Red One MX vs BMPCC4K

It's been a while! We decided to do a complete unscientific test between the BMPCC4K and the Red One MX.
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[@LeoNelBuilds]

I think the reason I love the RED ONE is because of that green tint it in some of the dark shots... it gives me all kinds of 2000's movie vibes which is not a bad thing...

[@MamoAir]

Nice one guys. Was just looking for other BMPCC4k shooters and found your channel. Stay tuned and keep up the good work. Love this camera! New follower

[@mcjayred]

Thanks Aaron and Kat, these videos were very helpful and you actually inspired me to pick one up yesterday :) I did my first camera test this evening and I am very very happy with the results :) I believe the Red has a very organic texture baked into the digital negative, its like the sensor takes the light and instead of reproducing the light as captured, it decides to blend and paint that light onto a creamy canvass behind the sensor to create the final image, that's why it feels heavier, more filmic and dense. The best way I can describe it is like this, the newer cameras capture images too pristine like IPhone pics, however, the Red captures and reproduces images like a nostalgic Polaroid in a digital format, the digital noise even emulates film grain so each image from the Red feels very nostalgic and very tangible. I have an Ursa mIni 4k, it is a great camera too, but its like you gotta work on the image to create that organic canvass vibe that the Red automatically produces. Thanks for making this video it was a massive help, keep up the great content and big shout out to Mustin too :)

[@gurjantsinghfilms]

YESSSSSS ! Been waiting for a red one video for such a long time! Love the videos guys 🤘🏼

[@AaronandKat]

Many more videos on the R1 to come!

[@salmosdelanoche]

Loved the video. I was eagerly waiting for an new vid. Thanks guys! You are easily in my top creators. You deserve way more views than you get

[@AaronandKat]

Wow, thank you!

[@carsonbailie]

I would’ve guessed the other way around, I much preferred the BMPCC4K in this test. Great video though!

[@aristomenis_k]

Absolutely! Really happy with the results cause I own the pocket!

[@mahdiyussuf9804]

Awesome comparison! Wishing your channel super success 😎

[@PresentDayProduction]

Hey guys, thanks so much for these videos, we just picked up a Red One MX here in the UK largely thanks to your videos, and it’s awesome! She was named Ruby by the previous owner, but we’re gonna call her Ruby Mcpoodlesmith. We should hold a ceremony. I think she has the hots for Mustin 😎 Thanks for the great vids, really useful content, great filming work, and we love your presentation. Thank you! ❤️❤️

[@ErikvanElven]

Great video, thanks for making this. Beautiful images, slight preference for Cam A.

[@katlis]

This is what I struggled with earlier this year when I sold my Sony CineAlta F35 (2008) for a Pocket 6K. The F35 had a beautiful organic image (and global shutter!)... the end result was just like film, albeit 1080p, but it was also 26 pounds modestly rigged up. For a one-man-band like me making short films, it's just not practical. Moving to BRAW also opened my eyes to more flexible color grading. I really loved the P6K too, but now I landed on the best of both worlds: URSA Mini Pro 4.6K. Beautiful sensor, SDI, I still have BRAW, and it's not so tiny that every vibration is amplified like in the Pocket cams. Anyway, that was my similar journey, thanks for sharing yours (and great footage btw!)

[@AaronandKat]

Haha we are dealing with the same struggle! We have been on the fence about selling the R1MX and moving to the new Canon EOS R5 or R6 but we will miss the Red if we do. For now we will hang onto it. The Sony F35 is such an amazing camera! Glad you are digging the newer BRAW format from Blackmagic. Its really good!

[@moe10380]

Love your videos guys!!! Keep it up👍

[@AaronandKat]

Thank you so much, Moe!

[@MrJayclas]

You’re doing a create job at Convincing yourself to keep the red😁

[@Drrezzin]

LOL

[@DGVFX]

Great comparison subbed!

[@JosephLombardi]

The original MX sensor on the Red One just had a really nice look and feel to the image, there's an organic quality to it. The BM sensors haven't reached that point to me yet. The more recent Red sensors haven't piqued my interest in the same way, but that original MX was so special. Also, I know seeing these side by side on KZbin won't truly give you the full picture. But just seeing how the skin tones read on this test I can say the MX is way more desirable.

