RED Tech in Nikon Z9 II?!

[@Carlos-tm6zk]

Hi! These are great news, I'm really eager to see what comes out of this partnership. Even if I'm a Canon shooter, this will push the industry further. Another thing that I think it'll help is to release Nikon's sensors from Sony, meaning that Nikon will be able to make their own high end sensors in RED. This will definitely shake the camera world. Well done Nikon! All best

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Agreed. This excites me too. The better the competition the better off everyone is.

[@felipeignacioortegaarriaga1121]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Hello as I can send you another patent I have of a global shutter from Nikon

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

Will Nikon change the lens mount on RED cameras?

[@saibhargavamanda1062]

U who makes RED sensors? Designers decelopers need not be manufactures who resourse

[@scotthime6928]

I've learned things about these patent applications in the camera world from watching your videos, especially the fact that the timing of publishing them really is strategic. This one looks like a shot across the bow by Nikon. Like they are saying that they aren't afraid to tip their hand because they aren't worried about the other manufacturers copying them. The moment I saw the announcement that Nikon bought RED I thought that it signalled that they were about to make a move to regain their old status in the industry. It may have started out as just a patent infringement settlement, but I think the result will be some serious competitive advantage for Nikon. Global shutter really just has two advantages - no rolling shutter distortion and high speed flash sync. Truthfully, the high speed flash sync isn't a huge factor for the vast majority of photographers, so this is mostly about the rolling shutter distortion. As long as they can align pixels from the top of the frame to the bottom of the frame, I don't really care how they do it. And the readout on most of the new sensors is already so fast that they have all but eliminated rolling shutter distortion. Make it just a little bit better, and it becomes a non-factor. What interests me the most about this discussion in your video is the possibility of 17 stops of dynamic range (without resorting to some sort of scammy measuring method). The amount of rolling shutter distortion in the R5II was slight enough. But if it could have delivered 17 stops of dynamic range as well? Well, you used the term "game-changer" in your video, and I don't have any better words than that. I've been eyeballing an X2D lately, and even it "only" has 15 stops of dynamic range. If Nikon leverages RED technology and gives us 17 stops of dynamic range and near-zero rolling shutter distortion? That's worthy of a platform change. I'm glad you're out there sifting through these patent filings so I don't have to.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

This patent application has woken me up to what Nikon might be cooking ;) I'm going to spend more time on them :) While we may not know for sure if, how and when the patent could be applied, it is far from conjecture as it comes directly from Nikon. 17 stops is good. The R5 II with CL2 gives 16 stops, or 13.5 actual using industry standards - it makes huge difference. I'll take a deeper look through the patent later this evening ;)

[@ineedstoknow]

Someone needs to acquire Arri and do this!! Because Nikon is probably headed to Number 1. It's been a long time since I've heard the words "ooo i can't wait for that new Nikon camera."

[@GizmoMaxx]

Arri its on an league on it's own mate !

[@stephen7627]

canon and sony will eventually follow ( MAYBE without acquiring anything ) :D , i mean is nikon so desperate that they buy red tech ? nikon has great image quality imo , the only lack they had is in af performance . .but they already getting there . . .

[@JojoJoget]

Not really, not in the bigger picture anyway, Sony and Arri have cinema locked down, Sony has its own movie department.

[@bigboi36]

​@stephen7627 Nikon also lost ground imo when they stopped making their own sensors . D3-D5 the Dynamic range was really good for flagship and set the standard. We were low light kings. Time for Nikon to return to the throne 🎉 . Viva LA Nikon

[@angryrabbitproductions1690]

Fun fact: Nikon’s market cap is around $3B, Panasonic: $20B, Fujifilm: $30B and Canon $38B… food for thought.

[@WernerBirdNature]

Hi Simon, alrighty .. after the first partially stacked sensor we may expect a partially global sensor. I just can't wrap my head around how they'll decide which photodiodes require higher dynamic range and which ones cannot afford a rolling shutter .. imagine a fast flapping bird: you want the global sensor diodes on the bird, and the background can enjoy rolling shutter for dynamic range, right ? But when you're panning to follow that bird, you want to opposite to avoid rolling distortion in the trees or poles in the background .. but how will the camera tell the bird to stop flapping its wing for a while ??? I could see a benefit in a sensor working as a whole in either a global shutter or rolling shutter mode .. and that may well end up in the Z9ii. But reading half the pixels one way and the other different smells like opening a can of worms ..

[@guibospe]

Canon gave the answer when bring a new AI microship in R5 Mark II. Because the new one read before the caption, and could expouse it better. That's it, a new way to do the same result. I think.

[@JET-Photo]

If you do the pixel density math, Nikons 20mp APSC sensor is about the same as the 45mp FF sensor. With that being said, what if it’s a 45mp rolling shutter with max DR in one mode, then a 20mp global shutter in another mode. Even at APSC size it would be better than a standard APSC sensor. Maybe that’s why Nikon hasn’t released a mirrorless D500 yet. This would be ground breaking.

