the concepts, cool! Go for it! But I have zero reason to take it seriously. And since all this was explained to you 5 months ago and yet your story has not changed and you haven't rebutted my points from back then, _please think carefully_ before you accuse me of pretending not to ignore things and to not pay attention. And then if you do anyway, ask yourself what a hypocrite even is.

[@kasrkin100]

Ah my bad I mean come on can you just little bit understand to what Westwood devs are want to be in the first place, hell in both firestrom GDI ending and red alert 2 yuri revenge Allied ending we got clear hits that incursion do indeed canon is made a sense until EA pull the plug to shut down Westwood and made matter worst EA give us a shitty sequel call EA version of C&C4 this sequel start piss me off it's also a beginning why you see me talking like this. Anyway, everyone can made mistake not just me or you. Oh speak of the mistake, thanks for answers look mistake happened and not everyone is build perfectly, if you can forgive me I just having mental scar during first time on Internet I mean come on first I get bully and second get troll everywhere I go. Fun Fact: during the time westwood intended to expand the tiberium wildlife in C&C 3 the incursion, but sadly it didn't so I just found the mod that suitable to me call tiberian Odyssey because well to finish what Westwood started. P.S. sorry for long respond I just having fun create my own theory best from you and guy idea trying to recreate My own version C&C4 based on the incursion and renegade 2 as connection to tiberium Universe.

[@blackops9operation75]

@@kasrkin100 I think No Strings Prd still keep the EA C&C Timeline rather than Westwood I guess.

[@kasrkin100]

@@blackops9operation75 I agree, anyway why most C&C fans always forgotten Renegade 2 plot that interconnection toward Tiberian Dawn is already explain in Red Alert 1.

[@dhanu_4539]

leaving a comment for the algorithm. keep up the good work

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Ovog95]

You did convince me that these campaigns were linked after I read your analysis. Making a similar video for the Tiberium Dawn analysis would be great, especially since the technology angle makes it even more interesting there.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, I probably will get around to it. There's more to discuss in linking the Tiberian campaigns, as you say.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Same is probably true with RA2 at times

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Big thank you to CCHyper for sharing some high-res art assets for the games with me. You'll see these pop up in videos from now on.

[@Reiga_Rosenkreuz]

Saw this on reddit, you've done a pretty damned awesome job.

[@schiz5674]

I remember 1st getting into Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn when I bought the game from my local Blockbuster Video for my Sega Saturn (my 486 33mhz desktop PC fell just short of minimum requirements 😂). I fell in love with the series straight away, being engrossed in its FMV-led story, its riveting gameplay (made 10x better by the classic audio) and it's unique selling point of letting you play (and win) as both the goody goody heroes and/or the deliciously evil bad guys (with Kane becoming an instant immortal C&C sensation with his unrivalled charisma, intelligence and shiny bald head 😆). I own and have 'conquered' every main entry to the series and still strive to learn more and improve. Most importantly, without blowing your trumpet too much, I can safely say you are one of the most dedicated fans to the series I have ever seen with all your videos paying homage to the Great Grandfather of RTS games. You've definitely earned another Sub and lots of video likes. Please continue the phenomenal work as you clearly put the time, effort and energy into it. It's a true God given blessing to, like Einstein, go back in time and relive the glory days. Respect to you. CHIZ

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks man. I really appreciate the comment, that means a lot to me. Glad you're enjoying the videos.

[@schiz5674]

@@SvenVanDerPlank No worries mate - you've more than earned the praise. I hope Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 get a similar HD makeover, despite feeling like nearly completely different games in terms of tone.

[@Sputnik-bc7vm]

I’m thoroughly enjoying that you have made this into a video format. I like your articles but this is easier to approach and I am looking forward to watching the one about the expansions. Plus the story order for the Tiberium games in a video format also is something that sounds fun to watch. Looking forward to seeing those videos if you decide to make them.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, I'm glad you found it enjoyable. I wanted to put them into video form so they were easier to share and hopefully more people would get to see it.

