Red Dwarf REACTION | Demons & Angels Series 5 Ep 5 | Gallifrey Gals Get Dwarfed | Americans React

[@CeticWales]

"What if the rest of the show takes place on the stupid bug" Okay, I burst out laughing at that.

[@Andy-wl6xy]

😆😆😆👍

[@clasicradiolover]

😅😅😅😂

[@ppem1988]

😂😂😂

[@Azzthom2]

😂😂😂😂

[@holydiver73]

That’s called foreshadowing 😂😂

[@BlameThande]

This is the one I had to turn off when I saw it as a child at my grandparents' house as it was getting too dark. I will say, however, that's a much, much cleverer way to do "evil crew" than Star Trek's stupid Mirror Universe - you don't have to try to explain how this bunch of vile backstabbers could possibly have survived, or be in the exact same place as our heroes at the same time, as they were only just spontaneously generated!

[@DuncanEvans-t7q]

I find reactions a great way to see shows I've watched a few too many times and have got to the point I know every line. Gives a new outlook sometimes on it. I 1st found your reactions from you showing each other Who and Trek, which was curious to me coming from the days where there was almost a neutral zone between the fandoms (to put it politely). Also your a great yet quirky duo to watch with

[@LostLar]

Just quick reminder, this was a British comedy, the rules on sex and violence are different in the UK. Monty Python, the Young Ones, all pushed the limits as far as they could.

[@UKJesterVids]

and sometimes further

[@SamuelBlack84]

A pity modern comedy is a very pale imitation of what it once was

[@guklgybulgbilguul]

I think the idea with Low Rimmer is not so much he's repressed his sexuality and that sexuality is a negative thing. My hope is they were going for that the worst part of Rimmer is that he gets off on inflicting suffering to others, that they are men was not relevant to him, they are just who was there.

[@MRMIdAS2k]

That was kinda my take on it too. His sexuality isn't the low bit, it's more his desire to do it to unwilling participants. He'd absolutely be the dude who ignores safe words and pushes after a no.

[@MRMIdAS2k]

@@natmanprime4295 Indeed. The trouble with the bad people in a group is they dress the same as the good people for the most part.

[@Swenglish]

@@MRMIdAS2k The way he's dressed is clearly more androgynous, though. That's a choice, and it does have unfortunate implications in the context. He doesn't normally dress that way, but his "low" version does? There's something pointedly queer about this version of Rimmer, both in behavior and in design, and the fact that that's the worse version of him isn't great messaging. Maybe it could be framed as part of him that he's ashamed of, that he *thinks* is bad, rather than part of him that *is* bad, but I don't recall it being presented that way, especially contrasting with the other set of duplicates.

[@MRMIdAS2k]

@@Swenglish While I get where you're coming from, I don't think that's the case. Like, you can have a good Domme and a bad Domme, and they can both dress alike, or similarly, and the only way you find out is by their actions. That's not throwing the entire kink community under the bus, that's a bad person looking like a good person. Same shit happens in all aspects, a bad footballer dresses the same as a good one, a soldier convicted of war crimes wore the same uniform as the one honoured for heroism, etc. Also, None of the crew dress like their "High" versions either, so your point about "low" Rimmer holds no merit.

[@makasete30]

Reminded me of one of the crazy characters out of Max max when I first saw it.

[@jhenrykline]

I don't think that was the intention with "bad" Rimmer. I believe the negative side was depicting how he forces his desires onto others. I believe it was also an extrapolation of his self destructive tendencies.

[@Jimmer93]

No, but Millennial thought processes... 🤷‍♂

[@UKJesterVids]

@@Jimmer93but also costume choices

[@tinblue]

@@Jimmer93 Kat is the worst. She is so full of herself. Virtue-Signalling any chance she gets. I wish they would just watch and enjoy the damn show instead of over analysing it. What millennials also fail to understand is that 30 years from now many of the things they say or do will also be frowned upon. What goes around comes around.

[@paulwalsh2344]

Yeah... the "angel" Rimmer wouldn't force his desires on another person... he'd use the "wormdo" line and then he'd affix her with a mesma-stare...

[@aaroncarter9753]

Exactly, its not deep. He's sadistic and isn't about consent.

[@apm77]

This was the first Red Dwarf episode I ever saw. I certainly think Kat and Paula are reading too much into the sexuality, for reasons that others have pointed out, but at the same time it's OK to be uncomfortable.

