Red Dead Redemption - Story Explained

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Lore Dump

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@connerslone1450
@connerslone1450 11 ай бұрын
Maybe I misheard but I think Neil said that RD1 was set a few months after the events of RD2’s epilogue. It was actually set 12 years after those events(hate pulling an “uhm actually” lol). I think that timing really colors the changes (and lack of changes) found in the characters from RD2, such as John, Bill, Javier and especially Dutch. Love the content, guys! Keep it up!
@opinionpaladin6007
@opinionpaladin6007 11 ай бұрын
I had to double check this. Because I could have sworn at end of RD1 that Jack was way younger than like 25
@casual1118
@casual1118 11 ай бұрын
​@opinionpaladin6007 to me he looks like 20 or 21, but I think he's like 17 or 18?
@StinkleDink
@StinkleDink 11 ай бұрын
RDR2 was 1899, RDR2 epilogue was 1907, RDR1 was 1911 and the epilogue was ~1914. The years 1899 and 1911 were in a lot of the marketing for the games, so it's safe to say those are accurate.
@rjstuller1
@rjstuller1 11 ай бұрын
I find it weird that there is even a debate about this. The in game newspapers always tell you what year it currently is. To be clear: rdr2 1899-1907, rdr1 1911-1914
@kal-eldritch
@kal-eldritch 11 ай бұрын
​​@@rjstuller1There are people that think Arthur and John are like 2-3 years apart in age, rather than 10.
@dopefeesh
@dopefeesh 11 ай бұрын
Neil has been resurrected in pure commitment to the series so he's ready for Undead Nightmare
@rotciv557
@rotciv557 11 ай бұрын
Hearing Neil tell Chase that he'll make him *cry* at Spiderman fuckin set off MY Spidey Senses!
@ProfComic
@ProfComic 11 ай бұрын
A new Lore Dump with Neil in the Chair? My day just got much better. Also nice to hear Neil being healthy again
@candybeans
@candybeans 11 ай бұрын
I don't remember if this was mentioned in the RDR 2 episode, but there, you can find a letter to Bonnie in one of a few locations. Turns out the man you find there was her lover, who promised to return soon, but given that he's dead, didn't. It really adds even more sadness to Bonnie's loneliness.
@lewdogsk8er
@lewdogsk8er 11 ай бұрын
I can’t help but smile like a fucking idiot through these entire streams. Neil’s time in the chair is priceless.
@kal-eldritch
@kal-eldritch 11 ай бұрын
Idk if Neil realizes, I'm only halfway through, but 2's epilogue is 4 years prior to 1. 2 takes place in 1899, 2's epilogue is 8 years later in 1907, 1 is 4 years later in 1911, and 1's epilogue is 3 years later in 1914.
@fall1n1_yt
@fall1n1_yt 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, minute 16 I was like "no... it's not a few months, it's 4 years."
@cdman2021
@cdman2021 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic episode, well done Neil! I just love how the two mainline games have had a trend of Neil despairing over how few pages he’s been over as the conversation has already turned to chaos lmao
@speedboom9392
@speedboom9392 11 ай бұрын
I love that I gasped at the same time you both did when Chase said Superheroes were lower than cowboys. Also Monty I agree. Can’t wait for Chase to see the wonderful world of the two biggest superheroes best gaming outings. CHASE DON’T READ THIS NEXT PART. ONLY FOR MONTY AND NEAL. “I am gonna make you cry at Spider-Man” Neal I agree. I for some reason think that ending is gonna be the thing to really hit chase. It’s one of my favorite moments in both gaming and Spider-Man.
@dgamer0949
@dgamer0949 11 ай бұрын
Another interesting theory I saw from a KZbinr on who the man in black is for the context of this game specifically is that he may be a depiction of Caine from the story of Caine and Able because after committing the first murder God forbids him entrance to Heaven nor suffering in Hell and instead makes it so that he will never die and is left to wander Earth eternally thinking about what he did and what he started. The evidence to support this would be giving John the choices he does seeing how someone very much so like him decides to do things, and that he can’t remember his name because he’s not being coy with John, it’s that he has been wandering for so long that he legitimately cannot remember what he was called long ago.
