The second one truly made me realise how much John actually changed from the start of chapter 1 to the end of the epilogue. He became a much better man and I think he redeemed himself. John changed from a selfish man unconcerned about his family to a man who would do absolutely anything for his family including giving up his outlaw lifestyle and becoming a rancher even though he didn’t want to, fighting in a Mexico revolution and taking on The Mexican Army, killing his father figure, becoming a good father to Jack and a good husband to Abigail. That made me appreciate how far John had come.
@gurpinderwarar4625 Жыл бұрын
Yah well said bro, but most sad part on opposite from prologue to John death Abigail remain the same annoying gold digger bitch Karen
@Robin_Oliver5 ай бұрын
Fr. Ppl always talk about Arthurs redemption but Johns redemption is also great
@WigglyStuf3 ай бұрын
Always saw Jack calling Bronte Papa as the turning point
@rosagem542 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Tilly stayed til the very end and took care of Jack when Abigail got captured, I think Tilly and perhaps Mary-beth as well would've stayed with Abigail and help her raise Jack, probably in Saint Denis. in the epilogue after running into Tilly, she writes to the Marstons and says that she felt like an aunt to Jack.
@yachtman87 Жыл бұрын
Every great fictional universe should have a what-if series
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
I agree 🐐
@elperrodelautumo7511 Жыл бұрын
Elseworlds if you want a synonym for what-if
@LQC13 Жыл бұрын
I think Sean would have either sided with Arthur or left the gang early. Also his being alive would have meant that Karen wouldn't succumb into alcoholism and maybe she would've left with him and lived their years as a Bonnie and Clyde type of thing
@jospehcahill7320 Жыл бұрын
I like how someone finally mentioned the fact that Dutch just wanted attention. I think honestly he murdered Colm’s brother in cold blood because he wanted attention he would get from having a rival. All big gunslingers and gangs all had rivals so Dutch would have one too. Also I think Dutch Turing evil was a combination of his brain injury during the trolly job, Micah manipulating him and being in his ear all the time, the death of Hosea and other characters in the gang, having so many setbacks, having so many doubters, and the fact that he was always evil and that he finally just revealed who he truly was. Hosea was stopping him from being who he truly was. Hosea kept him grounded in reality. After the trolly mission he became very aggressive so that obviously had something to do with it. And Micah fed into his instincts. Micah was the demon on his shoulder well Hosea was the angel on his shoulder.
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
W me
@rdr.outlaw Жыл бұрын
Very Common Goatfever W Thank you for having me ❤
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thanks for coming
@kuro9905 Жыл бұрын
I personally don't think that if john never returns, he would still be killed by ross. Cuz in chapter 3 in rdr2, when agent milton and ross discovered the gang's camp, they dont even recognize john and john introduced himself as rip van winkle so I think if john never returned, he would not be associated with the van der linde gang, at least by milton and ross
@theoutsiderjess1869 Жыл бұрын
He got put into federal prison they know who he is because of that alone
@vee7588 Жыл бұрын
@@theoutsiderjess1869but that wasn't til chapter 4
@trooper9270 Жыл бұрын
THE SECRET GREAT ENDING OF RDR2 in this timeline the gang decided to go to Italy. Micah decides to become a pizza maker, and stays in Italy meaning the gang wouldn’t have down fell. and every couple of years dutch goes to Italy to get a pizza from his dear friend
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
The good ending
@iforgor8271 Жыл бұрын
O hel na ratatouille?
@spaaceboi6972 Жыл бұрын
I think that if nobody died and all those people sided with Arthur then Javier would side with Arthur too because he was neutral.
@thirtythreeteam Жыл бұрын
I always did wonder what would had happened if Arthur never got TB. Happy to see other channels focusing on RDR, maybe it will help and lead more to be produced.
@dukemeiser19 Жыл бұрын
Hold The crust, goat's best video just dropped
@Snook_YT Жыл бұрын
glad to see the video blowing up bro!
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you Bro, glad to see you stop by 🫶
@controllerplayer2091 Жыл бұрын
Well, for the last one, yeah an Italy arch could be interesting, but Rome is probably way to ambitious. Maybe a small Italian town or countryside would be better.
@rdr.outlaw Жыл бұрын
Well I believe if it was in Rome, it would be a much similar experience to Saint Denis, it also allows for more fun and chaos to occur 🤠
@lunchtrayboy Жыл бұрын
I made a what if video back in March of "what if Dutch didnt kill Bronte" i thought it was an intresting subject great work you guys
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏 maybe you could be part of “WHAT IF..? Volume 2” 👀
A what if idea I’ve had for a long time: What if, Josiah Trelawny never went to Valentine and was not able to tell the gang where Sean was, and thus couldn’t locate him and save him?