[@markc1793]

While i agree that it was very much "of it's time" and they wouldn't make those jokes if they made the episdoe today, i will say that when it came out, i didn't take it as them saying Rimmer being gay was the bad thing, it was more that he was going to do things to Lister without his concent and force Lister to do things with him. Also, you can look at it from the way that the episode was titled Angels and Demons, which is a biblical refrence and the bible has pretty strict ideas of what makes someone good or not, so while you can say that Rimmers portrayal of a "bad" person was wrong, you could also say that the "good" people being super religious isn't true either.

[@PreceptorGrant]

Remember how back in series 2 they had the Holly Hop Drive episode? RImmer's sexuality was deeply weird and borderline abusive in that too. It kinda makes sense that the same guy who has books on how to pick up girls with hypnosis would be the one who went full rocky horror show on the low ship. Totally see your concerns about not kink-shaming, but I don't think that's quite how it was meant.

[@stevewesley3841]

When this first came out I lived in a shared house. Everyone would watch it together and we would talk about it all week until the next episode a week later. it was an amazing experience.

[@ChristopherStendeck]

I know the feeling. I have watched every episode at first broadcast myself. For me, it was my sister and I. Our parents would be watching something else on the big (21"!) living room TV, so my sister and I were relegated to the little 14" TV in the kitchen. We would sit in the darkened kitchen and be glued to Red Dwarf every week. I have such strong memories of that. Especially the big moment in the next episode that made our hearts drop. 😊

[@jimcook1161]

Love Hattie Hayridge cosplaying Siouxie Sioux on the bad Red Dwarf. OK Gals you've met Ace Rimmer, get ready to meet the next great alter ego character in Red Dwarf! That's all I'm gonna say!

[@PaulForeman-indievisuals]

Not.. DD?

[@ianjardine7324]

The Duke of Dork.

[@Tommy-he7dx]

Dibble, Dibble

[@marksmith4949]

Oh he's a'commin'!

[@gregevigan]

New subscriber. I'm old & British so remember this from back in the day. I think most of it holds up pretty well & is still funny. I always loved the episodes with different versions of the main characters. But yes there are some elements which have not aged well (they probably were problematic at the time to certain audiences who didn't have a voice then). We basically have kink shaming in this episode, & casual homophobia in others. The show has always been laddish but I feel for the most part never overly offensive in the way that some laddish shows can be. But there is an upcoming episode from season 10 that includes a particularly nasty slur which feels misjudged at best.

[@VicMikesvideodiary]

The evil Rimmer role here wasn't making fun of gay people ( remember BDSM wasn't an acceptable public thing back then ) it was making him out to be a sexual deviant. I see where you are coming from, of course, but how else would you depict that in a way that doesn't draw it out and it gets to the point? You can't deny sexual perversion isn't real, people go to jail for it.

[@uncoolmartin460]

Well said, I'd add that (for me) it highlights Rimmers inner sadistic streak.

[@UKJesterVids]

Consider that a lot of people think gay people are sexual deviants... If the intent was *only* to make the connection to kink (and I have thoughts on that as well), then leather and chains would have worked at least as well as stockings.

[@VicMikesvideodiary]

@@uncoolmartin460 Absolutely!

[@twofacetoo75]

Speaking as a bi person who's into BDSM, I have no issue with anything they did with Rimmer in this episode. I don't get why people try to find EVERYTHING offensive on behalf of people who don't even care.

[@UKJesterVids]

@@twofacetoo75 I don't really have a problem with how it was written, given the time and everything. I just wish people would stop trying to claim it wasn't intended.

[@georgeowain]

FYI This is the last episode to feature the original Red Dwarf, There were originally two, but one fell from the shelf broke beyond repair. All other footage was stock, until the mini 9th series that featured an all digital Red Dwarf.

[@robertpomfret334]

Cheers for the reaction. I personally like the episode. As regards prejudice in the episode: I came out as (mainly) gay at around 15 years old, probably when these episodes were first airing in the UK. I don't find the depiction of `evil' Rimmer offensive. If they were going to have a sexual target, there's only males on board Red Dwarf at this time And I don't think most ppl would confuse his character with gay people in general (or I hope not!). Ace Rimmer in Dimension Jump is clearly a heterosexual character. But when Bongo (Kryten's alter ego) suggests an encounter with him he isn't offended - just not interested. Of course, there are limits. The idea that a Pot Noodle, even in some ideal universe, would actually taste nice - well, that is repugnant.

