Red Ball's Biggest MYSTERY was Finally Solved After 12 Years!

[@InsaneJetman]

"Noooo! ... Why did I jump again?" ... Because legend!

[@shoobfloof22]

Bro you ARE a legend. This comment needs to be the top comment

[@Zarzamoritas]

Red Ball Does a Little Trolling has an automatic death button which allows to death warp in every level. Even with this, a death warp in level 10 is certainly impossible due to the point where you have to die at in order to warp being unreachable. Little bit of red ball trivia for y'all

[@noahbaden90]

I always smile when we get Mario 64 level select music in a hyper-technical portion of speedrun/tas-explained videos.

[@awesomehazimex7410]

but first, we need to talk about PARALLEL UNIVERSES

[@enochliu8316]

File select! Not level select!

[@enochliu8316]

@@awesomehazimex7410 And if you thought my other tangents were complicated,just you wait.

[@DreadKyller]

Man, I feel bad now. I was trying to figure this out about about a month ago, I scoured the on death code and couldn't find any code that seemed to change position (which is what I assumed would happen). I figured it may be a quirk of the way Box2D handles destroying objects, but I never looked further into it, and the idea of it changing layers without having it's position transformed never crossed my mind. Congrats to everyone who figured this out, it's unfortunate this didn't lead to many more possible time saves but it's still nice to be able to put an official, confirmed reason for it working. And as always great editing.

[@Maximum]

Thanks! Yep, it ended up having nothing to do with Box2D

[@sage5296]

it's kinda just an odd quirk of flash, but everything that's not a child of something else uses the stage coordinate system. It's just that things that aren't a child of something else (and hence aren't rendered) don't usually have x/y positions or checks on those positions, so this sorta stuff doesn't happen often

[@DreadKyller]

@@sage5296 Yeah i get that, was just saying I never considered that when I was looking through the code, tunnel vision was too strong.

[@realperson9951]

i still kinda dont get how the red box moved over the red ball to reach the flag

[@DreadKyller]

@@realperson9951 Sorry this is late I didn't look back here since. If you're still curious the red box displayed in the hack represents the location relative to the camera that red ball is relative to the world. The Stage is the area we see, what's within the camera. Redball's position is always close to the center of this, so for example Redballs position inside the stage is around x=275 y=200 (give or take due to camera tweening, smooth movement, and also because Redball is not positioned exactly in the center). However the entire level is larger than what we can see. Stage = What we see in the camera Level = the entire level, including outside of the camera Everything in the level has an x and y position, relative to an origin point 0,0. To figure out the position of an object in the camera you can take it's x and y position and subtract the camera's position (which is it's upper-left corner), if that position is more than 0 and less than the width/height of the camera depending which axis you're checking, then it's within the Stage. While Redball may be positioned at x=275, y=200 within the camera, if the camera/Stage itself is positioned at x=200,y=100 in the Level then Redball's position in the Level is x=200+275 y=100+200 or x=475, y=300. When Redball dies, due to insufficient cleanup or Redball's object in the game, it's position in the world (in example above x=475, y=300) gets set relative to the Stage/camera. Since in the example above the camera is at x=200, y=100 the new Level position of Redball would be x=200+475, y=100+300 or x=675, y=400. It just so happens that for any given location A in the Level, there's an equivalent location B where when this occurs at location B the resulting Level position will be A. Taking a checkpoint as location A, and calculating what position B you'd need for it, most of the time that position isn't useful as it's impossible to die there. Another way to think of this is that it basically adds the camera's x and y location to Redball's location when Redball dies, this isn't really 100% accurate, but it's another way to conceptualize what's happening. The red box is just a visual indicator for where Redball's position will be set if it died at that given point in time. Which is positioned at Redball's position in the Level, if it was set relative to the Stage/camera's top-left corner. Have L be the origin of the Level (0,0) Have S be the top-left corner of the camera/Stage Have P be an x, y position Position before Death: L + P Position after Death: S + P Prior to death the position P is relative to the Level. After death the position P is set relative to the Stage, yet it's x and y values do not change, since S and L are (likely) two different positions, this results in the position of Redball moving. The amount moved will be effectively how far away S is from L. Further away will incur larger changes in position.

