Red Ryder gets new after market spring kit and now gets over 350 fps. “It’s a Daisy!”

[@congerthomas1812]

Neet, could never get one apart as a kid to better it. Crossman pump came along. Welding rod is by strength 60 series low with 70 the 100,110.

[@brianwilke592]

I don't know much about welding. Wish I did. I went to Ace Hardware and saw regular welding rods were over $20. I went cheap with the aluminum, for $9. I saw where you can use a butane torch to solder if needed, so I figured I'd save money, and get some extra use. As I said in the video....nope. Ironically, the steel rod cost only $4. In frustration I went to the store...the chain is called Home Base....and just looked around for something that might work. Thanks for commenting!

[@1boortzfan]

What a great video! I knew one could buy an adult sized stock for the Red Ryder but I never knew one could buy more powerful springs,

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for watching!

[@aceroadholder2185]

Did training in Army basic training with Red Rider BB guns in the 1960s. Learned to hit Coke bottle caps pitched in front six or seven feet away while shooting from the hip. This was training to shoot the M-16 from the hip. Handy skill to have in Vietnam.

[@brianwilke592]

That's a great story! I re-looked to be sure, but the book I featured in the beginning of this video actually did mention that. There are several photographs of a line of Army recruits with helmets and LBE's shooting Daisy BB guns at Fort Benning in the 60's. They called that "instinct shooting" training. Glad it helped you out in Vietnam. By the late 80's, when I went through Basic, that was long gone.

[@1boortzfan]

@@brianwilke592 When that program first came out in the 60's it was called Quick Kill. Daisey quickly changed it to Quick Skill.

[@brianwilke592]

@@1boortzfan Imagine that. Daisy was Always big on public relations.

[@mikeyerke3920]

I can’t believe how consistent it was! Nice work, and nice video!

[@brianwilke592]

Thank you!

[@DarthJermz]

Making mistakes is your path to perfection. Great Video!

[@brianwilke592]

Yep. And thanks for commenting!

[@RestOModDaisy]

Wonderful video! Liked and subscribed and thanks for the shout out. Good job on your Super Thumper, always glad to see folks moddin' thier Daisy's and showin' 'em off. You're right about the mainspring compressor tool, you gotta have a strong one!

[@brianwilke592]

Wow! Thanks Shane! I was already subscribed to your channel, and watch it often just to learn a little about some of these old Daisys. Your passion is contagious, so I am honored that you would subscribe to my channel! Oh, and thanks for putting out the video on how to make the tool; it was the only one with specific guidance.

[@crawwwfishh3284]

In the 70$ they had real power.

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for commenting; I just now saw this, sorry for the delay.

[@JohnLong-ch1mc]

Wow Brian that was a good jump in FPS. I did the same thing the summer of 2023 and my Red Ryder only went from 280 up to the 330 range.

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for commenting. I can tell you it wasn't my expertise, you know that special little touch. Regardless, a jump of 50 fps to 33 fps is still pretty good (still puts you at about 1.2 ft-lbs, vs my 1.4 ft-1lbs) especially for a low velocity bb gun like the Red Ryder.

[@LCPederson]

Very enjoyable video. Nice work.

[@brianwilke592]

Thank you!

[@alexnowak5322]

I did this as a kid probably around ten years of age. Found a very old daisy in a friends barn almost unrecognizable but it was a daisy and the spring was in tact. My young engineering mind went to work as you just did and yes it was a feat to get the spring in and slide the top pin , especially at my age, However i got and boy o boy did that thing shoot! It would bust coke bottles and penetrate plywood for a short time any how as the trigger mechanism was too weak to handle that older thicker spring tension and that was it for that daisy. I soon aquired a Sheridan silver streak and never looked back😊 Great video and thanx for the memories 👍

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for watching! Thanks for the story! Tinkering is always fun, but even better when one improves what is being tinkered on. Maybe one of these days, I'll get a Sheridan. They have some pcps that are a little out of my price range right now. But they look really nice.

[@trevorjameson3213]

Excellent results and great video that was fun to watch as usual. I upgraded my Red Ryder too, about a year ago, but I only installed the spring and not the tube thing. It made it a little harder to cock but it's not bad. Over my chrono it's doing around 330fps give or take a couple of fps. That's noticeably better than stock condition, but not as fast as if I had the larger diameter air tube like yours does.

[@brianwilke592]

The one I bought was the "Silver Package". I think I got it on recommendation of either a Restomod video, or North Pine Woods (i think that's the guys name) video. Have a Merry Christmas, my friend.