@GrubGangg Жыл бұрын
Sean never had a big impact on anybody so probably nothing would happen. If he did save someone in the gang from dying then yes but sean is barely in the game so nothing would probably happen.
@willcartwright7982 Жыл бұрын
Sean would die
@chriswilliams4700 Жыл бұрын
@@GrubGanggto be fair though, he gets sniped and killed because the Grays found out about the gang. If Sean was already dead, that means either Bill, Micah, or Arthur dies. That changes things quite a bit
@DrewSD Жыл бұрын
The second i got the notification i pressed the vid i love all of the big projects people are dropping recently!
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Me too brother 💪💪
@colton7675 Жыл бұрын
If guarma never happened and they ended up going back Arthur could have possibly lived another month. The stress of being stranded on guarma defienetly further progressed his illness
@TheHiddenOne690 Жыл бұрын
duke's voice will always make bust
@CJHaven Жыл бұрын
🤨
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
I’m being nice
@RealTeamFEVER Жыл бұрын
Making it outta Guarma with this one 🗣️🔥🔥
@Cheez_Doodlezz Жыл бұрын
We making out with Abigail with this one
@Revix_AE Жыл бұрын
I AM JOHN MARSTON CHEEZDOODLEZ1
@Cheez_Doodlezz Жыл бұрын
@@Revix_AE oh shiiizzzzt
@SalGoochman Жыл бұрын
New video is dreamy 😍
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
🫶🫶
@FilbeeGaming Жыл бұрын
Excellent video guys
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thx Filbee
@nadiacasper7754 Жыл бұрын
I do think that Arthur would have married Abigial if John didnt return. I think that because of a journal entry where he mentions that maybe he should have married Abigail, and that he had thought of that many times. I also believe that Lenny would have been nearly as prominent as Sadie and Charles. He and Arthur had a very close friendship and I believe he would have been by Arthurs side until the end.
@grey_nachos Жыл бұрын
"...also kieran but i dont care about him" BRUH 💀😂
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
I really don’t 😭
@paupau8246 Жыл бұрын
8:43 You're too harsh to my BOAH Kieran 😂
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
But I don’t care about him
@tyson3039 Жыл бұрын
A Dark what if; what if Javier and Arthur didn't find Jack on the mountain? Or even; what if the Blackwater massacre didn't happen?
@elmochomo8218 Жыл бұрын
Banger in the beginning
@MrMafia400 Жыл бұрын
Bro thought he could sneak Duke in and thought we wouldn’t notice but good video
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
and waxy
@Dosva Жыл бұрын
To be honest, the only one that could have survived is Lenny, because with Sean it was too quick that nobody could have done anything and with Hosea, they just couldn't have done nothing, Milton give them a chance but they didn't use it and Hosea was the perfect example so i don't see any scenario where Milton let Hosea live
@bowenbifford94063 ай бұрын
That was a beautiful intro oh my gosh!
@historyfactsshorts22 Жыл бұрын
Sean would stay to athur definetly because athur is seans role model
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
How do u know that?
@historyfactsshorts22 Жыл бұрын
Dutch said it to Athur in i think at the train robbery or at the party@@Waxyyy
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
@@historyfactsshorts22 show me
@historyfactsshorts22 Жыл бұрын
how i think he said something like:Sean is like you at the past he just want to be like you i cant say it word for word because im german and play with subtitles @@Waxyyy
@MalDaGOAT Жыл бұрын
W intro music
@elperrodelautumo7511 Жыл бұрын
What if Dutch decided to go with hoseas idea with the gold scam on Blackwater instead of the money ferry boat ⛴️ robbery. Or what if Arthur decided to leave Micah to hang on strawberry. Arthur could’ve fibbed to Dutch that he tried to saved him but Micah was hung by the time Arthur came to strawberry.
@interrygator7250 Жыл бұрын
I think that if the gang members had survived then micah would have died at beaver hollow as hosea would have still been talking to dutch a lot and micah wouldnt have been able to get dutch or the other gang members that sided with him so easily
@rtvtictaczac727 Жыл бұрын
A Rome chapter would be interesting especially if they added some assassin related Easter eggs 😂
@hanswurst3110 Жыл бұрын
Dude! Im 50 seconds in and i gotta appreciate the astonishing intro ❤ That seems like a lot of time and work went into that ❤
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
I glad you enjoyed it! The intro was By Robin Mikalsen and he’s made a bunch more! His channel link is in the description.
@REDDEADMARSTON10 ай бұрын
I think Micah kills Hosea in the stand off then Dutch would be on Arthur’s side?
