Red's Overpriced "Mini Mag" Cards - The Real Story

[@travisbounds4746]

I love Pissed off Linus, he's had a gripe with Red for years! but he's right to point out their BS

[@whiskeyjuliet]

Full Linus sass engaged

[@squirrelhallowino29]

i love sass linus

[@Palligretar]

Sassy Linus is why I wake up every day.

[@fithos65]

You can see the rage filled nuclear meltdown just below the surface, especially toward the end lol. I don't blame him

[@5at5una]

*looking at Apple and Intel

[@DragonNexus]

"Red claims this is to protect the user from accidental deletions" *Off camers scoffing laugh*

[@JMPERager]

RED: Protects users from accidentally deleting files. Also RED: Puts that very same data at risk to save money. Perfectly legal con artists.

[@comicsansgreenkirby]

Nice catch

[@BinkSayres]

good catch

[@emranhossain893]

Stupid people and big corporations. Those CEO'S gotta get outrageous bonus with tax breaks!!!

[@trashcaster]

@@JMPERager Not to mention, now you can delete ALL your data with a button press, rather than 1 video.

[@DarioDAversa]

2,500$ for 1TB ?!?!?! I feel absolutely 100% NOT sorry for Red.

[@flameshana9]

You have no idea how little value money has to a huge chunk of people.

[@marcd7332]

If you think that’s expensive you should look into movie production budgets

[@michelbruns]

Trung Lê Quốc People are also ok with the Camera Price 50k etc. which is just over exaggerated because the thing it self would cost.. like always.. only a few 100$

[@wojciechmuras553]

*APPLE HAS JOINED THE CHAT*

[@dork5456]

They're marketing it to commercial production studios. That's why they can mark up the prices.

[@PhaktTheIsolationist]

Wait, RED charge $1450 for a 480gb ssd? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

plus tax , hahahahaha

[@omalakastisgitonias]

well at least it comes with an adapter and 2 pieces of aluminum XD this reminds me of Apple, "BUY A MAC FOR 5000$ AND PAY 1000$ MORE TO MAKE IT STAND" hahahaha

[@anothernoob9110]

@@omalakastisgitonias That MAc actually has a reason tho, the standard price for the ''default'' configuration of the industry that that Mac was selling itself towards is 18k dollars minimum, managing to match in quality to that standard(if they actually do, but alas) in just 5k dollars is a big fucking deal. And the 1k stand would be the support fees.

[@omalakastisgitonias]

@@anothernoob9110 dude, these guys at LMG ran a way better tower config with mac os at way less the cost. plus, i would be ok with the mac plus and the mac stand being that pricy IF they could actually get it right bcz i've seen 99% of all who own a mac and stand fall apart.

[@nageen123naz]

@@omalakastisgitonias lol the display is 5k the mac will be another 6-30k

[@Barryhick186]

$20 ssd in a 50k camera. How many millions did they spend on RnD to make that decision.

[@abhilashmridha420]

They say a few millions lol.

[@RonLaws]

About the price of a Starbucks coffee. (over said coffee)

[@ElZamo92]

Well, someone over at RED must have spent a couple million of their brain cells trying to look for a valid reason to sell $20 SSDs at a 5000% markup.

[@OkOk-tu3gc]

Wait 1tb ssd for 20 usd? Buy me some of those ssd's.

[@ninethirtyone4264]

@@OkOk-tu3gc absolutely, if you buy few hundreds/thousands of them.

[@jameswhitehead6758]

Future LTT Video: Making a RAID 1 M.2 RED Mag replacement.

[@you900001]

This please Linus!

[@gekkenhuis4863]

Do this

[@Kamiloza]

This is not possible basicly becouse (as far as i know) there is nothing that its have RAID controller on this form factor that can fit into camera's MAG's enclosure.

[@rawdez_]

@@Kamiloza it doesn't have to

[@dawidmx]

​@@Kamiloza it could be made longer with some sort of ribbon cable connecting the drives inside

[@motoranticsnick]

Me: why is the mag so expensive Red : you gotta pay for the repair for when it breaks. Me : but I haven’t even bought it yet Red : ItS gOINg to BrEaK

[@skipatrolslayer]

Reminds me of the John Pinette you gotta buy the warranty bit, lol.

[@alidan]

cost of data recovery built in... more reason to go black magic

[@hankbizzo5]

Think they call it Apple logic..

[@Utopik5]

I wanted to upvote your comment but it has 666 likes. I hope it stays that way. Why? For the glory of Satan of course!

[@TinchoX]

Yeah, basically

[@vwabi]

Jinnimag: "Red is selling crappy 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars!" Linus: "No, Red is selling **regular** 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars."

[@mesicek7]

It is crappy since it's fucking low end tier. They're basically selling you old Crucial ssd drives instead of top tier Samsung's

[@crispylizard8295]

@@mesicek7 even top tier samsungs wouldn't be worth it hell intel sells fucking OPTANE pci-e 480gb ssd's for $850, $550 less then RED's regular 480gb SSD's

[@wta1518]

@@mesicek7 no, they're selling them for about 3x the price of an Optane SSD.

[@Sabrintwitt3r]

I mean, the SKU that Linus has is MLC, not TLC which is used nearly everywhere now (not accounting for new QLCs that have popped up)

[@da_knug]

and this jinni idiot is selling his ripoff ssd's for 1000 bucks lmao

[@zohanrock]

it was a typo, they didn't spend millions on R&D, they saved millions on R&D

[@CanthusOfCandE]

No, they spent millions on d&d. They have the entire world built by that guy from Weta who designed modular sets. Turns out their engineers are just massive nerds....i know, hard to believe.

[@cika299]

RNG

[@spyder000069]

Research & Donuthin

[@KingOfJonnyBoy]

@@CanthusOfCandE r/wooooosh

[@CanthusOfCandE]

@@KingOfJonnyBoy understood topic creator was joking, replied with an alternative joke... Got r/wooooosh'd? Fine it might not of been funny but not being funny when intended does not fit the criteria of not understanding a joke. So it appears the r/wooooosh is infact held by you by not understanding I was joking... Not sure how, considering I mention about people being shocked that engineers are nerds which should be a big red 'not serious' flag, with a 'this is a joke' siren going every 8 seconds... But nevermind. Next time you might get lucky and use it correctly. Guessing you have no idea what d&d is either.

[@ModernAtomX]

I remember when Corridor Digital put out a video saying you knew absolutely nothing about your RED rant when you put it out, and a big thing they complained about was how you were talking about how ridiculous the redmags are. They said that you knew nothing about how expensive movie shots need on reliable storage mediums so they won't get lost, and they remarked that the Red mags were always reliable and that RED would recover all the data if the device corrupted. I think it's kinda funny how they flexed their 6 year RED ownership badge and were still wrong about their stuff.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

RED can tout their data recovery all they want, but that is still downtime for the studio, and down time is something that is almost NEVER tolerated. Movie studios may do a reshoot, or have multiple cameras on the shoot in case of a drive failure. Sure, it may not be exactly what the director wanted, but for those shots that can only be pulled off once due to set damage, time spent reassembling the set is time that could be better spent elsewhere.

[@TheFPSPower]

@@Folsomdsf2 Yeah, but RED is the one who pays for it I'm guessing...

[@oBCHANo]

Corridor digital are ignorant, but what can you expect from KZbin "filmmakers".

[@warasilawombat]

Sky Aklost I dunno, they definitely have a good appreciation for what photorealistic lighting cues will make a scene look bad, a good handle on animation skills, and they use a lot more than AE. Maybe not Hollywood professionals per-say, but they can make damn good shots either way.