@Jonnyg325
@Jonnyg325 11 ай бұрын
So, Chase gets a bit confused about timelines here, and yeah, it's fucking weird. The first commercial machine gun, the Maxim Gun, went on sale in 1888, the one in Red Dead should be a Browning M1895, considered old and out of date by 1911. To be really fucked up with Wild West stuff, famous lawman Wyatt Earp died in his 80s in 1929, he literally almost lived to see the second world war. At the time RDR1 takes place New York is building a fully electric Subway system, gasoline powered taxis are common in Paris, and Germany is already building Uboats.
@stannisdamannis4706
@stannisdamannis4706 11 ай бұрын
2:23:52 ross isn’t a Pinkerton by this point anymore. He is a federal agent. It’s implied to be the early makings of the FBI/CIA
@Kris-wo4pj
@Kris-wo4pj 9 ай бұрын
historically the Pinkerton's detective agency became the FBI. the CIA didnt show up until the cold war and they were a special spy force that was set up during ww2 and worked with the early version of the british spy force. fun fact the writer of james bond got all his story ideas from his time as a spy in ww2.
@johntanner1212
@johntanner1212 Ай бұрын
It FBI is mostly internally the United States
@johntanner1212
@johntanner1212 Ай бұрын
It FBI is mostly internally the United States and CIA is mostly spying on other countries
@qrowing
@qrowing 11 ай бұрын
Was not expecting this one so quickly! Absolutely excited for 3 more hours of pirate facts, and Neil's cowboy voice. Haven't played RDR1 since release, so we're basically learning together on this one. Edit: And Chase is going to be doing Yakuza?! It's like Christmas, lads!
@twilightprotige6166
@twilightprotige6166 11 ай бұрын
they need to stop doing games im trying to play cause they make me wanna wait to hear them tell the story
@dragonslayergeorge898
@dragonslayergeorge898 11 ай бұрын
Loving Neil's characterizations. I'm so glad he came back from the dead to give us this amazing dump.
@Sapphykins
@Sapphykins 11 ай бұрын
In response to the timeline funfacts: Oxford university predates the Aztec Empire by almost 400 years (Oxofrd was founded in 1096, Aztec Empire began in the 1420s). Oxford is the second oldest university on earth (predated only by Bologna) and Spanish propoganda painting the Aztecs as uneducated "savages" tends to make us assume it was much older than it actually was, so people are always surprised by the order of these! Things about as old as Oxford: Roman Catholicism (the great schism which split the Orthodox and Catholic churchs into two sepperate demoninations was in the 1050s), the tower of London (built in 1078), the theory that weather and climate change creates the landscape rather than the earth having been entirely shaped by gods (proposed by a chinese geologist, shen kuo, in the c. 1090s), movable type (1040s), and London Bridge falling down (it was demolished by a tornado in 1091, the first of many london bridges to fall down over the following centuries) As for the mammoths, is it possible Chase was thinking of Aurochs? They are to cows what mammoths are to elephants and bison are to goats (i.e. the prehistoric megafauna variant) and they didn't die out completely until the 1600s.
@mrfreddorenton
@mrfreddorenton 11 ай бұрын
You have made KZbin a better place today, and I salute you
@creecher1118
@creecher1118 11 ай бұрын
I'm so excited for this video, and all the projects you guys have planned.
@lockequaman523
@lockequaman523 11 ай бұрын
Yes the 2024 line up is so hype.
@coltonm3888
@coltonm3888 11 ай бұрын
I appreciate the addressing of the comments from RDR2. People dont seem to get that friends disagree on shit all the time
@diogoribeiro2139
@diogoribeiro2139 11 ай бұрын
I love this podcast so much!!! Can't wait for the Spider-man episodes.
@stannisdamannis4706
@stannisdamannis4706 11 ай бұрын
In red dead 2 in the cabin you find the strange man’s writings and it all but confirms he’s the devil. There are more references to deals and those deals not being what you think etc
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 8 ай бұрын
I actually can disagree since the powers the strange man uses are more an act of Karma not something evil or bad. It's killing people but not because he wanted that to happen but the hatred of one bad human
@rangerghost2474
@rangerghost2474 11 ай бұрын
As always thank you for all of y’all’s hard work you guys have been my favorite podcast to listen to. Keep up the amazing work Chase,Monty, and Neil! And have a great day
@DonNinja05
@DonNinja05 11 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this. I'm running out of new long form videos.