[@skitownstreetcred]

Great video guys! I feel the thickness of the RED.

[@BryantShotEm]

I’ve been watching you guys for a WHILE now, and you’re the main reason I bought my Red One MX. I absolutely love it and I film all of my music videos on it. You both made very interesting points. The only downfall is the REDs weight, BUT as you said, the RED is a cinema camera. The film look the RED puts out is.. just.. Heaven like. Great video both of you, god bless.

[@AaronandKat]

Wow thanks, glad to hear it! We love ours as well, and I agree, all the weight and hassle, is well worth the image it produces!

[@girafingo9280]

The image out of your Red is insane next level cinematic goodness. Only problem is that the Red looks like some sort of a doomsday device from a James Bond film.

[@AaronandKat]

It does look like a doomsday device hahaha!

[@MaxLib]

How is that a problem though? Haha

[@huddieentertainment]

@@MaxLib right that's badass

[@Drewdoode]

Awesome video. Wish you two still posted!

[@Rebelfilmsnet]

Love this. I just bought my first redone Mx this year and it is heavy as hell, but it’s worth it I think

[@AaronandKat]

It definitely does! We love ours 😃

[@BrendanCescon]

Wait, so the BMPCC4k with a speedbooster effectively has a larger simulated sensor size/field of view than the Red One MX? And shallower depth of field too?

[@holdmedear]

love this!

[@RudyAyoub]

idk why I thought id look this comparison up today and saw that you just posted this lmao

[@mahdiyussuf9804]

Fancy seeing you here, dude! ✊🏾

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

@@mahdiyussuf9804 agree

[@chadbeatydop]

Love the vid and comparison! My Red kitted out is around 30 lbs using SSDs. And yes, the Red is very filmic "out of the can", especially when applying IPP2... Yeah, it's heavier, but you could always just get stronger... LOL! I've shot a couple VLOG style spots with the Red One MX...I say go for it.

[@jasonogg8341]

What lenses do you both prefer on the Red One MX?

[@Filmtour]

great comparison! also had to decide between bmpcc4k and a used one Mx... I went for the bmpcc4k because its a bit easier to carry around :D

[@carlosayala1941]

Thank you so much for this video, it makes me want to keep my RedMX more and more, I was thinking to get an Arri Alexa classic but having the option to film with 4.5k is very helpful, my last movie make it because that. Thank you so much

[@jamiewilson8699]

Looking for a cheap EF mount solution to replace a RED ONE MX PL mount in Australia. Any suggestions?

[@LiterallyJord]

Do you remember the lenses you used on the bmpcc4k here?

[@tomvonlanthen5513]

Wow the footage looks awesome! How did you grade it for the pocket? did you simply used the basic bmpcc4k video lut? I really enjoy watching your content and can't believe you only have 2 thousand subscribers! I'm sure it will rise quickly! ;D All the best!

[@AaronandKat]

Thank you!! Yeah we were trying to get it done quick so we basically set them both to Rec709 profiles, in reality I should have taken the time to match them better.

[@WillvonTagen]

Love it! Nice work guys. How are you enjoying Washington? I am considering moving there from Berlin next spring..

[@AaronandKat]

It’s really great so far! We haven’t seen the actual rainy season yet, but I’ve heard that after Berlin weather rain here does not seem too bad! 😀 The nature here is absolutely gorgeous, as well as the city itself!

[@angelsvsdevils4444]

well done comparing!

[@productionssnowland]

I slightly prefered the BMPCC 4K, but the two cameras look quite good. I think that, if I had to choose which camera to work with, it would be more about ease of use than image quality.

[@AaronandKat]

Yeah! We use our BMPCC 4K everyday and love it so much! The beast R1MX is more reserved for short film stuff, we think it's a little more organic looking but by the time it goes on KZbin it's almost impossible to see a difference.

[@TheToneWork]

Agree, even without the price gouging of the Red, I prefer the less contrasty look of the Pocket over the Red.