[@yattasuccess9212]

Corridor Digital to me, are trustworthy, though to a degree. They are still "professional" content creators (Since they are not a real film studio just yet) and they are not wrong about how buying something that is of "RED quality" is more-reliable, better, and worth it in the long run as the person who owns the equipment. The problem they have though with their trust in equipment by RED is that, they never speculate whether RED, IS making more-reliable, better, and safer storage mediums than cheaper counterparts, yes I would say that RED makes good quality durable equipment, and to any person who would buy such equipment could justify the cost considering the theoretical benefits they get, but that doesn't mean those theoretical benefits are at all true to any extent yet! I still love Corridor and I love their Corridor Crew footage, they are capable filmmakers, but to me, at many times I can't do anything but think they are at most times being overly self-serious in terms of their prowess. They make good content, they've shot a series on KZbin that is near Cinema/Theatre quality, but that comes from experience doing successful projects as KZbin Content creators, they are not actually involved in the film industry directly, their friends who have actually worked on film more-seriously have far better experience and far better know-how than them in all ways you could imagine, I like Corridor still, but I cannot rely on them most of the time for their take on equipment, since they are using equipment that work well for them, but haven't tried going beyond just that barrier because to them the benefit that their RED equipment gives them is way higher than any other equipment even until now. I can rely on them for entertaining videos, but not really on any reliable information about what I should do as a filmmaker. Niko and Sam have much much more stuff that they need to get down, and/or progress to go through, they are never stopping in getting better but they are clearly currently not at a stage where they should be able to settle at all for the quality of their content, they may have talented artists and amazing equipment, but their whole knowledge about film as a whole can be helped by a lot, just that the facade of amazing equipment and experienced employees is making everyone think otherwise.

[@globbaslobba]

Doesn't come formatted wont let you use it until formatted makes you do it yourself $2250 before tax :)

[@SiriusXification]

That's fine for a pro product tbh. Except the mSATA-SSD-For-2150-more-than-market-value part.

[@TheSpliffinatoR]

And how much will a form-fitted RAID board and double the required storage cost? Yeah....more

[@SiriusXification]

​@@TheSpliffinatoR I mean, that's a hot glue type solution. RAID should be done onboard the camera, unfortunately it wasn't designed with this feature in mind so you gotta go for a messier solution. But playing devil's advocate, even if it were to have it's own standalone controller, it wouldn't cost all that much, logic chips are cheap, especially ones this simple. Most of the costs would be in R&D and integration.

[@TheSpliffinatoR]

@@SiriusXification Even if it was onboard. When are the R1 consistency checks going to run? Everytime you boot, whenever the user says ok? Plug it in, overnight? Not to mention, R1 will need some ECC to resolve corruption, or go triple redundancy.

[@SiriusXification]

​@@TheSpliffinatoRLiterally only at write time. This isn't an operating system. Writes should be happening simultaneously from the internal framebuffer to both of the output devices, not whenever the OS feels like it. You could pair that up with a simple crc check of a bunch of frames to confirm there isn't massive failure at boot. With healthy drives, any inconsistency would result in at worst a hot pixel or something, not sensitive data loss.

[@maxj9204]

Appreciate the more objective, neutral take on the whole situation. Hard to come by nowadays.

[@demomanfromtf2574]

It's me

[@cameronszachta3116]

@@demomanfromtf2574 what?

[@Mutanttheenby]

@@demomanfromtf2574 wut

[@itsbean6374]

@@cameronszachta3116 yes

[@cameronszachta3116]

@@itsbean6374 ?

[@gk2011]

I like how this entire video was just "I brought this up years ago, and the entire community are idiots." 10/10 Would watch Linus Roast again

[@bukenyaephraim771]

i just did hahaha

[@krane15]

He owns REDs, so what does that make him?

[@RobertPendell]

@@krane15 That makes him someone who knew exactly what he was getting and was willing to shell out for good product but didn't really make a stink about it when he knew full well that there was more typical tech present in the memory cards.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@krane15 An ass??

[@MrTarmonbarry]

@@RobertPendell yes , did not want to admit he had been scammed . sad man. i used to like watching his stuff but he has lost all integrity

[@m_s7155]

I love when Linus rips into a company that sorta has it coming

[@RudraJain]

Hi

[@yaseennazim8895]

Rudra Jain Hi

[@RudraJain]

@@yaseennazim8895 How Are You?

[@cclacss]

what did you say again? @ Corridor Crew kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKa2e2ihZtSleM0

[@friswy1483]

@@cclacss lol that was a horrible video, kinda proved him right

[@FlipDeRiviera]

So, a low cost consumer SSD in a fancy box for $2,350.00 , and doesn’t even have redundancy. That’s a really huge margin profit.

[@christianpermalino9304]

Red: The Apple Of Cameras

[@qerlak]

Christian Permalino lol these make Apple SSD upgrades look like a killer deal.

[@jeevana.6391]

You could afford a 960gb 970 pro AND a monitor stand for the price of a RED mag

[@qerlak]

Jeevan A. LOL GOOD ONE!

[@MikeMartin-ot9ic]

I wouldn't even refer to it as a profit margin. That's just plain thievery.

[@duncantalksalotmore5032]

Jinni: Red’s bad! Red: No u Linus: I’m about to end these men’s whole careers.

[@juicyjay3338]

not

[@chubbyadler3276]

Grammar Nazi: *mens'--Apostrophe after the S.

[@Snowaxe3D]

@@chubbyadler3276 Another Grammar Nazi : *Man's -- its singular,

[@chubbyadler3276]

@@Snowaxe3D Context is plural, though.

[@rivenissmart]

@@chubbyadler3276 men is plural of man, therefore it's "men's" or "these men their".

[@Nickknows00]

See im surprised red doesn’t have duel card slot because then people would have to buy 2 $2k ssds

[@bigdrill8881]

dual

[@cyrkielnetwork]

Fear not! They will release new version with this "revolutionary" feature at some point, and it will be cost only 20% more. Ofcourse old Mags will not work, and you have to buy new, "better" sets :D

[@Utkarsh_A]

Well if they had a Dual card solution they wouldn't have to factor in the cost of Data Recovery on the SSD's as you'll have redundancy but then how is RED gonna make profit on the people who's SSD's don't fail.

[@EvanAust]

@@bigdrill8881 No wait, he's onto something with duel... The stronger defeats the weaker, forcing you to buy a new one to replace the pathetic weak card.

[@minbcraft]

@@EvanAust lmao

[@chonkypotat4226]

You know, Ive always seen Linus frustrated at the way companies handle their tech (Eg: Apple) But in this video, I could feel his anger at RED through his expressions, It was honestly nice to see him mad at their shitty way of handling things.

[@ISWYDTOR]

search for "LTT RED", you'll get to see just about how frustrated he is with RED cameras.

[@parranoic]

What I see is someone who tries to defend a big company and who was forced by its viewers to make this video

[@pixelcat_yt]

@@parranoic He isn't really defending it. He's defending neither of the parties.

[@LimPu]

@@parranoic he? Defending? Have you even seen the whole video or did you just watch the first minutes and then jumped to a conclusion? Like Donald Trump I mean...

[@parranoic]

@@LimPu Adding the dt part at the end really shows what kind of mindset you have. anyway yes I watched the whole video and during the whole video he goes back and forwards, but he's clearly defending red as he knows that saying something bad about a big brand is going to impact his company in the future.

[@AntiHamster500]

*Linus Drop Tips* 8:37 - Throws mSATA SSD...oops 12:02 - Karate Chops SSD Interface Adapter

[@Standbackforscience]

The real reason I'm here.

[@Twat2024]

lmAO KARATE CHOPS XD

[@Nerdthagoras]

Watching those two back to back had me Lolling so hard I think I finally jostled my kidney stone into my bladder.

[@deathreus]

Really looks like he did both of those on purpose out of spite for the unnecessary drama, considering all the present satire and triggers like calling SAYTA SAHTA at one point

[@echoeversky]

Linus so mad he like drops TWICE!

[@SatireDaily]

we bought a red package in 2014 for around 62K. 4 years later it all sold for under 20K.... Never buying red again.

[@pacient555]

dollars, kroner or vietnamese dong

[@matesaktesak]

I never bought a RED camera obviously - but it looks like they loose their value about 5 times faster than Arri

[@akanta5746]

@@matesaktesak yeah, because arri is more expensive and high quality. Although red still loses value less than other camera makers like sony or fujifilm

[@matesaktesak]

@@akanta5746 very true

[@zephyrus001]

Index funds...

[@SOF006]

I love how Linus just shot both offenders at point blank range, no prisoners here. You're both guilty as charged lol.

[@adrianlyons2444]

Gave em both barrels.

[@soccerguy2433]

but really just RED is guilty.

[@ironicbobcat1]

Why is jinni an offender?