[@ADAM-qr7bi]

👍thanx for the links also looked good too after you got done w/it. I also had bought that same CHRONY. didnt work for me glad urs worked

[@brianwilke592]

My Caldwell is no doubt more precise and trustworthy, but it only works in the sunlight. Last year I tried using puck lights to get it to work inside during the winter, and that turned out to be a failure. Let's hope this little one works through the winter, so I can test inside. Easy enough to convert mps to fps, even though it supposedly is supposed to work with fps.

[@renterp]

Excellent video. I can appreciate you sharing the "don'ts" so that others don't make the same mistakes. Once again, your art work absolutely sets the bar. Incredibly realistic. Have a Merry Christmas homie.

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks, my man! I really appreciate your comments, and your videos, as well. Have a Merry Christmas!

[@renterp]

@@brianwilke592 absolutely homie. Thank you as well :)

[@blademan175]

Hello Brian, just found your channel and subscribed! I love to modify my guns too. I have only done a few air gun videos but want to do more soon. Thanks for the video and have a Merry Christmas!

[@brianwilke592]

Well, hello there Blademan. I clicked on your channel. Subscribed. Looks like we are on the same sheet of music! I'll be checking out some of those videos, and have a Merry Christmas yourself!

[@Indiana424]

Love the attitude, and i have been there! Happy Holidays! Cheers!

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks! Happy Holidays to you too!

[@larryreese6146]

My older brother bragged about his Red Rider being able to punch through 2 sides of a Prince Albert can. By the time I got mine in the 60s they wouldn't nearly come close. But I did get an occasional blackbird.

[@brianwilke592]

I remember thos Prince Albert cans. Seems like there were a lot of them just laying around. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@larryreese6146]

@brianwilke592 my older brother grew up mainly in the 50s. He was 11 years older than I was and by the time I got mine in the early 60s I guess they had weakened the springs but I learned on it. But by the time I was 13 I had a shiny new 22 single shot I'd picked up and sold a mounded up pickup bed of walnuts to get. Ordered it from a Montgomery wards catalog and still had enough money to buy 2 boxes of 22 amo for 25 cents a box. How times have changed.

[@brianwilke592]

@@larryreese6146 Boy have they.

[@tim8767]

Merry Christmas!

[@brianwilke592]

Same to you!

[@greg4161]

Very nice! Substantial increase in fps

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks. It's a daisy now!

[@bobhope4949]

Lol I had one back in the day…… my moms lawn ornaments didn’t stand a chance…… hard to deny bb holes lol

[@brianwilke592]

Now that's funny, no matter who you are, to quote one of my favorite comedians. 😄

[@cnjhendricks]

great video! I may upgrade mine too. I got the cheaper $35 noname chrono that clamps on the barrel off amazon and it works great, no features but it reads every shot no errors. I see all the other utubers using name brand chronos getting errors half the time. Sometimes you cant beat cheap.

[@brianwilke592]

I like my Caldwell, but it has to have bright sun. As you also live in TX, you know that it gets a little cloudier and the days are shorter so testing outside can be problematic. I tried puck lights last winter, but they were way, way off on my Astra Cub video, so I decided to use this one for the winter. Hope it holds out, even if it gives me mps only. Weird that It requires my shop lights (bright lights) off. Anyway, you have a Merry Christmas!

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Hatsan USA in Rogers Arkansas has great break barrel pellet rifles less than $100 if you can get used to to 50lbs cocking resistance but that's modable if necessary too. Other than that inconvenience, it's great power for a low cost. Some come with a nice scope package sometimes too.

[@brianwilke592]

I've got a Hatsan 1000X Striker Wood Spring Combo .177 in my "saved for later" box on e-bay. It looks really intriguing, and I'm a huge fan of wood stock. I know Rodgers is home of Daisy, and Umarex has a big shipping center there, but didn't know about Hatson USA being there. The Hatsan I'm looking at is listed right now at $165 though. Thanks for the tip. I'll look further.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

@@brianwilke592 hatsan spring striker on Amazon, less than $99.

[@patrickmcgee8556]

I had the gold anniversary daisy back in the 70s but as per usual my older brother broke it...still mad at him for that

[@brianwilke592]

I had a chuckle when I read that. Seems like that kind of stuff happens quite often. Still communicate frequently with my older brother. We share a lot of experiences/memories.

[@user-xj3bv1wg8dcyclone]

Been shootin my red rider in my basement range every day ...good video brian...merry Christmas 🎄

[@brianwilke592]

Thank you, and Merry Christmas too you as well.

[@randymartin5521]

The Red Ryder I bought at Walmart about ten years ago doesn't even compare to the one I had as a kid in the early/mid 70s. The new one barely broke 300 fps brand new. I have no idea what the velocity of my old one was. I do know the trajectory of my new one is much more of an arc than my childhood one.

[@brianwilke592]

I am pretty sure Daisy got a little scared when the government Karen (Consumer Protection Agency) tried to ban the Daisy 880 in the late Clinton years because it "was too dangerous." Cost Daisy a lot of money in legal fees to fight it.