[@filmbyakiljoefield]

It's amazing to see a camera that costs so little hold its own against a camera that costs so much. I'm not gonna be biased and say the BMPCC4k is better because I don't own a RED, however, the image coming out of this little body is pretty AMAZING!!! The RED still has a slight edge over it in terms of the image quality (which is expected for that price). As a Sony Filmmaker, I have seen all I need to see to conclude that this camera (BMPCC4k) is the BEST investment any serious Filmmaker can make & I am going to get myself one. Yes we know it takes rigging, has no autofocus, poor battery life, etc but it was designed specifically for SERIOUS Filmmakers. Thank you for this test, it was well done!

[@TwistedFilm]

this was a great, great video. you think you didn't have much but you did. the RED ONE MX is the only camera on the market that was created to simulate film. every other camera on the market today is too digital, that's why the look straight out the the RED camera looks more organic and film like where as the POCKET 4K looks digital, even with this video that you did and KZbin"S compression rate I can still see the RED's organic film look. this should be the go to video for anyone who ever wants to see the difference from digital to organic film look. great video.

[@sonnybrown4758]

6:43 could be the sensor size too giving you then feeling of weight. Besides that I remember one of the higher ups at ARRI talk about their image being more dense. I'm sure you can find this talk on youtube somewhere. It was an interesting talk. If you were to think about it in terms of processing muscle, the RED sensor is probably a much more capable of giving that data to the processor (think cache, bus and ram speed on a PC) and the processing muscle itself probably being much more intense in the RED likely really stacks each frame with image data. Blackmagic always seems a big mushy to me. I've had several. I like the image, it's just a little fake. Or "magic" in that it's kind of faking the process of getting a dense image. Not sure how else to explain it. The image blur they've always toted as a feature to look more filmic, but I really think it's more of a way for them to get away with a lense densely processed image and market it in a fancy way. I've shot a lot on both and RED (and ARRI) images are just so packed and full.

[@angelicaa4273]

Where is table from?

[@barclaymovingpictures3041]

Great comparison! Loved the video. The Red separates itself from the bmpcc by rendering colors in a more reduced / refined palette. (That’s something an ARRI does too) Highlights / Shadows display less vibrancy & color deportation. It’s a dramatic image, giving you a „look“ right out of the box. The Blackmagic on the other hand is more scientific, retaining color range in shadows & highlights better while capturing a higher dynamicrange. With time the grading Suite you can adjust the look to match the red - knowing blackmagic however, this takes time & finesse. My suggestion would be: For drama the red will shine under controlled lighting conditions - especially in action genre or similar. In corporate, ads or documentaries the blackmagic will give you an image that’s closer to life & can be adjusted down if needed.

[@AaronandKat]

It's a shame but KZbin really degraded this organic quality and depth the RED has. We went ahead and uploaded raw clips of both cameras for you to download and apply your own gamma profiles and color grade. We like the crunchy look of the gamma profile on the RED but it probably wasn't the best profile to use for a comparison, a lot of people prefer the lower contrast look of the BMPCC 4K profile. Therefore, we wanted to make sure you have access to the raw files for both cameras, especially the RED in redlog gamma so you can see in much greater detail how these cameras compare. KZbin compression sure doesn't help! We also included a log profile screenshot so you can see the RED without so much contrast. Peace! Screenshot: drive.google.com/file/d/1L4SEnJo9Sz6WOlAg40egqt0EqfQaTBMe/view?usp=sharing Raw download: drive.google.com/file/d/1oOrGOMIimS8H41CT4gVT6GPmdczwrgAp/view?usp=sharing

[@PavelNebo]

I think that "depth" u talking about is just a liiil bit more contrast at Red image, which can be easily added to bmpcc4k footage

[@danielaragao]

You guys should make a narrative feature film together. Is there a way to try to hack the Red One Mx to make it more power efficient?

[@facuuaf]

The dead giveaways were: 1. The RED has a shallower depth of field since it's larger than Micro 4/3 (the speedboaster can't change that, DOF is the same). 2. REDs always have this huge green tint in the shadows and midtones 3. Since it's an older digital camera the highlights are just a bit more blown out, and it's native ISO is 160 rather than 400

[@namonty4]

I honestly thought it was the other way around. I really didn't think the P4K would look better than the RED. I was wrong. The DR was better. It looked more cinematic, where the RED had more of a "video camera" look.