[@Antidragon-nl7by]

Another crossover you didn't mention; the defecting Soviet in the Allied Campaign (Kosygin) Mentions that "a great purge" is tearing through the Kremlin. It could be the same purge Stalin initiated in the scene where he gets Cherdenko drunk (a freshly promoted Kukov smugly mentions in the next cutscene that "advancement in the Soviet Ranks can be swift").

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

That's a good observation, I had never connected that statement with the Soviet campaign before.

[@angelofdarkness128]

The quality and depth of your videos is just amazing! As an avid C&C universe fan, please keep making these!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Really glad you're enjoying them. I have a fair few more ideas which I'm hoping to put out over the next month.

[@IctivGoka]

Very nicely done! Looking forward to the Counterstrike/Aftermath video!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, hoping to get it up at some point in the next week.

[@Latziks]

Wow! What an amazing video! I've begun playing Red Alert 1 and was immediately captivated by it. I've typically stuck to the Tiberium universe, but the gameplay and your fantastic lore videos have really piqued my interest in the Red Alert story. Thanks a lot for creating this video, I'll share it with my C&C buddies! :))

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

No problem, glad you found the video interesting. If you haven't seen it already, there was a follow-on part that deals with the expansion campaigns Counterstrike and Aftermath.

[@blackhand1193]

This is one of a superb lore video I could find. Thanks for making this wonder! Looking forward to expansion and tiberium lore videos!

[@blackhand1193]

Oh wait expansion one already exists. How could I miss it?

[@imkillable3429]

Cant wait to see where the expansions fit in with the two campaigns. Also i liked how all superweapons in this game didn't exist at the start but was developed troughout the story.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Yeah, I was quite surprised how the rumours about each all started up around the same time. As for the expansions, I've already got the script recorded so just need to make the video. Hopefully get it out in the next week. There's been some significant changes to the old chronology I shared but I'm pleased with the revisions I've made.

[@Taki_4869]

Loved it, your channel definitly deserves more attention :D

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, it's been good to get some new viewers this past month.

[@blackops9operation75]

4:17 WARNING!!! Time Machine can give you side effect and memory lost.

[@HighCommand1]

the Quality on this video is really amazing

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, I appreciate the comment.

[@blackops9operation75]

13:38 Like what Stalin said to his Soviet Commander, "If you failed, do not return!"

[@CnCDune]

9:54 GDI reference; coincidence or not... who knows? Including Kukov's bit at 10:45 was genius.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I think the general consensus is that it's a precursor to the formation of GDI. And I was really pleased with how the video came together and with the way I edited the clips, because it's not something I'm particularly good or experienced at.

[@CnCDune]

@@SvenVanDerPlank Practice makes perfect :)

[@thekaiser3815]

Considering that time travel is a major aspect of the story, both campaigns can work.

[@jamesperkins191]

Allied Victory becomes Command & Conquer Soviet Victory becomes RA2 (I'm pretty sure) All the Red Alert expansions are in the postwar occupation of Soviet territory following the Allied victory

[@Damocles178]

It certainly does make a lot of sense that the campaigns do mirror each other till a certain point. One just has to imagine what happens if they fail certain missions on either side. Interesting point about how Tanya might have been captured. I always just thought in Soviet Mission 7 welp she's dead *again* given how often she appeared in expansion missions but it makes much more sense that she was possibly injured and taken away for interrogation especially when the location she infiltrated is fairly close to where her rescue takes place in the 5th Allied Mission (Tanyas Tale)

[@Zaptagious]

I live for C&C lore haha. This does puts things in a new perspective... For example, I never considered Tanya could have survived in the Soviet campaign as she was seemingly burned to a crisp by the flametowers in Core of the Matter. I suppose a case could be made she survived, even if she came out remarkably unscathed :) Maybe she's got some of them Kane genes...