[@DasGanon]

@@ironicbobcat1 trying to stir controversy just to get a piece of the pie

[@caniscerulean]

@@ironicbobcat1 They were almost as misleading with their claims, and having this suddenly blow up like this makes it highly suspect as viral marketing. They are also essentially just circumventing the RED proprietary DRM, which has varying degrees of legality and risk to both JInni and consumers. (I'm sure that the RED TOS has a section stating that using any 3rd party media voids all warranties and they won't even consider recovery, etc for media failures, even if it was caused by their own hardware)

[@batsonelectronics]

Every time Linus waves his hand, some part flies away. I just can't stop laughing.........

[@NoSkates]

KARATE CHOP!

[@cjmayor014]

why is this not the top comment?

[@nissan300zxmike]

@@NoSkates SLAPCHOP! lol

[@NiTeHaWKnz]

See, bad build quality as well on those mags as well LMAO

[@cinnabarsin4288]

Gotten to the point where he just watches it bounce away without breaking stride in his sentence.

[@TheArtsOfSense]

Linus in about 1 week: How to build your own RED MAG for a tenth of the cost!

[@JoelRavier]

I would love to see this

[@Dream0Asylum]

Since it's a pin-to-pin adapter, I imagine it won't be that hard to fit almost anything in. Hell, throw in a little cabling and you could have virtually unlimited access to a RAID'ed 4 TB and up.

[@JamesBalazs]

@@Dream0Asylum yeah I'd pay to see Linus hook 4TB+ of RAID 10'd SSDs up to a RED camera, seems right up his alley

[@sainsay]

@@Dream0Asylum FAT32 is not only limited to 4gb per file but also to a max disk/partition size of 2TB ;)

[@dco5055]

He has a 3D printer build a adapter with extension ribbon then if he could find off the shelf mini raid controller where he can put 2 in raid and trick the camera thinking it's one. Then they would float in a 3d case outside the camera. Just to prove to Red there doing it wrong or how "easy it is".

[@NetRolller3D]

Seriously? Requiring a full format everytime you want to delete a single file, just because you (RED) don't know how to do TRIM properly (or cheaped out so hard as to pick an SSD without TRIM support)?!

[@alexandercirstea4911]

well not really, it's more like: RED knows their basic SSD's are weak/wear out easily and so decided to limit their users in such a way that their fancy ass "mags" don't break as easily.

[@janludwig7286]

The intended user don't care one bit. When you work on a professional film set you never delete a take on set. It's just to big of a risk that you delete the wrong file and you also don't have the time for that. It's just so much cheaper to swap out the card when it is full instead of reviewing all clips and deciding which ones you might not need anymore.

[@yufeipan5989]

@@janludwig7286 no but a feature is a feature is a feature. not needing it in normal circumstances do not mean it is never needed. Layers after layer of confirmation screen is "preventing accidental deletion" but using proprietary interface that is as slow as sata means not getting a shot or wasting time in production in order to offload all the files off to another storage media then format the mag if the mag is about full and there is several out takes and good takes already done. I can see this being super annoying when you have to guess how many takes you would do to get the final shot then ask the finance to buy you 1500 or 3000 dollar megS (and without redundancy

[@janludwig7286]

@@yufeipan5989 You don't waste time offloading cards, normally you just quickly back them up with special software or a hardware device, which takes a couple off minutes and then you send the physical cards to editorial, where they are backed up again and ingested into the NLE. You just take enough cards do it isn't a problem. For the last film we had cards for 10-20 days, depending on schedule, so you are never in a position where you delete individual clips.

[@Mionwang]

I knew it'd be basically a rebranded ssd but I was expecting something like a high end samsung SSD.

[@ghostkilla931]

I know. I put an EVO 860 in my PS4. i cant even sip some water before my games load.

[@AG.Floats]

Linus blink twice if you are being payed out by RED right now

[@matteo_cia]

Yes but actually no

[@ebattleon]

@@AG.Floats You watched the Vid to the end right?

[@Draugo]

Why bay for high end when you get a higher markup with the shit tier

[@Skastrik]

Not gonna lie, I thought at first that this was going to be a total shill piece for RED. You really had me in the first half Linus. But yeah, this was a good one. Shows multiple angles on the matter. Jinni seems to be creating controversy to sell product which is only possible because RED seems to have a shitty product in the first place.

[@bologna3048]

yeah but what exactly is wrong with that? Of course your competitor is going to exploit your weakest link lol that's why you don't do stuff like this and "hope nobody finds out"

[@seeingblind2]

@@bologna3048 I goota say im rooting for Jinny tech.

[@HeavyRayne]

He was overly critical of Jinni and overly defensive of red imo. Who really cares if Jinni has ulterior motives? Red has been shitty for too long

[@Voluse]

That's just capitalism baby

[@SuperShiki666]

I think linus has a love hate relationship with red, they know red has the best cameras but they hate how theyre forced to buy offer priced stuff. I wouldve attacked red too if i was forced to cough up 200k for overpriced camera stuff

[@FiddyBee]

"Millions of dollars in R&D" aka "I paid myself millions of dollars for saying to sell cheap crap off the shelf for 10x time price."

[@bren.r]

TheOneAboveAll more like 20-30x

[@joelurdiales9264]

Just like Apple.

[@Hoch134]

Actually, you get these ssds for $20-$40 if you are buying them in big quantities. Selling something for $2200 that cost you ~$50 for production/importing, would be 44x the price. It's like making a coffee for $0.20 and selling it for $9.

[@FiddyBee]

@@Hoch134 so they get a 1tb ssd for 20-40 bucks? I'd buy them all at price.

[@666Tomato666]

@@FiddyBee you get then at $40, with minimal QA and at minimal quantity of 100000 units

[@bobbihansel]

As someone who recently experienced a complete failure on a brand new 960 whilst shooting a Netflix original and I'm STILL fighting for repair or replacement, this video makes me really freaking mad.

[@zeusgaming4946]

Linus: *Pulls out the sweet iFixit kit* Me: Oh here comes a smooth segue to iFixit!! Linus: CORSAIR!!

[@lootplx]

marketing genius! got you to think about two brands for the price of one sponsor.

[@cogito451]

*segue

[@lockinhinddanger934]

@@sithlordgaming6692 I FIXED SO MUCH OF HIS STUFF! HE OWES ME ONE! -ifixit

[@syntaxvrc]

honestly, "brought to you by" is probably the best segue tbh

[@arthurg5966]

There was a sponsored video by some pc maker like Pegasus by linus, the entire video was sponsored and it also had 2 sponsors.

[@balitheking1]

@12:47 Red: Data recovery at no cost Also Red: Data recovery rolled into the price of purchase Contradicting themselves. It ain't at no cost if you charge the customers in advance.

[@KeppyKep]

You can't reasonably criticise red for that. Virtually every product and service in the world has 'free' things included. These are all accounted for in the cost of the product. In most cases, that would be the basic warranty. Certain products and services have more than the basic warranty included for 'free' where the cost is obviously included in the base fee. Hotels offering 'free' wi-fi is an example that instantly comes to mind. Saying 'free' and technically meaning 'no additional cost' to something attached to a product is a perfectly normal and accepted practice.

[@eddien2145]

@@KeppyKep Or stores that offer "Free" parking. I think the best term to use is complimentary, RED offer complimentary data recovery that is subsidised when you purchase the card. Still does't change the fact that having no redundancy in a camera that can be filming several thousand dollar shots is ridiculous. Especially when competitors offer redundancy for a hell of a lot cheaper.

[@deusexaethera]

"Free with purchase"

[@volundrfrey896]

That's how "at no cost"-services works. Wait till you hear about how "free shipping" is paid for.

[@rohithkumarsp]

Recovers at no cost but at the cost of your data and fucking time and resources that you spent on recovering it. It's now like that moment returns again even if you want to shoot it again.

[@dannywinget]

I can always rely on Linus to break down the entire scenario and make sense of it all 👏

[@SirSicCrusader]

Yeah... he's always been good at breaking things...

[@nintySW]

Sir Sic hahaha, always.

[@R3NAM3R123]

Well more so he's writers...

[@PKM1010]

Except for the silly "nobody is forcing me to buy this" argument like it's just letting bad practices off the hook because nobody is standing there with a gun to your head. I don't care much for the companies' rights to rip their customers off.