[@scottbehl216]

Apparently they made the spring stronger back in the day !!

[@brianwilke592]

That's what I'm thinking too. I didn't have a Red Ryder when I was a kid in the 60's, but a couple of friends had the equivalent of a Western Sky, the shorter verison of the Red Ryder without forestock. When we played Army, sometimes someone would get hit with a bb, and it only stung. No way it was going 350 fps, so, I'm thinking by the 1960's Daisy had already made the decision there were too many lawsuits on the way if they had the stronger spring. Have no clue when they did it though!

[@Chris-2-of-3]

Fun video. My first air rifle was a Benjamin from the 1960s. Don't have it anymore. Do these Red Ryders use air anymore?

[@brianwilke592]

The Red Ryder is just a spring action air gun. But the spring compresses the air and the sudden concussion pushes the bb out, not contact with the spring mechanism. It is not like a pumper, though, because that requires air to be compressed in a container with valves. Daisy's 880 is like that. The old Benjamin from the 1960's I think was the pumper, although a very nice one. I bet you wish you still had it; they are worth some bucks, even if only for restoration only!

[@ealingwest5750]

I my youth growing up in the 60's I would have swapped all my Batman & Superman comics for this wonderful weapon of mass destruction and gone straight out hunting big game, well wasps anyway as there were no Elephants or Tigers around London. I might even included my Man From Uncle pistol with silencer (think it was a cartoonish copy of a P38 with suppressor)

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for the wonderful comment! As a child of the 60's, playing Batman and Robin, and watching Man From Uncle too, I know exactly what you are talking about. I think one of my friends might have had one of those Man From Uncle pistols. I had a Davy Crocket long rifle with wood stock, and it seems like a Mattel M1 Garrand, cheap plastic. My dad didn't like guns, but my grandpa did, and he had a Crosman 760. I grew up in Cuba, Illinois, a town of 1,400, but similar childhood memories!

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

And the eye patch industry rejoiced...

[@graphixkillzzz]

i couldn't believe how many comments i had to look through to find someone who made a "poke your eye out" comment 🤭

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

@graphixkillzzz classic holiday tradition to many still probably

[@markst.pierre9731]

Brian your Daisy Christmas special idea this year is brilliant. I wonder how well received a replica of the first Daisy BB gun would be among air gunners if Daisy outdoor products made a batch and pitched them over the Holliday period?

[@brianwilke592]

Depends on how much they would charge. It probably would cost a lot to make, since it would require new tooling, and probably need a strong spring package like the Cobalt327 package. I know from general comments on other videos (not mine) that when Crosman came out with the 100 Yr anniversary walnut 362, there were a lot of bad remarks about it because of the price. I figured the cost over a regular 362, and didn't think they charged too much, and went ahead and bought it. It was worth it for me....I still think that is my favorite of all my airguns just because of the feel, and how it shoots. I haven't changed it a bit, and still take it out to shoot just for the heck of it...you know get back to basics. Others, however, say they could get a really hot pcp for the same price. So it would be interesting...I would definitely look into buying one...but it would be a big gamble for the corporate bean counters at whatever financial holding company on Wall Street that now owns Gamo/Daisy/Crosman and who knows what else.

[@markst.pierre9731]

@@brianwilke592 I think you have good points. I was thinking of using existing components and adding an anodized aluminum (colored like the thick clothes hangers) stock and tag it with a fancy retro name. I guess making a cocking barrel with attorney approved ratcheting anti-bear trap mechanism would be an expensive gamble. I got an anniversary 362 also. Price was ok (I waited until the initial price was dropped) quality was not there. My first gun would not hold air overnight and had a rivet in the pumping arm catching. I had to send it back to get a different stock and forearm and valve work.

[@stevewilliams1197]

Good job!

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks much

What a fun upgrade 😁😜😊

[@brianwilke592]

Indeed!

[@RezCaliber.177]

i need to do that mod to mine ...it HAS to be done 👍👍👍

[@trevorjameson3213]

It definitely helps, you'll like it with more power. I didn't do the whole kit though, just the spring only. Still shoots a lot stronger than stock, around 330fps.

[@RezCaliber.177]

​@@trevorjameson3213...it shoots through wood now lol ... That's awesome 👍👍👍 I was thinking about doing this when I first got mine, but I forgot about it ... Thanks for reminding me buddy ...