[@MarkSW]

That model shot of Starbug taking off while the hanger is exploding... fantastic!

[@xanderathome]

Rimmer that was a negitive self was a sadist, thought it was obvious. Where as his positive self was a pacifist the opposite.

[@AnubisX1]

"What if the rest of the show takes place on the stupid bug" that made me laugh out loud

[@aaroncarter9753]

yep, wry smiles here lol

[@elfboy29]

I think Rimmer saying i'm going to have you is more about just being evil to someone, doing the worst thing he can out of evil, not a comment on the sexuality.

[@Josephine-Padlock]

I actually really like this reading of Rimmer’s character. It makes a lots of sense even though it probably WASN’T intended.

[@cathydraws7895]

right, I just use it to prove my internalised homophobia rimmer headcannon

[@TenebrousFilms]

As I recall, this was supposed to be the easy one, but it turned out to be the hardest one; and Danny burned his toe on that 'grenade'.

[@ScottX68000]

Fun fact: you can see the TARDIS in the hanger as Starbug is making it's escape at 8:00! Mike Tucker (one of the props guys who would later work on the revived series of Doctor Who) snuck it in there. The shot was supposed to be used in Series 3 but it was cut so they re-used it here.

[@Vectorspace000]

And so passes the original filming model of the Red Dwarf ship. They actually blew up the only model they had for this episode!

[@tenmark7055]

Me kippers smoked & at half mast in respect for the passing of our beloved friend. My only hope is that the toaster survived, Im feeling the need for some hot scrummy golden toast.

[@trash80media]

@@tenmark7055 Howdy doodly doodly!

[@TimeLordParadox]

I thought the original was damaged between seasons 4 and 5 and they made up a quick, smaller model for certain shots. Then blew that up. Thinking they weren't going to be doing any more of them.

[@TimeLordParadox]

@@mutate34 Never realised that

[@davidmonaghan26]

​@@tenmark7055do you want some toast?

[@JoeWritesThis]

Love your reactions and honest opinions. Keep up the awesome work. 🙂

[@lexthefirst]

Fwiw I don't find rimmers homophobic remarks about ace to be problematic for two reasons. First, you're not meant to like who rimmer is. Most of what he says is reprehensible or shitty, so his reacting that way is in character. Secondly, the depression angle mentioned that maybe he fears he is gay means that projection would also be in character. The sex = evil thing is definitely just the 80's shorthand for morality though.

[@ClaireWW]

You can read the demon Rimmer as just a homophobic joke, or you can read it as a saying the demons are expressions of everything the crew suppress about themselves; does that mean Rimmer is actually gay and surpresses it, because of his inward homophobia?

[@chrismaverick9828]

No. He's a masochist.

[@ihateunicorns867]

But it’s not real. It’s a comedy. And it’s played for laughs. That’s the homophobic bit.

[@TheycallmeMrWonka]

​@@ihateunicorns867I watched this back in the day and I never saw it as him being gay at all. He was a masochist he wanted to hurt anyone, male female. It's BDSM, I'm not sure why it's being assumed as being a portrayal of a gay person 🤷‍♂️. Even at that, imagine the low Rimmer was just a gay person, as if THAT was evil, but that's not what they've shown.

[@ihateunicorns867]

@@TheycallmeMrWonka He says he’s going to ‘have’ Lister. At the time this was made, being gay was associated with sexual deviance. I know Doug Naylor a bit (my friend’s uncle) so I’ll ask him about it the next time I see him.

[@jonbigger760]

Isn’t the TARDIS in this one? In the cargo bay as they escape at the start. It’s a while since I watched it all the way through.

[@navigator100group2]

I have been waiting for you to get to series 6, the definitive best series.

[@timidwolf]

Pretty certain the low version of Rimmer would have come on to anybody, regardless of sex, he was just pure lust. Don't think it would have read as as funny if he did that towards a woman anyway.

[@mijmijrm]

some episodes are designed to be simply visceral.

[@marksmith4949]

not the Rimmer you want, but the Rimmer you need!

[@martinconnors5195]

Morning Ladies. I've never watched Doctor Who because it didn't pull me in. Red Dwarf was a game-changer and was there for me. Sympathetic.