[@jiaxihao1847]

ikr

[@hamishtacuri2331]

I love that not even Linus or his team had the heart to actually put the camera or mini mag links into the description and instead just put a general link to "digital cameras" 10/10.

[@LinxanGC]

What you came here for: the Linus dropping things timestamps 1:49, 8:29 & 11:54. Bonus: Chipped edges on the mag 13:28 indicating potential droppage.

[@chetanaik]

The chipped edges are more likely from fumbling when putting it into the slot I'd imagine.

[@racrguy]

$2400 for that thing and I’d better be able to take a hammer to it and have it survive.

[@imaguy123]

The worn edges are "cosmetic" in design, like 'distressed jeans.' ;) Summer Special! +$499.99 only for this unique RED feature! (limited time only)

[@finchhawthorne1302]

@@racrguy That's a thing that the casing (removed at the begining) legitimately helps with and why basically any storage device proprietary or not that's meant to be added and removed will have one.

[@SoJa92]

Those Crucial SSDs in the 480GB mag have a rated TBW of 72TB. For huge files like those used in video recording this is insane. Samsung drives perform 5x better in this regard, RED is intentionally ripping people off by choosing profit margins over quality and reliability.

[@Daku93]

Kevin Clingerman so you can fully write to them for around 150 times. Probably more, but this is what Crucial guarantees. Lol. What a joke.

[@ej_tech]

The 500 GB Crucial MX500 in my PC has a better (180 TB) write endurance than a RED mag!

[@untildawncrepes]

@@Daku93 Even worse, you'd get half that, since Red requires you to erase the mag before reuse.

[@Daku93]

Until Dawn Crepes earasing a SSD does not consume a write cycle.

[@tiemensikma2806]

Ive got a crucial m.2 ssd. Around 480gb aswell. Works fine i guess

[@whitekingbleach9720]

So basically, Red is upselling old tech SSD with DRM, formatted with fat32.

[@necromax13]

Yep.

[@dog61]

Well, yeah, pretty much.

[@2lturbo]

Setting a user writable value in a SMART register in not DRM

[@loreaver3882]

as long as the price is reasonable

[@abafoon604]

@@loreaver3882 it's not

[@Ayoub-pt4nm]

samsung: sells good SSD's for a low price RED: wait, thats illigal!!

[@1mN0t5ure]

Ayoub illi wat

[@ElZamo92]

IllEgal

[@Ayoub-pt4nm]

@@ElZamo92 yes I know, it was I typo

[@methanesulfonic]

WD has way cheaper SSD with decent speed

[@PabzRoz]

illigal? did you have a stroke?

[@theonlyxbox360]

the way linus aptly put his "switch gears" approach to the video was grand, this was a very well scripted episode! to be honest the way it played out was like a teacher talking to two children, talking first to the child that punched back, and then turning to the one who instigated and made the situation what it was and being like "now listen here you little shit" xD

[@chrisahamer]

This video is 10/10 - that last 15 seconds where you discuss their lack of innovation felt incredibly raw... well said!

[@KizaruB]

I think the conversation will blow up after THIS video Linus

[@lockinhinddanger934]

im pretty sure light will not prevail kizaru

[@KizaruB]

Now I’m wondering if these likes are because of my username/picture or the actual comment.

[@lockinhinddanger934]

@@KizaruB username, and picture XD

[@BrunoCunha88]

hope so lol

[@zandatsu07]

can you do Light speed kick?

[@legominimovieproductions]

Next Week: Red cameras are actually Iphones with fance housing and adapters XD

[@B0Sajwah]

Killed me haha

[@thesuperstar4470]

Lego Mini Movie Productions sorry red cameras are actually Chinese smart phones with fancy housing and adapters 😌😏

[@Legiro]

@@thesuperstar4470 The irony would be if Apple also made their phones in China. Imagine the odds of that happening to truly make it funny.

[@thesuperstar4470]

Legiro let me tell you one thing Apple is different and red is different Apple is far better than red if we do comparison, red is also a scam you can see that how they cheat people using normal msata card and telling everyone that it’s a proprietary red card. Whereas Apple don’t do such things at least they don’t scam people they have got good team you can see their iOS OS and one of the biggest corporation in the world if Apple wants they can make their own camera department

[@Legiro]

@@thesuperstar4470 Planned obsolescence, attempts to hinder 3rd party repairs, exorbitant 1st party repair/replacement prices with subpar services offered for the premium costing goods is not a scam? Now I've heard everything. Also, you do realize that the only real Apple thing about Apple products are the build and the apps, not the components? I mean, surely many would buy a camera branded with Apple logo on it. Wouldn't change the fact that it would consist of entirely not Apple proprietary tech, because R&D-ing your entrance into such industry is insane costs. So... basically they would do the same thing - they would brand their products, ramp up the price to a premium, 4-10 times more than production costs, and sell it to customers. Which is basically what they are doing. Granted, they have rather interesting program and OS solutions. But so does the Red, ironically enough.

[@TitanKingMedia]

I just hope this means we get to see LMG make their own Red Mag since most of it is off the shelf parts! Possibly with RAID 1?

[@hastypixels]

Y'know that'd be freakin' interesting.

[@HDSantosYT]

I don't know how they would even do such a thing but it would be awesome. They would have to basically build a custom RAID controller unless a standalone one exists.

[@TitanKingMedia]

@@HDSantosYT go to about 13:45 in the video, they literally explain how to do it. On top of that they did a whole video on their new workshop tools so they have the tech to do it

[@McGyver777ATGMAIL]

You're a fucking genius.

[@tuna_land]

That would be cool!

[@divid3dbyZero]

I spent millons of dollars in R&D making this comment. How much should I charge people to use it?

[@aeswere]

tree fiddy

[@fordesponja]

*Guldan voice* EEEEVERYTHIIING

[@MuMix61]

Shut the f*ck up and take my money

[@circularrobert]

As much as you want, as long as you will retrieve my comment if it get's deleted

[@jubeh]

your comment is nothing but a repackaged and overpriced, standard troll comment. I'll make an exposee video calling you out and sell a competing comment for half the price your comment sells for.

[@TVCHLORD]

spend 50k on a camera, get a generic ssd but 10x the price

[@IhsanAmin]

25x actually.

[@metalstorm54]

That’s the problem. I mean if the equipment can’t be manufactured by someone else such as RTx series, they can charge as much as they want. #shitsmanufacturersaid

[@peterpain6625]

@@metalstorm54 But it can. See Jinnimag. Which is a blatant rip-off of red's ip but i don't really feel sorry for them at all ... red i mean.

[@dougle03]

Makes you think how overpriced the cameras might be too!

[@DM-qm5sc]

Well, you did just buy a camera for 50k sooooo......

[@drewtlau]

Arri still wins...and so does Blackmagic...i see no point in using a red except for bragging rights on false sensor resolution

[@ignacymat]

Arri is a different class, IMO C200 Canon just killed the REDs

[@drewtlau]

@@ignacymat definitely, c200 is a documentary king ...basically the best thing next to an Arri...canon is reliable and compatible...and its just so good

[@chakpuia]

👍

[@jingtianwang9793]

the dark and greddy color science do has some use of it's own

[@drewtlau]

@@jingtianwang9793 tbh... Color science is just not as important as it used to be... digital raw is so versatile now that you can emulate everything so easily...LUTs are great but however, one thing color science is still important for is Skin tones, skin tones are so hard to nail and Arri is just slaying it in that department, throw any light on the skin, it still comes out pleasant...idk how they do that and its hard to fix that in post... Canon comes close to this except its not as sharp and sometimes becomes too pink for darker skin tones, but RED does mediocre job...sunlight, its Ok but Purple LED light, it still sucks.

[@chris7jakarta]

who else felt ripped off, but don't even own a RED camera?

[@needlessToo]

Apple customers.

[@microtasker]

It's honestly the camera equivalent of a Ferrari, if you get pissed that a replacement key costs you $500, you don't even deserve to have it.

[@rve420]

@@microtasker heh, "deserve".

[@xXshadow223Xx]

@@microtasker oof. Wrong choice of words bucko.

[@arahman56]

@@microtasker At least Ferraris aren't just standard cars with a paintover.