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for dropping by. I checked out your channel, and saw you did a couple shorts on the Red Ryder. Also noted that cool Marshall Amp you got. I taught myself to play guitar, and did a couple DIY of those about five years ago. A couple turned out pretty well (I featured one only once on my airgun channel....you have to go to about the 11 minute mark on my video about putting the metal breech on the 362, where I played my homemade little 3/4 scale Tele (bridge pickup only). I also did my own Telecaster with Cherry Apple color with all genuine Fender parts to include the body ($300, ouch) , using NoCaster pickups. I don't play that much anymore, because now I'm getting a little arthritis in my left thumb, even light action can get a little rough. Anyway, we have some common interests, so I will check in on your videos now. (subscribed) Good luck on your modification. As long as you get the tool made, it shouldn't be a problem. I forgot to mention in this video....that 3/16th steel rod only costs $4. Have a Merry Christmas!

[@RezCaliber.177]

​@@brianwilke592... Nice, thanks Buddy, yea, I'll check out your videos sometime 👍👍👍 yea, my marshall amp I'm using now with the 2x12 cab, I made into a head from a 15 watt combo amp, ...I think it was 15 watts, might be 10 watts ...but yea, have a code 100 head also, but it only works through the headphone jack, I have to get it repaired... But yea, I'm thinking about putting some music on my channel, dunno yet ...

[@usualsuspect5173]

Fine video thanks....can you diesel a BB gun?

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for commenting! I am not an authority of any kind regarding dieseling BB guns, or pellet rifles. Short answer: I don't know. Nuanced answer: I would think "no" You are basically adding an oil residue to the bb, and this will eventually coat the smooth bore surface of a bb gun barrel. I had this problem with the newest version of the Crosman 760, which is a smoothbore. I tested it with both pellets and bb's. It did okay with pellets, but with bb's it was like shooting knuckleballs. They were all over the place, but in tight groups. A commenter suggested that the oil was causing the rotation of the bb to spin sideways, much like a spit ball in baseball. So I cleaned the barrel of all oil debris, and the gun shot much more accurately with bb's.

[@user-xj3bv1wg8dcyclone]

Yeah I thought the forearm was plastic...it's wood .dah..lol...does the stronger spring make it harder to cock?

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for commenting. It does make it a little harder to cock, I noticed it right off, but it isn't that significant.

[@grassroot011]

Try putting some oil in the tube, that consists of the barrel. Get more oomph for the Hydraulic affect.

[@brianwilke592]

I put some pel oil on, and a little bit of sylicone on the tube edge of the plunger. But I have no way, not involving a lot of a lot of labor, of quantifying how much difference it made. That said, I'm with you 100%. Thanks for commenting!

[@1924ab]

Is that the same spring that’s in the 499B model?

[@brianwilke592]

No. I have a 499B. Only shot it probably 50 times. Great BB gun! I'm saving its further usage for a future video. After doing this video, and seeing how the spring kit worked, I looked on Cobalt327's e-bay store page to see if he had a spring kit for the 499B. He did, and it is specifically for the 499B. There is no tube, like the one I showed in the opening scene where I showed the kit. Apparently, there is a less expensive 499. He cautions that kit will NOT work on the less expensive 499....it has to be a 499B. I ordered the last one...it just got here yesterday. I haven't even opened the package yet. He advertises it will get the 499B from 250 fps to 400 fps. Check with his site...just Colbalt327 now and then to see when he has some up for sale. Mine ran about $25. Good luck.

[@LeaveMyFreedomBe]

Be careful, the ATF will define it as an assault rifle...

[@brianwilke592]

Without getting into politics too much (I will go there occasionally on Rumble), I'm with you there. Crazy times.

[@faroutgolf3650]

@@brianwilke592 Got ya..

[@bobhope4949]

Think the triggers different now

[@jhackett9482]

Your chronograph can be set to fps. Just push and hold the square bottom button, quickly release when it says fps. It doesnt default so you have to do it each time its turned on.

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for the info!

[@bobhope4949]

I did end up taking it apart and not putting it back together

[@brianwilke592]

I can understand the frustration. I set mine aside a day or two until I figured out to resolve the problem that was holding me up. No sense in making it a bad experience. It'll still be there once you decide to try again, or once you decide it wasn't worth it.

[@ilijabosnjak76]

Nope I went AEG I can’t cock The gun due to shattered shoulder about You that’s your business I care not none of my business love from Kenada and ❤

[@brianwilke592]

Thanks for watching!

[@1bunnybuster]

my new crosman full auto co2 will do 430 fps. just sayin.

[@brianwilke592]

Yea, that's comparing apples and oranges, though. I had a C02 pistol from Crosman about 7 years ago that was semi-auto. Since it was a pistol with a very short barrel, it probably didn't even get to 200 fps. Broke it trying to tinker with it. You win some, lose some. I heard those Crosman M4's are pretty cool though. Is that what you've got?

[@1bunnybuster]

@@brianwilke592 Yes it is the M4 rifle. I also have the adult size Red Ryder and I like that too.