[@MD-1982]

'The Awooga Waltz' 😂

[@Markus1894]

In fairness the cast don’t much like the episode either - I suspect the intention was to show Rimmer’s dark side as being kind of sadistic, but can see how the coding hasn’t held up well today. It’s not considered one of the greats if that’s any consolation, even if it does have its moments.

[@kildogery]

I've watched every episode of Red Dwarf multiple times already, but watching it again with you guys is fun.

[@kim_o_the_concrete_jungle]

I don't know. Being a goth in the 80s and 90s was all about embracing the dark side. It was a reaction against mainstream media, which was all about being shiny and happy and not showing anything negative. IMO, most people wouldn't have had a problem with seeing themselves on the "bad" side.

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

As a gay man, I was not offended by low Rimmer. As a gay man who gets hot dogs at the cinema, I feel deeply offended and attacked.

[@michaelchampion936]

How about Ace Rimmer, do you think he could go both ways? I did, no disgust at the commander, thought about the offer, but Holly had already given him a better one.

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

@@michaelchampion936 As much as I would like to, I don't think we can claim Ace Rimmer as being part of our community, when he says "strictly butter side up" or whatever that means. He is an ally though, because he's cool with Bongo's sexual advances (or maybe he's just used to getting that kind of attention from other men). What a guy.

[@michaelchampion936]

@theevilascotcompany9255 true, not there, but I'm sure there was a pause as he considered Bangos advance. So straight, but maybe willing to explore. For an early 90's tv show, progressive.

[@BiDave]

I think my favourite part of this episode was the Pot Noodle joke, but yeah it really feels like the writers sat down with a sheet of paper and just listed stuff in two columns labeled "Black and White". It would have played better if Angel Rimmer had shown some wholesome gay/bi/pan attributes, and it's always irked me that they were basically monks. Excellent reactions keep it up (looking forwad to the super cut)

[@TychoCelchu]

When watching a show with someone else it’s like their responses are infectious, in the same way as someone yawning makes you yawn too. The thing with Rimmer is that he’s extremely repressed. Way back he said about his entire sex life had been 12 minutes, and that included the time it took to eat the pizza. Holoship was the closest thing he’d ever had to an actual relationship. Around the time of the show there were also various sex scandals in the news, including some Conservative politicians being involved in BDSM. So it was kind of a play on the conservative and repressed Rimmer who has punished himself in previous episodes, suddenly becoming the most extreme anti-Rimmer. No inhibitions and punishing others.

[@StillABigKid]

I think (and that's all it is. I'm not quoting anything) is the "low" Rimmer is the oft used British sitcom trope of the very prim and upper class people being secretly kinky- we are the home of Rocky Horror after all. But things age and I can't blame you for seeing it as "evil Rimmer= gay". Especially in this day and age. And anyone who don't like their reactions, no one is making you watch. They spent the whole intro saying they wouldn't fake a reaction, so why should they shut up and watch the show" for your tastes?

[@Patriiiiick]

I like how opposite Rimmer has one of those Ferengi energy whips.

[@jasonyoung7705]

The holowhip. its been mentioned before, but its never really explained. in another episode its for the living to use on a hologram, and in this episode, its for a hologram to use on the living.

[@keithsolley]

May have inspired the Sycorax leader Whip from the Dr Who episode The Christmas Invasion

[@mutate34]

@@jasonyoung7705 maybe in the future they're in GELFs or simulants enslaved holograms and they found the whip on a derelict. Makes more sense they'd exist in a "low" universe (tho obv from Holoship we know they exist in the normal universe too)

[@CulturePhilter]

“What if the rest of the show takes place on the stupid bug” 😂

[@bignumbers]

I don't care what you say, kinky Rimmer was hilarious

[@VicMikesvideodiary]

Funniest part of the episode.

[@theseventhnight]

I don't think "bad" Rimmer is as controversial as you may think it, I believe that Rimmer's "bad" version is meant to be a take/riff/parody of the character Wez (the red mohawk guy) from Mad Max 2

[@jpwphoenix1701]

This is one of the reasons why Season 5 is one of the best in the entire show. I’ve always loved rewatching this one. It’s such a typical sci-fi trope to have evil versions of characters but they take it to a whole other level, not to mention the High versions too. There’s a bit of trivia from the DVD commentary where, when Low Kryten bursts through the wall to strangle Lister, Robert Llewelyn accidentally punched Craig Charles in the back of the head on one take! He had a massive lump afterwards.😱😂

[@Angelsilhouette]

Whenever Rimmer would make gay jokes or insults, Lister or Kryten would always rebuke him for it.