[@eyalgreen8285]

I agree with everything except the last part, I think the RED has way more of a filmic look straight out of camera. However I think the RED One MX is obsolete at this point, the BMPCC4K won in basically every single category except for filmic look (in my opinion), and this can be corrected in the BMPCC easily in post or by using filters. These guys are clearly very biased towards the RED and are convincing themselves to keep it imo

[@eyalgreen8285]

@@TheTillmanSneakerReview Fair enough, I've personally never used BRAW so I wouldn't know about that. I personally shoot on older RED and it works great, but I would definitely have preferred if I went back in time and bought a more modern "cinema" camera like a FS7 or more likely a UMP G2. Way sharper and more modern image, WAY easier to use.

[@CCozart]

Part of the appeal of the Red is the sensor size (about 35mm). As with the BMP6K, 35 mm sensor, you can see the same increase in "out-of-camera" dynamics.

[@JoeCnNd]

She nailed it with the it looks like the social network. I like that look.

[@PVCLime]

The RED has less dynamic range and thats why I think it gives it a more "film look" image. And off course its another sensor. Im into this and I like old stuff and so on. But I think the BMPCC4K is a better choice if you dont have days for production, tripods, steadicams etc to use it. Would be fun to own though!

[@queerfoto]

The red footage is way sharper for sure, but I honestly liked the BMPCC better 🙈

[@AaronandKat]

The BMPCC is pretty incredible for sure!

[@skullerhead6150]

@@AaronandKat You shot in Braw buth wich compression?

[@WecanWinJesse]

I like how the BMPCC4k is working throw it wt some Carl Zeiss lens and good corrections and youre straight.

[@BigBlobProductions]

I'm pretty sure you can match the Blackmagic to the RED with ACES color space in Resolve. I do love the RED One MX. The weight and form factor does force you to use proper hollywood camera skills, that being said, the Blackmagic can be used with the same skill set and is vastly preferable to use in guerrilla filmmaking as it is easy to jump in, set up, shoot, get out. Also, being so compact and light weight does allow you to make your setups faster which can allow you to be more productive on a shoot. Additionally, it's high sensitivity does reduce the size of you lighting package, which also saves a lot your budget. Both cameras are fantastic, I would love to shoot on a RED ONE again.

[@kelwahlund2552]

And the smoke/haze rolled back in today.

[@nikinik7503]

Yes, more details and depth.I don't know why, but I thought that A is Red, because for me B looks less dynamic range in the sky.

[@pipopipo6477]

Nice comparison, thanks for this video! I used to shoot on the Red One in film school and I own a BMPCC 4k now. I agree that the RED has a slightly superior image (more cinematic somehow). I think they are equally good cams and you can achieve the almost exact same look with either of them. It's really incredible how a 13 year old cam can still hold up with cameras of today...!

[@N.Mendes]

The Red one Mx just has this unmatched feel to it, almost filmic that only the old Arri Alexa classic has too.. I don't know where you guys are based but you should definitely join the Red Komodo users group on Facebook and ask if someone in your area has a Komodo for a comparison, a sort of "Legacy vs New era" Red side by side, a lot of people would appreciate.. Keep going and Salute from Paris!

[@nicholasboule5134]

The alexa mini and classic have the exact same sensor and image. all the alexas are the same

[@andrewgonzalez6208]

Great work. I want to make videos like this

[@AaronandKat]

You can do it!

[@maconins123]

Love the bmpcc but it just looked a bit more videoesk compared to the red. Unbelievable how great this camera still looks

[@beamsgr]

That was wild - I liked Camera A more AND I thought it was the Red One MX, which was wild. Camera A was softer, which was especially noticeable with the field shot with the wheat in the foreground. When I saw that shot on Camera B it felt more jerky and too much of the wheat was in focus and so it was almost assaulting to me as the viewer (if that makes sense). I also didn't like the green tint in the downtown shots from Camera B. In the end it was two different cameras that provided two great images that can be used for different approaches to creating films - no way to lose with either one.