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Yeah, I didn't really delve into as much in the video as I did in the original Reddit post I made. The idea was that at other points in the series (not just RA1) we see characters killed in gameplay and then they're either killed in the cutscenes after or captured. I guess it falls into the whole "gameplay is an abstraction" category, like riflemen taking multiple tank shells before they die.

[@ColdHighway7]

Fantastic work sir

[@TriNity-GER]

Tiberium Franchise lore chronology? Give me that. Also audio levels are totally fine. Watched it with my bluetooth in-ears at work and had no blasted ears

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I'll see if I can sort something out for you. And thanks for the technical feedback.

[@cursedpaladin1035]

I AM the future Great video!

[@kestutisvaiciunas8663]

I still love the stupidity of the devs using a post-WW2 map to depict Europe, borders an all The more realistic scenario would be WW2 starting somewhere in 1945 when the USSR attacks Poland, because they absolutely would have looking at our timeline.

[@blackops9operation75]

I hope you do the C&C Tiberian Lore - Chronology & Canon Explained (Merging GDI & Nod Campaigns into one Timeline)

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I'm really happy with the end result of this video so I'm pretty sure I'll attempt a similar project for the Tiberium games now. Just a matter of finding the time.

[@jamesperkins191]

I think the campaigns overlap for their early missions, and both start on the 25th September 1995, with the Nod missions happening over a much shorter timeframe. It must split sometime before the end though since nowhere like the White House gets nuked in the GDI campaign. The GDI campaign ends in Bosnia on 11th November 1998 (80 years to the day of the WWI Armistice)

[@blackops9operation75]

@@jamesperkins191 The White House got vaporized by Ion Cannon rather than being nuked.

[@blackops9operation75]

9:05 General Carville!

[@Antidragon-nl7by]

The double continuity argument does hold merit; we see Westwood push this narrative device in Tiberium Sun, and blatantly adopt it in Firestorm. It fits with the evolution of the stories the creators told as their company became more successful and they gained more funding and resources to fulfill their vision. Additionally, I believe this narrative argument holds even more weight in Tiberium Dawn.

[@burninghalls]

I think I heard something about the Einstein's family being annoyed with his representation in C&C Red Alert. Could be just a rumour though. Also that in game soundtrack could be used in a movie. I always felt it gave the game atmosphere and made you feel like you were there and that the men you commanded on the ground really meant something.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Oh really? That's a shame but I mean, everyone in the Red Alert franchise is treated like a caricature, and I don't think Einstein came out particularly unflatteringly.

[@burninghalls]

@@SvenVanDerPlank Same here. Thanks for the video. I really do hope EA and Petroglyph do another remastered collection.

[@MarqFJA87]

I can't find the Tiberium Universe lore videos that you've mentioned in the last segment. Were they deleted? Also, it would be nice if the lore and cut content videos had their own playlists, instead of being lumped into the playthrough playlists.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, that's a good suggestion. I'll make a separate playlist for them. Don't think I intended to make many when I started so never bothered originally.

[@blackops9operation75]

Remember, Nod is still controlling the Soviets.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

your videos content and quality is disproportinally good! you need like x100 your current subscriber count for that level of quality you deliver!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks, that's kind of you to say. Maybe one day.

[@johnblack9195]

Most interesting. Anyway I like your accent and I don't which one it is. Which accent are you using?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Thanks. The accent is a bit of a hybrid. My folks moved to Scotland when I was very young, where I've lived pretty much my whole life. It maybe sounds a little Scottish to outsiders but I stand out here a bit. Where I grew up in the rural northeast folk would speak Doric, which is borderline unintelligible to most other people in Scotland, let alone the rest of the world. Still looking for a good excuse to use the word teuchter in a video 😆

[@dvader518]

4:44 Where’s that scene from (I.e., mission)?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

The trailer. It's not in the final game. There's a couple other short clips from the trailer that you only see through the scrolling "Command & Conquer" during the game's intro.

[@blackops9operation75]

2:40 I have a bad feelings it reminds me the Red Alert 2.