[@Icypenguigo]

So I watched this show when I was a little kid, and this episode SCARED the SHIT OUT of ME. It was VERY disturbing to me. Re-watching it as an adult, it's mostly just funny, but I still think it's kinda fucked-up and I still have some residual fear from my young self.

[@SamuelBlack84]

Low Kryten is particularly creepy

[@NZBigfoot]

The thing I think to many people in this day and age dont understand is that in old comedy like RD or Frasier where jokes were made towards aspects of sexuality and the like... it wasnt that we were laughing with Rimmer calling Ace gay, we werent laughing at lower Rimmer being a 'nasty gay guy', we were laughing at Rimmer for being a complete bigoted gimboid, and the extreme ludicrousness of low Rimmers portrayal. When Frasier or Niles get all uneasy about a 'gay' situation we werent laughing 'hahaha gay is funny' we were laughing at how stupid, repressed and silly their reactions to such things were (especially given their supposed high socialite life styles which you'd think would make them more tolerant of that). You even see it way back in the 60-70's comedies where you'd often have a bigoted character in some way, and some clearly 'gay, not gay' character... often even though it was funny, the character who was bigoted was still in many ways put in his place if he went to far, and sure often the gay bash jokes got people to laugh (I know i did)... but we knew it was just a joke and we knew the message being conveyed, and we even got to laugh doubly when you had a family member or co worker who completely missed the point and actually agreed with bigoted character (although usually behind their back)... a character like Mr Humphries from 'Are You Being Served' , as camp and bent as a pink tent in a wind storm but the guy was funny as hell, we knew what he was and we didnt care, and when he was treated badly we'd laugh but we'd also be on his side... there was no malice or bigotry about it, but yeah some people did look at such characters and go 'haha stupid gay'... but those people will always be part of society, but thankfully in a small minority. I personally think this 'dont go there' mentality of modern times with certain subjects has neutered comedy and turned it into a bland boring safe thing. Comedy is a way of looking at things that need to be discussed wrapped up in the cushion of humor, if you censor what comedy can discuss... it breaks that entirly. Although this is from a non American perspective, as British humor is often self derogatory and weather its straight, gay or anything inbetween it can make fun of itself knowing only the truly bigoted bastards will get the total wrong end of the stick of it, and then we can all turn and laugh at those people together.

[@UKJesterVids]

I mostly agree, except that these days the bigots are running things, so normalising "ha, ha, gay is funny" doesn't work so well. Much like normalising "non-con sex is funny"... Times change. It was OK (but lazy) in the early 90s, now you've got to be sure you're hitting the right tone. It's still possible, but it takes more thought to get it right.

[@glenmcculla6843]

I still definitely want to see 'Die Screaming With Sharp Things In Your Head'.

[@djco5782]

This channel has definitely made me laugh harder at certain Red Dwarf scenes, like the Double Polaroid scene, than I have in 25 years. Your opinion(s) on this episode is exactly as I expected too, and much the same as mine.

[@The-Cosmic-Hobo]

In terms of watching content with ya'll and what I get out of it, I think I'll always go back to seeing how you two reacted to Earthshock. The fact that ya'll could shed a tear for Adric meant a lot to me, especially knowing you had never even seen him before. I'm not exactly a social butterfly, so I enjoy 'sharing' this experience with you, watching some of my favourite shows. Now, if you'll only watch Fatty & George (ABC, 1980)...

[@Senkoau]

Speaking for myself you can never truly recapture that first time watching something but watching someone else blind lets you get share in it a bit through their responses.

[@johnmince6311]

For me, reaction videos are like sharing something I love with a new friend. Keep up the great work!

[@mutate34]

personally - I find low Rimmer hilarious in his because it brings up his series long theme of cross dressing, repressed feelings for Lister, (why would he think Ace was gay for him unless he had a little himself?), boarding school sadism etc. However - people bring their own feelings to comedy, and a lot of the people in these comments yelling about "wokes" and "snowflakes" seem way more hysterical and offended than the girls in the video.

[@firefly24601]

Exactly. Ironic those people are getting oversensitive to people they think are being oversensitive!

[@tenmark7055]

Sharp eyes will spot the Tardis making a 1 second cameo by the landing bay doors and the Bug takes off. Ive seen the photo but missed it again!