[@gravitymediapro]

Got it perfectly! (Backwards)

[@klatchabobby]

To be completely honest, as someone who has had the pocket 4K for 2.5 years and who has never owned or planned to use a RED, I was thinking the whole time that cam A had to be the RED because it had a much softer dynamic range, and it didn't have this super intense contrast that I was seeing on cam B, especially in the field. I felt as the test went on, I prefered cam A more and more, especially in the low-light portion, the whole time thinking it "had to be the RED" since it had a much higher initial price tag, but I was wrong. Turns out, the one I prefered 90% of the time was the one I already had, go figure

[@HiFiMediaTokyo]

The Red One is untouchable, nothing beats the OG!

[@ilya_wavestudio]

Hi, Aaron & Kate! Thanks for your videos, tutorials and such a nice sound, light, composition! It's so great...i'm really glad to subscribe on yours channel. Share this video to all my friends. Вы очень крутая пара! И действительно хорошо работаете в паре) А это, на мой взгляд, редко можно увидеть) Процветания Вашему делу/каналу на youtube) Cheers!)

[@IJOSoundVideo]

My eye loved the B. RED it is then.

[@AllTheBeef]

Just use the RED Scarlet-X. Same Mysterium-X sensor, lighter package, the scarlet also offers lower compression ratios for better quality image. Even in 2021 I still use my Scarlet-X for some projects.

[@News_Today]

9:36 480GB Red mini mag = BMPCC 4k+ Samsung T5 500GB+ Viltrox speed booster.

[@AlexanderZakalov]

nice

[@NathanKatash]

do this test with the new gen 5 color sciencs and next time if you talk about dynamic range look at blackmagic iso dynamic chart it will change your resoults completly

[@AaronandKat]

We went ahead and uploaded the RAW files for everyone to download so you can compare them with any color science you want. Cheers!

[@NathanKatash]

@@AaronandKat where can i fine the footage?

[@RLScottWonderStudios]

Knew which one right away

[@maddiehad]

it looks like it has more depth cus the images of the red literally has more bit depth there fore it can hold more information and resolve more detail....btw thought b was the blackmagic camera though.

[@testowykana1763]

It funny how hype over Red cameras has influenced some of the viewers here. BMPCC4k has noticeably better dynamic range - that's the reason RED has "already color corrected" image. It's 2022 now, camera hardware has improved so much in last 15 years, it's really crazy. I'm sure that if an asteroid would hit the earth and destroy all other cameras except BMPCC4k ;) and filmmakers would use all the gear they normally use when shooting movies with it, then no one would complain about image quality, it would still look fantastic.

[@colemowery]

I think I preferred the colors on the pocket 4k, but the micro jitters were so obvious that it was a small camera

[@TheDominicballard96]

The Red looks organic and filmic where the pocket camera looks too digital.

[@hoozentroger]

The difference is small in broad daylight but gets massive as shadows are introduced. Even tho the difference might seem small, its that small difference that will decide if the footage will look like a holywood movie or just a neat video. Same with lenses. Yes photo lenses look almost the same as expensive cinema beasts, yet that tiny difference will make it look something else. In theory it might be possible to make a bmpcc footage look "The social network" with grading but where exactling will you find someone who can achieve that? And the guy might cost more than buying a RED. Nothing to complain about the blackmagic, but this have just convinced me even more that grabbing somthing like a red is worth.

[@amthemusic7632]

I think a healthier battle would have been the BM6k, Canonc70, PanS1H or SonyA7SIII

[@Elusive_Pete]

The thing that separates R3D color science from blackmagic is the uniformity. All the hues seem to be even in saturation, whereas I feel the blackmagic has a particular issue with certain hues (red channel) clipping earlier than the others. It throws things out of whack. You need a real good LUT to address this.

[@petero1068]

The Red has the soft look in it, but you can emulate that with some diffusers on the BMPC 4K, but then you won't gain muscle mass -- BUT then at least you save money on not having to buy an EasyRig. ;)

[@stranstudio]

I only follow this channel because of Kat 😄. JK, keep up the great work.

[@Stephie_L]

Cam B looked more organic....Same problem is having too much gear and weight. I think the best middle ground would be the pocket 6k and then renting a good cine lens like the Atlas Orion. For smaller projects just get some good vintage Canon FD. It's never going to look as organic as the RED but unless you are shooting often or have your friends work for free as your crew it really is too costly to get the more professional camera.

[@theindependentcinema]

Rich colour profile!!!!!!