[@chonkypigeon6752]

You see, InsaneJetman didn't "accidentally" do a death warp, he time traveled to march of 2021 to fool us all!

[@RoseQuartz692]

that's is what actually happened

[@Officially_Unofficial-1]

Could you say he wrong warped to 3 months later?

[@NorXor]

This isn’t red balls biggest mystery, what about the true identity of Dale R?

[@beatdwn]

Do you know more of him because i only found a man who died in 2004

[@want-diversecontent3887]

@@beatdwn That's definitely not him, his comments are after 2004

[@beatdwn]

@@want-diversecontent3887 can you leave any links or anything? I am very interested in this.

[@want-diversecontent3887]

@@beatdwn His comments are here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2S4noODjLGfiNU

[@beatdwn]

@@want-diversecontent3887 I just looked at them and have to ask do they work? They seem very specific so i think yes. But i think it's just some player who just messes around with the game alot.

[@flowerperson581]

Hey turning down a sponsorship is something I seriously respect. Morality above everything. I wish I had money to donate to your Patreon if you have one or whatever but I'm super broke right now. Just wanted to say thank you, and things like that are part of what makes your channel so special

[@Maximum]

Thanks so much! I do not currently have a patreon, so the best way to support me is to just continue watching the videos. I may do sponsored segments at some point in the future, but it is just not a direction that I am currently ready to head in.

[@filipraos8072]

Has nothing to do with morality mate. There is nothing wrong with a sponsor segment

[@RyanYakovich]

@@Maximum cmon you gotta get that bag

[@ricogoins]

I agree. Most underrated decision of this video.

[@want-diversecontent3887]

@@filipraos8072 Well, except fir raid shadow legends

[@RedKincaid]

I would be so annoyed if I had had a world record for over a month and didn't know about it until after it had been beaten

[@InsaneJetman]

It's okay, my 11.710 second run was the recognized world record for those months anyway.

[@MeowZeOwOdong]

Max Stirner profile picture? Max aura points

[@RedKincaid]

@@MeowZeOwOdong Thanks! I like your name btw, I'm no Meowist but I dig it :3

[@RealTheBlockKing]

Am I the only one who doesn't even play red ball, but enjoys these videos?

[@someonehungarian9002]

Nope.

[@Xnoob545]

No

[@Connor-hl4fc]

You should try it. It's harder than these pros make it look but it's fun

[@sage5296]

If you've ever been interested in speedrunning, this is a great place to start. There's a strong community and it's a pretty easy game to pick up and get started with!

[@melissagedman3707]

i also dont play red ball and enjoy these vids

[@MChatlakk]

6:07 that flag sound effect.

[@mm7829speedrun]

so true

[@bodelicious6447]

Hey dude, don’t let people bully you out of using your regional dialect. Pronounce Caramel however you want. I use the two interchangeably

[@Maximum]

I am aware that how I saw it is fine; I just thought it would be funny to make a joke about it

[@miwiki6]

yeah he should not let people do that

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

Personally I use the car-a-mel pronunciation to refer to the more solid candy and the car-mel pronunciation to refer to the more liquid version, as well as most other uses like when something is caramelized (I thought this was the correct way but I everthing I've found just says it's based on your accent.)

[@LemonLimeManTheThird]

Yo Max! I really appreciate the structure of the script! I just realized you write them like an essay for English class in terms of intro, body, conclusion! Sick stuff bro!

[@hippy_flip]

The fact that these games have such a dedicated fanbase makes me happy.

[@SamLabbato]

This man really pulled a pannenkoek, watch for rolling rocks, on us.

[@Dimondium]

"All of the sudden" Bruh, save some sudden for the rest of us, smh, just take all of _a_ sudden, we need some sudden too

[@arandomcommenter6759]

Lets just pretend i know what did you just say

[@JoPo-nk8pr]

@@arandomcommenter6759 joke explainer 7000: "all of the sudden" is not the correct idiom, it is "all of *a* sudden," this person is suggesting to only take all of one singular sudden instead of taking all of "the" sudden, which could be interpreted as every sudden (at least i THINK that's the joke) (i KNOW this is a necropost but i do not care)

[@daunt2227]

You're gonna turn into the Karl Jobst of red ball. I can't wait until the world recognizes your talent. Good luck friend, don't forget us, we were here from the start.