[@duncmcrae]

So which doctor was it? And why was the doctor there? And if the doctor was split in two also, was this the OG “bigeneration”?

[@tenmark7055]

@@duncmcrae Dont know, but Id suspect the 4th Doctor. He'd appreciate the antics of the Boys From the Dwarf.

[@josephshaw6998]

No idea if anyone's mentioned it, but when the crew blast out the closed doors from the OG Red Dwarf, you can see the TARDIS sitting right next to the doors on the right.

[@martinperry5072]

There's one thing about the time of these series such as Friends, is that probably for the first time gays were being mentioned on main stream television. So what if the people are a bit campy if it made being gay more acceptable? There are gays on British television who are actually more campy than Mr. Humphries from "Are You Being Served?"

[@jduc005]

one small silver lining to the rimmer stuff at least - demon rimmer also clearly has consent boundary issues, which makes the pill at least slightly easier to swallow

[@XCerykX]

Oh no, the foreshadowing they inadvertently said 😂

[@MichellePamelaLyons]

I would agree with your comments on Low Rimmer, and I'm a late period Gen-Xer. At the time this sort of thing was (considered) fine, but I can't help but feel certain things like that - which were very prevelent in 80s / 90s media - helped keep a lot of people in the closet. I think media literacy is important, but a lot of people in general still don't get the sheer influence and damage certain tropes can do if repeated enough times. That doesn't make me hate the show, or want anyone to be "cancelled"... but it is a thing worth calling out. One thing that I haven't seen anyone comment on is the curiously conservative attitude to horror films / media in general in this episode. They may make a bit of a joke about it ("Die Screaming With Lots Of Pointy Sharp Things In Your Head" is an amusingly daft fake title), but the fact that it's mentioned by one of the Lows as being an "evil" thing, plus the association with Kryten's statement about things that "are designed to sicken the soul and shrivel the spirit" or whatever it was he said, comes off as rather silly and way more censorious than they'd want. I suppose that can be explained by the 80s "video nasties" scare we had in the UK, which a lot of US film fans from the time will also have some knowledge of. Stuff like the Evil Dead films had only recently been unbanned for a couple of years at the time this episode was made (and even then with some large cuts), and it wouldn't really be until the late 90s and early 2000s when that sort of thing properly eased up. (The uncut version of Evil Dead wasn't approved for release until 2001.)

[@duncanmcrae-spencer4518]

Weakest show in the strongest series. But remember, many wurlitzers are missing and this is NOT a daffodil.

[@panthershadowwalk]

I don't think they were bashing the BDSM community, rather they were highlighting Rimmer's terrible personal attitudes when it came to sex. you yourself mentioned it back in season 2 where they went to the opposites universe where female Rimmer gave male Rimmer a taste of his own disgusting views and way of being. Rimmer is there to be that foil, you're not meant to like Rimmer.

[@jonathanross149]

I watch people react to content that I love to see it again for the 1st time. I think it's why we really hate spoilers on content channels.

[@marie0030]

Rimmer only made a pass at Lister and i think there's a reason for that i think deep deep deep down thay long to be friends but would never admit it. If it was anyone else it would be weird.

[@mconnaghan]

Another quality cats and cats video!

[@geese5061]

I think reaction channels in general are about shared experience and indulging in empathy for entertainment. I get swept up in people’s responses to shows and movies, especially emotional responses and often find myself crying along too when it’s a reaction to something emotional and I love that about reactions.

[@anthonygibbs-gv7qp]

Great reactions gals love ur views on each episode red dwarf is like a roller coaster it goes up and down and thats what each episodes in every season does so keep it up u will both enjoy episode 6 the series finale its a good one take care gals stay safe keep on getting dwarfted

[@SketchyMagpie]

This was always one of my favourite episodes as a kid, as mentioned previously I love it when theres a bit of horror in there. This one stuck with me!

[@swanchamp5136]

The spider scene always makes me feel ill.

[@JohnDoe-vy6ju]

Low Holly, all two seconds of her, forever lives rent-free in the head of my inner adolescent. Fun fact: They actually really blew up the original model of Red Dwarf that they'd used for all those transition shots since S1 to get that explosion in this episode. Oops! As for the collective/observed viewing experience: well, we can watch the show over and over again (and many of us do) but we can never truly watch it again for the first time, without knowing what's coming, and there is something fun about watching someone else watch it for the first time, watching them not know what's coming and trying to guess, sometimes being wrong but other times being right. It does, sometimes, "freshen" the episodes somewhat.