[@Draugo]

The fact that they throttle drives without their magic bits is enough to make me loose any sympathy for them. That's some Apple level stuff.

[@vgamesx1]

Yeah that's one of the worst things about this, want to sell a ~$100 SSD for $2,000 ok fine whatever but swapping a part for another and crippling/bricking the device is just insane.

[@Adrian-yn4qg]

I think the proper term you meant use is CrApple. This term should be standard across the industry by now.

[@Ganbalf]

They should probably stick to making their sensors, that seems like the only thing they are actually passionate about

[@jensharbers6702]

That's even sub Apple level. At least has Apple put in good stuff, not the "unknown brand SSD" red does. I expected at least a Samsung 860 PRO or some Industrial Grade SSD, but they used at best midrange SSD's. For a price point where you would expect the fancy pancy stuff.

[@monkeywithocd]

No, I think to be Apple level they would have to make it so it would brick your entire system if it didn't have the magic bits.

[@Ramkakh]

They invested millions on the marketing campaign of the SSD, and maybe 5 or 6 bucks on the engineering.

[@vikas274]

Yes, those were spent to buy screwdrivers

[@burp2019]

@@vikas274 and the paint for the case

[@luckeycat_]

They spent millions (2) on a couple of fancy milling machines and some fancy 3d printers. "Let's make test samples with these and say we spent millions on R&D." 😂

[@simonair]

Engineering? I thought they just did some fancy milling and added an adpter.

[@jamestomato1744]

Did they graduate from the Beats school of product design, and manufacturing?

[@stuartcastle2814]

Just seen this. I used to support a couple of Red cameras. Lovely devices, except for the cost. Every bit of the camera is incredibly expensive.. We spent a small fortune on parts for those cameras. Still they are far from the only company. I used to support Sun Workstations (before they merged with Oracle, although I should imagine this still goes on today). One day, we had a CD Rom fail. It being a Sun workstation, I couldn't just bung a generic PC CD rom in.. I got a quote for a replacement CD Rom, which I was happy to fit. The quote was around $600 . Having no choice, I got our procurement department to order one. When it turned up a couple of days later, it was clearly a low spec (it was 2x when the standard was 4x) generic SCSI CD Rom that had just been adjusted to report it was a Sun device.

[@hlonghi]

Jinni: Charges with his cavalry of pissed off consumers Red: Charges with his cavalry of templar fanboys Everybody: Linus: **Carpet bombs everything** Red & Jinni: :o

[@darthkarl99]

This needs more upvotes. badly.

[@neilbru]

Spot on.

[@joenicklo8174]

Best post right here.

[@hyakinthos_0902]

pickachu face

[@mikea7762]

This video left me a bit confused, probably because I had no clue of this whole Jinny tech thing etc till I saw Linus’s video. Now it seems that Linus is taking extra precaution to ensure this situation does not spiral into the knock-off mag guy’s favor, but after having watched a few minutes of Jinnytech video I am confused. Jinny tech seems adamant that RED is doing something clearly illegal (if anyone has seen the guy cites some federal laws and shit, so he acts like he has a strong case?) by saying the mags are made in USA. So you might expect Linus to clear this up but at 7:45 he says “no foul play” then backs off from that? so is RED doing something wrong or not, Linus? Also, at the start of the video around 3:45 to 4:10 Linus clearly seems to imply that Jinnytech’s claim that the mags are prone to failure and shitty are flawed, and how it does not “necessarily” mean so, then towards the end he completely shits on the way RED goes about doing things and highlights how it causes loss of productivity.

[@Lee-BHC]

I don't even record video, but this made me happy. Good for you Linus.

[@ShredBundy420]

same XD

[@Athiril]

Hold on, it is crippled - any generic SSD will work, but not at high write speed unless you take extra steps to fool the camera into thinking it’s a red mag. Meaning the camera is intentionally crippled /not/ to work with other SSDs, otherwise who would pay for such a high price for a low cost SSD? So yeah that is scummy, especially since it’s just a regular SATA interface that’s just pin pass through. So jintech (sp?) is correct on that front.

[@thefelix7767]

@Daniel Lee Also someone is lying here. Linus claims that they didn't say the firmware doesn't contain extra bits, but the video he references clearly states that if you do a binary comparison the firmware is exactly the same, bit by bit. So either the video is lying and a binary comparison would in fact show a difference or Linus is lying about the firmware having something extra, even if it's useless extra. The way it writes to the card is probably from the camera, not from the SSD firmware, as that part wouldn't be the one creating a folder structure and all that.

[@PaulGuy]

@@thefelix7767 That's what he says later in the video. The camera is the one doing all the work, the drive is just a plain ol' mSATA drive formatted in FAT32.

[@m4ki9h76]

@@thefelix7767 / Linus admits it's more of a DRM scheme. I think the write speed is intentionally crippled by the camera's firmware, if intended vendor infos(Red) are missing/mismatch

[@Nalianna]

@@m4ki9h76 "Scheme" is a good word to describe this. And i dont mean "a large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect."; I mean "make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong."

[@dstblj5222]

@@Nalianna Here is the thing Ginni tech can totally legally build an algorithm designed to fool Red's check, its only a violation of copywriter if they used the original code or wrote something very close to the original. So red needs to provide more proof that Ginni tech actually violated their copywrite

[@Mathaeuz]

11:40 that short background laugh from someone in the crew and Linus containing his own laugh afterwards. G O L D

[@GarrisonFall]

Wow, you have good hearing (or my speakers are cheap rubbish).

[@Dogmuff1ns]

I didn't know it was possible to be so aggressive while wearing socks and sandals

[@yazansakran3326]

And Jorts

[@ItsByko]

First time here? lmao

[@kael070]

whats wrong with socks and sandals? I never take my damn socks out lol

[@nou268]

And being Canadian

[@mal2ksc]

@Gamblingo 225 Canadians can be plenty aggressive, it's just that sandals and socks are not the trigger. Ice skates are.

[@YellowYT]

Who thought the sponsor was going to be ifixit for a second?

[@sambarnes1226]

Me

[@android-user]

Mee2

[@QuickNETTech]

Was kinda disappointed when it wasn't...

[@matija1332]

Me3

[@SS-qz3ih]

Me2

[@benxgaming3484]

I applaud Linus's willingness to both defend and criticize red in order to give us the cold hard truth.

[@wpgspecb]

Transparency is beautiful

[@Vikash137]

I love when Linus rips into these rediculous companies and their crazy stupid prices then goes back and buy said stuff

[@cypherusuh]

He's not the kind of guy who boycott something when he doesn't like it. He did the review professionally and left the conclusion to the viewer. The old standard of journalism

[@mal2ksc]

But why wouldn't he choose to pay less? That doesn't need him to "boycott" anything or anyone, just shop around.

[@cypherusuh]

@@mal2ksc most likely because at the time, there's no other storage that's compatible with the camera

[@mal2ksc]

But we're talking about his buying habits _now,_ not when Red was the only game in town.

[@cypherusuh]

@@mal2ksc idk. need to asks him at twitter

[@TheRealShedLife]

"Once the illusion fails, people feel justifiably betrayed and pissed off." This was a really revealing and carefully thought-out production and took some interesting risks. People was griping about Linus complaining about RED's pricing. Linus right now shows that he knows about the illusion of RED and he backs it up eloquently.

[@NoorquackerInd]

You sound like my 10th grade Pre-AP English II classmates trying to write an essay

[@DirtyMike_n_theBoyz]

I have no fuckin clue what you said

[@yattasuccess9212]

And I totally agreed with him in that statement, because adding to what you said, even more people will just try and jump to conclusions easily rather than take their time to have already seen such a situation coming. Either way, most people who would have bought RED mags and mini-mags would have already been smart-enough to realize what they were getting for what they were paying for, RED is guilty or not, the customers have chosen what they chose to buy.

[@NaptownClassic]

@@NoorquackerInd Remedial English?

[@NaptownClassic]

@@DirtyMike_n_theBoyz You should try reading it again. I believe in you. You can do anything, if you put your mind to it.

[@mithrylmoonlight]

Why is Linus reviewing a red PS2 memory card

[@branko_the_alien]

This is a 10 year old video, why are you watching it now

[@c3ntury1337]

Reupload.