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

honestly i didnt see a difference between the,. looked good both.

[@dpc4548]

I could make a panasonic gf2 look like these things. These days all cameras are much a muchness. What you pay for is the flexibilty and ability to do anything you want with it. The gf2, for example, would require a shit tonne of work to get there and it's fixed. These cameras require less work and give you options. So, between these two higher end cameras, either is fine.

[@DAveShillito]

Well that was a surprise, I thought Camera A looked so much better and assumed it was going to be the Red.

[@simonc4764]

I like camera A better. More DR in the highlight is better than in the shadows

[@gundarsmiks4889]

The problem with any Black Magic camera. Is that it feels like video, not cinema! Nr1 reason is in camera sharpening. It sharpens too much. Its the same what phones do now, take shity picture and just aply sharpen algorithms. Actualy they look very close. I could tell that second one is Red though. Because the first one looks like video. Like camcorder... Maybe it would help if you would get rid of all the possible sharpening for BM. And all contrast in camera while shooting. That might help a little. And then if needed add post sharpen.

[@ionluv]

Owned the red so long I could tell right away the red was cam b. Before it was even showed. Just because of how low light was handled on the black magic.

[@drachenfliger1368]

The name is kinda cool in it's on ways🤣

[@jera3]

Love these! I'm impressed by the pocket 4k, but to me the Red One wins in "film look". I'm kind of old school as well so

[@jackbarron8880]

I actually preferred camera A in this test....was sure that it was the RED....

[@istominmusic]

Вы сравниваете разные кадры. В поле вы сравниваете камеры, но в Pocket 4K вы не попали в фокус и конечно в таком случае RedOne смотрится круче, поскольку имеет лучшую резкость. Когда вы сравниваете лицо, то фаза лица разная, свет падает по разному. Как можно такое сравнивать? Для более точного сравнения нужно было камеры ставить рядом и снимать одну сцену, а в результате сравнивать один и тот же кадр, а не разные.

[@blazingheartproductions]

I was so glad I guessed right on the BMPCC. (Because I just bought one and also can’t afford a RED!) The RED looks more saturated for sure (harder contrast too) but I liked CAM 1 better on every shot.

[@blazingheartproductions]

And by the way, I just finished my first piece using BlackMagic kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWGnpHmvo9aisJo

[@woodsonsworldedutainment8028]

Color correction for bmpcc would make it unrecognizable. I’d personally stick with the bmpcc4k. Currently I have two 4K’s and is about to purchase the 6k. A person can have a full quality studio for the price of just one Red Camera.

[@vincentbrunet7929]

Red One is better for me....Wooow !!

[@RX793]

BlackMagic to me looks so digital... of course red is digital as well but it doesn't look so digital. Definitely more organic. I've seen so many tests on KZbin and BlackMagic just doesn't do it for me, yes some footage looks nice but not really for cinema. There was one music video using BMPCC6k and some grading where it kinda look like Red, but it still wasn't convincing to me.. getting close is cool but seems like one have to do extra work just to get it close to that look, where Red a director spends less time worrying about that and having one less thing to worry about.

[@user-go6rd3kw7e]

Now we are in the northern ocean motion the computer

[@EricBernath]

why asking about buying a red one in a world of red komodo ...

[@jayclas4023]

Wifey is bias to Red🤣🤣🤣 I preferred the Pocket 4K

[@thebrothersthre3987]

Man I guess wrong. 16 bit color should make a difference vs 12 bit.

[@ariruishalme4403]

Easy... Red has that magic.. its a movie cinema camera. But you can Sixten and colourgrade pocket etc.. i say never sell red as long you can film with IT.. and red cameras are getting smaller and not that expensive like red Komodo?? Was it

[@intrinsiccinema7374]

I dont think this is a fare comparison. the red has a much larger sensor

[@Evgeny_Voronin]

The girl 👍 👍I loved her in

[@andrewgonzalez6208]

It has more contrast

[@AaronandKat]

It definitely does with the RedGamma profile we used. I'm personally a fan of more contrasty images but we should have used RedLog instead and graded them closer to match but didn't think about it!

[@noahbako8826]

i vote for the red

[@olalekanalonge9545]

BMPCC looks better for me. It has this film like colors.