@Red-dead-dude217 Жыл бұрын
If I Hosea,Susan, Sean,Lenny,and John were on Arthur side I think Dutch would have joined Arthur
@bigbag_games417 Жыл бұрын
Unreal intro, fucking awsome video , i hope the algorithm blesses you with this video
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, I hope the algorithm blesses me too 😭😭. God bless you sir
@Abd-kb7tr Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVERgot this suggested it has indeed blessed you
@bigbag_games417 Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVERupadate 24k??? The algorithm blessed you
@MrGTAClips Жыл бұрын
LETS GOOO
@SalGoochman Жыл бұрын
Bison Lover (Waxy) wouldn't stop forcing this video down my throat so here I am 😮💨🦬🤩🤩🤩
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
💀💀💀
@Milty2001 Жыл бұрын
My theory on john leaving the gang, is that it would be much harder for milton and ross to find him because they don't know his real name, and him calling himself rip van winkle would make milton think that he's obviously lying, so when he does get caught by milton they'll either hang him or torture him to reveal the location of the gang or probably strongarm him to hunt down the gang and once they're finished they'll kill him next.
@Razeeq62324 күн бұрын
If Hosea lived, the gang wouldn't have fallen apart. We have to remember the gang started with him and Dutch so Hosea dying really did a number on Dutch.
@Solid_Snak3 Жыл бұрын
waxy being so calm saying ''but also kieran but i don't care about him'' got me coughing with stage 6 of tuberculosis edit: also what if the gang never fell and they all go to tahiti or fiji (maybe even italy)
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
Same
@Solid_Snak3 Жыл бұрын
@@Waxyyy waxy responded goddamn😭🙏🏻
@th3m1st0cl3s Жыл бұрын
Funny, his channel says, "stop asking to use my videos as intros. The answer is no."
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
No it doesn’t
@th3m1st0cl3s Жыл бұрын
@@Waxyyy yes it does, I just checked.
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
My brother in Christ no it doesn’t.
@davecurry863 Жыл бұрын
This is fire
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Yessir 🔥🔥
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
VIDEO IS DOING GREAT SO FAR!!! 😧🤙🏼❤️
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Sure is 🔥🔥
@thecashbandit_ss Жыл бұрын
Javier can’t be jacks father because apparently he wasn’t in the gang before Jack was born
@oilybat326910 ай бұрын
Charles would 100% raise Jack in John’s place. There’s no way he’s gonna walk away from Jack and Abigail. Charles and Abigail probably won’t start a relationship but I wouldn’t be surprised if one eventually develops in a way. Charles would never doom Abigail to a future of a single mother
@gurpinderwarar4625 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, that was the best RDR2 intro ever
@vladuchovsky8884 Жыл бұрын
Bro, the last theory sounded real hot, good job ❤
@WhoAgainQM7 ай бұрын
thats actually a really sick intro wth
@GOATFEVER7 ай бұрын
Frfr
@Mrprice1234 Жыл бұрын
That intro is something different
@StormAsher104 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I feel like everyone who died or ran away from the gang would’ve been the ones to stand with Arthur, which makes it all sadder because if Arthur had his own half of the gang, he could’ve lived!
@xiom222 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE THE INTRO
@josemendoza227 Жыл бұрын
W intro
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
W Jose
@lowendzo6 ай бұрын
With Hosea being alive, Cleet and Joe would've not been allowed to enter the camp
@plutoniumrocks Жыл бұрын
that intro goes so hard I think I need to move states again
@PFGFrankly Жыл бұрын
well hosea death, without his death, dutch will never go insane
@CJHaven Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@thejonkler69 Жыл бұрын
This is so good
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you bro 🤙
@tzogaming Жыл бұрын
in the what if tjohn never came back ross and milton don't know john cause in the last cutsceene of chapter 3 milton asks john who are you so milton and ross don't know him so he won't die
@ArthurMorgan_579 Жыл бұрын
If you are doing apart 2 of this do one where the whole string plays out correctly or whatever or what if Arthur never got tb
@Monkey_lives_in_Krajina Жыл бұрын
What if John didnt service chapter 1 combined with Milton and Ross finding Johns body and figuring out that Arthur is lying,they try to kill him in chapter 2 but fail,also Hosea getting sent to jail instead of being killed and Kieran with Arthur going against O'driscolls during chapter 4 would make for an intresting timeline
@Kany.Gaming Жыл бұрын
🔥🔥
@GALLE103 Жыл бұрын
The italy part is a very optimistic take. Considering the fact that they all speak english only and in the italy of the late 1800s 90% of the population couldn't write or read, let alone understand english, it would have been, at veru best, nearly impossible for them to even try to find jack. Great take tho.