[@brianm1608]

Another great episode. Very cleverly written as usual. But... No spoilers but next it's the BIG one - probably the most shocking episode of all. 😮😮😮 Can't wait to see what the Gals make of it. Good job they're sitting down...

[@zDom]

Everybody's newest favorite character.

[@brianm1608]

The Despair Squid... Not knowing if this was the final episode... 😮

[@ericmcintyre5591]

fun fact for you girls if you watch closely when star bug leaves red dwarf you can see the Tardis

[@TechyMantis]

The model of Red Dwarf blowing up is the original studio model, so they are not able to do new shots with models after s5

[@TheLeccY]

Such a funny episode, love it , love all red dwarf

[@kildogery]

The philosophy of "reaction channels" is a future area of study, for real.

[@KatAlysha]

Couldn't agree more

[@Tiggermk4]

This is not the series’ best episode, to say the least…but the next one is very good, almost iconic.

[@Stephen-Fox]

I wouldn't say watching you is a more intense version of watching it, but watching people watch things for the first time is next best thing to being able to watch things for the first time, so I get a bunch out of it, and you wearing your heart on your sleeves more than you would watching for yourself is probably part of that. (And I enjoy the often heavily tangential long intros) On... Rocky Horror Rimmer... I _think_ what they were going for was a Hellraiser (and specifically Cenobite) parody rather than having any actual intentions with it - S5 of Red Dwarf would have been 4 years after the first Hellraiser film, so the timeline fits pretty well for riffing on that franchise in popular culture. I agree with you that it doesn't actually work, mind, for pretty much the same reasons, and just because I don't think they meant anything by it doesn't mean it isn't perpetuating... What you said.

[@SamuelBlack84]

Why can't we just watch it rather than analysing the moral ambiguity?

[@aaronmcmahon7462]

Did you spot the TARDIS? A model of it was placed in this episode (an out take filmed in season 3). Some of the effects team (notably Peter Wragg and Mike Tucker) worked on both Red Dwarf and Doctor Who.

[@ameyer1970]

I seriously can’t wait until next week. You’ll are going to be so sore from laughter.

[@aledjango]

I coincidentally dreamed that I was within this episode last night 😅

[@S.J.MORTIMER]

Interesting concept that you can be "too good". I was expecting the good versions of themselves to be perfect but it's like without the negative aspects of their personalities they couldn't function properly. They were so keen to see the good in everyone and everything that they were too trusting and too gullible.

[@UKJesterVids]

I think that's part of the point; without both sides it's not possible to function properly, and people need the mix of good and bad

[@deanthemachine8879]

4:07 I’m normally keyed into the emotional moments of your reactions until the snacking begins on mic. My misophonia goes bananas and it takes me right out of it

[@Hornet71]

Don’t be put off by this episode. The next one is great. Probably my favourite of all.

[@danclifford1027]

Yep, top tier next time out.

[@Glittersword]

They forgot something every D&D player knows by heart. "Lawful Good does not mean Lawful Stupid".

[@UKJesterVids]

90% of the time, unfortunately, it does

[@Wannabe_Baby]

Please don't use terms like "gay-coded". It enforces negative stereotypes. By saying Frasier and Niles were "gay-coded", it implies that straight men acting that way is somehow out of the norm. Like they're not "allowed" to enjoy the opera or wine or there's something "other" about straight men with Frasier and Niles' mannerisms. The reverse applies too; straight women aren't "gay-coded" if they enjoy sports, wear plaid or drink beer. Gay women aren't "straight-coded" if they dress more traditionally feminine or like to cook or want kids. "Coding" is just another way of stereotyping people.

[@twofacetoo75]

Yep. I've never understood why people are okay with 'coding' when it's literally JUST stereotyping people, but repackaged into a nicer word.

[@LukePellen]

Anyway... I think you girls will like the last episode and see Series 5 as an overall brilliant one.

[@ArtfromHell]

The feels transference is real, BSG will be a massive kick in the feels. Never got the feels from Red Dwarf, too young to know what was what.