[@chrisw3311]

@@branko_the_alien 10 years ago the PS3 was nearly 3 years old.

[@Interestingworld4567]

The good old days hum.

[@epender]

@@chrisw3311 well KZbin didn't exist for most of the PS2's lifetime.

[@finnrellmdop]

Fair and unbiased breakdown of what happened if you ask me! Thumbs up!

[@AmrouBouaziz]

Yeah! This is the most diplomatic way to handle this subject. The words chose is impeccable.

[@finnrellmdop]

I am a Reduser too, and my video wouldn’t be that diplomatic. I love Red, but I spent a lot of money for 4 of their cards. It’s not about the price, more about the missing raid system that Linus mentioned!

[@matthewjohnson4360]

also, even if it is biased, Linus tells you what is causing his bias so you can decide whether or not what he says is worth listening to. Real quality videos on the ltt channel

[@dietwedge]

@@finnrellmdop the dishonesty and deceit didn't help matters either.

[@nottsoserious]

RED employee: Boss, this costs us $100 to manufacture. If we count the R&D that went into making this stupid interface, we break even at selling them at $130. What price do we sell them at? Boss: Hmm... Let me think..... *H O W A B O U T $ 1 5 0 0*

[@GiulianoM14]

Not in a million years does it cost them $100 dollars to manufacture, it's probably more like $30 per unit.

[@nottsoserious]

@@GiulianoM14 makes it even worse then.

[@rorschacht8478]

@@GiulianoM14 At the most. Probably more like $8 tbh.

[@iforgotmyusername0]

lol

[@alexandre3017]

@@rorschacht8478 nah probably $5

[@TrynaBeCray]

So RED is basically apple pricing with EA development?

[@euga5653]

😂😂

[@sammeyer6852]

Apple sheep arent going to like this comment

[@jebaited2449]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@rohithmekala2608]

at least apples ssds are good

[@donovan6320]

@@rohithmekala2608 They are made by Samsung LOL. And it is not hard to have a decent SSD today, it ain't that expensive 150-200 bucks for some of the higher-end models.

[@ihaveacoolhat1]

This is why I appreciate Linus. He's willing to call these companies out on their BS.

[@OriginalPuro]

That's just called having a spine. I expect this in people, but sadly most of them are jellyfish.

[@getridofit3]

@@OriginalPuro this is called independent journalism.

[@meekmeads]

Cough Cough Intel Cough Cough

[@imnotmlg4397]

Hey guys. Look at Linus’s wrist in the vid. Let’s get a F.

[@IshidaNikurasu]

@@meekmeads He CONSTANTLY call out Intel on their bullshit man 😂

[@DavidtheDoom]

Thanks for a transparent covering of this topic. KZbins algorithm is scary efficient since I got the other videos as recommended yesterday only.

[@TLAngus1337]

yeah i got it yesterday as well

[@xenonram]

I got it yesterday too.

[@kanavukadhalan21]

@@xenonram Aww. Look at you people getting the same recommendations together. No one loves me

[@iAPX432]

On PRO equipement, SSD controllers should be able to read back the written data to detect flash failure, rewrite data on another Page and/or signal the failure.

[@MrKinir]

Isn't that kind of data integrity check implemented inside the ssd controller already?

[@tuplanollatoni]

Remember when Corridor said that they're more reliable than ordinary SSDs? C

[@baterosmith2]

That's true!!! Haha

[@camilofuentes7056]

I really like corridor crew, but is kinda dissapointing how they support this kind of bullshit from red

[@HellerTech2000]

Maybe not more reliable but just better support if files get lost.

[@apathetk]

I like Corridor's work, but damn, they are pretentious.

[@hlonghi]

@@GusGusGusGusGus The number of clients I have that legit bought Apple here in Brazil (TEN times the cost of a similar spec Dell) because *APPLE HAS THE MAGIC* and then realized they can't afford RMA'ing it when their keyboard inevitably fails is astonishing, to say the least. I'm not an Apple hater and I know they are not that bad (outside the country I live) price-wise if you are a professional, but you don't need a Mac Pro to render low poly parts in Blender for christ sakes.

[@FalconX88]

It sounds like it's a positive thing that the camera will only write at full speed if you make it believe that it's a Red product...but that's a terrible thing. It should write at full speed if the memory allows it. They are artificially throttling non Red storage even though it could work just as well (for a fraction of the cost)a s theirs.

[@jm1jonas]

It never writes at 1:1 compression, even with REDmags, different models have different write speeds, 240gb mags are slower than 480gb (the red ones are faster than the grey ones).

[@JuryDutySummons]

To play devil's advocate: Throttling and getting reliable writes is preferable to writing at full speed and ending up with corrupt files.

[@MrMovieMan941]

If you put same $25 ssd model that is in red mag red camera will recognize it as original and it will write at full speed!

[@danielmdax]

@@JuryDutySummons rate of writing doesn't compromise reliability and security as long as it is in the controllers specification. Also, that's why they use better NAND (MLC) since it does lower corruption errors

[@qwertzuiku3t87hv86f8]

@@danielmdax I don't know if RED cameras can increase compression on the fly, but if they can't you'll run into problems if the write speed drops below the rate at which new data is recorded. And a buffer can compensate slower writes only for a short period of time.

[@PaladinLostHour]

Now create your own Red Mini-Mag out of a million micro-SD cards.

[@mr.kenway4554]

*Kingston screaming in the distance*

[@TylerDoingWork]

you can buy 1tb sd cards. only for a small price of about 400$

[@kiplinght]

Raid floppies

[@TylerDoingWork]

@@kiplinght i can just imagine the sounds of all those drives in a raid array. That would be amazing.

[@nissan300zxmike]

Red Mini-Mag now with "Revolutionary" RGB ... lol

[@maulerrw]

13:30 That's bang on the money. It's cheaper for them to "generously" provide data recovery for a small percentage of cases than make every single unit actually commercial grade with redundant measures. That's assuming the data is recovered. And to be fair, if they don't want to do that that's fine. But don't demand insane prices for something probably less reliable than my samsung ssd I bought from any random store.

[@Nickknows00]

Jeez imagine paying $2000 for a 900gb ssd, buy arri or a c300, red is ripoff!

[@amitdavidov9142]

c200 instead of c300. I think the c300 can't shoot raw.

[@cyrkielnetwork]

To be onest LTT doesn't really need such expensive gear. Linus just like to spend on fancy stuff.

[@pawala7]

Just paid $90 for a 500GB Samsung 970 Evo nvme. At current day prices, "ripoff" is an understatement.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

That's because those cameras use industry standard recording media with industry standard connections and now adapters. A direct connection from the SD/CFast/SSD to the camera's internal circuitry leaving only three points of failure (the recording media, the media's contact pads, or the camera's contact pins)

[@BrieoRobino]

@@ZeldagigafanMatthew get out of here RED.

[@thegamemaster2000]

THEY THROTTLE OTHER SSDS? that's apple shit right there. That alone, pisses me off. Proprietary adapter? Scummy but that's what every one does. But recognizing and throttling perfectly good hardware just because it didn't come from red? apple fan boys can rejoice, yall got allies now.

[@autronic9306]

You are true minecraft guy.

[@thegamemaster2000]

@@autronic9306 yes. I enjoy minecraft. It's a great game. Why does that matter though?

[@autronic9306]

@@thegamemaster2000 i love it too, still doesn't matter.

[@JuryDutySummons]

@@autronic9306 Why did you even bring it up?

[@autronic9306]

@@JuryDutySummons people of culture should recognise each other.

[@limbicbrain3748]

This is arguably the best video Linus has done in the past year or so.

[@funtaril]

So you didn't see Linus vs Brandon Photo Challenge (it's up on Floatplane for a week already). This is pure gold. No, platinum.

[@AceNoguera]

lol you can see his true emotion come out. hes mad.

[@donmohave]

I agree!

[@jeremydemitchell841]

Its hard for me to say best because I love most all LTT videos, but yeah this video was particularly good for sure :)

[@iankillingsley6486]

I switched to BlackMagic years ago. But owning the Red gets you jobs.