@rdr.outlaw Жыл бұрын
Saint Denis has a high Chinese, Spanish Italian and French population they were all mixed up into one city. They managed to find Jack their after finding some American folk.
@baggmansosa61546 ай бұрын
Man i would love for them to come out with a what if DLC for Rdr2.!
@Tingalicious8 ай бұрын
If Sean lived he probably be with Karen keeping her away from the a drunken death. They may end up like Bonnie and Clyde or this is a very low chance try to go clean like John If Kieran had lived he'll probably be there to help hang Colm then he'll probably stick with Mary-Beth. Than while she have a safe life as writer he'll more than likely try to open/work at stable. If Lenny lived he would sided with Arthur or have been sent away with Tilly and Jack for safety. After that Lenny being educated may have try to become a Lawyer or writer like Evelyn Miller If Hosea had lived post Guarma he won't have control over Dutch anymore. In Chapter 4 we can already see Dutch doing his own thing like with Bronte. Dutch at that point has been stopped by the law and more powerful figures too many times and the carnage he experienced in Guarma has awoke something inside of him. Him coming back he'll probably still think John is a traitor, Hosea is going to betray him or is a senile old coot, and Arthur as both. If Hosea did live he may not have much time, he was 55 and the average at that time was 50ish. It's said his father lived until 75 so if he had lived post Beaver Hollow he may have stayed with John and Abigail. Being the grandfather and positive role model for Jack. He may have left with Abigail at Pronghorn Ranch to keep an on eye on her and Jack, but would have lived and die at Beecher's Hope. Jack may still grow up to be a outlaw but with Hosea's influence I think that Jack after killing Ross would have tried to restart the ranch and live a somewhat honest life but being raised by a Gunslinger and Con-man he made be doing some shady business, especially during the 1920s
@Uncle_Lumbago2 Жыл бұрын
Imagine there was a secret ending where if you donate all the money you get from missions then you’d get to go to Tahiti/Australia
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
No
@AshTheDuke Жыл бұрын
In rdr3 the main protagonist will be the dead ex gang member dude that was shown in chapter 1 they couldn't save his twin brother so part 3 can be two player
@ClassTripp Жыл бұрын
I just want to take the time to give you your flowers, I have never seen such a beautifully crafted intro (I usually skip intros especially if they're a minute long like yours but not this time) from song selection to the visual build up as well as the design of it all in general felt like I was getting ready to watch an official Rockstar Tv Series. Please do not optimize your talents anytime soon, 🙏🏽
@ViperBlitzen Жыл бұрын
Goat Bison lover And Burrito Muncher back at it again
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Yes, yes we are 💪💪
@Dan129-s2w25 күн бұрын
If nobody were to die in the gang there would be like a civil war situation and the gang splits with dutch and micahs gang and making a brand new gang while hosea and arthur would help the rest of the remaining gang (the women and jack) to safety and maybe hosea and arthur die side by side with no regrets
@Icy_Cream94 Жыл бұрын
-What if Hosea survived, and Arthur didn't got Tuberculosis: Probably the whole gang would still togheter at the end of the chapter 6, since Hosea would have convinced Arthur and John to don't leave the gang, and also would have convinced Dutch that Micah was the true rat, killing him in the process, so the pinkertons wouldn't find them anymore. They would still do the train robbery, but probably the whole Wapiti Indians plot wouldn't happen anymore, since it was planned on Dutch's head by Micah since the begginig, so, Eagle Flies would probably still alive, alongside his father at Wapiti. At the end of the chapter, things also would get pretty rough with authorities at Roanoke Ridge, having no other alternative to the gang, than leave the place, and go to New Austin, since is the only Estate they didn't had run for yet. Then would start a whole new 7th chapter, were we would be playing as Arthur at New Austin. At this chapter we would probably see the down fall of the gang, starting by a own initiative of John and Abigail to leave them, scaried with how crazy and violent Dutch was becoming with new stupid robberies and unnecessary adventures (which was inevitable). Arthur and Hosea also weren't glad with new Dutch's behavior, So they plan John's family runaway alongside him, faking his death to all the other members. After that, Arthur and Hosea were betrayed and killed by Dutch when he discovers the truth. This causes on most of the other members leaving the gang, since they thougt Dutch killed them with no reason, but paranoid from his head. At the epilogue, on 1907, we would be abble to play as John Marston at Beecher's Hope, and instead of going after Micah, we go after Dutch in search of revenge at Mount Hagen, but reaching there, John finds out that Dutch was abandoned and left lonely, even by Javier and Bill by now, becoming so lunatic, miserable, and dominated by repentance, that killing him was just doing a favor. So he takes the Black Water Money, and leaves Dutch suffering lonely by Himself in the snow tempest. The rest of the story is the same on rdr1.