[@thetruckingphotographer148]

I await the Nikon Z9ii with anticipation, why would Nikon buy red and not use their technology, it's a no-brainer. What a business decision to buy Red, I bet Canon are kicking themselves

[@77dris]

Why? Canon already has a cinema line.

[@thetruckingphotographer148]

@@77dris that's not a patch on Red

[@JojoJoget]

If you’re using cine glass it wouldn’t matter

[@dafyddthomas7299]

@@thetruckingphotographer148 It's improving all the time, never underestimate Canon, unfortunately Nikon did way back

[@LOLA6ifyable]

All i need from Z9 II is better Af , better view finder , That is it! Red tech and dual sensor mode would be awesome! All those are instant buy for me to upgrade

[@dafyddthomas7299]

This would make sense - follow the evolutionary steps that Canon did with their MK 2 into Z9 MK 2 (same MP - 45.7 is good trade off) and flow the tech down from Mk Z9 into a Z8 MK 2 afterwards.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's all about getting a higher hit rate in the Z9 II. Anything that can help them improve that is a win.

[@meatbyproducts]

Better AF?

[@alexl150]

I've wondered if its possible for them to have variable pixel density on a sensor, for DX mode, so if you shoot in DX mode it has more pixels in the part of the sensor that DX mode would use, but in FX mode it has its normal set of pixels.. A sensor that can act as both global and rolling at the same time kinda gives me hope for that.

[@urosjovanovic3142]

That sounds exiting indeed! I think it would be a great idea to use that sensor technology and make a mirrorless successor to the D500! Exciting times!

[@num1hendrickfan]

That would entail Nikon supporting APSC of which they've essentially abandoned. If you want APSC support you need to go with Canon, Sony, and OM systems.

[@dafyddthomas7299]

Spot on.

[@urosjovanovic3142]

@@num1hendrickfan When you say they "essentially abandoned", what do you mean exactly? They are not as active as with their full frame line, but they are bound to release an APSC camera in the next couple of weeks/months, while Z50 is selling like crazy even to this day. Also, Sigma started making APSC lenses for Nikon Z mount, do you think they are doing it because Nikon abandoned APSC? And it's not only Sigma... P. S. I didn't know that OM system made APSC cameras...

[@num1hendrickfan]

@@urosjovanovic3142 I say that because they have not invested in APSC since 2022 and have not provided features such IBIS on any of their APSC offerings. They also have not produced nor seem interested in producing an APSC competitor to the Canon R7 and Sony's A6700. Currently it appears Sony might take the lead in the APS-C space but we'll see what Canon offers in 2025.

[@num1hendrickfan]

@@urosjovanovic3142 OM makes Micro four thirds, which is not too dissimilar to APS-C offerings. It's actually a smaller sensor size.

[@jklbd4815]

Nikon started working on this sensor back in 2022 or before but at that time it didn't describe anything about dual type sensor just described only the global shutter type and it's benefits

[@slot9]

This is a fascinating concept! Loved the gangnam style reference.

[@rodneyturnerphoto]

I think they can do it. This may be beneficial for Z mount cinema lenses with autofocus and future cameras.

[@angryrabbitproductions1690]

I wouldn’t get too excited. Red’s sensors are designed for Cinema cameras; Due to the massive cooling requirements and 10x greater power draw they are not suitable for use in a mirrorless body. Sony’s Global shutter consumes 1/10th the power… It can operate within a passively cooled weather sealed body. And amazing, matches the Red V-Raptor-X in exposure latitude. It’s far superior to anything Red (who btw, does not make sensors) could hope to dream up. FYI: I’m a long time Red shooter.

[@northofbrandon]

Interesting idea... I can see this being a somewhat natural evolution of the Dual Stream technology and semi-stacked tech we've seen in current Nikons. Def. thinking outside the box.

[@aCuria.]

11:30 "Double the resolution is double the amount of information" Yes, but the example is incorrect. To double the resolution from the A9iii you would need 12000x8000 or 96MP.

[@jessejayphotography]

I think the bigger news here is that Nikon could offer sensor technology for license to other camera manufacturers finally freeing themselves from Sony Semi-conductor and getting a price of the pie with every camera sold using their sensor.

[@quiztasiarocks]

Problem with global Shutters are that it lowers dynamic range.

[@christophercarlimages9003]

Let Nikon build a brand new video centric mirrorless camera with Red tech. I don't want them to jam more video into their stills flagship. The poor dynamic range of a global shutter especially in high resolution sensors is a big trade off. Likely Nikon would go the Canon route of yet more 24 mpx cameras to introduce that. Z8/Z9 don't need to go backwards in resolution.

[@stephanes.]

So do you think Nikon will bring R3D to their mirrorless?