@aidan4292
@aidan4292 11 ай бұрын
I def see the man in black as being a devil archetype as he fits with a lot of that kind of folklore, but I also sort of saw him as a personification of the world (the Americas or the dying old West) itself.
@theunbannable4838
@theunbannable4838 11 ай бұрын
Neil is ALIVE!!! Lets go finally the gang is back. Jokes aside it’s good to hear from you guys again.
@rogueraccoon1840
@rogueraccoon1840 11 ай бұрын
Im gonna listen to this during work. Time passes by real fast when I listen to you guys lol
@Shadymiroku
@Shadymiroku 11 ай бұрын
I hope the fun facts stay forever, comedy gold
@Tresadd
@Tresadd 11 ай бұрын
Finally! I replayed RDR2 in between the episodes haha. Looking forward to watching this! RDR is the first game I ever bought by myself when I was a kid, bought it second hand and to this day it’s still one of my favorite games ever, only topped by RDR2, but that one came out waaay later haha
@stolen_stardust
@stolen_stardust 2 ай бұрын
😊
@thehatman7051
@thehatman7051 11 ай бұрын
Y’know, as someone who has played neither game, on the comment of “it feels like an extended epilogue for 2” I honestly kind of like that. I’m big fan of unconventional story structure, and I like that before 2 came and gave us the bigger picture, 1 was just a tiny glimpse into johns life. We’re given control of this legendary gunslinger, but instead of playing through his glory days and seeing his full journey, we’re dropped right into the end, where all that’s left is a sad old man, trying to make up for his mistakes, no more glory to be found, just the fallout
@DarkKnight6six6
@DarkKnight6six6 11 ай бұрын
I assume it's been mentioned by someone by now, but there's a fan theory that uncle is actually Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver. I'm pretty sure it's been debunked, but it's fun to think about
@denniscattermole
@denniscattermole 11 ай бұрын
It's good to see Neil is good and healthy and ready to torment chase in this video thank you for the new upload 😀
@catmanmanson799
@catmanmanson799 10 ай бұрын
"we're doing yakuza next year" holy shit looking forward to that
@arcadia7459
@arcadia7459 11 ай бұрын
Nothing better than finishing work early on a Friday and coming home to a new Lore Dump Now just to go get myself an Adult Juice...
@NightKnight33
@NightKnight33 11 ай бұрын
Not sure if this was answered but as per the US-Mexico border around this time, it was super permeable and blurry, it was actually really common for a lot of Mexican men to get hired to do seasonal agricultural work in Texas/New Mexico and then leave when the planting/harvesting season was over
@matthias6080
@matthias6080 11 ай бұрын
I looked so forward to this
@utsu0024
@utsu0024 11 ай бұрын
Originally I thought the man in black was death but hearing this with fresh ears John saying “damn you” and the man replying many people have refers to people saying god damn made me more lean towards it being god. I still prefer it being death but idk
@Fehorder
@Fehorder 11 ай бұрын
Resident evil did the zero prequel before yakuza, thought you ought to know
@VaryaTheVillain
@VaryaTheVillain 11 ай бұрын
10 minutes in, and we've got catgirl John Marston. no notes. just pure glee from this Lore Dump.
@florallychaotic
@florallychaotic 11 ай бұрын
Lore dump has a new episode out so it's gonna be a great day!
@D-OS_II_Fan
@D-OS_II_Fan 11 ай бұрын
Its great to hear all the boys back together. ❤❤❤
@YetiCoolBrother
@YetiCoolBrother 11 ай бұрын
Clarification: RDR2 takes place in 1899, RDR1 takes place in 1911.
@ianhammock4564
@ianhammock4564 11 ай бұрын
Well, I know what I'm doing for the next three hours.
@Newby1
@Newby1 11 ай бұрын
Here I wasn't expecting this till the 15th or after, cheers lads hope Neil is feeling better.
@andrewswitchblade3556
@andrewswitchblade3556 11 ай бұрын
Neil is back let's go! Love your videos man.