[@christopherwall2121]

I am pretty sure Einstein doesn't remember anything because this isn't the same Einstein. That one, the one who eliminated Mr. Mustache Man, went back to 1946, this Einstein is the one from the new timeline.

[@blackops9operation75]

Or maybe some kind of memory lost or something.

[@devonburdeyney8555]

Einstein doesn't Remember cause as the new timeline takes shape after his removal of failed Austrian painter dude, via time travel, everyone's memory changes to fit the new timeline as the fabric of space time rewrites itself. That's just my theory.

[@jamesperkins191]

No the Time-traveller!Einsten and RA!Einsten are different people, the first apparently erased himself from existence (along with his whole timeline)

[@Insomnia1234o00o]

Allies’ victory is always the canon.

[@kasrkin100]

*Laugh in Tiberium incursion* Always has be

[@blackops9operation75]

Because the Allies still need support from UNGDA to prevent World War. Good guy wins but still prepare for the worse.

[@blackops9operation75]

@@kasrkin100 And Tiberian Dawn.

[@MinyaKinar]

Pretty sure the Einstein in the opening cutscene is not the same one from within the campaign. In the opening cutscene, the time is set for after the second world war being over, thus creating a whole new alternate timeline where the Einstein of the game would clearly have no knowledge of the time machine made by the Alpha timeline Einstein, unless I'm wrong in thinking this?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

By that logic the Einstein from the opening cutscene achieved nothing. He returned to his own timeline where things remain unchanged. Either (a) he knows and says nothing about him changing history, (b) he forgets about his past actions because they happened in a 1946 that'll never happen now (but he somehow still remembers for a bit at the end of the first cutscene), or (c) he didn't achieve anything for himself and created a branch in history that's behind him on the timeline. I think the problem gets more complicated when they reintroduce time travel in the sequels and the effects are different/contradictory to what we've seen in the first game. My preferred explanation is (a) he knows, because it requires the least explanation, but it leaves the question open as to why he doesn't attempt to use the machine again.

[@MinyaKinar]

@@SvenVanDerPlank If it is A: then it does open a whole new can of worms too, because the Einstein in game seems to be a completely different personality compared to the one from the opening cutscene. Honestly, when time travel is involved, it just creates issues of it's own, making it all convoluted. I would think that once Westwood changed hands in the Tiberian Sun/Red Alert 2 time, it was EA pushing them to do things. Did they want to create a Red Alert 2, or was it because EA said "This made a lot of money for you... Make a sequel or we'll can your team." They still canned the team, despite it, but yeah. Once EA got involved a lot of things just took a different route. I preferred the original games in the series, I guess you could call me a purist, but I found Tib Sun, RA 2 and RA 3 too hard and didn't really like the art styles. I never completed any of them. (It wasn't even Hammerfest that screwed me though, it was some of the earlier missions. Maybe nowadays I may be able to do it, but getting any of the newer games past the Remastered to work on W10 x64 is painful. :( ) That's not to say I didn't like the stories. The way it was told, what with Joe Kucan directing the vast majority, was just the right level of "Command and Conquer" feel, and my all time favorite cutscenes from any of the Tiberian timelines was when Kane entered the picture. "Yes, power shifts more quickly than you thinks." or "KANE LIVES IN DEATH" "IN THE NAME OF KANE" "KAN-" "KANE. LIVES!" "You can't kill the Messiah!"

[@blackhand1193]

Honestly WW had brilliant ideas but lacked details. Back than this kind of con seemed acceptable as long as overall quality was good. Onto the subject, there are three most famous theories about time paradox:we can alter OUR past and in the process people 'might' forget about it(Back To The Future), even our attempt to alter past is pre-set history(Tenet), or we create new alternate reality(Avengers Endgame). I personally agree with Minya. Like Minya said Einstein who changed history and the one who was kidnapped-rescued-created Chronosphere has severely different personality. Former is cynnical, serious, a bit hysteric. Personality matches the one who experienced(even though not directly) terrible war ever happened on earth. The latter however, is kinda, energitic compared to the former. You could say he's pretending to be cool or he's different because he lost his memory but former just makes him a hypocrite of sort(he's responsible of this new WW2), and latter have the problem of 'how much he forgot? Did he's assistant who seemed to know what happened after the change also forgot too? And what about all the equipment he used? Why he didn't reuse time machine could be solved much clearer this way too:because the one who invented and used it doesn't know that new reality has spawned and the one who lives in that reality doesn't know he can create one. Just saying 'he was shocked by the change he caused so he didn't' is lame. Especially with the fact people tend to try '2nd chance'. Oh and I completely ignored later games' time travel lore. Things are too wacky with them.