[@scottrogers2831]

The plot thickens! 😮

[@jessejayphotography]

Red’s technique does have artifacts. I wonder what Omn/semi is doing for ARRI.

[@3dtrip870]

You are using the terminology wrong: rolling shutter is not “motion blur”. A global shutter reads out the frame at the shutter speed set: if you are acquiring footage at 24 fps, and using 180 degree shutter then your shutter speed is 1/48 of a second. You will have more motion blur in faster moving objects, but the “jello effect” of traditional sensor read out will be gone, as the whole “global sensor” is being read the whole 1/48 of a second that it captures the image from. Motion blur is actually important in filming, and video looks like bad GoPro footage when the shutter speed isn’t set at the right speed (that is why ND filters are used to get the shutter speed down).

[@g-dotsolo]

i believe with this news we can say the future of red is written, I honestly believe what Nikon bought was red loyalty and the red r3d tech other than that they didn't care about red at all and it will be absorbed into Nikon maybe Nikon digital cinema or something

[@frvar6989]

Key point number 5 : "this is a whole ARE ??? (new ?) sensor design". Otherwise, great video, thank you for the information.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Ooops... autocorrect! Doh!

[@johnclay7644]

informative news thanks Simon

[@tebnuhotep217]

Great Video 📰🗞️💯

[@user-zp6jc9zu4w]

Having acquired Red Komodo, it's remote that Nikon would try to merge Red Technology into existing Nikon product line... Nikon bought Red because Nikon did not have expertise in videography capabilities... Hence it's obvious that Nikon will keep Red seperate and only the Z mount and Z lenses on the Red cameras will be seen. Also whatever Videography related codecs of Red exist these will be scaled down and we might find these trickling into the Z series Nikon bodies... More than this don't expect any drastic changes in this arena....

[@hzubovi1]

Exciting times :)

[@-eduarth_ab6693]

Necesitan crear una nueva curva logarítmica

[@gaarax0x]

Ahh Red tech. cinema cam finally for my slow motion, bloomy, vintage, mundane, lack of story videos. yesss

[@YouTube_can_ESAD]

Bless your heart…

[@roblee2968]

CCD/ CMOS hybrid Sensor😮

[@dafyddthomas7299]

Good move by Nikon need to push them further into the competition war between the big 2 Sony and Canon. Nikon improving in the FF world ( excellent FF cameras from ZF - Z9) but APS world is stagnant and out of date, hopefully we see a Z50 MK 2, maybe a top tier APS ML like Z70/Z90 to go against Canon's excellent R7 and Sony A6700 + Fuji excellent APS system. Come on Nikon Red pull your socks up and get the new cameras and lens pushed through into existence

[@vimboguillermo2801]

This tech will be available at Nikon Z-X

[@howardtownsend2574]

I'm hoping you are misinterpreting this. I'm hoping the entire global shutter can be read and the image combined with the rolling shutter to give us nikons version of DGO. So similar to Alexa technology and Reds in their raptor X

[@adminggroup5737]

Canon said a lot of bad words to the GS, like how Nokia commented on iphone in 2007. Don’t say the things not good just because you can not (to commercialize it). No, 24MP rolling shutter camera is not a flagship, even not close.

[@joebass5]

Nikon doesn’t use “mark” in there nomenclature

[@NikCan66]

Must be something about to break and maybe veer off intp Cinema 🎥 area

[@saibhargavamanda1062]

Nikon is making good hybrid cameras but not hybrid lenses. Nikon need to make 1.4 S line primes like sony. which are a optimum balance of light weight, high quality, charecteristic, fast n affordable . Thats exactly what hybrid shooters want. Making 1.4 non S line is a big mistake. I believe being a hybrid n diverse shooter is the future.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Nikon has a good roadmap. Expect more great things form them.

[@saibhargavamanda1062]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Road Map? They havent updated it

[@MadawaskaObservatory]

why the hell do you a rolling shutter if you have a global shutter.

[@epice10]

Or maybe, this new sensor will be on Red cameras also and with autofocus...

[@evertvdb000]

So strange marriage .... Red has Canon mounts, what will happen to that?

[@jeanjia0910]

我已經針對Z9二代進行預購了...期待Z9二代...

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Might be a wait still ;)

[@jeanjia0910]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker 是的，沒錯，但已有一些商家知道有Z9二代，願意接受預訂呢!

[@JojoJoget]

RED doesn’t make their own sensors

[@howardtownsend2574]

They design their sensors and then get them manufactured. Like how apple does their chips

[@jessejayphotography]

@@howardtownsend2574it’s more complicated than this. RED doesn’t have a lot of employees. They delivery target specs for a sensor and a certain unnamed CMOS company delivers.

[@felipeignacioortegaarriaga1121]

Hello Simon how as I can send you another patent I have of a global shutter from Nikon?