[@Mmm---mmm]

Jobst?

[@goldenwarrior1186]

@@Mmm---mmm Search “Karl Jobst”. He’s a speedrunning content creator sort of similar to Itsmaximum, but for more popular speedgames (speedrunning in general I guess)

[@daunt2227]

@@goldenwarrior1186 Yeah he mainly focuses on Doom, Goldeneye 007, and sometimes Minecraft.

[@melon_coaster6393]

or into the wirtual of red ball

[@12newangels]

he already is xd

[@machibutinenglish1468]

Man, I can't believe this masterpiece of game has actually an active speedrun community. It's AMAZING!

[@Ray_uck]

i'm waiting for someone to make a kaizo of this and just make the deathwarp a part of it

[@Maximum]

It's really funny that you left this comment, since a kaizo red ball already exists, and there was a hack recently made called "Red Ball Does a Little Trolling" that incorporates the death warp!

[@sage5296]

I think there were a few levels of kaizo that came really close to a working deathwarp, but sadly nothing panned out. RBDALT however is a different story since you can die anywhere at the push of a button, removing the main restriction preventing death warping

[@asterie_stythia]

This video really has a pannenkoek vibe to it haha. I never played this game but it was still very interesting. Good work !

[@SirTylerGolf]

What kind of conspiracy did you have to pull to keep the very useful first star golf wrong warp out of this video?

[@xdxboxjaja]

yeah what the heck max

[@damianbrumfield3626]

@@xdxboxjaja Hey, you’re in the video.

[@Mr_Yeah]

Imagine getting a WR by accident but not acknowledging that in the title. This comment was made by the Trackmania Speedrunning gang.

[@enochliu8316]

And at the end of the video, getting a slower world record that you purposely worked for.

[@xarxos5274]

Given how easily the death warp was overlooked in InsaneJetMan's video, have you considered if maybe someone had accidentally gotten it even earlier without anyone ever noticing? I suppose that there might not be a ton of preserved footage from supposedly failed runs from long ago, but it's interesting to think that maybe someone actually set an amazing record for this level years ago and never knew.

[@Maximum]

It is pretty much a statistical certainty that some casual player accidentally pulled it off beforehand, but Jetman's is very likely the first with video evidence

[@YellowSkarmory]

it's extremely precise so i wouldn't be surprised if that was the first case on video, but it's also very easy to miss (i only knew this could work because of a couple quirks of the game i knew at the time and i had to be paying attention to the audio) so it's possible it's on some random walkthrough somewhere

[@ItsPietroFelix]

ItsMaximum: C- Comment section: *stares* ItsMaximum: *sighs* "Care-a-mel"

[@semimad100]

which is weird since its a region thing. it would be like trying to correct someone who spells color vs colour with the opposite one not understanding both are correct.

[@ItsPForPea]

Pronouncing "Caramel" as "car-mel" is "wrong", but "camera" as "cam-ra" or "chocolate" as "choc-late" or "temperature" as "tem-per-ture" is "right". *Sigh*, native English speakers.

[@TabooGroundhog]

Plus it’s a name so don’t they get to decide how it’s pronounced?

[@dannyway1111]

@@ItsPForPea People from all around the globe pronounce things different and often incorrectly. Infact, British people often poke fun at each other for our strange pronunciations of things. Americans should do the same. No there is no right or wrong technically, but certain pronunciations can sound funny. Especially when it is completely foreign to you. For example, Aluminium clearly has an I in it, but Americans tend to ignore it. Just like how most people say "chocolate" but some northern British people say choc lat. The difference is we don't accept that as the "proper" way to say it, as it just sounds ridiculous

[@parkerklinck263]

@@ItsPForPea car-mel is a recognized and valid pronunciation

[@katzui_keen]

This is the suff of legends.

[@firedabot]

I love this suff

[@itztomski337]

Bro you make good quality context and i still find it interesting even tho I have never played the game before, I don’t think anyone is going to hate you for having a 30second sponsor in the vid

[@nirzak7049]

Been waiting for this!

[@edyxty]

Anything technical happens on the entirety of KZbin: Mario 64 Music Plays (8:55)

[@beatrixwashere]

i’ve been waiting for this for a while, great video

[@adsoyad2607]

i just love this community, i love to see one of my childhood games being finessed to the limits

[@reimeir3267]

Honestly I get so hyped watching these and I don't even play the game.