[@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511]

Ian Killingsley Dude, BlackMagic is dope. My favorite thing they make is their software.....Davinci Resolve is a fantastic piece of software. I’d take it over Adobe Premier any day of the week, that and it’s only a flat payment unlike Adobe’s retarded-ass subscription bullshit. Even the free version of Resolve is packed with a ton of features.

[@nerdyneedsalife8315]

@@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 But like Ian said Red gets you job. I'm not in this profession but in any type of client-based job your equipment's image is more important than yours. It doesn't matter if Blackmagic stuff is better than Red because clients don't know nor care to learn. It's like how people buy a Mac even if they don't like Apple because you won't be taken seriously with an HP or Lenovo.

[@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511]

nerdyneedsalife That’s the sad and unfortunate truth.

[@nerdyneedsalife8315]

@@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 Again I'm not in the profession so I have no money to back my statements but the only way to change it is to continue using the device you use. Let your work speak for itself and if it's good, the clients won't care how you made it.

[@nerdyneedsalife8315]

@@vlc-cosplayer Did I mention HP?

[@holo6883]

At least Sony wasn't lying to us but just laughing down on us with their overpriced vita micro SD cards

[@stealthraider22]

Don't forget the mem stick duo pro or whatever it was called for the psp too 😢

[@WayStedYou]

And they were only double the price instead of 10x

[@Meultaine]

@@stealthraider22 that shit was like twice the price of regular SD card, I remember buying a 1gb one for more than 50€... God we didn't even complain about it X)) The Psp was such a cool product.

[@PascalBrax]

To be fair, the memory sticks were way faster than same era SD cards and way more reliable, of course they were damn expensive and the customers looked elsewhere.

[@kharbandaww]

I had a micro SD to mem stick pro duo adapter lmao

[@romeucapelasa]

when you see the video at 360p because its brand new

[@Ethos420]

Was wondering why this happened 😂

[@FatassRat69]

Its somehow better since it's more special

[@mnyoupass]

I walked downstairs just to watch it on my desktop...Guess I'll watch something else while it finishes processing...

[@lookeper2]

this has never happened to me before

[@TheFrozenSoldier]

Same!

[@SpLiC3]

Me: "wonders why everyone calls Linus clumsy" Linus: "drops ssd, slaps top off across the room" Me: Ahh!

[@munglerizer]

Clumsy! That was an expertly timed karate chop removal of the proprietary connector for dramatic effect!

[@XZhang-cf1oe]

Linus Drop Tips exactly

[@griffin8062]

He also dropped and broke a $10,000 cpu

[@tedjohansen1634]

Best vide you've made this far, Linus. 100% unbiased perfection.

[@RannonSi]

Or just biased against both parties! :D

[@ssuuppeerrbbooyy]

He calls jinnimag knockoff. How can doing the exact same thing as red result in a knockoff?

[@danielsjohnson]

After watching this whole video I'm reminded why I like your content. It's no BS and it's fair.

[@A.Froster]

Most of the times , but at least they admit when they screw up

[@Juppaware]

@@A.Froster +1

[@L7vanmatre]

Until he pokes one box in a different way than another box from a different company, then he's suddenly a paid shill, according to the KZbin comments.

[@Snowmirage6453]

Linus our hero. But seriously great video clear concise and backed by science! Not hand waving!

[@zipykido]

Every time he waved his hand he knocked something over...

[@CPowell133]

12:36 - Redundancy, what a thought and can't agree more. I used to work in the pro AV space and could never understand why Red never used dual memory recording at this price point. Hell even black magic cameras offer dual support and you can get those around $1-2K starting. I use pro level cameras all the time for sports and write to both cards at the same time to reduce chances of corrupt media or failure.

[@CPowell133]

@@Folsomdsf2 Oh I agree. I am not complaining about the price nor what Red is based on. I just have the same expectation that Linus is talking about when it comes to "Pro" level gear. It should have redundancies built in. Relying on the manufacture for data recovery should be a last ditch option not a common practice.

[@bluephreakr]

@@CPowell133 Because RED is the Apple of cinema?

[@SianaGearz]

There is a builtin level of redundancy. It's not just overprovisioning, in fact they only need as much overprovisioning as it takes to smoothly write the FAT because they erase the card completely before writes anyway. You notice there's 8 NAND chips of storage, but there's only 7 chips worth of accessible capacity, so one chip stores redundant data with the others - on top of 7% overprovisioning. When this is not done, there is ZERO chance of data recovery if a chip fails, so at least they built in enough redundancy to make data recovery possible in almost all cases. Furthermore such drives are generally smart enough to detect NAND chip failure and make the disk non-writeable but trivially readable. Then again if they were less scammy, they could have simply given the camera body two 2.5" SSD drive bays, it's not a small camera and wouldn't have been a significant impediment to usability, you just put in two identical cheap drives, and it would write to them both, so Linus absolutely has a point there! Sata connectors are designed for such hotswap use anyway and their proprietary connector is arguably not an improvement.

[@delydn]

Even "prosumer" DSLR's ship with dual SD card slots now

[@Rillean]

Can we get a comparison between RED and Blackmagic Design?

[@CLIFFLIX]

Wow! Savage take down of RED. This was BOUND to happen. I mean RED made itself completely vulnerable to this. Jared Lands exaggerations in public only multiplied the problem 1,000%. The cover up is worse than the crime. If he had just said "yes, this IS standard consumer media that we have inflated the price on...it helps keep our company afloat" I would have respected him far more for it.

[@joenicklo8174]

This wont change anything. Big studios and rental houses will still buy RED camera packages.The medium sized studios will still rent from the rental houses. If anything this will detract small studios and solo filmmakers from purchasing a RED package. I know it's made me think twice. I went from being 100% on investing in a RED next year to now wanting to look at alternatives (Ursa, FS7, EVA1, C200...)

[@_Atzin]

@@joenicklo8174 This might fall under some false advertising laws in Australia which could end up having larger consequences.

[@erelando]

@@joenicklo8174 I suggest you to look for second hand item if you're going the RED route. But heck, there's plenty of great cinema cameras out there now.. Even the Kinefinity MAVO LF is looking so good, with its full frame aesthetic glory. Or maybe the ZCam which also full frame and 8K.

[@Emilioh888]

Not very savage honestly. He seems very okay with RED charging $2500 for a $100 SSD and that is very wrong. It was expected anyway since he's sponsored by RED. Marques brownlee and Morrisson too.

[@SportbikerNZ]

@@Emilioh888 How do you know Linus is sponsored by Red? You wouldn't just make lies up would you?

[@pritishpatil7659]

Apple: *quietly sneaks out with 1000$ apple stand*

[@kojie333]

At least the stand is optional and 3rd party vesa compatible ones can be bought. These red drives are a necessity and advertised as having Millions of R&D

[@evancrazyerror]

At least you can use any monitor with a Mac Pro. You spend how much on a red camera and then how much to use it? Don’t forget the batteries that it doesn’t come with, the display they forgot to include, or the fucking $2500 1TB SSD. EVEN FUCKING APPLE gave you a bigger ssd for that in their MacBooks before they updated pricing. An SSD, mind you, with Fat32, are you shitting me? exFAT has been supported on systems for more than 10 years and it’s pretty inexcusable to sell a professional product today with 25 year old technology at its core for over $2000.

[@Radi0he4d1]

There's no reason to shit on the $999 stand unless the magnetic support system will drop the XDR display.

[@orionarclight]

At least the stand is over engineered to be slim and minimal without actually giving any benefits.... Classic apple *cough* butterfly keyboard *cough*

[@Vaylon.]

@@Radi0he4d1 There is a reason. You can get the same quality from a product not even a quarter of the price.

[@fetzie23]

In my mind, it isn't professional/enterprise-level hardware if it doesn't include even a basic level of redundancy for your data. Even 1000 dollar DSLRs have two memory card slots that allow you to write the files to two SD cards (my D500, for example, is set to write RAW to the xqd slot and jpeg to the sd slot).

[@christophervanzetta]

It should be called high priced consumer level hardware.

[@AlexMint]

@@christophervanzetta yeah ffs even Black Magic's sub-$2000 offerings have redundancy(granted it's sd and cfast but it's still better than nothing).

[@thysonsacclaim]

Well they can't allow that because who the hell could afford to have double the media to write to. I mean good gosh.... $1400....