[@ghostdoomkilla]

i love how you thought your singing at the start was so accurate that it would get blocked haha - i mean, it was epic dont get me wrong, bu I think you will be fine tbh haha

[@bananasaregood8655]

In the model shots with starbug flying out of red dwarf thare is a little model tardis at the side of the runway as a little easter egg

[@GallifreyGals]

Can't believe we missed it! Gonna have to go back and watch it again for that moment!

[@bananasaregood8655]

@@GallifreyGals its only certain shots, when starbug model is going down the runway towards the screen. I think the tardis model is on the right hand side of the shot. I think they reuse the same model shots from series 3

[@SteveHodge]

At least for me the experience is not as intense. This is mostly due to you not being able to show a lot of the actual show due to copyright, and partly due to me already being familiar with the material. Watching reactions is a way of vicariously reliving the first time experience but the emotions are never the same as the first time you see something. This is why a lot of viewers put weight on reactions being first-time reactions and why expressive, emotional reactors tend to do better. So you're doing it right!

[@Draegarth]

I agree that the insecurities and comments towards Ace we a bit meh by todays standards and felt a bit schoolyardy but I feel Rimmer's Low character was played in a way that came across that if the High's would have been female versions of the crew Low Rimmer would have treated them in exactly the same way. And it wasn't BDSM. No control, not pleasure through pain, no safe words... dude was just a sadist that wanted to whip someone half to death and have his way which again clearly comes across in the way he's played.

[@tigrecito48]

i love the episodes where they do different versions of themselves

[@DEGriffSoc]

I get what you mean about the performativity of emotion. Performativity in the proper sense: the actions you take to produce the watching form the emotions.

[@cathydraws7895]

My main disappointment with the episode is that it has so much potential for character exploration, especially if they went the route of what they think is their best and worst traits. So instead of all of them being spiritual/gross maybe high kryten could have been human and low kryten be a complete servant/more robotic. high rimmer, super smart, confident (basically ace) low rimmer, either actually explore the internalised homophobia side instead of making a joke, or just super cowardly and meek. Cant be bothered to think about lister or cat but you get the idea

[@Chorleypie]

When I first watched this many years ago I thought the punchline was going to be that the evil Rimmer turned out to be identical to the everyday Rimmer.

[@andyc8257]

I don't think the intention of Bad Rimmer was to suggest being gay was bad. I think they were going for "sadist" and the Rocky Horror look was a cheap shorthand for it at the time although it doesn't come across well when viewed with a modern perspective. Overall it's not the best episode, the idea is probably better than the execution. The next one though, well that may very well be the absolute pinnacle of the crimson short one.

[@mutate34]

i wonder if he didn't have panties but was just dressed like Rob Halford would it be different

[@UKJesterVids]

@@mutate34 interesting alternate example :) I think the anti-metal brigade had cooled down a bit by the 90s

[@mutate34]

@@UKJesterVids he was in a BDSM industrial group in the 90s..making up for lost time according to his book (he only had some brief secret sex in the 80s apparently)

[@carlhartwell7978]

12:00 Thanks Paula, I didn't really want that mouthful of tea any way!👍😂

[@Brug98]

in the future there is one episode, where I also wanted to cry a bit

[@ala5530]

I knew this was going to be an episode that would draw a number of (honestly, relatively predictable) opinions out of you. And in fairness, you're not wholly wrong: a number of the jokes and stereotypes used can be harmful, and have definitely dated poorly. However, I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't seem to pick up on the more transgressive and problematic undertones (particularly with Low!Rimmer, but it shows up with all of the Lows): the point wasn't the sexual preferences (implied or otherwise), but the lack of respect for other's consent and bodily autonomy. (on a lighter sidenote- I don't know if the subtitles on the video you're reacting to are autogenerated or not, but they're not always accurate. In this particular episode, for example, Cat doesn't actually reference Aruba. It's the "awoogah waltz", as in the sound of an alarm klaxon.)

[@liamwhite6451]

Perhaps the autogenerated system is controlled by Holly?

[@SamuelBlack84]

I don't understand why everyone takes it all too seriously and just laughs at it which is what you're supposed to do

[@tigrecito48]

watching something with other people makes you enjoy it more as well... for example... the movie - The Big Lebowski... I never found ti that good when watching it on my own.. but when drunk with mates its really funny and enjoyable to watch.. so.. im guessing you can feel more and enjoy things more cos you feel like you're with a whole bunch of people who like you.. not just on your own..

[@williamcrowe2576]

I'm not sure, but I think next week will be "Back to Reality".