[@cf5765]

I've never even heard of this game before these speedrun videos, now I appreciate it very much.

[@woopro1234]

I couldve get a sponsor but i didnt, YOU DESERVE A LIKE AND A SUB MY MAN

[@preethamrn]

This glitch was super well explained! I'm pretty sure a baby could understand how and why it works. Great job by you and the rest of the people who worked on this!

[@geo1496]

this is the best glitch in all of red ball

[@jimmi3839]

Yo maximum! Wassup man, I talked to you about a year ago about some happy wheels personal records, and just recently found your main channel.. your recent growth has been incredible, good luck man

[@Technodog]

It’s all fun and games until the Mario QPU defacto speed music kicks in

[@lassehope]

The music at 9:05 brought back some minimum a press memories

[@FINALASTXTN]

Finnaly you upload this video. i've been waiting this for so long

[@ijarbis187]

I love the sm64 music during the explanation of the glitch. The subtle nod to Pannenkoek is very fitting for a trick like this

[@Connor-hl4fc]

Next time you should take the sponsorship man. We can sit through an ad read if it means you get paid for your work

[@cst1229]

now the biggest mystery is why spike glitch works and why it's more consistent at bigger resolutions

[@Maximum]

That is actually figured out for the most part now

[@cst1229]

@@Maximum wait WHAT

[@TheEgglet]

@@Maximum how then

[@sage5296]

Pausing removes the event listener for the game's update cycle, and when you pause and unpause for under a second, the tweener engine never shuts down, which means that the update cycle now happens after the level is tweened. Spikes rely on a graphical pixel-wise check for determining sprit overlap, comparing the spike sprite against 16 points around the outer edge of redball. This however compares against the last rendered frame! With the tween occurring between the prior frame render and the check, this shifts redball's position and the 16 points that are checked, while leaving the spikes where they were. I'm presently working on a hack to separate out the tween render and update phases to generate clear visuals for this

[@sn00dles83]

I respect you not putting ads, subscribed

[@sagacious03]

Neat video! Thanks for uploading!

[@irok1]

I've always wondered about the games before 4, as 4 is on CoolMathGames, but you really took me back with the Wario City music...wow

[@rileymaxwell1484]

I have become heavily invested into the red ball speed running culture

[@whyofcoursenot3507]

The Mario Galaxy OSTs made this video so much better

[@ATumbleOfTheDice]

I was a king.com nerd for ages. How did a big community pop up around Red Ball that I somehow haven’t heard of?? What???

[@SP1TF1RE-99]

10:23 A DIE-agonal line. Nice joke, Max.

[@InsanePigeon]

14:56 axe-identally

[@Simon27712]

Awesome video max! As always!

[@aidenpfeifer1255]

I love how 9:00 gives off UncommentatedPannen vibes

[@TheDoh007]

Absolutely agree here :)

[@Incredi2k]

I death warped here from the Sub 20 Train video

[@mr.pluppy8240]

Great Vid, i was waiting for this since u mentioned it in one of your other vids. Btw i think you confused the x and y axes lol

[@I3ladeDragon]

I don't play this game and to be honest never considered Flash Game speedruns. Clicked on a whim! I watched this all the way through though and it was a very solid overview! Interesting how an oversight in game code can make such a profound impact years later!

[@TheMakiiiii]

Mario 64 music beginning at the same time as the technical explanation, nice reference

[@c9593469]

Love the technical stuff ❤️

[@Scaramouche122]

Dont like that

[@OperatorSkillet]

Using Mario 64 music during the explanation is a great reference to pannen!

[@CheddarCheeez]

Hey, I say take the future sponsor spots. We can skip it if we want, and it’s money to do more of what you love

[@michaelb4415]

Who could have knew that a game about a bouncy ball could be so technical

[@ayte3656]

I never have and will play these games but these are so well put together that I like watching them

[@Stocxk_]

I'm so confused about all that camera stuff but I still enjoyed the vid. Keep up the great work my good man.

[@pathagas]

i wanted to say that, as a viewer of your channel, i would be happy for you to take sponsorships. i want you to make money off of these videos and our views because i like your content. i think that most of your viewers would agree with this. really, an ad is only 30 seconds or so in a 17 minute video, no big deal at all.