[@fetzie23]

@@thysonsacclaim If you're spending 40+ grand on one of these over-priced pro-sumer cameras, you can afford another 1400 for a second storage disk thing :)

[@thysonsacclaim]

I figured that... it was mostly a joke. And it's just really ridiculous pricing for low end consumer tech. For $1400 you could have redundant drives in the same enclosure--probably in the same form factor.

[@jeremymdgt]

Lotta respect to the way this video was framed. Good job.

[@siyangqiu1]

So JinniMag just published a video revealing Red's DRM scheme: putting the device serial number into a SMART field and checking for it...

[@NetRolller3D]

That's SMART. They get to have DRM without modifying the firmware at all, and then they have the balls to call it a "custom proprietary firmware".

[@ThatPianoNoob]

​@@NetRolller3D So theyre making damn sure their users are unable to use other hardware, calling that their magic firmware and then letting those same users pay an insane markup for the very thing that is made to fuck them in the ass. Thats such a geniously scummy way of making money. Im always confused at how RED actually spends money.. like are their cameras so fucking good they require an amount of RND that wouldnt make sense to put into the markup of just the base?

[@Dimondminer11]

wow

[@JoeysGames]

New video: Getting Anthony to break the code and put in a larger ssd Edit: Disclaimer: I do not code, I don't know how easy it would be to trick the firmware into thinking it's an SSD that was meant to be there, which was the whole "break the code" part. (and an additional disclaimer... I may have used wrong wording.) Thank you for your time! (Also holy f*ck the amount of likes)

[@not3oF]

Yes!!!

[@JoseRobertoS93]

Plus enable support for faster partition format

[@SiegeOfAtlas]

Anthony can get anything done!

[@JoeysGames]

@@JoseRobertoS93 That was the idea :D

[@NizzyTV]

youn just need a longer M-sata to sata adapter ytou can plug into the camera, though the firmware is the issue here.

[@brandishwar]

For real-time redundancy, they'd just need to have a second slot for a second card. Kind of like what ... every professional (and some prosumer) DSLR features today.

[@monkeyplayer1]

brandishwar yeah Sony’s new mirrorless cameras around 2,000-3,000 USD have double sd card slots. Not sure if it’s for redundancy but I don’t really see another reason because popping out one and putting one in takes 2 seconds. Someone confirm if I’m right about the redundancy please :)

[@ripper253]

What makes it even funnier is that then they'd sell almost double the amount of amusingly marked up parts, you'd think they'd of gone for that Also, adding an extra reader as an "optional" part on the camera for another $9k if I remember LTT's invoice for the thing

[@brandishwar]

@@monkeyplayer1 It can be configured either for overflow or redundancy. Most pros, though, will use it for redundancy since large memory cards are dirt cheap anymore.

[@jm1jonas]

In the cinema camera world, not many if any have dual slots, even the Alexa SXT and the Alexa mini (THE cinema cameras, used in almost every movie for the last 6-7 years) only have one slot of either Cfast or SxS cards.

[@JayJapanB]

So that's now $4700 on two Redmags....?

[@johnbelli9390]

For the price of the cameras, they couldn't license exFAT? Or even NTFS and license a driver from Paragon for Mac/Linux?

[@techmage89]

Actually for video recording, UDF would probably be better (since it's log-structured, which is most efficient for sequential writes).

[@muhwyndham]

Or maybe as cheap as raid 1 controller with two ssd in 1 mag for redundancy?

[@danfuerthgillis4483]

@@muhwyndham LMFAO even the ancient P2 cards had that already but using raid 0 for speed. That was a massive scandal back then when people started to open them up and found 4 SDHC basically common off the shelf retail cards in a raid controller. This was a big scandal and Panasonic went into obscurity after this scam as they could not sell their 200$ P2 card as people demanded an explanation.

[@cameredith0]

Do more videos, uncovering scammy or misleading products

[@marcusphoenixish]

You do realise he would have to make and release 5 video's per week for 10 years. There's so many bullshit misleading products out there lol

[@TheJunky228]

@@marcusphoenixish he doesn't have to cover everything, so what i see is a limitless video idea supply

[@marcusphoenixish]

@@TheJunky228 It is a good KZbin channel idea. Definitely plenty of work out of it.

[@teme007]

There are many apple videos around

[@hauntsichord]

You know the real reason awesome folks like Linus don't do this? Lawsuits. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Red filed a lawsuit against LTT for this video. Scammers spam frivolous lawsuits.

[@Doktoreq]

I will laugh so hard, when somebody actually dumps firmware form Red SSD and normal counterpart, run binary file comparison and the only difference will be added plain text string "Made by Red" at the end of Reds one :D

[@jwo7777777]

Lexmark

[@TheFPSPower]

@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx that doesn't mean anything, it could be a hidden code somewhere on the firmware and crystal disk info would never know

[@blackopsrocks]

Its probably just a plain text identifier, or a single bit of hex that has been modified. The solution to raid the interface could be done without much bugaboo though, there are raid/sata active adapters for enclosures already so a modified enclosure to house the dumb red adapter to an active sata adapter and two ssds would be something even a home gamer could cobble together.

[@Zarrex]

Jesus, as if spending $40k on a camera wasn't enough money, now you get to buy a $150 SSD with an adapter for $2,350 :)

[@matty9460]

@@ricktheraptor2102 because the camera is a paper weight otherwise?

[@guyincognito9410]

“You reap what you sow” “magic black box marketing” these are the best, most intelligent burns I’ve heard in a while. Great video

[@stavsrefis3966]

A very fair balanced and unbiased overview amazing job linus would love more coverage like this

[@foltik7774]

4:25 Every single one of those mags have "Made in USA" markings on them, below the CE marking.

[@Nerdthagoras]

Holy shit you're right!

[@KeanM]

I can't believe they couldn't see that themselves

[@Manadono]

"China Export" 🤠

[@coffeedrops_Franck]

Some people might think it stands for CUALITY EXCELLENT

[@NULUSIOS]

how can they not see it?

[@epicwaffles449]

I love it when Linus calls out big companies on their B.S.

[@peaceandwealthseeker4504]

The few that dont sponsor

[@Baigle1]

doesn't happen enough. @Truth Seeker might be right. Red is like Apple in some ways.

[@gdrriley420]

Condor edited their video attacking Linus making jokes about buying reds. They pulled all mention of media after this came out

[@leonboettger]

RED Employee: How much more do you want to charge for our shitty rebranded SSDs? RED CEO: YES

[@antonywhatever572]

Magic ;)

[@Arhentir]

Hey smokers Druaga1 here. Today we're gonna install Windows 98 on a RED mini mag msata SSD.

[@johnnieburkhalter5265]

Erdem K. I would love to see him try!!

[@patbranch6878]

@@johnnieburkhalter5265 Hah, of course this could be done.

[@Vlad-1986]

While doing that, I'll run into 10000 unexpected problems adding to the expected ones

[@abhimaanmayadam5713]

never gonna happen. he buys cheap ssds. This aint it

[@abadenoughdude300]

@@abhimaanmayadam5713 Well, the ssd in this thing is probably pretty cheap.

[@RedPN]

6:19 Couldn't this also be understood as RED intentionally put code into their camera body and/or firmware to block 3rd party SSD's? Which to me is a scummy thing to do just to force people to buy your massively marked up SSD's. EDIT: commented before fully watching and Linus covered this point saying it's pretty much SSD DRM. Kinda shitty from RED.

[@supernewbie694]

but... don't reveal your company business tactics like that!

[@whagwannmagazine]

kinda shitty !!?? 2400us for a ssd?

[@ariansanders5140]

Same as the Intel compiler back in the day that would slow to a crawl unless you were using a Intel cpu (or tricked it into thinking you were running an Intel cpu) pretty much crippling AMD when benchmarked. Shady ass business practices.

[@CompiledGabriel]

shitty? yes. Ilegal? nope

[@Flamingpaperbag]

Its the Apple tactic

[@thomasburke7995]

Dont think you truly understand what you have done. . Most consumers do not comperhend just how manipulative manufacturers are and consumers are really just concerned with cost.. your explanation of deceitful tactics by the manufacturers is spot on. And this goes well beyond tech..