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@SvenVanDerPlank He returns just before it all vanishes...

[@sword4005]

i always heard that the campaign changed universes depending on which won, soviet goes to C&C soviets rule until early 1990s and collapse and see the forming of GDi to prevent a war like that ever happening again while allies victory heads to RA2

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

That's just a fan theory. Was never Westwood's intent. Both endings lead to Tib Dawn until RA2 came out. Since this was the first real breakaway and since it must have followed an allied victory, people started to assume that meant the Soviet ending lead to the Tiberium games. The official position is that the split happens after RA1.

[@sword4005]

@@SvenVanDerPlank one universe the tiberium meteor lands in another it does not

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Since the meteor didn't land until the 90s then it would have to be before that because RA2 is 70s.

[@sword4005]

@@SvenVanDerPlank well with westwood gone guess we never know

[@jamesperkins191]

I'm almost certain it's the other way around, Allied Victory becomes C&C (Russia is a founding member of the GDI) - whilst Soviet victory becomes RA2

[@ReviveHF]

You can make avideo about Red Alert and Generals connection as well

[@jamesperkins191]

I'm fairly sure Generals is a totally unrealted continuity but shoot your shot!

[@blackops9operation75]

12:56 Better days to come.

[@broyOfThisGym]

I read about it on reddit before. I think it was you

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Most likely, I've posted about this on reddit several times over the last couple years.

[@sbplankton_1999]

Was it not a april fools day? Sven!!!

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

April Fools Day? What do you mean?

[@sbplankton_1999]

@@SvenVanDerPlank look down on next viewers and see yourself "1 apr. 2021" one year back.

[@RealEnerjak]

What I never understood is why Einstein never did the same with Stalin? Preventing both wars.

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

Doesn't he effectively do just that in Yuri's Revenge? As for why he never stops the events of Red Alert 1, maybe it was explicitly the Holocaust that he sought to prevent. But you're right, it's never made clear.

[@devonburdeyney8555]

With the fabric of space time adjusting to the new timeline of angry Austrian man existing, everyone's memory was changed so no one remembered what Einstein did. Even the great scientist himself didn't know what he did to maintain the natural balance. That's why in Red Alert 3 when the Soviets go back in time to kill Einstein, they return to a timeline where nuclear weapons never exist when the soviet general orders the launch of the nuclear arsenal but he is looked on likes crazy cause the soviet military staff have no idea what nukes are.

[@jamesperkins191]

The new Einstein never got a chance

[@blackops9operation75]

14:13 For good.

[@blackops9operation75]

13:29 Look at his acting lol.

[@sbplankton_1999]

Was it not a april fools day? ago.

[@gabriellegg8908]

I'd love a similar video for Red Alert 2 (if possible that is)

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

I have looked at something similar. It seems like Allies mission 8 is the divergent point. I may one day put together complete history of the RA2/YR conflict, time travel shenanigans included, but it's not something I've started working on yet.

[@gabriellegg8908]

@@SvenVanDerPlank When's the divergence for the Soviets? Is it the mission before Romanov's death?

[@SvenVanDerPlank]

That's a good question actually. I'd need to look at the maps. I think there are probably some contradictions but then there always were. The idea that Mission 8 is the divergence comes from Yuri's Revenge where both campaigns follow on from the Allied victory but the Soviets have an opportunity to play that same mission again from the other side, this time leading to a Soviet victory.