[@jackdaniel3135]

SM64: but first, let’s talk about Parallel Universes. Red Ball: but first, let’s talk about Schrodinger’s Ball.

[@SashaSkarmory]

The true chad out here turning down sponsors just to make his videos more enjoyable

[@stonechewer1227]

No ad, must support

[@MeesterTweester]

We did it, Red Ball wrong warp

[@Zebo12345678]

The SM64 file select music right as you got to the technical stuff was a really funny reference. I nearly spat out my drink, but before we can understand the physics of how one can spit out their drink, we need to talk about parallel universes.

[@PineappleSquuid]

Yay, he posted!

[@Planetdune]

Always fun when speedrunnng devolves into "who can glitch out the game the fastest".

[@mymoomin0952]

I think you mean evolves ;)

[@alisiaale565]

Everyone gangsta until someone figures out how to travel between parallel universes in Red Ball and how to hyper-speed walk in order to beat the game even faster.

[@eldbecks9299]

This game ... was my childhood. Glad I found your channel mate

[@y__707__z2]

bro why do i love this channel so much like its about a game launched 12 years ago

[@Debio4ko]

You’re the best! In level 13 Red Ball 2 I was wondering why this happened but now I know! I’m subscribed!

[@Vexxter]

9:00 omg this music reminds me of pannenkoek2012 explaining his 0xA TASes

[@Maximum]

That's what I was going for!

[@sage5296]

But first let's talk about paralle- erm... flash display hierarchy

[@saidholhujayev6863]

Bismuth + Summoning Salt mode activated.

[@unseengamer6464]

Watching these red ball video is like sinking my teeth into a delicious slice of cake. it feels like a present!

[@pixelator5312]

man that hurt when you showed the ttc upwarp at the end

[@BortLoco]

Really love your background music choices!

[@blueberrryy]

Please accept your sponsors we really don’t mind and this content is far more than High enough quality to warrant it

[@N25_CT13]

"possibly got a bit boring due to technical stuff" man i never get bored watching ur vids

[@tekkorb778]

love the Pannenkoek vibes in the sm64 music during technical talk

[@Emerald29]

You know someone is smart if they talk about something with the file select music in sm64

[@maxwell_edison]

"You may be wondering what this Red Box on screen is." "However, I am not actually going to tell you directly. You'll know when I reference it later, though" ..O-Oh, okay.

[@realperson9951]

bruh thats such a plot twist, insanejetman was the first one to do the death warp but we just didnt notice

[@fanamatakecick97]

This game seems so minuet, but it’s so complex at the same time. No wonder there’s such a passionate community for this game

[@Terranovasaurus]

respect on the no ad read. IMO Feel free to do them at the end if they offer that, make that money man

[@TheOppiter]

thanks bud. appreciate the lack of ads

[@nappeywappey]

So you are telling me that there is a dedicated & active speedrun community for red ball games? Amazing.

[@bloonsfamily2066]

9:01 Pannenkoek flashbacks

[@Lovuschka]

So you could say that the ghost of Red Ball activates the flag.

[@Julian_Pepper]

1:25 the secret is to always say Caramel/Carmel in every video.

[@ligth3977]

The way he calls it "Biggest Mystery" makes me feel it's a dark secret hidden in red ball

[@patrikcath1025]

Turning down a sponsorship is based and I will absolutely subscribe for that. Knowing these random first sponsorships it was probably a certain mobile RPG game anyway.

[@jamesknapp64]

The amount and DEPTH of technical knowlege that is within these relatively simple flash games is austounding.

[@KrishnaDasLessons]

Nah the biggest mystery is the actual developers of Red Ball 5.

[@Kynatosh]

16:09 this was explained. A bit probably changed state because of electromagnetic radiation and particles

[@ujkloin]

10:24 did you inntend the pun on "die" there?

[@kekprod_]

ItsMaximum's voice completely correlates to his profile picture

[@MrDarkhallows]

Great content! Please continue doing youtube vid

[@while.coyote]

these redball videos never get old

[@wingedlynx2584]

HE SOUNDS SO SAD AT 13:48??? I FEEL SO BAD FOR HIM.