@jormungandr147
@jormungandr147 11 ай бұрын
I think it chases responses and him going "meh" that annoyed people not so much that he didn't like the game
@florallychaotic
@florallychaotic 11 ай бұрын
No cops at Pride but Marshall is allowed to watch from a distance
@kal-eldritch
@kal-eldritch 11 ай бұрын
I find Chase's distaste for superheroes so interesting, considering his taste in media being over-the-top, wacky, (relatively)unserious anime, and games like Yakuza and Kingdom Hearts, because superhero comics and movies absolutely fit into that.
@theroofcat
@theroofcat 11 ай бұрын
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA SO EXCITED!!!! Just woke up too!! Can't wait to listen to Neil :D
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 3 ай бұрын
1:12:50 RDR2 developed Bill and Javier a lot more. In 1 they're just generic bad guys for John to kill.
@Soapy-chan
@Soapy-chan 9 ай бұрын
Bonnie is my favorite character, she's just so awesome
@TimPoultney
@TimPoultney 11 ай бұрын
Did we discuss the theory that Uncle was Red Harlow from RDR?
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 3 ай бұрын
1:50:03 The Mexico part of RDR1 is just like Guarma in 2. Filler to pad out the game.
@FlareDarkStormGem
@FlareDarkStormGem 11 ай бұрын
Ready for the cowboys >:3
@mrfreddorenton
@mrfreddorenton 11 ай бұрын
Cowboys? Nah , they're just land-locked pirates
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 11 ай бұрын
Just what I needed in my ears while scrubbed the shower panels clean by hand lol
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 11 ай бұрын
All in favor of Cowbois and Cowbaes being the way us Lore Dump fans refer to ourselves/are referred to, please say “aye”? Edit: Also, on Chase not liking RDR2- someone said something rather poignant once and it stuck with me- ‘you can dislike something, and still acknowledge that it is a well-made piece of art, the two things are not mutually exclusive.’ Chase not giving with RDR2 doesn’t mean he doesn’t think it’s a good game, it’s just not one he would play/connect with. And the fact that he was so willing to sit here and listen to his friends talk about these games for hours is really lovely imo :)
@LoreDump
@LoreDump 11 ай бұрын
Cowbois,, Cowbaes and CowTheys- aye!
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 11 ай бұрын
@@LoreDump The Lore Bois are the only vote I need, (Fun Fact: the Cowbois, Baes, and Theys are not a democracy), the ‘ayes’ have it!
@mrfreddorenton
@mrfreddorenton 11 ай бұрын
Aye
@rogueraccoon1840
@rogueraccoon1840 11 ай бұрын
2:47:26 I'm leaving this as a bookmark for myself
@lockequaman523
@lockequaman523 11 ай бұрын
Another name that is surprisingly older than one would expect is tiffany which orignated in midevil times.
@perfectharmony9943
@perfectharmony9943 11 ай бұрын
IM LOOKING FOWARD TO THE NEIL LORE AND HOPEFULLY PIRATE LORE
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 11 ай бұрын
27:40 the more i learn about Thatcher, the more i hate her
@coolgamer122
@coolgamer122 11 ай бұрын
oh heck yeah a new episode
@stannisdamannis4706
@stannisdamannis4706 11 ай бұрын
It’s been a few years since the end of 2. Jack is 15 where as before he was 12 or 13
@k1a2r3n4
@k1a2r3n4 11 ай бұрын
Between RDR2 loredump and RDR1 I've bought and completed RDR2 after 100 hours, I bought RDR2 solely because of Niels description of RDR2
@seeminglyseph
@seeminglyseph 11 ай бұрын
hey now, the herding cattle and farming is the part that's what's *actually* being a Cowboy. The other stuff is just the Genre of Western. if there ain't now cows then there ain't no Cowboys XP. you can't complain about your cowboy game having too much of the cowboy part lmao
@thegamedevcave
@thegamedevcave 11 ай бұрын
ahh, back to pirates on horses!
@Soapy-chan
@Soapy-chan 9 ай бұрын
I don't even understand why anyone would be annoyed if Chase said RDR2 is bad or gave it a lower score, like, he doesn't say it's objectively bad and you're not allowed to enjoy it, he's clearly stating his own subjective assessment of the game.