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Very detailed my friend 👍
@yamez6482 Жыл бұрын
I think there is a chance Charles and Sadie try and spring John and die if everyone falls in Cuba. But I do believe Sadie would look after Abigail and Jack for a while if they don't go for John like in your theory
@Nax95245 Жыл бұрын
Resume: If the gang was around cuba: pretty much the same on the original story. but if they got killed or worst, epilogue wouldn't happened at all, cuz john would be hanged. If john picked the milk: everyone would be pissed off at him arthur would be a step-dad for jack, till the tb. john would be into another name, and living a "normal" life. till red dead 1 events he would hunt the other members, and getting killed by the end. Everyone getting alive: everyone who got killed on the lore, would be in arthur & john side. and certain members would be mencioned around the epilogue more. Jack being on italy: would be a fun arc then guarma. but since the dutch would had the charisma on bronte, it would turn the same thing like the original story but into another place, and jack having a bit of knowlege of italy.
@brodybicksler Жыл бұрын
As someone that knows maybe 3 words of Spanish, that intro song had me like 💃🏿
@RandomGamerRDR2 Жыл бұрын
awesome video my guy 👏👏
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🤙
@uvaguy816 ай бұрын
If nobody died, I think it would’ve ended up being Arthur, Hosea, John, Lenny, Charles, Sadie, Sean, Karen (because she’s probably not going to become what she became and side with Sean), Kieran, Susan and Tilly against the ones that sided with Dutch.
@vamp__kamp Жыл бұрын
Aye man I’m a new subscriber love this video !
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
🤝
@elperrodelautumo7511 Жыл бұрын
Truly mortal kombat new era could’ve used red dead characters. Maybe twist the whole split between the Dutch gang. Morgan’s faction and Dutch or Micah’s faction. But Dutch shoots Hosea thinking that his right hand man turned traitor. And blames Arthur for making Hosea a turncoat.
@JS-iu3ce Жыл бұрын
That narcos intro was awesome
@unreal7716 ай бұрын
The intro to this video should be the games!
@GOATFEVER6 ай бұрын
I agree 🙏
@georgebarrett8065 Жыл бұрын
What if Uncle didn’t have lumbago
@CoolGuyJordan Жыл бұрын
New upload
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Yup
@The_cheese6473 ай бұрын
Dang two of the yt that I’m sub to are in this video
@Louisisi Жыл бұрын
The narcos intro 🔥
@BufordAckley Жыл бұрын
Found you on Red dead hub awesome vid man
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
🫶thx brother
@BufordAckley Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVER no problem dude
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
@@BufordAckley im in it as well
@BufordAckley Жыл бұрын
@@Waxyyy W
@deadplays9366 Жыл бұрын
bro just makes the best intros
@kaiser.carbone Жыл бұрын
A NEW VIDEO HAS DROPPED, FUCK YEAH
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
@Kimberly-cx9uv Жыл бұрын
Miss Grimshaw literaly died, so no, sadly she ain't doing "Grimshaw things"
@Badabum663 Жыл бұрын
Idk. Kieren seemed pretty scared to go against Bill & Dutch.
@shutdown11716 күн бұрын
I think Sicily would be the location not Rome. One since Sicily fits narrative more due to is criminal and two it's the shooting ground for a lot of spaghetti westerns. Would be a nice nod to the western archetype origins.
@osmanardaguler3069 Жыл бұрын
Bro definitely great video but I've had a stroke trying to read the captions on the playbar
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
I have captions?
@osmanardaguler3069 Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVERIdk what they're called, the things that you see written there when you bring your mouse on the playbar
@GOATFEVER10 ай бұрын
@@osmanardaguler3069💀💀💀💀 omg that was auto generated. WHY IS IT SO MISPELLED
@1CoryFanX Жыл бұрын
In the gang shootout Dutch would go to Arthur’s side due to Hosea being alive
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
Prob not, Dutch don’t care about his people at that point
@Daxyyy Жыл бұрын
Truly a waxy 1 moment in time
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
Hello waxy Productions
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
Stop pulling a Seaneazy
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVER I am seaneasy
@GOATFEVER Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry for your loss
@Waxyyy Жыл бұрын
@@GOATFEVER what u mean
@EthanMcCafferty4 ай бұрын
In the if nobody died scenario i belive that Javier would side with Arthur because i belive that the reason Javier sided with Dutch was only because Arthur was a sick man about to die and Arthur wae injured.