@sasaki999pro
@sasaki999pro 18 күн бұрын
1:15 _No one ever finishes One Piece, One Piece finishes _*_Them_*
@BluenVlogit
@BluenVlogit 11 ай бұрын
That's why they're the goats! THE GOATS
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 11 ай бұрын
Monty, the BioShock episodes are coming out before the end of the year, right? Or am i misremembering?
@LoreDump
@LoreDump 11 ай бұрын
Before the end of January! They're going live for patrons soon and then will be released bi-weekly from Dec 11th - B2, Infinite on New Years Day, and Burial at Sea on the 15th Jan! - Monty
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 11 ай бұрын
@@LoreDump gotcha. I'm a Patreon, so I'm glad that I'll get em a bit earlier :)
@alcran5756
@alcran5756 10 ай бұрын
you guys should do Red Dead Revolver!!
@Reaver000
@Reaver000 11 ай бұрын
5 US Code Section 3108 - Employment of detective agencies Pinkerton Det. Agency and similar organizations. Individuals employed by the Pinkertons or similar cannot be employed by the US government. Known as the Anti-Pinkerton Act of 1893. They committed crimes so egregious that Congress banned them from ever being hired by the US Government. Specifically their strikebreaking and union busting tactics. There's obviously more nuance as well, but that is the gist.
@lazypaladin
@lazypaladin 11 ай бұрын
Red Dead Redemption 3: *_Screw the government, I have a plan!_*
@k1a2r3n4
@k1a2r3n4 11 ай бұрын
I'm excited for the batman and spider-man games but let's be real, we NEED the Guardians of the galaxy game (better than the movies imo)
@mikebearthegamer1365
@mikebearthegamer1365 11 ай бұрын
Let's go chase!!!! One piece is actually amazing, both anime, manga, and live action.
@Quinten-M
@Quinten-M 11 ай бұрын
Oh hell yeah
@florallychaotic
@florallychaotic 11 ай бұрын
I am also enjoying the queer readings Neil is finding in this game, we love problematic gays. Neil loudly saying "GAY?" Made me laugh so hard
@SciontheDark
@SciontheDark 11 ай бұрын
It has the same energy of Freeza in Home For Infinite Losers having written on a whiteboard things he might be able to make fun of Cell for, and on the side is just the text "AM I GAY?"
@thew00dsman79
@thew00dsman79 11 ай бұрын
As an anthropology major, yeah uh, those people weren’t really good, and the good juicy bits of the field pop up more and more after Cultural Relativism is defined: wherein you look at a culture and society in the context of their regions, myths, and general practices.
@sane7527
@sane7527 10 ай бұрын
The Strange man is 'GAVIN', those who know, know
@mortermar1702
@mortermar1702 11 ай бұрын
One Piece lore dump? Uhh yes please.
@EvilGeniusIIpi
@EvilGeniusIIpi 11 ай бұрын
I IMPLORES you to like and comment for the algorithm.
@EE-jp5ev
@EE-jp5ev 6 ай бұрын
Algorithm feeding comment
@creecher1118
@creecher1118 6 ай бұрын
I'm the 100th comment! What's my prize?
@SidPhoenix2211
@SidPhoenix2211 11 ай бұрын
Ofc Chase would like the wacky characters of RDR1 over the comparatively measured side characters in RDR2 lol. It's hard to gauge what level of video game nonsense he will like: some MGS stuff is okay, Resident Evil is INTENSELY eye-rolled at, but somehow... Kingdom of Hearts is great...? Lol. But hey... He knows what he likes when he sees it and he isn't afraid to voice his opinions and I respect that 🫡 lol
@basketballbeast755
@basketballbeast755 11 ай бұрын
Monty when is Alan wake 2 coming out? It’s greater than you could have ever imagined and I’m expecting a 4 hour episode ❤️
@MontyZander
@MontyZander 11 ай бұрын
October! We’re treating it like a “Halloween special” and I want as much time as possible (with new game plus, DLC etc) to get my thoughts together. But it’s definitely going to be meaty!
@basketballbeast755
@basketballbeast755 11 ай бұрын
@@MontyZander awesome! Gonna be a long wait but I’m excited none the less
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